Agreed. I also totally agree with the sentiment of don't fix it if it's not broken. The fact there is so much variety in the game and almost every weapon has different attack animations is enough for me.
I was one of the people who were concerned about the reused animations, but then a friend said, "There's only so many ways to swing a sword before it just starts to look silly."
@@philliphotmer5603 Tbf, this is a game with demigods, giant crabs, undead demons and also a giant finger weapon. I think the swords are just made to hit as satisfyingly and as optimally as possible. Only so much realism you can have in a game like this.
@@jsh7939 thas the thing they don't have a satisfying or "optimal" swing in a lot of peoples eyes because we know what they SHOULD look like. What you said is like saying, hey its fine if they add flying and shooting lasers from your eyes because the game is already unrealistic so those things don't make the game less realistic. Mainly my point is that for me personally and it seems others, regular swords and greatswords are just simply not fun to use in their current state as opposed to curved swords, spears, and other weapon types and I think they could be extremely fun if only with a few tweaks. Maybe that guy you replied to was seeking realism but I think most seek fun
@@jsh7939 you miss my point my guy, I want my knight to look like a trained swordsman I don't want him committing egregious amounts of overswinging when I finish an attack, I don't want him to slam the tip of a bastard sword into the ground damaging the tip.
People are already putting it in GOTY status, as well as calling it a masterpiece, and one of/if not the best game of all time. Definitely far from Cyberpunk lol...
@@dont5363 I never said it's the greatest game I ever played though...I'm mentioning the opinions of others and not my own. If that's garbage to you then so be it, I'll respect that opinion, everyone can make opinions.
@@dont5363 If he loved Cyberpunk more than Elden Ring then just let him be. But he should let us be. For me the best game ever created is Bioshock, yet that doesn’t mean others will approve and that’s completely ok, that’s why video games have genres and styles.
Elden ring being out and having so much success has shown one simple truth. Gamers, critics and developers seem really disconnected and from software has become one of the exception clearly showing they understand gamers very well. They excel is the things that truly matter
Yeah me and all my friends think game play is far more important than graphics. As Long as it's beautiful the graphics aren't that important. It's what would sway half a point at best. Shoot if we listened to these critics fortnite would be one of the worse games out there. Which it is. But it's one of the most popular of all time.
@@alexhutchins6161 gameplay will always trump graphics. The Talos Principle is a graphically beautiful game but it doesn't run well on the switch unless you bring the graphics options in.
The only way to know if a game WILL be good pre-release is if the developers themselves are confident with their game. For example Fromsoftware gave a whole beta test copy for reviewers to and critics alike to show it off around social media and weren't afraid of raw trailers unlike the cyberpunk 2077 situation. If the game will be bad, here are a few red flags you should probably notice: 1) heavily scripted trailers 2) no pre-release gameplay 3) promises that no one can really achieve 4) developers with bad reputation (project red, all Ubisoft studios etc) 5) devs and publishers trying to overhype you.
@@alexhutchins6161 yeah and they have extremely good reputation. But I knew this game would be good once I saw the amazingly positive reaction of RU-vidrs and reviewers (which also weren't sponsored )
The gameplay reveal did nothing but make me so much more excited for the game. I guess it's not for everyone, but the game is exactly what I have always wanted. A massive open world Souls game, with seamless traversal into massive castles, dungeons, etc.
@@FalseOrbit I almost puked at the atrocious graphics and textures and clunky animations and copious amounts of clipping and the shitton of reused (copy&pasted) assets..
I'm 220 hours deep and I've already gone into NG+ ...my mind remains blown that I'm STILL finding things I missed after going out of my way to explore everything as completely as I could. The fact that the game renders so much of the world simultaneously, with acceptable load times and overall fair FPS for the visual quality, is impressive.
Changing for the sake of changing is an AWFUL concept. FromSoftware knows exactly what they're doing (and I can only agree...), they have something that works and that is GOOD, why change? They're expanding and improving other things. Why change? Why risk to make something worse? And trust me... the complaints of people saying "why did you have to change that? It was so good before!", very unnecessary. Elden Ring is clearly a souls game, that's why it plays like a souls game, there's nothing wrong about that unlike Sekiro where everything is different. If anything please make more 10 Elden Rings, as long as their quality delivers I'm down, complaining about animations? reused assets? WHAT?
Precisely. Last I checked elden ring is a souls game, not a Sekiro game where they take a new setting. So essentially Elden ring delivers exactly what they promised to deliver: "open world darksoul with castle, dungeon and bosses to fight and explore"
As a player new to the franchise, i havent noticed any reused animations due to not having played the other titles. I feel like many other new players would never notice this either
"Look they're reusing animation, Fromsoftware is a bunch of lazy pricks!" "So you're saying a skeleton tapping it's skull to make sure it stays put is not the greatest thing ever?
My biggest thing here is that is such a standard thing with anything that has animation. Think COD didnt reuse a bunch from game to game? Even in the earlier more liked titles. Hell disney during the disney Is Renaissance the height of their animation fame reused shit through like 6 different movies. Anybody who knows how time consuming animation is knows that just one of these weapon animations can easily take hours to make you take the fact that there's probably Is about 500+ unique animations ( low balling) then damn ill give them a pass on reusing some
@@kellendreas7384 you act like nobody bitches about reused assets in other titles and I'll tell ya, thats just complete ignorance. I stopped playing/buying call of duty games after world at war, because every single one played exactly the same and were quite literally reskins of previous titles.
@@343guiltyreflex It costs time, money and people to create brand new things. The same people would complain about lack of content if resources were diverted to new animations instead. Not saying FS shouldn't attempt to, but it's easy for us to say something should be so without seeing the costs. They could alter what they built already and people will be none the wiser. :D
@@thanman6584 The only animation that could have reused straight sword in BB was Ludwig's Holy Blade 1-handed mode. The first 2 attacks are comparatively similar to DS3's straight sword attack. This is off the top of my head and I can't be sure after looking into it. ^^;;
This also just proves to me yet again that people like to think they know a lot more about game development than they do. The fucking gall to call FS lazy because you recognize some animations when they've made an entire massive open world with tons of new and unique enemies and locations is so insane to me.
They have even improved the graphics quality, not just in texture resolution, but also in shaders. They're now using PBR Shaders which are really well implemented. To prove my point, one can go at different times and weather conditions from Church of Elleh to the Gatefront. Even if the level of detail system is far from perfect (it's just not well-suited for an open world) the Art-Direction together with these PBR effects just looks stunning good, it fits all together: Grass colours and height together with trees and stones, as well as light scale.
People will simultaneously scream in defense of overworked game devs, and then call them lazy for not putting in more work then they have to. This game is absolutely gorgeous, the lighting alone just makes me happy, the shaders mentioned by Alex are just ::chef's kiss::, everything just works smoothly and seamlessly, and for a game this size, it's a definite achievement.
@@kay94 Reusing many assets to make a new game is a thing. Having nothing more to put on the table is another. If Valhalla was my first assassin's creed, I would say it's amazing. But having played Odissey before, and not having finished it because the game was too big for what it had to offer already ... I think I agree with people complaining about reusing the same assets. The game has to offer a different experience. And that's what Elden Ring does despite 80% its animations being reused from older games.
