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Rivals of Aether. One thing I love about the game is that every character has one "stage-wide" mechanic. Three examples: Orcane lays puddles which he can teleport to at any time, Kragg can pull up a giant pillar to get in the way of opponents or aid in his recovery, and Ori has a little orb-thing called Stein which follows (him?) around and powers up his attacks if they're together. And then you realise the game has Steam Workshop support, and suddenly you're playing as Minecraft Steve (with a completely unique moveset to Smash), fighting Yellow from Animator vs. Animation, a cat who can program his own special attacks mid-battle and Goku (and that's just from ONE mod dev)
Interesting fact about Playstation All-Stars: Crash Bandicoot and Spyro were heavily requested and considered by the developers. However, as you mentioned, they aren't owned by Sony. They're owned by Activision. Fans and devs wanted them, but Activision wanted an exorbitant amount for them.
I think the best hope for having Crash and Spyro in a platform fighter is to hope they get put on the next Smash. Ultimate already had some non-Nintendo characters and Nintendo has the money to make it happen.
@@Laz3rCat95 Yeah after Banjo-Kazooie and Steve, I think it'll happen since Crash and Spyro are also now owned by Microsoft thanks to the merger. Nintendo has a good relationship with MS so I think Crash and Spyro are shoo-ins for the next Smash.
Regarding PSAS the story is actually really interesting and sad So the Devs Sony gave the project to were mainly experienced on ports They tried to get several big PS related characters but had several issues 1)Some IP holders said no (like Eidos) 2)Some IP holders asked for too much money (like SE with FF characters) 3)Some IP holders wanted specific characters to be added (hence Raiden and Donte instead of Snake and Dante) And finally Sony didn't give them much of a budget to begin with So in conclusion Sony wanted Smash Bros but they didn't want to spend Smash Bros money, something Sakurai has mentioned several times is one of the main issues with each new entry
Dude, I was kinda looking forward to Multiverses by Warner Bros. It had a solid game on release, if a tad bit lacking, but it could have been easily fixed. Unfortunately the unrealistic goals for their devs and extreme push on monetization ended it's career before it even began. I still think a fighting game balanced around 2v2s specifically would be awesome, it's just unfortunate that Multiverses was burnt to the ground before they had even finished building it.
Same, I actually still have MultiVersus but the game never really got me hooked on playing more. When I started playing it, it never taught me the controls of any of the fighters. Instead I think I had to pause a game or go somewhere in the menu to look at the fighters moves. Honestly, the damage% works in the game the same way as Smash Bros.
Idk if this games coming back, but if it does it has to come back with a lot of work on it. No more dodge spammy BS, most characters have enough moves that retain air momentum/verticality and also there is essentially infinite wall hopping so no idea why they need to have two air dodges that you can spam. I also don’t personally love the floatiness, but I don’t think that will change since it’s kind of the DNA. As far as why the game crashed when it did, no it wasn’t just the character release schedule they couldn’t keep up with, it was the various bugs/issues that persisted for months, the fact they were so slow to address ridiculously imbalanced characters (Season 1 Finn was not ok, Stripe on release was NOT ok) Harley took forever to get to a decent spot of balance, and some characters were just no where near as cool as others (Gizmo, although with a decent-ish moveset, is completely underwhelming. How did he get in before Beetlejuice? At least if we’re going with 80’s icons he would have been a more exciting and fun pick, can’t even imagine the moveset they would have given him) Basically it needs a 2.0 overhaul. And it has had the time… it all a matter now on if they put the time to good use. As awesome as NASB 2 ended up being compared to its original game not even a year earlier, I hope that that becomes the similar case for Multi, because there are some awesome characters in this game that I do miss, like IG, Superman, hell I even miss smacking fools with Garnett. But we’ll have to see, and if I’m honest, the silence is deafening, and at the same time, may say a bit more than any of us actually want to hear right now
One recommendation that I'm surprised people weren't mentioning is Jump Super Stars and its sequel Jump Ultimate Stars on the DS. They only came out in Japan and feature a variety of Shonen Jump characters for their rosters as well as an interesting system you create your own manga page using several different panels that give a variety of different effects.
