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Why Aemond ‘Accidentally’ Killing Luke MAKES SENSE! 

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So some people were angry that Aemond ‘accidentally’ killed Luke because in the book Aemond does it on purpose. But I think we have to remember that: dragons aren’t slaves, GRRM helped write this last episode, and dragon bonds can be complicated. I start by reading what Ryan Condal says about this topic in Variety and then I stat the ranting lol Let's talk about it!
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@yseson_
@yseson_ Год назад
In the beginning of the episode you can see how Rheanyra’s & Daemons connection to their dragons are not logical but emotional (her still birth and Daemon’s loyalty test the dragons reacted to their emotional states) It would so seem that A dragon rider should not worry about ruling the dragon but ruling themselves Aemond’s rage and Lucaerys fear is what the dragons reacted to and thus the tragic outcome.
@tobekai
@tobekai Год назад
Great insight!
@MissGrandeko
@MissGrandeko Год назад
You perfectly captured what I was thinking!
@tracys169
@tracys169 Год назад
"A dragon rider should not worry about ruling the dragon but ruling themselves"
@Blcastillo74
@Blcastillo74 Год назад
I like your reply. It’s so spot on
@grose2272
@grose2272 Год назад
Exactly!
@livechilllife
@livechilllife Год назад
I really liked this because it added so much nuanced complexity. We see that each dragon has its own agency these are wild animals and it adds more complexity to Aemond .
@pumpkinspice1478
@pumpkinspice1478 Год назад
Yup. And that’s why the script differs from the book.
@zanith56
@zanith56 Год назад
I like that they are on this theme as well in the series - that small, nuanced mistakes are more likely culprits to tragedy and confusion, and when under tension often leads to a cascade of tragedy.
@sydnitheromantictaylor112
@sydnitheromantictaylor112 Год назад
Viserys did tell Rhaeneyra that believing they control the dragons is an illusion. Those dragons are likely acting according to their riders emotions since they're bonded to their riders.
@Porcelynnn
@Porcelynnn Год назад
Yes. In GRRM’s world, there is so much foreshadowing. Looking back, this shouldn’t be too much of a shock… (but still is ofc) dragons are animals, they’re not tamed at all.
@seantrajohnson6763
@seantrajohnson6763 Год назад
Great point 👍🏿👍🏿
@alexandergross7497
@alexandergross7497 Год назад
Exactly, Arrax did what Luke wanted to do which was fight back. The whole scene is almost a perfect metaphor for their relationship. Aemond is bigger, a better warrior, much as vhagar is huge and battle tested. When Luke took out Aemonds eye he was lashing out in self defense, much as Arrax did with his fire, as Luke probably wanted to do deep down. And Vhagar got revenge for the slight, as Aemond probably wanted but knew was wrong
@Porcelynnn
@Porcelynnn Год назад
@@alexandergross7497 I disagree-Luke was so scared and did not want to fight. Arrax sensed his fear and animals fight when they’re scared. Animals can’t speak-they act out and are physical with their responses. It’s a combination of things that led to his death. The dance was started by dragons and it’ll be the humans who end the era of dragons.
@mpicc4808
@mpicc4808 Год назад
I think she's smart and knows this and didn't call for war straight away. This is why Daemon's reaction to the prophecy was like, "dreams don't make us Kings, dragons do." He was pissed at her and his brother. However, her restraint is dissolved now that Luke is dead. Curiously, I wonder how Corlys Velaryon would feel, now that there is zero heirs to Driftmark. He has his granddaughters but they have they're Targaryens 🤷🏽‍♀️
@saberserpent1134
@saberserpent1134 Год назад
I'm not the first to say it, but the minute he saw Vhagar at Storm's End, him and Arrax should've left immediately. I think Rhaenyra made a mistake regarding which journey would be more dangerous. She said herself the Vale was a slam dunk. And aren't the Storm Lord's generally considered fickle and unpredictable? Even the geography, the weather, "Shipbreaker's Bay"... the shorter journey was the riskier one. I don't think Aemond will be able to do anything but claim the kill, probably in stylish fashion. How he deals with it privately may be more interesting to see.
@justinehelene4831
@justinehelene4831 Год назад
Yes, there was no point in being there if aemond and vaegar were there first. Poor boy didn't know how to think for himself in this situation because he wanted to be brave and do his duty. But yeah would have been better to treat with storms ends another time or send a bigger envoy party
@dissaponteddunsky7654
@dissaponteddunsky7654 Год назад
The people aren't really described as fickle more headstrong and prideful and rhyneara wanted because they produce some of the best warriors because of the constant skirmishes with Dorne. The better choice would have been to send Rhaenys Targaryen as she is that lord baratheon cousin.
@Mourtzouphlos240
@Mourtzouphlos240 Год назад
He could have completed his mission by taking the message to Storms End and then, once he saw Vhaegar was gone and the weather was turning, headed back inside the castle for a day of guest right. The fighting hadn’t formally started and in the worst case he would become a highborn hostage of the Greens. But he would be alive.
@Blcastillo74
@Blcastillo74 Год назад
He does claim it which is probably why it was probably seen as he wanted to do it. I hope they show Alicent and Ser Otto’s reaction. They are not going to be happy. He just set the greens back.
@Blcastillo74
@Blcastillo74 Год назад
@@dissaponteddunsky7654 yes Rhaenys would have been perfect.
@celinerolle
@celinerolle Год назад
why would he think this old ass nuclear weapon was gonna listen to his command after arrax who attacked her(arrax is very young and has only bonded with luke, who is also young. with them both being anxious and afraid of vhagar and the tauntings of aemond, arrax rightfully tred to defend himself and his rider) like vhagar is old as shit and is a literally war machine not a toy and now he has to go back to kingslanding with his tail tucked between his legs cause of his own senselessness
@stephaniemomma
@stephaniemomma Год назад
Thank you! So many people are giving Aemond a free pass because it’s an “accident.” No it’s not. It’s a foreseeable consequence of reckless actions.
@t-rexcellentreviews1663
@t-rexcellentreviews1663 Год назад
Exactly! Thank you, I mean, I respect the show writers decisions, but I really don’t like this change, this like saying someone in a truck chasing after someone on bike can’t reasonable see the potential outcome.
@stephaniemomma
@stephaniemomma Год назад
@@t-rexcellentreviews1663 honestly, I don’t mind the writers decision so much as the publics reaction. I get Aemond didn’t intend for this to happen, and your point about the the truck and bike is excellent! Pulling it further into modern context, this was manslaughter, at minimum. Possibly one of the murder charges depending on jurisdiction and district and stuff.
@t-rexcellentreviews1663
@t-rexcellentreviews1663 Год назад
@@stephaniemomma thank you and agreed, I feel like a bicyclist and a truck comparison makes the most sense considering the sheer size difference of their mounts in this scene, Aemond constantly points out that he has the largest and most powerful dragon to anyone and everyone around him, and yet he still insists on chasing after someone on a dragon one-tenth of Vhagar’s size into a dark rain storm, what exactly did he expect to happen here, that after enough harassment, Luke would just eventually land and allow Aemond to carve out one of his eyes? Their was intent to harm here right from the beginning, the only difference was it turned out to be more harm than Aemond imagined, which is why I think manslaughter is to favourable, I personally define murder at its minimum as recklessly engaging in conduct that presents a clear and obvious danger to human life without apparent regard for the consequences and that which ultimately results in the loss of said human life, which is exactly what Aemond did, he told Vhagar to chase after them, this is murder 2, even at the end, Aemond didn’t actually regret killing Luke or his Dragon, he regretted what his actions will mean for the rest of his family now that he has started the war.