@@kay94 hardly disagree with u. The 1st 50 hours into this game i can say, the game isnt 10/10 but nowhere lower than 8.5/10, some part i can say its 9/10 or even went back to 10/10. whatever i really enjoy this, but after that, it went downhill and stay around 7/10 and there is a point i can say the game went low to 5/10. After 104 hours i finally finished it and feel a little bit disapointed. So many repeated bosses, even the main bosses arent fun to play, they have cheap move that was designed to kill u in a dirty way rather than just simply challenging, you can say that is also challenging but where s the fun part ? its not fun. ds3 bosses were hard but fun at the same time, make u want to fight them again, i dont think i would ever want to fight bosse in ER again. Catacombs and dugeons, every single one has different structures but yet feel the same, the more i play the more i rush and skip, just want it to end. And the soundtrack is the worst in souls franchi, even ds 2 has more better tracks.
@@kay94 i havent played deS and BB only becus i dont have playstation but u can sure i play the rest of them. Not that other games dont have flaw but the total experience is immensive that i can let it slide. Ds1 , my problem with that game is the last half isnt as excited as the first but hell still better than the entire ds2. Ds 1 level design is second to none. Ds3 is just 1score below ds1 but holy the boss fight and the soundtrack, the moment u capable enough to go toe to toe with the boss i feel like a duel dance. Feel fucking good. And sekiro boots the dance from 1 to 10, i have to make seperate file save just so i can go back and fight bosses again. But ER...it has some good part of ds3 but worst part pf ds2. Bosses was designed to kill u rather than challenging, u died cus of being played rather than u not good enough.
Elden Ring feels like a perfect game to me. It feels to me like they've spent 10 years finely honing the skills and mechanics to make a timeless game, Sekiro and Bloodborne were just informative to the creation of Elden Ring as the Souls series was.
Yep. They took everything that worked well from the previous 6 games, boiled it down into good game juice, discarded the rest and then injected that good game juice in a massive open world
I kind of get the complaint though and it did take me out of it a few times myself. Constantly amazed at how much love and care they've put into just about every detail and then there's this one in your face aspect that they've obviously cheaped out on. It's not the end of the world, but it's like a dirty footprint marring an otherwise spotless marble floor that I wish I didn't notice.
@@bighex5340 I don't see how you guys can say this. I'm 80 hours in, determined to at least finish it since I've beaten all Soulsborne games, and I'm hugely disappointed. They reuse the same bosses over and over, same crypts, same caves, same wooden cabin with 2 steps to the right literally ripped out of DS3. The game is open world with nothing to really explore. The open world does nothing but artificially drag out game time. The line of progression is so vague, I'm either vastly overpowered for an area or severely underleveled. There is never a time I feel evenly matched with enemies. I feel like 80% of my game time is riding a horse on grass while the other 20% is actually progressing. Yet why do I explore in the first place when the only thing to find is reused catacombs? Literally fought the 4th variation of Erdtree Burial Watchdog today and I heard there's even more. I actually laughed out loud when I fought a 2nd ancestor spirit reindeer. Fought my 3rd red dog that casts sorceries too, heard there's more. Fought my 5th dragon boss with the exact same moveset but different color. Guess what? Heard there's even more. You've gotta be coping and lying to yourself if you think this game holds a candle to the masterpiece that was Bloodborne.
@@jackzen4547 this is an open world game like breath of the wild. A lot of people give botw a 10/10. It kind of has the same nuance's that you say with elden ring. If you don't like the game for those reasons then you have the right to your own opinion. But there are a lot of us that enjoy this type of game. Let us enjoy it.
@@tommieboi707 he's not saying you can't enjoy it he's offering some valid criticisms. The open world has pros and cons and for elden ring the cons are repeated bosses and a lot of caves that honestly serve no purpose but to fill space along with actually useful items being extremely few and far between. These are all valid criticisms that should be voiced so that the next game can continue to improve. Admitting something is far from perfect doesn't mean your saying it shouldn't be loved or people are wrong to enjoy themselves with it. Despite it's flaws the game is still very fun and that's whats important
This is a great example of the quote “if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it”. every souls game kept aesthetics and expanded upon them. Each game resulted in an evolution until fromsoft got to where they are today. Fans love originality AND innovation, and fromsoft has never failed to deliver
@@Lupus-iv7jp Exactly, the game releases in near on 4 months. For how little we see recycled, I have fairly little doubt that a good chunk of it will end up replaced.
Some last gen games had set the bar pretty high is all. Makes sense cause it seems like they will often really start optimizing and push a last gen console to its actual limits with games approaching a new gen release. Then when newer games come out able to utilize the new consoles they often don't meet a graphics bar because the really good looking games for that console won't be coming out til near the end of its life. A game like Forbidden West looks pretty good but it's not like they couldn't do it last gen aside from the 4k.. that 4K really makes a difference though just like how going from low resolution to highest resolution makes an old crappy looking game look amazing by comparison. Elden Rings seems like it has good enough graphics for the kind of game it is but in that department there are some things I've seen that look like hot ass graphics from 10 years ago trying to blend with fairly modern high resolution stuff.
Elden Ring could very easily be the best game I've played, and I'm Happy Miyazaki decided to reuse souls assets, because that allow them to focus in the stuff that makes Elden Ring unique and special, besides it also makes the game feel familiar while at the same time, having its own voice and character.
I really like your ending statement, that the animations are there because fromsoft thinks they’re good and don’t need to be changed. It’s a shame that people immediately think that because something is old or reused they’re bad. It feels like people don’t even consider that the animations could be there for a reason other than “we’re lazy and don’t want to make new animations”
They used old animations that were doing good and added new features. Why create something new when something is working currently? Game pace looks perfect
You also have to ask, for say the repost, exactly how do they want them to change the animation? Will it really make a game better if they chop for the head first this time instead of gut? Sneak from behind, it’s either the back Stan or go back to waiting a year each time like DS2 because it’s got to go through multiple strikes to finish, which you just wouldn’t do in real life, you’d stab them in the back ffs. Then weapon animations, sure you can change each weapons animations but the animations are still limited and will just end up being basically the same animations but on different weapons, it’s all pointless, time consuming and expensive when you can just reuse animations that are perfectly fine already and put that time and money into a genuinely new feature like the horse, jump, that horse riding boss that looks like two separate NPC’s. That would take so much work if they are separate NPC’s. That dude with multiple hands, he has fingers on each hand, imagine the amount of bones involved in animating that guy!
I don’t get it, the graphics *do* look great, this game is going to be amazing. Not a single thing in the trailer looks recycled and they have the game of thrones author (George R.R. Martin) working on the lore? It’s a huge open world filled with secrets, enemies and things to explore; I don’t understand how this game could possibly be bad Edit: I was right
Grr only laid the foundation fam dont give him too much credit. He himself said so in an interview which you can find in youtube. Fromsofts weakpoint is their technical prowess in terms of graphics. Their art is incredible and does make up for it.
I finaly discovered the Soul's games with the remake of Demon's Souls and I have to say that the expectation I had about these games that it would make me frustrated and that they were just made for people that don't like fun was totally wrong ! It was a long time I didn't felt so much inside a game and hypnotized by the mood and the Lore of it. Also I had never felt so proud finishing a game before and I'm a 34 yo gamer since the SNES. The Art direction is really good and people that are whining about graphics just don't understand Art. Art direction and gameplay make great games. I'm a concept designer trained by Feng Zhu in Singapore so trust me. Ultra realistic graphics are worth nothing if your game sucks. Just take the UE5 demo in Matrix. Great photography, jaw's dropping amount of objects on screen with photorealistic textures. No game, no mecanic, no Art direction. Bored in 2 min. Elden Ring have a great Art Direction just like every soul's. Therefore it's a beautiful game, end of discussion. Anyway, my first point was that I just discovered these games and so, I ve never played the dark souls serie or Bloodborne or Sekiro. So I really don't care they used the same animations cause It would be a whole new game for me ! Ahahah
Welcome to the community friend, we're the most wholesome and most toxic you'll ever meet. We'll help you get through areas help with builds but when it's time to battle its for blood. I've made a great deal of friends in the soulsborne community and many enemies. I look forward to invading you. (I'm 25 and started playing games on the nes when I was 3 so that was funny to me)
@@ralcogaming7674 Youngin's :) I'm 42 and playing Dark Souls back in 2013, after a major event in my life, renewed my passion for what games could be. I'm glad I'm not the only "old dude" in this community. I'm glad someone like Miyazaki decided to get into game design. We need more like him. My first console was the Sega Master System and I too feel some pride in finishing these games.