Rivals of Aether, Brawhalla, Towerfall Ascension would be my three platform fighter recommendations for the next one. Rivals is a furry foo fighters game with some crazy good movement and skill expression alongside possibly the wildest mod character roster I've ever seen Brawlhalla takes it's own gimmick and rolls with it in an interesting way Towerfall is a Platform fighter based entirely around bow and arrows. Special arrows and power ups vary the game to a crazy degree and while characters may not be different the things you can do with the movement in it is exxceptional
Rushdown Revolt was a game that experimented with what I think NASB 2 hit perfectly on their slime meter mechanic. In RR, the meter is called "Spark", which lets you do similar things, but you generate spark much more frequently. Every character also has very unique mechanics to them, like their puppeteer character lets you alternate between two no matter where they are, there's a fighter that takes the grappler archetype to the extreme, etc. I think NASB found the perfect balance in having a deep mechanic without the user requiring it as the floor, but if you want to see Guilty Gear Roman Cancels in a plat fighter, Rushdown Revolt can be very rewarding.
Digimon Rumble Arena is one that not a lot of people talk about, but one that is very close to my nostalgia filled heart. If you want a whacky platform fighter with questionable controls, I'd recommend trying it out.
@@chibiterasu7282 and every time I try to introduce people to Digimon, the first thing everyone says is that Digimon is a ripoff even though it’s not and I’m tired of people saying that. Heck, they don’t even know what Digimon is and they already call it a ripoff because it has “Mon” in the title.
The Smash Bros clone I would have the most nostalgia for would be Digimon Rumble Arena 2, which I loved messing around with as a kid. Nowadays it's kinda janky and chaotic to play, but as a fan of the franchise, it's hard not to get some enjoyment in digivolving and seeing the various forms of Digimon fight each other.
I have great memories of the first one, was even the first game I played that made me a Digimon fan at the same time. Reapermon is now one of my favourite Digimon but ironically that was because he has been etched into my soul as one of the most frustrating final bosses of all time. His AI was complete BS, and the only way I could beat him was to keep running in the opposite direction and chipping away at his health bar until I dealt enough damage to Digivolve. But alas I would be dammed if the feeling wasn't great when you finally beat him for the first time, and your reward was getting to play him right away after the arcade ending, and he was just as OP as the AI handled him.
I still love PS all stars and go back to it every now and then (mostly due to nostalgia). Also I loved the stages in that game how it’s one game’s stage and halfway through another game merges into it. I really like this idea.
You forgot the worst part of Playstation All Stars Battle Royale... The fact that the game came with on disk day one DLC... That the computer could and would be used against you in random fights, story mode, and more... Which is pretty scummy
Here’s a few platform fighters to try out: Rivals of Aether - a sequel is coming out next year and the modding community is insane, every character has an element Brawlhalla - gimmick is that everyone has the same moveset except for two weapons they can pick up off the ground Multiversus - currently unplayable but uuuuh Fraymakers - an indie love letter by the makers of Super Smash Flash 2 Super Smash Flash 2 - an incredibly polished fanmade Smash game Brawlout - eh kinda mid I know it exists from an Alpharad video Slap City - I know it exists at least and is apparently really good Shovel Knight Showdown - an official Shovel Knight plat-fighter that gives every character a moveset as if they had their own Shovel Knight games
Slap City is a rather underrated platform fighter, especially because of the "clutch" mechanic allowing for easier tech execution mid-fight, and the fact that it is filled with characters from the developers' IPs, just like Smash. Also Roof Rage and Samurai Gunn 2 deserve a shout-out too
Bro real talk, i couldnt stop laughing listening to every comparison and analogy you made throughout the video. It was awesome. Thanks for this and keep it up
fraymakers is in early access right now but for what it is at the moment, i definitely think you should take a look at it. especially since it's made by the same guys who made super smash flash 2.