@christianmcdicken8193
@christianmcdicken8193 Год назад
I think Aemond thought he had complete control of Vhagar until this point. I think that's why he looks so afraid when he looks down at Vhagar, it's the first time he realizes that he doesn't really control her.
@bartolomeestebanmurillo4459
Vhagar is old and battle hardened, she bows to no ONE!
@Porcelynnn
@Porcelynnn Год назад
I loved the change. It was a tragic accident. No one will know that though. Viserys said truth doesn’t matter, perception does. Aemond will own up to it and will only have himself as someone who knows the truth of the accident. I cried so much. Great show, brilliant actors!
@naefaust581
@naefaust581 Год назад
Vaghar “Nana”, might be a little senile she’s been around for a looooong time
@tracys169
@tracys169 Год назад
"Whoa, the Dornish can actually fire back now?!" (Vhagar, maybe)
@tasha5605
@tasha5605 Год назад
There are plenty of examples of disobedient dragons in the books, people are being very silly. Especially super old dragons (like Balerion) and young dragons new to having a rider (like Drogon). Like you said, a dragon is not a slave! Of course the MAESTERS who wrote Fire and Blood wouldn't know about the exact dynamics of the human/dragon bond. Targaryens have to maintain an image of control and power, nobody besides the dragonkeepers are gonna know that.
@KabbalahSherry
@KabbalahSherry Год назад
Nah, Vaghar is a veteran of over 100 battles, and was the original dragon of Visenya Targaryan. She has NEVER been known to disobey a rider in her life. Not in the source material. 😒🐉 This show is doing some of these characters AND this dragon, pretty dirty.
@tasha5605
@tasha5605 Год назад
@@KabbalahSherry according to who though?? The maesters? Again, why would any Targaryen ever tell a maester when their dragon is acting up? They need to maintain an appearance of Targaryen exceptionalism at all times, it's the only thing that legally allows them to marry within the family. Balerion was also one of the original dragons and a veteran of many many battles, but he still flew off with Aerea to the ruins of Old Valyria and refused to bring her back for a year. His only rider after that, Viscerys, was obviously scared shitless of riding him because he never did so a second time. In the show, he makes a point to tell Rhaenyra that Targaryens do not have full control of the dragons. Older animals tend to be more stubborn, it absolutely makes sense. The *only* dragon ride we've actually seen firsthand in the books is Drogon, who doesn't listen to a damn word Dany says. This choice doesn't contradict the lore from the source material, it contradicts your personal theory about how a dragon bond works. Again, a dragon is not a slave.
@KabbalahSherry
@KabbalahSherry Год назад
@@tasha5605 - But Dany has never properly trained her dragons! 😄 She's a terrible example to use, when comparing to the Targs that are ruling Westeros right now. She didn't even know they liked cooked meat, and so she kept trying to feed their meat to them raw. She didn't know ANYTHING about these dragons! lol She never used a saddle, she never trained them, they barely knew any Valaryan commands, like... nooo... it's just NOT the same. Not when we are comparing a young dragon like Drogon, to a dragon like Vaghar, who is beyond well trained, the veteran of over 100 battles, and who knows what to do! This is the Dragon that Visenya Targaryan once rode when conquering the 7 Kingdoms! And Aemon has been riding her for 6yrs now. I'm sorry but this show can't fool me into buying into this nonsense. Face it: the writers just didn't want the audience seeing what a psychopath Aemon is. They didn't want to show him ruthlessly killing that young boy. But he does. And them he goes home & BRAGS about it. Aemon is a psychopath I'm telling you, but these writers have obviously decided to make Team Green
@tasha5605
@tasha5605 Год назад
@@KabbalahSherry I feel like maybe you misunderstood my comment? I was not comparing Vhagar to Drogon. I was comparing Balerion to Vhagar. Both are old, smart, powerful dragons who conquered Westeros. Their stubbornness makes them harder to handle. I was comparing Drogon to Arrax. Both grew up with their riders, but are new to flying with them. Arrax hasn't been large enough to hold a rider very long. Their youth and inexperience make them harder to handle. The reason I used Drogon as an example is because his is the only dragon ride that we see THROUGH THE EYES OF AN ACTUAL POV CHARACTER. Everything in Fire and Blood is **written by maesters**, who don't have inside knowledge about dragons. See what I'm saying?
@billybayaraa
@billybayaraa Год назад
@@tasha5605 damn bro you destroyed her and her narrow perception of dragons as slaves
@celinerolle
@celinerolle Год назад
this also allows us to see that they are still young and dont fully understand the consequences of their carelessness. aemond was wrong but i dont think he wanted luke to die
@lollypop2310
@lollypop2310 Год назад
It makes sense because in the books him killing Luke on purpose seemed unrealistic to me even though I understand the animosity between their families, Kinslaying is an abomination in Westeros so Aemond killing him was so over the top to me
@vanessaamesty6739
@vanessaamesty6739 Год назад
Historians have told us that Visenya intented to burn Dorne and the Riverlands but we don't know what was going on in her head at the time. Maybe Vaghar wanted to commit some war crimes.
@swiggs_7
@swiggs_7 Год назад
Viserys said to Rhae in the very eps "the idea that we control dragons is an illusion".
@KabbalahSherry
@KabbalahSherry Год назад
Well they sorta HAD to put that dialogue in there, when they knew they were going to have Vaghar (of all dragons) disobeying her rider, out of nowhere, later on. I can't believe that they chose NOW to try to pull this card. And with THIS dragon?? 🤨🐉 LMAO She's a veteran of over 100 battles, and was never known for disobeying a rider in her life. Nowhere in the source material does she do that. They just didn't want Aemon looking like the complete psychopath that he *IS*. Those showrunners knew damn well that he kills that boy in cold blood & even goes home to BRAG about it... and they just didn't want audiences knowing that.
@swiggs_7
@swiggs_7 Год назад
@@KabbalahSherry Both Arrax and Vhagar disobeyed their riders. Plus in GOT there were a few times in which Dany had some issues "controlling" Drogon, this is explored even further in the ASOIAF books.
@KabbalahSherry
@KabbalahSherry Год назад
@@swiggs_7 - Nah, we're not gonna bring Dany into this, when that girl didn't know anything about dragons AT ALL, and neverrrr trained them properly. 🙄 She didn't even know they liked cooked meat ffs. THESE dragosn belong to experienced dragon riders, who have bred them & trained them for millenia! Who have put saddles on them and give them commands in High Valaryan. Dany barely did even that! And a young, untrained dragon like Drogon, cannot be compared to an extremely old, extremely well trained dragon like Vaghar, who as I said, is a veteran of over 100 battles. Come on. This show just doesn't want the audience to know what a psychopath Aemon is. They made Alicent look a whole lot more innocent than she is too. 😒 All while throwing dirt on Daemon's name, like having him kill his 1st wife, or choking Rhaenyra out. It's lame AF for them to make changes like this, KNOWING that it will change how viewers feel about these people. I'm just not okay w/it.
@davidcici11Evolution
@davidcici11Evolution Год назад
@@KabbalahSherry your trying to explain this way due to Dany ignorance. A dragon is a dragon 🐉 they are not something that can be fully controlled depending on the situation. They are inherently smart. Its like in the zoo the Tiger keeper makes folks believe that they are in control of the Tiger. That is an illusion. Any day the Tiger can snap and take back full control. A dragon is not a slave.