As a die hard Souls fan, this demo was everything I wanted it to be. It looks gorgeous to me. It's a massive open world, it was never going to look like DS remake.
1000% 10 plays on d S1 6 on ds2 36 on ds3 3 on sekiro I have hundreds of hours on souls games and THIS hits everything I wanted in Elden ring. Only 20 mins in and I love it
The only the this game dosent seem to have that I really want/wanted was the deflect system from sekiro. Not as the main combat system, but as an option for the people that wanted it. Maybe allow us to use it for katana style weapons.
Literally all the effort for the demon's souls remake went towards upgrading the graphics and animations, while leaving it the same clunky mess mechanically it was a decade ago. From is making an actual full game; mechanics, world, story and all. The two are simply not comparable.
@@mint5438 I love sekiros combat to death but I feel it would be hard to balance that alongside the standard dark souls / bloodborne style of things. Maybe there’s a way to do both but I don’t blame them focusing on one instead
@@mint5438 I'm pretty sure there is a similar deflect. In the 2nd trailer after the player character blocked with I think it was a sort of greatsword they immediately followed up with a counter attack.
The gameplay of elden ring is exactly what i imagined it was going to be, the world and dungeons however exeeded my expectations. The jump button seems to play a way bigger role in traversal and gameplay than i originally thought. I couldn’t be more happy
I have to admit seeing how big some dugeons are (Storm Veil Castle mainly) I am afraid that the sheer size will drain me, I'm still excited but I am still worried about if I'll get bored of exploring such huge dungeons.
@@austinbyrd4164 well if the level Design is like ds1 first half or ds3 Exploration should be engaging enough and i think its also one of those games where you will find something new with every playthrough
It’s so crazy to come onto the internet and see comments like that, because I played Elden Ring completely blind and never watched a single trailer. I never even played a FromSoftware game before. It instantly became one of my top games, and every moment wowed me. The graphics, art direction, combat, and open world are all top tier.
people don't know what they want, and developers/designers that cave-in to the clamor of idiots end up with a subpar product Dark souls in an open world setting is something I've been looking forward to for -so long- I'm grateful they're being careful with implementing it and gradually developing it into the ideal form
From softwares games have never been at the pinnacle of graphics tech. Their art direction and overall atmosphere are what separates them from the pack. I think What makes people upset is the fact that ever since the ps5 and Xbox series X have come there hasn't been a game that has shown off a generational leap. Maybe they were expecting this game to be that showcase game but that's not what from soft do. They make a game that combines great elements (art direction, graphics, gameplay, atmosphere) to make a memorable game.
Yea but it would’ve been nice if it looked a bit better. You are right about the ps5 and Xbox, I was looking forwards to see something a bit better. I’m not gonna stop liking the game I love all the souls but is just a bit disappointing
@@paintorian2064 the fact that the gameplay shown was on PC shows you are just trolling. Meanwhile PC has yet to do anything beyond next gen consoles without having to upscale in some fashion
I don’t see it. Visuals are on target especially with the scale of what this game is going to be. It’s going to run great all the way through and still be pretty.
There are a few game developers whose motives, by this time, I trust implicitly. Yoko Taro, Hideo Kojima (I didn't like Death Stranding but I am so happy that it exists as a concept because we desperately need innovation), supergiant games (no I could not care less about finishing Pyre but I bought the game anyway so as to vote with my money) and finally Hidetaka Miyazaki. No hate intended to folks who are just voicing their concerns but people who would suggest that Fromsoftware are lazy developers are simply living on a different planet than I am.
I like that you mentioned Pyre from Supergiant. Your opinion of the game is noted, but I actually enjoyed that game quite a bit. My stance on the subject at hand is similar to yours, and I truthfully find the similar animations to DS3 great, as it tickles that little bit of nostalgia I have for the game.
It’s an easy fix. Don’t use weapons that have similar animations to DS3 if you’re thaaaat worried about it. I actually appreciate a little familiarity because Sekiro was hard as hell with the learning curve, but not everyone sees that way. Not to mention animations would be one of the easier things to change if the outlash really does hurt the identity of the game. And let’s be honest, half of y’all used the straight sword on your first pt on DS3 so something tells me it’ll be a similar thing with ER.
I agree. If a ER sword is similar to a DS sword, can you really call it lazy that they used the same animations? Its only logical. Bloodborne nor Sekiro would have this problem because from a gameplay perspective, they are far different from anything that has come before. Elden Ring wants to change the way you play Dark Souls, by adding spells, summons, the enviroment. Sure, you can play it like Dark Souls, but it simply doesnt feel like Dark Souls, you have to experience it to get it.
@@Venomonomonom If you have a problem with recycled animations, then yes. Fundamentally, it is a meaningless critque. It only matters if the animation is bad or good. If it is good, then I'd pray that it will be recycled.
I had been worried that FromSoft's relatively small development team wasn't big enough to make all the content for a large open world game. So when I saw the game play footage, my immediate thought was "wow, they were really smart and focused on adding the new content and not reworking elements that were fine in previous games." Given a team of devs, you can only make so many animations in a given time period. So every animation they reused is an animation that they got to add to some other part of the game. Makes me excited to see them.
I love how the animation feels familiar. Some people might call that lazy or bad design, but it really just feels like a hallmark of Fromsoft's design. It feels good. It feels reliable. When you play a Fromsoft game and have that inherent familiarity go straight to your fingertips, it feels like you're getting rewarded for the time investment you've made in them. They're not reinventing the wheel, they're just improving, inch by inch, how it feels to ride on it. I mean, if Megaman can be a game tens of times over where you go through levels with the same arm cannon, fight a collection of bosses, gain their powers, and then go through a final super level to beat a familiar final boss, with fun tweaks to the game play made over time, all while feeling utterly familiar, friendly, and challenging at the same time... then why the fuck not with Souls games too?
@@Valiant_Requiem agreed, the animations are also a reason I couldn't get into DkS2, since animations in that were motioncapped due to time constraints, hence they look so cumbersome and funny. FSs animators are geniuses at their jobs.
Graphics have gotten to the point that you really don't need the highest textures and fidelity, as long as the lighting works with it to convey an engaging atmosphere. Honestly I'd be more happy with companies just focusing on framerate now.
I'd be happy if they focused more on actual content in their games now instead of graphics. Games have been like supermodels a lot lately, very attractive but very malnourished.