Check out Shovel Knight Showdown, it's kind of a platforming fighter but with kind of a party game spin on it. It's designed so that it's not just always just stock battles or most kills, there's also rounds where you win by collecting the most treasure or other rules that apply to just that round. The roster is pretty big too, with nearly every named character in the series and even a couple random enemies playable with their own unique movesets.
Genuine suggestion for a part 2. Super Smash Flash 2. I'm aware a blatant, literal Smash Bros clone (down to the IP and overall game style) might be a bit on the nose but... I say the game's worth covering.
You know, this video made me realize why Smash succeeds as a platform fighter, and it's not limited to the IPs being used, though that helps a lot. The way you defeat your opponents by launching them off the stage is inherently a platforming element, as you need to jump back to the stage. By having the victory and survival element tied to platforming, they can put more emphasis on the movement of the characters, which again, leans into the platforming element. This makes the game feel a lot more natural. This is also why stage hazards are a fun element. The movement is enjoyable making the scramble to evade them or abuse them entertaining in of itself. For reference, look at the classic break the targets stages from melee. They had unique designs that made you use the movements and attacks of each character in an interesting way. Thus, smash succeeds as it's more platformer than fighter, and commits to it.
I really hope you talk about Slap City next. It was made by Ludosity, the devs of Nickelodeon All Star Brawl 1 and 2, starring their own unique cast of quirky characters from their many quirky games.
I highly recommend Slap City! It's the definition of quality over quantity The roster may be small, but each character is so unique with their moveset and personality. The best part is, that it's both for casuals AND competitive players! The stages are extremely wacky and there are a bunch of goofy modes, but it also has amazing gameplay which would make even Melee shake in its boots. You need to try this game! I feel like you would like it
Please do have an entire section dedicated to Rivals of Aether in the sequel of this vid. It's a great game on its own but when you find the stuff that's in the workshop, I'd say the game is almost as good as actual smash bros. Thousands of creations and about half of them are incredibly and surprisingly well designed. Some favorites I have to mention include a Steve (Muno), Mario Pissing (new one), Reimu, Morshu, Jerma, Spamton, Chara, Paper Mario (The Origami King), Gengar, Sanic, Terra, Goku, Crewmate, Untitled Goose, Henry Stickmin, Phoenix Wright, Peashooter, Hotel Mario and Luigi, Mecha Sonic, Ronald McDonald (just HAD to include him here, he's basically the face of Rivals modding) and that's just a fraction of the characters that I personally love and I think you'll like them too. Only issue that I think you'll really have is that the game's main roster is kinda furryish and half of the workshop also contains furryish ocs, however I think they're very well designed both visually and how they play so I think it doesn't matter.
the skooch cant be stopped! another interesting well thought video! so much more fun than the mindless feed most people put out. you're one of the best skooch!
If you liked NASB 2, I'd highly reccomend Slap City, it's made by the same devs. It also has a muscular perry the platypus called "Ultra Fishbunjin 3000" who throws dumbells Aside from that, I'd like to see you cover Rivals of Aether, Brawlhalla, and Fraymakers
It was pretty common knowledge for Nintendo gamers that Samus was a woman for quite some time before 90s kids know was a 90s even was. Welcome to the world.
"If there's any platform fighters I missed that you really want to see me play and talk about please let me know in the comments" Brother I don't know if you're getting bombarded with the recommendation but if you're looking for platform fighter goodness then Rivals of Aether and its upcoming sequel Rivals 2 are definitely worth a look. I'd say NASB2 hits a better balance between casual silliness and competitive sweat, but RoA's execution on that competitive sweat is honestly masterful. Character movement is fast and snappy, tech like wavedashing and hitfalling are made incredibly easy to execute on, stages have a nice amount of variation in terms of layout, and if none of this satisfies you then pop over to the workshop, download Ronald or any of the other crazy mods on there, and have fun with that.