@tracys169
@tracys169 Год назад
@@KabbalahSherry I think it's because one of the writers (was it Hess) dislike Daemond so much. I mean, you can tell by the way they already said things like Daemon being impotent (in episode 4) to describe that scene, they could select any other word, but they just had to choose the worst. They also said they couldn't believe anyone would/should like Daemon character (per reading the book). They also limited the amount of 'kind' scenes Daemon had with his daughters. BUT BISH! We all enjoy great villain characters, who's to say we can't enjoy Daemon? LOL. The greens have been given much more dimension than the Blacks. The only strong dimension they gave the Blacks would be on Rhaenyra who's portrayed to be more level-headed in the beginning (pre-Luke's death), unlike the book's.
@CatACor21.
@CatACor21. Год назад
THANK YOU! 🤣😂 Like he was out here playing hide n seek. That’s what I’m saying. Aemond is NOT victim of what his dragon sensed he wanted to do to begin with.
@Syisulis
@Syisulis Год назад
Bruh, I would have diped. No way I would have even gone into that castle.
@jayathakur8643
@jayathakur8643 Год назад
Granny Vhaeger also probably has PTSD after all those wars . 🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️a Dragon the size of jumbo jet ,with PTSD, with "Lord F around and find out part two" on back??? Yah not a good news 🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️
@KabbalahSherry
@KabbalahSherry Год назад
Noooo... I am NOT supporting this honey I'm sorry but NOPE. 😤😡 They did Team Black dirty allllll season long, having Daemon kill his 1st wife (something he does NOT do in the books), then they show him grooming Rhaenyra (something that was only speculated about, but now it's canon, thanks to the show), but now... They got him choking Rhaenyra out too?! WTF?! Meanwhile, over at Team Green, they got Alicent looking all innocent, starting the war over a "misunderstanding", instead of her being the conniving, vindictive, heartless wench that she is in the source material, but even worse... they're giving Aemon a pass too?! Sweetie... AEMON IS A PSYCOPATH in the novel! Not only does he kill poor Luc on purpose... he then goes home & BRAGS about that sh*t to everybody. Even his Mama & Otto are horrified! The only person who isn't appalled is Aegon, because his disturbed ass is just as psychotic as Aemon is! lol NO, I'm not standing for this Team Black slander no way! 😒❌️ Because if those writers start changing up who these characters are TOO much, or start having them do crazy sh*t they wouldn't normally do.... Well now they're just writing their own damn fan fiction, INSTEAD OF, properly adapting the work, like they are supposed to be doing. And we already suffered enough of this bullsh*t during Game of Thrones. I'm not playin w/them about this stuff again! Vaghar is a veteran of over 100 battles, and would NEVER disobey her rider. This was the Dragon of Visenya Targaryan! Queen Consort of Aegon the Conqueror! This dragon knows what the tea is, and I don't believe for 2 seconds she'd disobey, it's just not in her nature OR her training. These writers better QUIT w/the Team Black slander!
@davidcici11Evolution
@davidcici11Evolution Год назад
If I am not mistaken Daemon does far worse in the book. He is actually thought to be responsible for his second wife death, and also responsible for Laenor death and even potentially Harwin Strong and the Strong family in Harenhal. The book leaves it as an open interpretation of whether Daemon is monster or not and the TV show lives up to him being a gray character who does evil but isn't full on evil. Also the Maestors weren't there so the accounts are simply accounts. This happens a lot with history we don't know the full account because one it's being told from the POV of someone who was on the other team. Example being British, American, and Canadians accounts all differ on the War of 1812. Depending on which side you ask they will have some recollections of accounts they will even have different motives of each side. The war happened obviously but they differ on various degrees of how things actually happened. Even ancient Roman history has a lot as well as Medieval European histories.
@areebariz1639
@areebariz1639 Год назад
​@@davidcici11Evolution Dameon is most definitely evil in the books, though in the show he's a full villain. writers say he's an "anti hero" but at the same time cut out every single humanising scene he has
@MissGrandeko
@MissGrandeko Год назад
I love how this episode highlighted just how connected the riders are to their dragons, and how despite that dragons have a will of their own. I loved when Luke initially returned to Arax and tried to calm him even before take off. It seemed like Arax had already connected to Luke's anxiety and fear from what had happened in the hall, and when Arax finally snapped and blew fire at Vahgar it reminded me of a cornered animal making it's last stand. Even though I knew what was going to happen, seeing Luke go out like that was rough. I can't wait for next season
@missArsenal18x
@missArsenal18x Год назад
The boy is 16, he hasn’t been to war and has never done any real harm to anyone. Why did y’all think he’s suddenly a blood thirsty Kin slayer? Aemond wanted to toy with him and bully him, make him scared. He shown he enjoys that kind of thing. He’s also not stupid, he knows killing him would cause huge problems and have massive consequences. He is not dumb. You can want to scare someone to the point of even putting a gun to their head, doesn’t mean you are going to pull the trigger. He is 16 and hasn’t rode his dragon as long as others, and vhagar is as old as the days of aegon the 1st. Off course he can’t fully control he’s dragon yet. He was just naive as teenagers often are when they get exited. Viserys even said this about the dragons and thinking you can fully control them. Also it brings another depth to he’s character. Making him this one dimensional eye patch wearing super villain straight of the bat is just 😴😴😴 In my opinion. I love this change!!
@Porcelynnn
@Porcelynnn Год назад
💯💯💯 you get it! Grey characters are all over Westeros. Humans are complicated, even the ones with dragons.
@missArsenal18x
@missArsenal18x Год назад
@@Porcelynnn exactly this💯
@KabbalahSherry
@KabbalahSherry Год назад
Why would we think he'd be a blood thirsty kin-slayer??? 🥴🤣💀💀💀 LMAOOO Because that is EXACTLY wtf he is!!!! He kills that boy ON PURPOSE, and then goes home & brags about it, ffs. His mother & even Otto, are both appalled at him. Both Aemon AND Aegon are total psychopaths in the novels! Like, if ya'll have never read the books... Then just plz let the book readers handle our business, cuz its obvious that the writers changed these situations on purpose to bamboozle audience members like you.... and that is not okay. Not when they are giving passes to characters like Aemon, and making HIM look innocent... but having Daemon do dirty sh*t, like killing his 1st wife, or choking out Rhaenyra. There's not even proof he grooms her when she is young - even that is just a joke/rumor told by their FOOL - but now, thanks to the show, its canon. That sh*t is lame AF. And if you read the books, and you knew how ruthless, evil & vindictive the Greens all are... you would not be happy to see these evil people suddenly get portrayed as "innocent" women who are just caught up in all of the evil men's schemings, or... scared teenagers, who's dragons just "misbehaved". You would NOT be having it, trust me. 😒 SMH
@missArsenal18x
@missArsenal18x Год назад
@@KabbalahSherry how many times does George Rr Martin nd the writers have to tell y’all that this is not the books or book cannon. Yes they are adapting but they have made changes, they have said this more than once. This is not him in the books, the same way this was not viserys in the books. Again things have been changed for the show. For the show, this ending works in my opinion. It makes him not a simple crazy typical villain of the bat. Let’s see where this takes us. No need for a meltdown luv. As a book reader I’m happy. We can agree to disagree…
@davidcici11Evolution
@davidcici11Evolution Год назад
@@missArsenal18x George RR Martin said the show is closer to cannon than the books. Reason being is the show is it actually happening the books are accounts written by Mushroom and couple of maestors who claimed to have witnessed or heard details of certain events. Which one would be more accurate? George RR Martin even emphasized in an interview you shouldn't take every single account into detail as a lot of them conflict with each other so how can you claim his books are cannon when George RR Martin doesn't? Ironically George RR Martin doesn't even say that about the Games of Thrones series. He says show and books can be a different variation of the same story.