Exactly, Bloodborne is still gorgeous and much better looking than the overwhelming majority of games that have come out since. Art style and lighting is key. Imagine if it ran at 60fps
I very much am glad that I randomly discovered and watched one of your vids yesterday because the more I watch you the more I like: 1) the way you make your videos 2) The calm way you speak 3) And the fact that I usually end up opening my mind to change and thus evolve, one way or another, constantly reminding me that there is always more than meets the eye with things I may be already be judging severely
Elden Ring has given me something within a game that I NEVER actually thought would legitimately happen outside of my one hype-riddled musing that I say with every title I am hyped for. I am legitimately afraid that I am never going to be able to experience forthcoming games the same. I have always been a slow player, but.....I can feel myself intentionally avoiding things and repeating location returns under the lie of "accidents". I have never played a game where I actually wanted to go back to something I already explored from the absolute top to bottom, in order to inspect it clean again. This game just feels so rewarding, like, man......the previous game design of FromSoft already included the mysticism and consequence of scale. The way that FromSoft has been able to vary exploration and discovery in both small and large spaces is just incredible; the intricacy and layout of Elden Ring's structuring feels so much more liberating and....softer feeling than the other games, in which turning a corner feels strikingly similar to the disruption of stumbling into a very annoying schoolmate twenty years later at the grocery store when all you needed to grab was a bag of shredded cheese, and you're just stuck there, in the purgatory of the future. Slight spoiler (I don't know, it's hella vague, so please don't come for me 😂), but I was in a very large, deep sewer area recently (oh, if you know, trust me, you KNOW), and, Jesus H. Christ, did I underestimate its size. I got lost for hours, but not once did I feel irritated because of being able to constantly translate my real-time directional "flow" in my brain directly to my movement. The sense of curvature to these locations (we can probably owe it to the environmental design deliberately diversifying the architecture for both aesthetic and gameplay) makes my experience embody the present and feel proactive much, much more since one can engage a much more physical and hands-on approach to critical thinking. The game's facet of "learning" has felt wholly kinetic. I dunno about you guys, but I am a strictly auditory learner and can never remember or apply something as proficiently as when I hear it. Ths dialogue is conventionally and purposefully vague, the FromSoft standard, but, with the exponentially larger map and variance in building composition and dimensions, I found it even more difficult to interpret locations of areas and NPCs. I am a staunch guide despiser (only for myself, hold onto your comets), and Elden Ring as a result is almost equally hard for me outside of combat! Talk about mega suckage on my part, but it blows me away that this game has captured "scope" and "denisty" as more than just being really, really, really big. There is largeness whose complexity is never sacrificed. The small places always seem to capture spatial variety really well, too, where some small locations are not limited to merely being tight and claustrophobic. I can take a rubber band, doing the thing where I squish it in on itself so that it gets those little sine waves. Shrunken, but fiercely dynamic. Elden Ring says, "Don't just think in the moment. Play in it, too." It's like they did everything they could to create a cohesive experience that you will remember in its entirety. Not just a broken mirror of memories. Oh, and I have died to fall damage in this game more than any other game I have ever played in my life 😂. There. I hope that comment was excrutiatingly annoying, but not in the traditional way. This video and the game rock. Thank you for your insights 💜!
“Should be a standalone expansion” damn I didn’t know expansions added horseback combat, an open world, and whole new vibrant color scheme with dynamic weather and day/night cycles lol
I genuinely appreciate the fact that FromSoft still operates like a small studio making niche games. By being economical with their assets and animations, it allows them to get more creative elsewhere. They don't need to rebuild every game from scratch, they just need to iterate and improve on what they've already created, and that's what makes their games so consistently good. So go ahead. Reuse every asset you can. I think it's fun to see how pieces of code or artwork can be directly traced back all the way to Demon's Souls
Exactly, by not spending that much time in small stuff like some animations they have time to spend in other stuff like level design, which is undeniably more important
Help that assets typically take up an insane bulk of the budget, less new assets you need to make, more funds you have to pour into gameplay and other stuff. Animations especially since they have a really long and costly pipeline... Hell most developer's recycle animations, from software are just not trying to hide it.
@@Macapta They have with Sekiro. They already have proven themselves that they are very capable of creating an entirely new set of assets and animations at a high quality. But they did that because Sekiro is a very different game. Elden Ring is quite similar to Dark Souls so they have no reason to create an entirely new set of assets.
Great commentary! How you addressed and responded to the graphics complaint was excellent. You offer a life-lesson on how to listen and respond to differing opinions with honesty and sincerity that derives from genuinely wanting to understand their position, not necessarily refute it.
Games aren’t made timeless by strong graphics because other studios will eventually catch up. Games are made timeless by strong, memorable and impactful art design.
There actually is a generational leap shown with Elden Ring. It’s just subtle, but it is apparent to me as a longtime console game lead programmer and designer (co-founder Naughty Dog). In Dark Souls, while the art design was always fabulous, the engine with just good, not great like TLOU or God of War. But they still used extremely careful and crafty level design to showcase very large open vistas that depicted areas you could get to and were available in the game. However, those distant areas couldn’t be directly approached from the vista viewpoint, you had to wind your way through the convoluted levels in between. In this progression the viewpoint was always carefully managed so as not to overwhelm the amount of detail either required in memory or pushed through the render pipeline. Likely, when you look down from high up and see the swamp far below it’s a low polygon replica of the swamp. In Elden Ring, this appears different, with a much larger amount of background assets connected into one less linear virtual level. Even still, they probably need lower polygon versions of far away chunks, and it’s highly unlikely you can spot the hollows on the battlements of a distant castle, but the Ps5/Xbox X can push enough through the pipe to render a far less toy variant and far more numerous actors than previous generations. The ER open design just wasn’t even possible on the PS3 and would be marginal (which big compromises) on the PS4. FromSoftware is also a very efficient team. They reuse assets for 2 reasons, as you mentioned that they think it already works, and also to create emotional familiarity for players. This is most prominent in sound fx. Bloodborne, utter masterpiece that it is, and differently styled, borrows so many sounds from DS. But there is a deep emotional connection now to those sounds, like the sound of touching a bonfire/lamp or the use of a flask etc. it’s both instantly familiar and resonant.
Also, i don't know how big From Soft is but they are nowhere near as big as other AAA devs. Ubisoft can have multiple studios working on an Assassin's Creed game. Naughty Dog or Santa Monica could take like 5-6 years to develop a single game. From Soft and Miyazaki worked on 2 games and the DS3 DLCs since DS3 came out in 2016 AND they are supposedly working on more than one game if rumors about a xbox exclusive are true.
If you actually hack into Fromsoft’s games and go out of bounds, you will find that even on older systems, they put a ton of effort into the backgrounds and low polygon versions of faraway areas, as far back as the original Demon’s Souls. They put a lot of effort into making their worlds as concise and whole as possible, which you really don’t find in the vast majority of studios. Elden Ring already looks gorgeous as it is, I am interested in seeing how they are adapting their backgrounds to next gen tech.
Im so happy Miyazaki stands his ground and isn't freaking out about all of the opinions that really don't matter. He understands that true art is in the making and I couldn't be more excited to play it! These are going to be the slowest 3 months of my life lol
Its going to be a good game but lets not pretend it's "true art". That is some obnoxious gamer slang. Elden ring doesn't really innovate,and i'm fine with that. But it's not true art.Just a good game.