Nobody is mentioning it, so I might as well, TMNT Smash Up, made by some of the same devs that helped with Brawl, also Jump Ultimate Stars on the Nintendo DS
Tower Fall Ascension, and Shovel Knight Showdown are 2 Platform Fighters I love for basically doing their own thing. There isn't a lot of Smash DNA, and they give off arcade cabinet vibes.
YAYY skooch upload!! Christmas time baybieee. The script was actually great for this one, the quality just keeps getting better and better. Thanks for the laughs, sbooch
Don't forget about Neon Genesis Evangelion: Battle Orchestra! Yep, there's an Eva platform fighter. It was only released in Japan for PS2 and PSP. Not only can you play as the EVAs but also the most of the Angels too, which includes the non-humanoid ones like Ramiel and Leliel. Plus, the titular mecha from one of Hideaki Anno's earlier works, Gunbuster, is also featured in the game.
Thank you for this video, Outfoxies used to be on arcade machine at a leisure centre I went to as a kid, I used to love that game but forgot it existed, thanks again for bringing back a little lost memory
Your Only Move Is Hustle is somehow a turn based fighting game with predictions that make it really easy to get into (you can literally check every possible scenario before locking in)
You should try fraymakers, it’s a platform fighter with characters from many indie games. It has characters from franchises such as rivals of aether, oneshot, pizza tower and among us
One Smash bro clone I played was Digimon Rumble Arena for the PS1. One of my friends had it and it was a blast to play. I do know the had 2 game in the series one, but never played them.
This may not be considered a smash clone but there is a 3D 4 player party fighter from the Dreamcast known as Powerstone and its Sequel: Power Stone 2. It was developed by Capcom and it's definitely worth a look.
Don't know if it counts because it's a 3D platform fighter but I put many hours into Shrek Superslam. I think it standouts for it's destructible arenas and unique Challenge Mode which isn't just fighting the whole time and it throws in unique stuff like a parry challenge, race and even a platforming stage. Or if you want a more typical Smash clone I remember playing TMNT Smash Up. It's much more like Smash but Ninja Turtles and the Rabbids from Rayman as guest characters.
The Arc System Works game "Code Shifter" is primarily a platformer, but has a platform fighter multiplayer mode starring their characters. Slap City is the same for Ludosity, and Stardust Valkyries is a small one that people seem to really like.
rivals of aether, slap city, roof rage, rushdown revolt, fraymakers, brawlout, and smack studio are all platfighters i know of, but personally i'd love to see you cover rushdown revolt. Unfortunately its a bit hard to recommend since its a bit buggy and doesn't have many players, but its the game i stuck with the most because of its gameplay. Learning combos was really fun because the game behaves similarly to nickeloden allstars 2, where you can slime cancel moves to link up attack. However in rushdown revolt, you spend "spark" in order to cancel your attacks, and to gain spark all you have to do is hit the opponent, which will lead to a lot of combo game at all times. It is a bit similar to turbo modes in smash mods. Spark can also be used for movement options aswell, you can spend it to super jump, so if you have a hard hitting attack that launches far, you might be able to super jump towards the opponent to still be able to follow up. Rushdown revolt also has some mechanics seen in traditional fighting games. For example instead of having a percent, you have health in this game and you have a one time per stock resource called burst, which is used to get out of combos or to even further extend your combo game. The characters in this game are also very unique and each have their own signature mechanics, which I won't really go over since its a lot. Overall, i think rushdown revolt is really fun gameplay wise, but the menus, bugs, and other things kinda drive people away. (slap city and rivals are also pretty good, but i think no one will talk about rushdown revolt that much)
The old TNT wii game - Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Smash-Up I played it so much as a kid. and maybe skylanders PvP as a honorable mention - it was way better than what it should have
Man this video was a riot from start to finish, great script and delivery, consider me subbed! For the future vid I'd suggest Digimon Rumble Arena 1 & 2, they arent really good but wacky and hilariously unbalanced
4:26 He actually WAS! He was in Smash, and due to licencing reasons, couldn't show up. SO they got the pretty boy replacement instead. It's honestly the PERFECT encapsulation of All Stars
One that I remember from my childhood is some weird game on xbox 360 arcade called "small arms" where you play as these weird animals with guns for arms.