@juneoffred6693
@juneoffred6693 Год назад
Personally I love that they went in this direction. It makes Aemond a sympathetic character while at the same time makes him terrible. He was acting like a bully but didn’t respect Vhagar as an individual. She is a war dragon and has killed thousands. I think now Aemond will have a respect and a better understanding of just how deadly Vhagar is. She is not a toy. She’s basically a flying weapon of mass destruction.
@lisaellis2593
@lisaellis2593 Год назад
Agreed!
@t-rexcellentreviews1663
@t-rexcellentreviews1663 Год назад
Will see, it depends on what happens next season, he might remember it for a while, but Aemond clearly has an ego that doesn’t like anything getting in the way of it.
@swiggs_7
@swiggs_7 Год назад
Even the most well trained dog will show some level of aggression when placed into a hostile situation. Aemond initiated the chase or "hunt", putting Vhagar into an aggressive mindset. Arrax in defense, and WITHOUT the command of Luce, breathed fire at Vhagar .....and old sis finished the job, which was not Aemond's intent at all. Vhagar is over 100 years old and was one of the three dragons rode in Aegon's Conquest....you don't use a dragon like that as a "play thing" to simply scare your nephew. Although the actor may look older, Aemond isn't really that much older than Luce (close to the age of Jace). This scene really drove home that you have kids handling weapons of mass destruction.
@dovelove1920
@dovelove1920 Год назад
👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
@h_haze
@h_haze Год назад
I think that scene was the equivalent of throwing your nephew into the lake and being surprised he drowned. I think it gives more context to the dragons and fleshes them out more, meanwhile Aemond is not as a mature as we all thought. He's dragging his brother whilst starting a war being less than smart. In the books Visenya said Vhagar was easily irritated! (can't remember the exact wording, but in internet twitter terms. Visenya said Vhagar will knuck if you buck)
@virgoqueen8950
@virgoqueen8950 Год назад
I NEVER THOUGHT AEMOND WAS MATURE AND HE WAS A NEGLECTED SECOND SON AS A CHILD
@NotSandraBullock
@NotSandraBullock Год назад
Them greens poisoned the children and now the children have poisoned the dragons. This episode showed multiple times leading up to the ending that dragons can sense emotion. It doesn’t matter what was said, dragons could sense their true emotions/intentions. Luce was scared and just wanted to flee and his dragon felt it and defended him. Aemond hates him and wanted to kill him but couldn’t say dracarys aloud. What I don’t understand on the show is that Aemond was all big and bad when he said it was a far better trade: losing and eye for the biggest dragon, but is still angry and wants blood for his eye. But then again, no matter how fat the leech grows, it always wants for another meal.
@christypassy
@christypassy Год назад
I agree I think that Vhagar just got annoyed that these 2 idiots were playing around. Lol. She was like okay I ate him now can we get out of this wet ass place?🤣🤣
@kristineilochi4615
@kristineilochi4615 Год назад
🤣🤣🤣
@andrea5639
@andrea5639 Год назад
i loved this, its very realistic.
@loeuphoria
@loeuphoria Год назад
I’m glad that they’re not going by the books completely. It gives viewers who never read the books something to look forward to and it forces SOME of the annoying book readers who swear they got it all figured out to watch alongside everyone else. People were saying “can’t wait for Aemond to cut Luke’s eye out” after episode 7 came out and I’m like “damn idk if that’s how it went down in the books but that’s annoying. I don’t wanna be spoiled” so I’m glad they’re switching stuff up a bit. Plus the books are told from the perspectives of maesters and depending on which ones per book, they MAY write history to benefit whichever side of the dance they were on. I don’t expect a team Black maester to rewrite history the SAME way a team Green maester would so I’m happy with how this show is set up so far. These wild ass creatures felt the energy and went rogue.
@maggyfrog
@maggyfrog Год назад
the thing with fire and blood is that george deliberately wrote it in the perspective of a maester who was relying on a few sources. he even said multiple times in interviews that it's basically a fake history book, with all the biases and mistakes that actual historians irl has done in their written accounts of historical events. this is george not only ingeniously crafting the targaryen history in westeros but he also was actively toying with metafiction, pushing the "unreliable narrator" to its logical extreme via the maester who is the "writer" of fire and blood.
@DLando
@DLando Год назад
@@maggyfrog that may be so but the show runners point of view has now become just another version, how do you know it’s reliable? So the story has become a conundrum. Anyone can now write their own version so who comes closest to the real version. I don’t think everything in the book are from 2nd or 3rd hand account but comes from the writer of the book himself GRRM. And the real truth is there in the book like the final fate of Lucerys from one of the version listed in the book. I would prefer the show runners follow the book more closely. I know it’s very difficult to adapt a book and translate it into video.
@skuroo
@skuroo Год назад
Also Martin is working along side of the show writers so he has a big part in this. I think they have no reason to be mad since the writer is activelly involved and has a big role in filming. Just as you said, the stories are written from a 3rd person (maesters) perspective so its kinda nice of them to give us more to conect the whole story. And lets be honest making Aemond accidentally kill his nephew and showing us how dragons respond to their riders emotions (and kinda spiraling out of control) gives more depth to the story and the characters!
@maggyfrog
@maggyfrog Год назад
@@DLando during the comic con panel before the show aired, george said at that point he had seen 9 out of 10 episodes and he liked them. you can't get a better thumbs up than from the author himself. he also mentioned that he didn't get the chance to visit the production while they filmed due to covid and the fact that he's busy with winds of winter, so i think george's input has probably been mostly on creative consultation.
@maggyfrog
@maggyfrog Год назад
@@skuroo no, george was not present during the entirety of the filming. he said so himself. where did you get that lie? george and ryan condal are the show creators, but george isn't part of the show runners. he also isn't credited in any of the screenplay, so his input is probably largely on consultation.
@hnybee113
@hnybee113 Год назад
A DRAGON IS NOT A SLAVE!!
@birdiewolf3497
@birdiewolf3497 Год назад
I mean spoiler..... Don't one of Rhaenyra's kids die falling off HER own damn dragon because it was like "Bitch I don't know you??" A dragon is not a WHAT????? SLAVE. The Targaryen's got too comfortable with these dragons, and it got my dragons killed. Nasty work. Yes they are still my favorite colonizers, but they should have had sense (and Rhaenys should have roasted those bitches up when she had the chance. I hated to see a real one got down like that.) But yeah, now why I forget Dany was constantly struggling to get those dragons to do anything?🤣🤣 And Drogon ain't ever listen to a damn thing she said and was always backtalking! I don't know if I fully agreed with Viserys saying that they should have never messed with the magic, but I just think they shouldn't have let that shit go to their heads. Especially if the whole reason for the conquest is to stop the white walkers from coming through. Y'all didn't respect the dragons and it fucked up the dragons and your house forever.