@@jeanvaljean6433 depends on your version of art. Arts meant to be many things.. whether it'd be a game, the lore behind it, the artistry of the game overall is extremely appealing to me. I call an in depth story that drags you in with stunning visuals to back it up, art🤷🏻♂️ im a big fan of FS, what can I say
On top of the open world being a huge part on how er is different, it also DRAMATICALLY changes the combat, no more will people spam r1! Now since the hidden posture bar is a thing, you have to string different kinds of attacks together Ex. R1x2, r2, jump, r2 There is a video talking about how that is more effective than r1 r1 r1 r1
Even if you are just standing at a cliff and stare at everything off in the distance the game looks like a painting brought to life it just baffles me that some people look at that and think it's bad 👎 😕
"This is gonna be Cyberpunk all over again" I don't see 100000 trailers for the game each describing a feature in the game in minute detail. I have no idea what some people expected. When people say "Bluepoint outclassed them", what they MEAN is "This Game doesn't look truly next gen haha graphics bad" No disrespect to Bluepoint, they did an amazing job, but it's literally just a shot for shot remake, not an entirely new game. Also, i can't believe we're still having this discussion in 2021. I personally liked the Gameplay a lot, and i am looking very much forward to playing. It's exactly as i imagined.
Bruh bluepoint is literally just remaked demon souls and its not their game in the first place Bluepoint games specialty is remaking games as well but these dudes just keeps on complaining and complaining
I think the main problem is an inherent misunderstanding of what Elden Ring is among the community. It’s not meant to be Bloodborne or Sekiro, nor is it meant to be DS4. It’s taking everything that From has learned with the previous entries and evolving it to fit on this huge plane. Like Miyazaki said, every single piece of this game is shaped around the idea of being a true open world. On a related note, it seems like people aren’t paying as much attention to the intricate details in the combat as I’d have hoped. Barely anyone I’ve seen has commented on the multi-hitting attacks on weapons, driving your weapons further into the enemy when given the chance. You can parry with weapon blocks, shields seem to function similar to the Lance from MH, the hit box on that enemy’s spear was IMPECCABLE. I struggle to care about the reusing of a deathblow animation when the combat system as a whole seems to have been dragged up by the roots and polished to a golden sheen. I’m not saying that you can’t complain about such things, but I feel as though some fans are missing the forest for the trees here. And I will absolutely not abide by anyone saying From is lazy, that’s a step too far. Also I’m just…so tired of the graphical comparisons at this point. Every time I see a current gen, open world game get its pixel count compared to a PS5 exclusive remake I start to feel closer and closer to Micolash.
To your point about new mechanics I really liked the summoning specific spirits it'll be really cool to make like space it's like a spirit summon Sorcerer build that's something we've never seen in any from software game
I think just at the end of the day, we want bloodborne 2, imagine open world bloodborne like elden ring, they are so close to achieving this perfect game formula that when combined with possible future titles, could be INSANELY awesome. i believe each game since bloodborne has been trying to achieve this open world with classic souls fighting, along with choice of stealth-if desired, or choice of dimension when going from point A to point B, etc.. I am excited to see what fromsoft will bring to us in the future. Our eyes have yet to open
I understand the sentiment here, but burn out from titles like Far Cry and Assassin's creed show that maybe it'd be nice to practice a few more punches haha
@@veraseb honestly, you can't compare ubisoft games to from software games, because you can't identify much difference between assassin's creed games or all the far cry. Ubisoft uses the same formula with little tweaks between games, the only real change between them is the storyline. From software is always experimenting and trying to see what they can do, even when they "fail" (I don't consider dark souls II a failure), they learn a lot from it. For the same reason you can't compare cyberpunk to elden ring. CD went from a third person game, medieval environment, sword combat to a futuristic world, first person shooter. When talking about from software, I'm pretty sure they take safe steps ahead, without exposing theirselves too much in risk.
@@veraseb I get that, I think from soft does a good job of practicing new punches though, they just practice 2-3 new punches per game. I think what people may be missing is that elden ring has been planned for years and from soft wanted to add new mechanics but had no way of testing them out. The solution was games like bloodborne and sekiro that put new mechanics, playstyles etc. Under a new ip so they wouldn't be associated with DS and let DS fans down if they didnt work. From those games they got to watch the fanbase and see what they really liked and then added the favorite mechanics to elden ring. On top of the mechanics added from bloodborne and sekiro this game has mounted combat, open world, new story, customized summoning system, crafting, and, im sure, a host of other new mechanics. The reason why From Soft continually puts out high quality games is because each previous game is the foundation for the next one. That makes a very robust, albeit slowly evolving, always satisfying experience. This is why people should listen when miyazaki says this is an "evolution" of DS. An evolution is t a different beast, it is the original beast with some mutations, go over enough mutations and you end up with a different beast entirely. In that respect Elden Ring is a very different beast from Demon Souls (or even DS1)
"Good graphics" in general is a stupid term cause how realistic something is doesn't determine how good it is. What matters is the art direction and how it's executed in relation to the gameplay
All I wanted was something simmilar to the old games in an open world with new secrets to uncover. My only complaint is lack of Fashion souls in the game, really limits nice looking armor combination. But I love that you can alter some garments which could have been taken further as in changing metal tint and colors.
I didn't expect to love this game as much as I do. What a game. It's like complaining the Harry Potter books contain the same characters. It's bloody brilliant once you get into it.
Recycling of resources is probably the only reason Fromsoftware could even tackle such an ambitious project. If people were asked "Hey we wanna make an Open-world soulslike, its very ambitious so we might have recycle resources" all these people wouldve approved.
So true, when I saw the reused assets it only reaffirmed to me that the game is going to be big. I couldn't care less about the graphics (ds1 looks better than ds3 for me) and the reused animations is annoying but will never be a deal breaker.
@@colbyboucher6391 @ErikOnNoobTube Another pro-ds1 right here. Best artistic, graphical presentation of the entire series. Wish they could somehow recreate, someday
I kind of wish they recycled DS2 torch lighting, a X360 could handle the game casting shadows from the torch but it looks like a PS5 or current system can't. Will this game have day/night cycle (and i don't mean going to a specific location to have weather change, i mean dynamic day/night cycle)?
I honestly think that the re-used animations is a sign that Fromsoft is further streamlining their game development process. From what little I know, it seems like the earlier Souls games had incredibly rushed developments, especially Dark Souls 2, because of how many new things they wanted to make, and how little time they had to do it well. Even Bloodborne seems to have had a bit of a wonky development, and they only reason it probably isn't more noticeable is because Sony was backing the project, giving Fromsoft more money, and probably more man power, to work with. But so by re-using animations that are deemed "good", Fromsoft is saving themselves a lot of time to work on arguably more important things, like updating the engine and creating the world
Couldn't have said it better, also, just because a game re-uses animations, it doesn't mean it is a copy or that it is going to be bad, I mean there is tons of new mechanics and animations, it is a whole new open world and they had to code, animate, etc... I really think this is gonna turn out very well, fromsoftware never dissapointed us, some releases were a bit bad, I am looking at you DM remake, but excluding a few releases they have been releasing only masterpieces, and it dates back to 1993 I mean take a look at from software older games and you will see how even then they had their diferences from the main market, anyways, it might be the hype taking over me but it doesn't matter, I trust from software 100%, unlike other companies.
"Even Bloodborne seems to have had a bit of a wonky development, and they only reason it probably isn't more noticeable is because Sony was backing the project" If Sony truly gave From a lot of money and time to work with they would not have made covenants so bare bones. The game would have had even more weapons/armor etc., more varied chalice dungeons, more areas/enemies/bosses than the Dark Souls games, but the trilogy has far more meat on all aspects compared to Bloodborne so it seems to be that Bamco gives From far more manpower and time compared to Sony.
Yep. It'd be different if they said that they were creating all the animations from scratch and then copy-pasted a lot, but FS never said anything like that. I'm just glad that they're focusing on trying to build on what they've learnt and are trying to make a game without a lost Izalith or tomb of giants.