When you were talking about building a meter to perform an only move capable of killing opponents, I was hoping to see Shrek SuperSlam, which is a 3d platform fighter with that mechanic.
There’s Shrek super slam but it’s not really a platform fighter. I remember items, insane heights, a panning camera around the stage as you moved, and cool skins for characters.
I remember I played Punch Time Explosion like one time at a family member’s house and the only thing I could ever remember was the character selection screen.
Fraymakers. It has a unique mecahnic of assists (which kind of just act as a extra move,) but it also has custom content, and doesnt have a lot of content yet but will in the future.
You Smash Bros players need to learn that there’s no ripoffs to Smash Bros. In fact, nowadays people are saying that Smash Bros may have started the Platform Fighter SubGenre.
Digimon Rumble Arena 2! It was one of my favorite Arena Fighters when I was a kid, and it was just cool to digivolve mid game, eventually to your final form. It was hella fun.
Shrek Superstar Slam "that one spinoff party game" that legit died, then randomly out of the blue gained a competitive player-base look it up, its a ride
I can think of four platform fighters for you Skooch, Rushdown Revolt (smash but focusing on the competitive scene), Rivals of Aether (the same but they're still willing to have furries and cartoons), Multiversus (smash but it's a 2v2 four person game which is some actual differences to smash) and Brawlhalla a game I never see not hear, except for when its gigantic prize pools get mentioned. Also bold claims at the start about Smash as a fighting game, many would take that as a declaration of war. Love your stuff.
Rivals of Aether is a solid game to add to the Platform Fighter roster for the next one! I’m a little surprised Multi-Versus wasn’t touched on here, but it could be good for next time :)
A less well known platform fighter that I have had a lot of fun with is Rushdown Revolt. I can't speak for the state of the game now, but I've logged a good amount of hours and the game feels really good to play
I would love to see you review spiderheck, it's a fun game where you swing around and use different weapons to destroy opponents. The movement is satisfying, and there a lot of explosions making it a all around good experience.
thats why characters with super moves where basically they like big daddy's where he floods the stage and makes players float makes it very easy to kill, i remember heihachi supers were all really good.
Imma keep it real the beginning was so good I thought the video was gonna be about smash bros history or something and was hella invested then was reminded what the actual video was. Soooo do a video about smash maybe please?? 😅
Another smash clone I never see anyone talking about is Flash Party, that chinese clone is one of the best because its actually fun to play, even its original characters are likable. Yeah its kinda pay to win because it has permanent boosts for its characters and some can even swap their moves for new and better ones and it being F2P locks most characters, but you can always outskill everyone since it feels somehow fair and the characters you are given are fun to play.
If this video taught me anything, it’s that the platform fighting genre can take on numerous different forms, with some being more powerful and impactful as others. It shouldn’t matter what those competitive try-hards think. All it needs is the following three things: - satisfying controls - attacks with actual impact - a well enough balance between IP’s and OC’s Trust me, with how trigger happy the lawyers of the AAA companies are, it’s inevitable that at least one OC is going to somehow find their way into the next indie platform fighter. How do you think Rivals of Aether got so far?
Great video! I really love it when you talk about a bunch of games of a certain type like this and is just my favorite types of videos you have done I don't know many others besides the ones you talked about that I knew of but here are my recommendations Brawlhalla Multiversus Rivals of Aether Shovel Knight Showdown Slap City
slap city is nuts, a lot are saying Rivals of Aether, Multiversus is a really interesting look at platform fighters since it wants to be 2v2, Fraymakers is a good clone that relies on Indie devs rather than large IPs- check those out!