@blaquenfrench
@blaquenfrench Год назад
Dragons are uncontrollable as well so it makes sense for them not to listen to their riders
@KceeKit
@KceeKit Год назад
~ I really enjoyed the season, but I can't give it a 10...I am over everything being an accident, a mistake, a misunderstanding! I am also over both of the women (looking at you Alicent) being played as weak and confused and it is the men around them that's bad! I need less of that in season 2. Still solid work all around by everyone 8/10!!!!!!!!!~ ** I hope Helanea's kids are Aemonds it will make Blood and Cheese EXTRA crazy!!!
@areebariz1639
@areebariz1639 Год назад
yeah that's what I hope the writers consider the feedback on bc right now, their theme is "men are making women do these things and women are incapable of doing anything bad or selfish" (from their recent interviews). that oversimplifies the plot way too much
@ashiaku9864
@ashiaku9864 Год назад
I’m not so much upset by the fact that this change happened I love the fact that dragonriders can’t fully control their dragons, my problem is with Aemond. He goes after Luke wanting an eye, but how are you going to get on eye ridding 3000 feet off the ground on the back of a dragon? I think that if he would have had a better motive instead of being a stupid raging teen no one would be complaining
@davidcici11Evolution
@davidcici11Evolution Год назад
I mean that is exactly what he is? Tell me how the motive changes in the books vs the show? In the books his motive is literally the same except he is actually in successful in getting the eye Luke ends up dead over his teen like angst and immaturity
@sierradougie8559
@sierradougie8559 Год назад
If When Animals Attack! were based in fantasy
@alluring_alchemy11
@alluring_alchemy11 2 месяца назад
😂😂
@CatACor21.
@CatACor21. Год назад
The dragons have an emotional tie with their riders riders? They only did what their riders felt. 🤷🏽‍♀️ But the fact they’re giving Aemond the Jaime Lannister treatment. 🥴 Even tho Jaime killed the king he did it bc Aries wanted to burn the city. But Jaime doesn’t correct ppl when they say that he’s a king slayer. Same will be for Aemond. The writers r team green. When Daemon sends Blood & Cheese to do what they’ll do 😉 the audience will fault the Blacks for taking the fight too far bc they saw that Luke dying as an ‘accident.’
@KabbalahSherry
@KabbalahSherry Год назад
EXAAAACTLY 🙄😡 That's my problem w/all of this too. They been doing Team Black dirty all season long, and now in season 2 Blood & Cheese is gonna happen, and we can't even rub it in the Greens faces that it's justice, cuz all of 'em are gonna be like: "bUt aEmOnD diDnT mEaN tO kiLL Luc!" I am SO disgusted. 😒🤮
@davidcici11Evolution
@davidcici11Evolution Год назад
@@KabbalahSherry shit doesn't really matter if the greens think that, they know exactly what the blacks will think. So they know it was an act of full out war what Aemond did regardless if the greens themselves view it as an accident , regardless if it was or not. Doesn't really matter Aemond took that shit too far and no one is going to have sympathy for them whether it's the viewers or not. And if I am not mistaken the people won't either as the Maestors wrote it as if Aemond did what he did intentionally Also the Greens usurped the crown they aren't true monarchs and that was established in the TV series so I don't see why people would think viewers would be more compelled to root for the Greens.
@birdiewolf3497
@birdiewolf3497 Год назад
@@KabbalahSherry That is y'all. Me, imma cheer when the Black commit their war crimes. I am not too caught up with the morality games. Fact of the matter is the Greens are usurpers, and that is why they deserve whatever is coming for them. Like they thought they could usurp the throne and not get hit? Please. They literally call themselves the greens which is a reference to their mama's house and I am supposed to respect whatever they think they are doing in any shape or form? Especially since they are insisting on putting that demon on the throne? Sure. If they didn't want the smoke they should have kept it cute. All of the dragons are gonna die because of their bullshit. Lucerys don't need to die for me to laugh in the Green's face when they get got.
@tracys169
@tracys169 Год назад
Since the beginning, yeah, I can tell the writers are Team Green, I think it's because they gave so much dimension to Alicent, then Aemond now. Many people (not all, there have been enough 'team green pre-show') were team black before watching the show so the writers probably intend to even out the scale. To make the Green's horrific action to be all misunderstanding would be defeating the story though LOL. So I hope that they wouldn't do this on season 2. You need to kind of have the characters owning their actions somewhat, not just 'ooops' (i.e. Alicent to Aemond currently--what's next, Vhagar wouldn't listen when they're burning the Riverland? LOL).
@areebariz1639
@areebariz1639 Год назад
they're doing too much just to humanize green side while they already have good characters (Daeron, Aemond, Halaena etc)
@TedIsHere2
@TedIsHere2 Год назад
That book fan base need to chill out….like it’s literally just a tv show
@taylormade9748
@taylormade9748 Год назад
Yeah, and I’m not even a book reader, but it’s not wrong to want to see what they read in the books. It can help them enjoy the tv show more. Nothing is wrong with that
@manoz6194
@manoz6194 Год назад
If only they were this passionate about real world events that have been twisted in real history!
@NeeNee_B.
@NeeNee_B. Год назад
Daenerys didn't even need to be taken by the Dothraki, she could've just stayed under Drogon's wing like he put her and let him Dracarys them lol I never liked that scene
@birdiewolf3497
@birdiewolf3497 Год назад
Umm Drogon was badly injured and needed to heal. If she stayed with Drogon, he could have died. Drogon was too small and injured to fight off an entire dothraki hoard.
@NeeNee_B.
@NeeNee_B. Год назад
@@birdiewolf3497 how? There were charred bones there, so that was clearly his nest. He had been coming there the entire time he was gone from Dany (when he was even smaller). It's impossible for the dothraki to not have known he was there. Or for drogon to not hear them and come defend his mom. He was good enough to fly from meereen, he could blow fire from the ground. The scene was just bad writing, period.
@februaryschild0216
@februaryschild0216 Год назад
They're teenagers - can't see the long run. Of course he didn't mean to kill him. He's spoiled and rich with a fast car. He's a "sweet summer child, as green as grass" (Queen Rhaenys episode 1 at the tourney 👑). How many kids showed guns to "scare" people and ended up in prison for shooting someone? Being a teenager is treacherous and chaotic. Some of these fans aren't catching the symbolism and texture in the lines and behaviors of the main characters. I just called back to Rhaenys' words. You called back to Viserys and Daenerys' words. You have to pay attention to see the irony and foreshadowing. That's why I love your breakdowns, you get it!
@xylosomatic
@xylosomatic Год назад
It's also said that the dragons don.t have a "fight or flight" response, it's just "fight." Arrax's choice makes a lot of sense in that context, and Vhagar too! The targs are playing with these dragons and it's not a game...
@Blcastillo74
@Blcastillo74 Год назад
Thank you this is what I’ve been saying. It goes back to when Jorah told Daenerys that she can’t control her dragons when Drogon snapped at her. And I’m sorry Aemond deserved having his eye slashed out. And what about when Aemond said it was ok because he gained a dragon.
@punkybrew07
@punkybrew07 Год назад
I know a lot of people are saying she shouldn't have sent Luke and Rhaeneys would be a better choice which is true but she sent Luke because she wanted to show him that she believed in him and to give him some responsibility and because it was the shortest trip. No one knew Aemond would be there. If Aemond wasn't there Luke would have delivered the note and left and been back home safe. Luke thou should have turned back once he saw Vhagar, his mother wouldn't have been angry at him. The problem is that Rhaenyra raised honorable sons and Luke wanted to do his duty for his mother so she would be proud of him and decided to be brave. Aemond is totally at fault because what did he think would happen, he was literally going after the smaller dragon, did he really think it would end well. So the retaliation will be his fault and he will have to live with that.