The previous games using these animations were unable to fully capitalize on them. The games devolved into RB/R1 spamming and rolling. The focus on this game is to 'try again from scratch' if that makes sense. Yes, there is a similar rolling stab for one handed sword attacks. However that was rarely used in ER it deals extra posture damage. Ditto strong attacks, charge attacks, etc. Those animations are already perfectly fine, but as they were never used to their fullest they wanted to give them their time to shine. That's my theory.
@@androski5247 Same if you know a good amount about hardware. A high end 1080p screen is going to look a hellavu lot nicer than a cheap ass 4k screen. You also get diminishing returns from resolution.
Graphics aren’t the most important aspect of a game. Mechanics and design are. FromSoft’s games incrementally improve their assets/graphics over time and re-use some too. It’s a good practice.
They only re-use the ones that worked too, the ones that feel smooth and reasonably timed for the speed of combat. That can be a really hard balance to find and I'd take re-used assets 1000000x over new animations solely for the point of aesthetic any day. I also think its going to be a very important thing that experienced players will be familiar with many of the timings, which will help players focus less on learning their weapon and more on interacting with the world
@@fin6367 Every time I see stone pavement or a brick wall, or almost any animation it screams "Dark Souls 3". But I'm already very very tired of DS3 and I remember the previous games of Soulsborne series having more originality despite shorter development cycles and smaller budgets.
Elden Ring is a culmination of pretty much all of Froms major games they've made; people are just picking on the Soulsy stuff because it's so established, numerous and tied so tightly to Souls that they don't look at the bigger picture. That's like complaining that an artist used the same motifs or colors or subject matter in a painting as they did in the past, and that renders the painting to be a cheap uninspired copy, and that's just not necessarily true, especially when you haven't even been allowed to see the full painting yet. And as someone who has had access to the full painting, everything I've seen so far is very very nice, there are indeed motifs and subject matter I recognize in places, but this is very much it's own game, and the things they carried over more directly have been done nicely, my personal favorite of which is my guiding moonlight, now dubbed, the Darkmoon Greatsword, gives me a dopamine rush every time I write or say it, they turned it purple and silver and named it *that* ugh i love it... Anyway, yeah, games great, don't listen to those people, make the judgment for yourself, try it out, get past the castle at least, and go from there.
As my gramps always says "Work smarter, not harder" and "If there ain't nothin wrong, don't change it." Honestly, most of the animations of DS3 were spot on. They were perfect. Most of them. I mean, was jumping a pain? Yep. But they look like they're changing that. Plus, they're adding more. If you've ever watched Animators React to Bad and Good CGI, you'll know they constantly say that a huge aspect of making good CGI is having a good reference, taking a lot out of that reference and adding in stuff to make it look good. Most explosions of Hollywood are just regular explosions but beefed up x2. I feel like that's what From Software is doing here. They left the good stuff, took out the bad, and added some great stuff, while still trying to put a new twist on the Souls genre. Lastly, in my opinion, I feel like those that are complaining about the reused animations are just nit-picking. They wanted some extreme new thing like Bloodborne or Sekiro. But both of those were in different time periods. Bloodborne is in like an Industrial Era and Sekiro is in feudal Japan but with monsters. Dark Souls is medieval fantasy and so is Elden Ring. What'd they expect? Frickin Thomas the Train to come barreling through a castle?
Would be pretty laughable if Thomas the train was featured. xD But I agree with you, I can understand the worries about reused animation but there no need to fix what is unbroken, that why. And FromSoftware was focused to the art direction because they making an open world, even with reused animation it still change the game a lot.
I hope they changed the reposte animation for the schytes cause it looked so wrong. But it's one of the few examples where an animation was bad. In most cases the animations are perfect, why spend time changing them when you could use that time to make the game actually better?
@@igornaimoli7321 You’re right, many animation were already good but I hope they changed the scythe one. Stabing with a scythe like a sword doesn’t make sense and destroy his potential for build.
Is it me, or are gamers just getting more ungrateful about games nowadays; complaining about graphics and review bombing a game that took years to make and still hasn’t been released yet. Those ungrateful supine protoplasmic invertebrate jellies don’t even deserve to play games at all.
@Insert_text_here can't believe i have to explain basic shlt to you kids... when a homeless man offers to cook you a sandwich , you are happy even if it doesn't look that great . Now when you go to a 5 star restaurant in a expensive ass area , you do NOT hold the same expectations... is EASY : the more people pay , the more right to complain they have . Especially when a so called AAA studio delivers horse shlt like Cyberpunk 2077
And once the game was released. We all realized it that a big chunk of the development resources was used for the over a 100 bosses found in elden ring. Yes, some are reused models. But i dont think there are many if at all any that are 100% alike. There are differentiating opinions everywhere about elden ring , but I truly feel it is bang for your buck. 36hours in and still discovering new things, feeling a sense of progression in both character progression(gear and levels) and mechanical skill, experiencing challenges and just having a ball of a time. Great game For sweats And for casuals
The artstyle is so incredible that it pretty much makes up for them going back to the old engine instead of having it be on part with Demon's Souls Remake's tech. As nice as Demon's Souls looks from a tech standpoint, there's always a particular charm to FS's actual artstyles and general look.
Also I think they wanted PS4 players to be able to get their hands on it because since demons souls was a ps5 exclusive many fromsoft fans never got to play it including myself. If this game had demon souls graphics with an open world like it has our ps4s would not be able to handle it. I honestly like the gritty graphics of darksouls 3 and bloodborne though.
@@cptfreeman8966 If you compare original Demon's Souls vs the PS5 remake, modern rendering and lighting techniques improve the art style a lot to achieve that dark fantasy atmosphere. Just compare the Storm King fight between the remake and the original for example. However there is really nothing wrong with not investing all that money for graphics tech and you use your budget elsewhere plus Elden Ring art style looks beautiful.
You know what I'm excited about in Elden Ring? The open world meaning 90% less deaths from falling off a cliff into an abyss and now invaders will no longer be able to just wait farther along the linear path of a particular area and use NPCs as effective meat shields as much. I feel it will encourage just having a straight PvP fight as opposed to either the host just standing by the bonfire or the invader just standing behind enemies until they see you on low HP. I only hope they consider adding an item similar to the dried finger that allows me to be invaded without being in Co-Op. Not that I don't want to co-op it could just kill or harm the PvP in the long run when a lot of the player base inevitably falls off.
i think we will are be able to invade only on the late game. don't seems to be a point to invade right know and judging by the older games, we probably need a covenant or some kind of matter of doing invasions. open world invasions dont seem impossible, but looks improbable in my vision, i think we will need to be in a place that is "invasive" you know? regardless on the toughts, i hope the invasion sistem will be better and will be brought back... (i actually don't know if will be brought back on Elden Ring)
I was thinking the same thing about the animations. In all the different FS games, it seems like they keep the solid and tried aspects from old games while changing other aspects to make the game better or different. Honestly, the combat system was already great and I’m happy they focused their energy on other things. I also love your comparison of Miyazaki to the painter
lol didnt people hated dark souls 2!!!! its probably the same people complaining now. dark souls 2 was way different, and if you ask these people that, theyll probably say DS2 its their least favorite souls game. i played the network test on my ps4 pro, and i love everything about it, yeah, it made me think about DS3 but i loved ds3, having over 500 hours will say so. and i have no problems with the reuse animations. it wouldnt be a FromSoft without them. its the best of everygame into one. it even has some inspiration from DS2 that fans of will love. to all those people that are complaining. sit down and play something else, this game isnt for you.