@sydnitheromantictaylor112
@sydnitheromantictaylor112 Год назад
I wouldn't be irritated that they made it seem like an accident if they hadn't already used that trope twice this season. They used the "accident" part last Sunday when Ser Criston "accidentally" killed Lord Beesbury and also when Alicent "misunderstood" Viserys's last words.
@smartlikewoah
@smartlikewoah Год назад
That's exactly my problem too it's being overused. I think they should've kept this trope for this scene with Aemond and Luke cus it makes sense. But not everything has to be framed as an accident or a misunderstanding. It's overkill now.
@KabbalahSherry
@KabbalahSherry Год назад
Yeah it's honestly indefensible how much Team Black slander we've had to endure all season. They had Daemon killing his 1st wife, full-on grooming Rhaenyra, AND now he's choking her out too?! 🥴 He doesn't do none of this stuff (or it's only speculated about) in the source material! Same w/Rhaenys bursting up through the Dragon Pit floor, and killing 100 peasants! But while they're doing all this to Team Black ... They're giving passes to Team Green left & right! Aemon is a total psychopath, and he absolutely kills that boy on purpose! 😤😡 He even goes home & brags about it ffs. And Vaghar is a dragon who is a veteran of over 100 battles, and she would NEVER disobey a rider. They really expected Us to believe this?? The showrunners just don't want the audience to see how conniving, evil & disturbed Team Green is! They want everybody buying up all the merchandise for BOTH teams, but they knew the only way they could get folks to agree to that, is to make Team Black look "equally evil". I think that's really cowardly though. 😒 SMH
@NeeNee_B.
@NeeNee_B. Год назад
Right, it's like a long ass 3 stooges skit, with everyone bumbling around and misunderstanding everything smh
@htaylor9677
@htaylor9677 Год назад
Agreed
@toobusytocare7555
@toobusytocare7555 Год назад
Ikr, they removed most characters' agency, who moved with intent and faced consequences for it but they turned most characters' actions into "Oops my bad, I didn't mean it" People enjoyed and still do enjoy GRRM writings for their grim themes and he doesn't shy away from taboo topics, so most fans feel comfortable exploring these themes in fiction because they serve the plot. These writers, however, trying to be the morality police of these characters "oh they all made mistakes, they all wanted to live happily ever after, they didn't want to fight,it's all peachy". F&B was good as it is, but these writers are making questionable changes. Seriously, HBO still didn't learn their lesson; we've seen the last time writers run out of GRRM writing material how it ended. They need to know no one will give them bonus points for this.
@TheSpiderworks
@TheSpiderworks Год назад
You got this big ass dragon all gassed up and you're surprised it took you on the ride
@kabbyhearts
@kabbyhearts Год назад
They ate Luke so dang fast I had to rewind it 😱
@officialmouse8470
@officialmouse8470 Год назад
I agree, but I honestly don’t feel as if Aemon necessarily hates Luke. I DO think that he wants to one up, or try to bully him because he’s still bitter about his whole eye situation (a situation where AEMOND instigated the ENTIRE fight). I’m also seeing a pattern with Aemond. Because he always instigates, saying and doing stupid shit, and at the end of the day, it ends up blowing up in his face (his eye, his dragon killing Luke, etc)
@RevRideReason
@RevRideReason Год назад
A dragon and his rider is a partnership... however people aren't taking into account the age and development differences between not just the boys but the dragons themselves... it's commonsense imo
@jigen1504
@jigen1504 Год назад
The Show HOTD must be written from a Green supporter. Bc it’s perspective slanted back towards them
@Kadasberry11
@Kadasberry11 Год назад
Aemond subconsciously wanted Luke dead but he wasn’t planning to act on it. It’s giving manslaughter 🧐
@lamekwilliam9389
@lamekwilliam9389 Год назад
I love the description, perfectly put. Loved the dog reference, it was spot on. Looking forward to more vids.
@reneenayfabnaynay5679
@reneenayfabnaynay5679 Год назад
I always thought Drogon didn't listen to Dani and bring her back because he'd been wounded and was healing. No?
@sheenydonut
@sheenydonut Год назад
It wasn't singularly Aemond/Vhagar that made ppl upset. The entire show has portrayed the spiral of events that lead to civil war as a series of accidents. Example: *alicent accidentally misinterprets viserys for mistaking her for rhaenyra when talking about succession* *criston accidentally kills beesbury instead of opening his throat with a dagger* *aemond accidentally kills lucerys while playing a stupid game* This is just off the top of my head so there's probably more, but this all lessens the impact of these events and every character this season is essentially robbed of their personal responsibility. It's like the writers are afraid to commit to having one of their characters knowingly commit an act of brutality. Every character is just a bystander. (except Larys)
@areebariz1639
@areebariz1639 Год назад
also except Daemon*. he's the only character who's evil/villain and does shit bc he wants to, not by accidents or misunderstandings.
@sheenydonut
@sheenydonut Год назад
@@areebariz1639 tru
@toobusytocare7555
@toobusytocare7555 Год назад
Aemond killing Luke with intent makes perfect sense too in the show. *Show Aemond has the motive and the perfect timing to kill Luke*
@taylormade9748
@taylormade9748 Год назад
exactly
@birdiewolf3497
@birdiewolf3497 Год назад
Yeah I thought it make sense. I mean obviously Aemond is gonna act like he meant that shit. But when the world in reduced to ashes he will remain haunted by that moment.
@t-rexcellentreviews1663
@t-rexcellentreviews1663 Год назад
One of the definitions of murder is to engage in reckless conduct that presents the risk to human life and that ultimately results in the ending of human life, which is exactly what Aemond did when he decided to chase Luke into that thunderstorm without regard for the consequences.
@frawal13
@frawal13 Год назад
I was yelling at my television, a son for a son! Cheese and crackers!
@GS-to9oe
@GS-to9oe Год назад
Aemond and Daemon fight??? (spoiler) All the little stare downs make sense now
@theshackledgamer799
@theshackledgamer799 Год назад
I like this change; not only does it make the Dance more tragic. Besides, maesters have always been flawed in their recording of history, picking and choosing what they believe regardless of the events that transpired.
@sheenydonut
@sheenydonut Год назад
I can't wait for Aemond to accidentally burn all of the Riverlands on Vhagar
@lukesguywalker
@lukesguywalker Год назад
When Luke was trying to soothe Arrax my heart sank 😭
@DLando
@DLando Год назад
Where is this lie coming from? GRRM did not co-wrote or wrote any of the episode he said it himself. He may be executive producer but he did not write the screenplay. There’s some conversation taken straight from the book but that’s it. Now the show runners is making this war base on misunderstandings deviating from the book. That’s what making people who read the book criticize it. I prefer myself good versus evil with evil pretending to be good or the bad person have some character flaws. Like in GOT when Jamie pushes Bran from the window that’s a character flaw. You don’t want it to be “oh I’m sorry I didn’t mean to push you, sorry you’re crippled now.” Aemond was taunted by one of the daughters and influenced him to go after Lucerys. Aemond being immature would go as far as killing his nephew.