To sum it up from software knows the vast majority of their customers are mediocre idiots who like most people accept half assed garbage instead of an actual product with souls an innovation
I suppose Elden Ring is falling in line with what I would call a classic sequel. I know this is a new IP but it's building off of their last works and expanding on it. I'm excited to play this game
I deadass scrolled down, read your comment, scrolled up, forgot I read it, scrolled down and then thought you copied something that was said in the video, all in the span of 2 minutes.
I expected something different from ds3 and u know what, I think miyazaki perfectly satisfied my expectation. I do think combat is mostly the same, which is not a bad thing, but the exploration of this game will be much much better. The complexity of stormveil castle also feels like an evolution of the dark souls style of designed world. The jumping enables so much, and you can feel the layers of the map now.
I LOVE your take on the negativity, and the facts of the points they make. The idea that Fromsoftware aren't just taking an "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" approach, but taking it to the next level of "if it ain't broke, fix something else instead" is very interesting. Makes me wanna see how things play out, and how they adapt to whatever comes their way.
It's "Man swinging medieval weapons" animations, how different do people expect? I would't blame FromSoft for saving money by reusing animations if they put the budget to introducing other good stuff that justifies it, and so far, the game looks pretty good. Bloodborne and Sekiro had vastly different animations because we used GRAPPLERS and GUNS.
Exactly there a few ways you can swing a sword without it being silly over the top anime style, so like there's not much "innovation" in the process, if animation already captures that then what reason is there to change it?
Demon's Souls Remake is "man swinging medieval weapons", and yet it has many different animations. That's how different people expect. Not saying I agree or disagree with any side of this, but this argument right here does not hold ground.
"It's open world Dark Souls" How is that necessarily a bad thing? FS have perfected their art and know what they're GOOD at. If it ain't broke, why fix it?
I really don't want to explain the whole thing again... But alright. I have plenty of free time. 1-If something works, it doesn't mean it can't be _better_ . This argument is just appreciation for laziness, lack of imagination and no will to improve. ( _But i believe that's not the case here, with FS, because i want to believe that by reusing old animations so that they can save some time to make new world/AI/gameplay better. Wich would be great._ ) [But argument itself is just..not good, in terms of "making something new"] 2-For some people the problem of ER being "Dark Souls 4" is because it's supposed to be a different game. Some people just want to see more unique gameplay/mechanics. (And because of lack of information they think there is a chance of that being the case)
@@WhyWouldRU-vidShowThis 1)What exactly is supposed to be "better"? From Software have already pioneered and perfected the Souls genre. It's a question of "What is better than what they're the BEST at"? The graphics aren't next gen, I agree, but since when do graphics hold weight over Gameplay? 2) "it's supposed to be a different game" According to who? From Software? Did they PROMISE you a different game? They promised a different universe/series. And that's what we're getting. IMO Open world DARK Souls is definitely a logical step. Take what you know, apply something new on top. And yes, Elden Ring has unique Gameplay and mechanics. It's just probably NOT what you were expecting. I mean, would people be excited if FS made an open world FPS and called it Elden Ring?
@@samuelhunter4631 I didn't say anything about the graphics. I didn't say anything about "my expectations" and "they are ruining the game by reusing old ds animations". I didn't even mentioned anything about " lack of new mechanics ". Where did you get it? Please, read carefully. ( Also, you can always improve. It doesn't matter if it'll be just a small change. The fact the you did something wich is now considered to be "the best thing" doesn't mean that it's perfect in every way. It just means that it's better than others. If you really think that DS series is pure perfection, this means that you're, maybe, forgetting about hitboxes, useless wepons (ds3) and a bunch of different things that this games have. To make a "perfect" game IS to make a game with NO bugs etc problems at all! That's literally the definition of "perfect". Because it was made by humans for humans, it will be imperfect in one way or another. Because you can't make EVERYONE happy (and that's an important condition to reach "perfection"). So the terms itself just doesn't fit here. ) Also, just as i said previously, SOME PEOPLE WANT THIS GAME TO BE SOMETHING DIFFERENT. And because of lack of information about all "new stuff" that FS will add, *_some_* even think that reused animations and "bad" graphics made the whole game worthless. I, again, didn't say *_i_* was disappointed about how ER looks/plays/feels. I just explained the issue about the whole...thing. That you didn't really understand (because otherwise there would have been no arguments about "Animations Good? Stay Same. Animations Bad? Trash. Animations Same? Animations Good." thing. Because the problem isn't in animations themselves. It's about how reusing some aspects of other game can make game itself feel just like a buch of recycled mechanics. *_Some people_* just don't want another DS game but with a different name) P.s. Elden Ring FPS? Honestly, that doesn't sound bad at all. Especially if the game itself will be good in terms of movement and structure. But it would be their first FPS so anything is possible. P.p.s Yes, i *_DID LIKE_* the gameplay that FS showed. And i didn't mentioned anything that could possibly say otherwise. I was talking about this..little community of disappointed people that wanted a little different ER. But here i am.. explaining MY OWN COMMENT and the video it was about to someone that doesn't want to read carefully, so they just assume that "huh? You didn't say anything about how goid and respectable this decision was... I guess you're one of those fuckers who dislike the game! Shut up, you don't know what you want. They're legends and they made a perfect game! What do you have?".
How come I haven't found your channel before? I freaking love your videos. Keep up the good stuff, man. Not only are you sharing your views and opinions, you're also giving me new perspectives. GG man.
The game is awesome! I am 24 hours into the game and I am still in limgrave, I have defeated Margit but still a lot of stuff remained to be explored. I am all good with the graphics, the game is less taxing and core of the game is enjoying and not worrying if I am getting a 120 fps or 240 fps. Yes stuttering is an issue but I only faced it majorly in the tree sentinel fight no where else. If cyberpunk can be fixed this stuttering issue is meager compared to that.
I love From Soft games. Each one brought something unique to the table I see Elden Ring as the compilation of the best From Soft has done. They’re taking what they learned and putting it into the type of game they want to make. I would not be a gamer if not for From Soft. Period. Graphics alone don’t mean jack.
@@prominerz6701 ....🤔 Not gonna lie, but that game has me interested a quite a bit! How long is it though? Because I find it hard to finish games that are too long.
100%. Plus, the graphics are fine. We hit a wall quite some time ago where its hard to make games look much better than they already do; graphical fidelity has diminishing returns.
Frankly, I always saw From Soft ending the dark souls series with dark souls 3 was a story decision not a gameplay decision. There's nothing left to tell in the world dark souls but they aren't done with the gameplay of dark souls and wanted to keep expanding on that. I'm all for it. As much as I love the dark souls world and lore there's only so much relight the flame I can endure, BUT the gameplay I want more of. Players that want different gameplay have games like Sekiro and Bloodborne, for people who want more dark souls we get Elden Ring.
To be fair. We didn't get a conclusion on the snakes that were supposed to be in ds3 but were cut and the dark wraiths. The ash lake and the dragon there are some other stuff that we didn't get a conclusion as well. There is room for a ds4 if they go the ds3 cut story route. ( The main character hunting dark lords,etc) There might be other stuff as well that i probably forget that we didn't get a conclusion on.
Exactly, if it ain’t broke don’t fix it. All they’ve needed was to expand on Dark Souls gameplay wise, this is the exact same kind of game as dark souls, just bigger.
I would repeat an old adage, if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. Just because something is different to what came before doesn’t make it good, just because it’s similar doesn’t make it bad.
Souls game may “reuse” animations (even though they’re always improved to look better. But every souls game NEVER lacked new stuff. They add in the old with the new. Not a big deal. Some actually prefer it like that because the spells and weapons and armors they usually “reuse” are like the bread and butter stuff. They’re usually very basic stuff that’s easy to use or make a build around. People going crazy from covid this game looks amazing.