@peteperkins3859
@peteperkins3859 Год назад
Aemonds behavior under Lord Baratheons roof prior to Lucerys' murder is proof enough it wasn't an accident. Not a single incident mentioned in ASOIAF where dragons " lose it" and start killing people.
@kenroycherrington148
@kenroycherrington148 Год назад
@Avatar Adrian True: I like Aemond (Him, COle, daemond, and Aegon) but he did f****d up!
@gebeine
@gebeine Год назад
Least favorite narrative that aemond did not have intent in his heart to harm 😅 it was not an accident he said chase
@gebeine
@gebeine Год назад
Alicent was not a dragon rider and did not give her kids agency vs rhaenera who told her boys how to ride and act 😅
@bartolomeestebanmurillo4459
Aemond just wanted to mess with the kid but that's how a lot of accidents happen because some people like to be assholes. But no one but Aemond will know it was a tragic accident and thus the realm will be ripped apart because of it!
@Dannydee29677
@Dannydee29677 Год назад
It’s mostly the book readers they mad about this . they mad that a relationship founded on grooming isn’t turning out the way they wanted with daemon … like y’all book readers need to take yourself to Reddit & A03 and write fanfics that fit your narrative. 😂 Cus people being way to critical
@KabbalahSherry
@KabbalahSherry Год назад
NOPE, cuz all that grooming sh*t was only speculation in the books! Nobody ever saw anything happen between them - it was only a rumor, told by a FOOL. But NOW it's canon, thanks to this show. 🤦🏻‍♀️😒 They also had Daemon killing his 1st wife for some reason. Something he also DOES NOT DO in the books. As well as choking Rhaenyra out too, like... WTF?! If you can't understand why these pretty drastic changes to his character would upset book readers.... then you were clearly the type of audience member they were trying to bamboozle. 🙄 SMH Cuz Daemon doesn't do even half of this sh*t in the source material, and frankly its lame AF that they've thrown all this dirt on his character... while at the same time, giving characters like Alicent or Aemon a PASS, for their vindictive, ruthless, or psychotic tendencies. Aemon doesn't kill that boy "on accident" okay? He does that sh*t on purpose, and then, goes back home & BRAGS about it ffs. But NOW, if somebody gets their revenge next season (no spoilers)... ya'll are gonna be in the comments crying "Noooo why'd they do that?! Aemon didn't MEAN to kill Lucerys! It was just an accident!". And it will make Team Black look bad AGAIN. If these writers aren't going to adapt the characters AS THEY ARE... then they are writing their own fan fiction. They aren't properly adapting the story we already know & love. Let the people who actually know these f*cking characters say something if they want to! Cuz we might end up being the ones who save this show from spiraling out of control, like Game of Thrones did, in its final seasons. 😬 IJS
@Dannydee29677
@Dannydee29677 Год назад
@@KabbalahSherry book readers try to make it their personality that they read fire & blood. Cus it’s an easy read we don’t care. Y’all wasn’t acting this during GOT Cus nobody wanted to read all them books. Their will always be tweaks when a book is turned into a tv series /movie
@mcallister..b8891
@mcallister..b8891 Год назад
@@KabbalahSherry "save this show" You have no power here also why do you think its your sacred responsibility or calling to save tv shows, book readers are weird
@areebariz1639
@areebariz1639 Год назад
alot of non book readers are pointing out the overuse of accidental trope and there's nothing wrong with that, it's feedback for writers that'll improve the show they're creating. also, 90% of the characters are groomers and fuckups in asoiaf, no character can be enjoyed with your logic and most complains about Daemon's character even restricted to his relationship with Nyra. writers are labeling him as "anti hero" while cutting out all of his scenes that humanize him. they're contradicting themselves in every interview lol
@Dannydee29677
@Dannydee29677 Год назад
@@areebariz1639 no character is really suppose to be enjoyed this is GOT realm you pick your favorite war criminal and move on . y’all book readers love to over use trope Accidental trope ….come on now please go to A03 and let us normal folks enjoy the show.
@DeeDee97916
@DeeDee97916 Год назад
King Viserys warned in the 1st episode that it's an illusion that humans can control the dragons ("The idea that we control the dragons is an illusion. They're a power man should never have trifled with. One that brought Valyria its doom.") 🤔 We saw in this episode that Aemond messed up thinking he could instigate the dragons & that there wouldn't be consequences for playing with these beasts. Aemond done F***ed up! 😬🐉🐉🔥🔥🔥
@bpmode
@bpmode Год назад
Great analysis!
@keirangrant1607
@keirangrant1607 Год назад
Bear in mind than Aemond did kill a bunch of innocent people in the war just because they lived under the rule of lords who supported the Blacks. But him accidentally killing his nephew, when he only asked for an eye, makes perfect sense. Dragons are not slaves. I didnt know the episode was written by GRRM and the interviews with Condyle are very interesting
@tracys169
@tracys169 Год назад
Well, dragons are affected with the rider's feeling/emotion. So if Aemond was feeling murderous against Lucerys (heck, he's hated the boy since forever, even before he cut out his eye), then Vhagar would act on it. Simple. Aemond may feel like he wants to kill Luke, but it doesn't mean that he means to kill him. So I 'get it.' I mean, I've gotten so angry that I felt like I could just strangle the person I was mad at (shout out to Daemon who did this lol) but I didn't do it. Dragons, on the other hand, are the extension of the riders so he just grants what Aemond feels lol. Plus, Arrax did that cute 'Dracarys' --I'm sure its because he was tuning in Luke's feeling (very afraid) and trying to defend itself.
@MourningCoffeeMusic
@MourningCoffeeMusic Год назад
👁👄💎 oops
@taylormade9748
@taylormade9748 Год назад
I guess it’s why we enjoyed Cersei, she was bad and felt no remorse for being bad. It was a cool ending but, I think it would have been a stronger ending if Aemmond did not care about killing Luke and starting the war. Some things need to be intentional in the show and not mistakes
@lukewootton3590
@lukewootton3590 Год назад
Isn’t the book from the maesters POV The maesters could be wrong
@Zackmillsx
@Zackmillsx Год назад
your the first person that actually gives a warning for future stuff.. appreciate it
@kaifazam
@kaifazam Год назад
Dany's bond with Drogon was that of a mother and child not of the mound and tha dragon hence Drogon's behaviour is justified. here it's just that vahgar is an much older dragon probably mother and grandmother of all the existing dragons the moment Aemond chased on luke Vahgar did try to bite of Arax couple of time which pissed Arax and it retaliated and then Vahgar made it's final move leaving both the dragon and its riders to pieces. It might appear that Ameond is in control of Vahgar but that's very unlikely Vahgar might listen to Aemond when it comes to attacking armies or burning fleet of ships but when it comes to drgaon vs dragon it is going to work of his own free will. As dragons aren't slave and a dragon which remained rider less for a longer period of time is definitely not one. The way Vahgar attacked Arax it's very clear that Vahgar has already been in a one on one fight with other dragons out there.
@stephansmith8559
@stephansmith8559 Год назад
I love your content 💯💯😘❤️❤️🔥🔥 just showing light sibling rivalry but shit happened
@christopherprice9593
@christopherprice9593 Год назад
People needs to understand that the books states these stories are accounts from other people
@paperboy371
@paperboy371 Год назад
There are thousands of misconceptions about what “exactly” happened throughout history. Many of wars likely started because of something someone didn’t mean to do.
@lpjohnson8391
@lpjohnson8391 Год назад
Did anyone notice that as Aemond was cut on his left eye....Arrax also blew fire on Vaeghars left eye as well???????
@countrydingess113
@countrydingess113 Год назад
The first time Daenerys Targaryen mounted & rode Dragoon, Drogon in the fighting pits, When Daenerys was getting attacked Drogon saves & flys away with Daenerys & the dragon Drogon new Daenerys needed an army so he takes Danny to the Dothraki. They keep saying Dragons 🐉are very smart & intelligent creatures & know what there rider’s are thinking & feeling & wanting. So The Dragon Drogon knew Daenerys wanted to go back to her homeland & across the neuroses sea to claim the iron thrown & take back the 7 kingdoms. & she needed an army to do that.
@toxicjbotv9059
@toxicjbotv9059 Год назад
In the books the narrator is telling the story through third person accounts the real story is exactly what happened in HOTD per GRRM
@silvanademerchant8114
@silvanademerchant8114 Год назад
I think that people overlook that Aemond, while rash is very studied. In the moment of Luke's death he realizes his own hubris has taken the situation that no one was quite ready for yet. He now knows Rhaeneyra will never accept terms and now he has to explain what he has done to his family. That is why he is scared. I am willing to bet his grandfather Otto supports his actions.
@t-rexcellentreviews1663
@t-rexcellentreviews1663 Год назад
Will see, in the book, neither Otto or his mother were very happy with him about this because they both knew it put their side in a bad public light, no one is going to believe it was accident, and the killing of a messenger is definitely against the rules of war, as for Aemond himself, I’m hoping he earns the public moniker of Kinslayer, similar to Jaime with Kingslayer, and considering what consequences his actions will have for his family, I hope we see some serious regret from him later on.
@danofsteel1108
@danofsteel1108 6 месяцев назад
❤And more than that, he said when they were younger that it was it was "A fair exchange".. he asked for Luke's eye to give as a gift to his mother. It's definitely Ameon's fault whether he knew it at the time or not.
@donnapeebles473
@donnapeebles473 Год назад
Vhagar she's old dragon 🐉180 years old aarax was baby dragon scared trying to get away from big momma Rip Luke and Aarax
@taylormade9748
@taylormade9748 Год назад
I do think it would have been a stronger ending if Aemmond it did it without remorse. Like he was getting his get back. But I understand that we don’t know Aemmond as a killer, just a person that leads with ego and wanted revenge. It does add humanity to his character which was interesting to see, but before the end of the episode, I did appreciate how motivated he was to be the antagonist. I think that’s why I feel like Otto is a strong character. He’s bad and he’s okay with being bad and does not feel bad about his decisions.
@danofsteel1108
@danofsteel1108 6 месяцев назад
Omg Yes. Giving me so much life at work rn. ❤❤❤keep these videos coming please
@glovader
@glovader Год назад
You have a great channel! And I love ALL THE SPOILERS!!! 🐉
@ChrisMillerCrazyHouse
@ChrisMillerCrazyHouse Год назад
I don’t know what the issue is. I have seen this happens with people’s dogs all the time . Ever see a small dog walk near a large dog coming down the street. Little dog barks and snaps and big dog mauls him
@brouby19
@brouby19 Год назад
New sub here love your commentary 😂
@nathan43082
@nathan43082 Год назад
They are essentially wild animals at heart and if you've ever seen lizards in the wild, this makes perfect sense, riders be damned.
@waltonsmith7210
@waltonsmith7210 Год назад
It was ambiguous in the book. Its not a contradiction to the book.
@thezerowulf2046
@thezerowulf2046 Год назад
I wonder how many more birthing scenes we are going to get next season...
@derekvillanueva3709
@derekvillanueva3709 Год назад
Wondering if they made this decision to later reveal that Bran has been warging into dragons all along.
@Tyler_W
@Tyler_W Год назад
It'd a change that adds to the lore abd the context to the story, so I'm fine with it.
@noturmum7967
@noturmum7967 Год назад
Why would you put a spoiler in the title of the video? It's just rude
@essjai5D
@essjai5D Год назад
The title of your video is so inconsiderate to people who may not have watched yet
@jasnnialewis536
@jasnnialewis536 Год назад
The reason it doesn't really make sense is because to me...... WHAT THE FUCK DID AEMOND THINK WAS GOING TO FUCKING HAPPEN? Aemond is a grown ass man who has been raised to ride dragon since birth. He mounted Vhagar at 12. And he doesn't know how she is after six years? And then gonna be like dang not like that.
@swiggs_7
@swiggs_7 Год назад
Although the actor looks older, Aemond actually is about the same age as Luce's older brother, Jace, also Aemond was the last of his siblings and nephews to claim a dragon.....this is why they all made fun of him when they younger because he was the only one without a dragon.
@jasnnialewis536
@jasnnialewis536 Год назад
@@swiggs_7 lf Jace did that I would come down even harder than Aemond. So that doesn't really change anything. If Jace did it the thing that would make it worse is that he's had his dragon since birth. Aemond is too big to be playing and they are on the brink of war.
@virgoqueen8950
@virgoqueen8950 Год назад
@@swiggs_7 THE ACTOR IS ONLY 20YEARS OLD AND THIS CHOICE IS THROWING EVERYONE OFF
@birdiewolf3497
@birdiewolf3497 Год назад
I mean Adrian did talk about how Dany could barely get her dragons together. And he probably ain't know how she was because what was he doing with her before this? What battles/ dragon battles has he been engaged in prior to the dance? All homeboy has done was use her as a means of transport. But Vhagar is about that life. Vhagar has seen combat. She has seen war. I believe he didn't know that side of Vhagar because why would he? What opportunities did he have during peace time to see Vhagar in combat mode?
@jasnnialewis536
@jasnnialewis536 Год назад
@@birdiewolf3497 thats like me challenging someone to a race on a black ice freeway and then when they decline I start tailgating them with my brights and then when I loose control and kill them I say "Well I've only had this car for 6 years. How would I know that chasing someone would kill them. Its not my fault that the car didn't stop before it killed someone. I just wanted to race."
@crazylikeamoose77
@crazylikeamoose77 Год назад
You can lead a horse to water but not make it drink
@aeron8293
@aeron8293 Год назад
bro why you gotta spoil people like this with that title
@manoz6194
@manoz6194 Год назад
It could be good set up for the fights to come
@pixie3869
@pixie3869 Год назад
I'm sorry but a flame in the eye? There is no way Vhagar didn't feel that shit. Even as small as Arrax was that was still 🔥 in a very sensitive area. My girl Vhagar was big mad and I would be too honestly. It's like smoking low grade weed out of a bowl and having a cherry pop up in your eye. It may be very small but you're still feeling that shit and it still sucks. But yeah I do agree it makes more sense that they lost control of their Dragons. Regardless of Aemond's attitude and how he feels about Luc. He's still a momma's boy and his mom did not want him to start a war. She was very adamant about it in episode 9 actually. Rhaenyra is the same. She made it clear they were just messengers. So it definitely makes more sense for the dragons to have minds of their own. It plays into the lore of the dragons perfectly. Dragons are not slaves or pets and the Targaryens do not own them.
@danofsteel1108
@danofsteel1108 6 месяцев назад
❤Zaldrizes Buzdari Iksos daor🐉
@naefaust581
@naefaust581 Год назад
Drogon was too tired!
@danabarnes7857
@danabarnes7857 Год назад
Aemond not beating the “where’s Luke?”allegations I like your points!
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