I actually am happy that they reuse simple animations that look cool. However it's a different story when they reuse animations for bosses. If nothing else, the bosses should have unique animations/attacks. But in the end, this game seems to change the DS formula just where I wanted them to go. (I don't like Sekiro, so I'm happy we're back to DS style gameplay)
@@Art0r1a If the beta test is any indication this game will probably have more bosses than all of the Dark Souls games combined, of course they're going to re-use animations for them! I expect the most important bosses to be mostly done from the ground-up but they're not going to put the same level of effort into every optional boss in a mini-dungeon.
Looks like it could easily be the best game Fromsoft has released. I'm beyond hyped for this game, and its a great sign that the test footage is so polished. Some people just want to be mad about every game that comes out, they can go ahead and be mad, I'll be having a fucking blast playing Elden Ring.
In a recent interview, Miyazaki said that Elden Ring is very close to his ideal game. I think you’re right! Miyazaki has been working for a long time to make the ideal game for himself, and Elden Ring is not only the next step, but perhaps the closest possible and is the culmination of all of their experiments. Think of Demon’s Souls/Dark Souls/Elden Ring as the “core.” He loves this medieval genre, and every time he makes a medieval themed game he gets closer to his ideal game in one way or another. Demon Souls was his first attempt, Dark Souls his second, Bloodborne was where he refined and experimented with making the combat closer to what he wanted, Dark Souls 3 got it to that point, Sekiro experimented with more freedom and mechanics, and Elden Ring is where he returns to the “core” to the type of game he wants to make again for a third huge attempt at making his ideal game. The fact that there is more carryover from the other games means that they’ve either done it or have gotten quite close
They've said Bloodborne is their best work. I don't really understand how people can say fs has been lazy cause literally ds3 and Bloodborne are their best games
What people seem to forget about Bluepoints Demons Souls remake, is that graphics, sound and animations and such were basically ALL they had to work on. And even those, they didn't have to do from complete scratch, they at least had templates of everything to work with. They forget that level design, gameplay, lore, dialogue, etc, were all things that Bluepoint didn't change in almost any capacity. So while yes, I do think on a technical level, Demons Souls PS5 looks better than ER, that's to be expected. I also think there's an argument to be made that the art direction is better in ER, in fact, in my opinion that IS the case .
Also those games are next get and console specific... Elden Ring will be on PS4 also... so... maybe these idiots will be happy with the graphics of Elden Ring 2 in 4-5 years. Either way, I think it looks wonderful.
After around 80 hours of elden ring I can say that indeed it is very similar to ds3 but the gameplay is so much better and diverse that it stands out. It quickly became my favourite game
Its just a smart thing to re use animation i mean everyone is doing that. But in souls games you recognize it more because its very unic and thats a really good sign... and graphics is more then amazing
Yeah people don't realise asset re-use in the game development industry is *very* common. But with Fromsoftware games it's very recognisable and basically a staple of the soulsborne games, granted I would've liked if they didn't reuse them for once ;)
@@recklesflam1ngo968 i know what you mean. I think its created for peoples who want the classic souls in a diffrent setting like me :P i will enjoy this old re-used stuff in a new setting 🤤
I've started my Indie Game Dev career recently, and even tho I'm just one guy and From Software is a big studio, same principles apply regardless of a scale of your game, and I absolutely understand choices made by From Software. They chose to expand in other directions, invest their time and effort in something new they as creative persons are interested in. Not remaking a walk animation that is already fine just to make it feel new.
GameDev too here. Its exactly the point. Its probably will be downgraded to ps4 (it will looks like ds3 for sure) and, it has no problem '-' of course its with better decisions than ds3 but, its other horizons, other ideas. All the stuff is really really good. This people looks like a group of haters that would get crazy if they had this age when Ocarina of Time / Majoras Mask was released. "oh, look, MM have the same grafs of OOT, its just the same shit with other story, trash hahaha" Ridiculous.
Oh yes, the creativity juices floweth abundantly by reusing the same animations, graphical style and engine. Truly they are the spearheads of risk taking.
@@Eqvil you rather have many new animations and less stuff to play? bet there will be new weapons etc with new animations aswell use those and stop bitching...
Yeah I understand but doing new animations usually makes people more excited from the get-go (like ooo wow look guys this is what the evolution of FS game development over all these years looks like!) They obviously invested in other areas other than things that already have proven to have worked in the dark souls franchise in the past and feels like at this point the game's gonna be a slow burn to most people. I respect miyazaki's skill in storytelling alot, and I trust that he will deliver an awe gripping experience. Besides, its co-written by fucking George RR martin (now i dont know much about this man but he has a beard and he's old and he's name is long and abbreviated and apparently writes good fantacy/science fiction)
Dark Souls was one of the few games in its time that didn't have facial animations and was still using billboards for its trees. From - and Miyazaki's team especially - has *always* put set dressing on the backseat to laser focus on gameplay mechanics; that's what makes their games so good to play. They always focus on the *game* part of the game. And as for reusing assets - is this a serious complaint? If you take someone who's never played DS3 and Bloodborne and show them a bunch of random clips from both games, I'd bet an eye they won't be able to tell one from the other. And that doesn't make either one a bad game, and in fact they are vastly different from each other in a number of non trivial aspects. This time they're attempting something that, mechanically, is unlike anything they've done before, of course they're not gonna be allocating large resources to reinvent stuff they already know works more than fine. That's always been Miyazaki's MO and I wouldn't want it any other way.
From Software always put the aesthetic and mood of a game before gameplay - it's evident, even with their first game, King's Field, and Miyazaki said as much in an interview. That focus on quality and the feel of the game is what make their games so amazing, not gameplay. And therein lies the problem. A game like Bloodborne was incredibly tonally different from Dark Souls, and that was reinforced by the different assets, including sounds and animations. Dark Souls 3 on the other hand, took a lot of inspiration from Bloodborne into a world that was not connected to it, and diluted the quality of the world and the game as a whole, making it feel not quite right, some times even bland or lacking direction, or even just rehashing old tropes in ways that didn't take into consideration why they worked before. If you've ever done more than one playthrough of these games, you'll know by experience alone that the gameplay mechanics aren't very deep at all. Oftentimes the best course of action is to go for a fast attack instead of a slow one that leaves you exposed for longer, or equipping lighter armor so that you can roll faster, which is more beneficial to your survival than tanking a tiny bit more damage. The other systems that you can interact or be influenced by are also important, but they don't make your inputs differ from normal gameplay, you just change your strategy when approaching some event or location. People are worried because they got a taste of what From Software could make and their innovative capabilities with Bloodborne and Sekiro, and also how From Software could fail at improving or making something new with Dark Souls 2 and Dark Souls 3. In short, people want new and interesting Bloodborne, not recycled and bland Dark Souls 3.
@@vizari9570 Gonna cry? Edit: So many triggered weaboos in the comments because I don't like the visuals. I'm glad I don't have a fanatical, blind love for Japanese games
I’m glad this will be my first souls game. The previous ones just looked claustrophobic and so hard it would take me forever to beat. They also didn’t look fun(to me). This game gave me elderscrolls/monster Hunter vibes and that’s what has me excited. I also thought this game looks gorgeous. I want to explore that world, even if it’s probably going to kick my butt.
It's amazing to have a newcomer to the franchise, I kinda agree to that claustrophobic feeling as I felt that as well playing the first Dark Souls, still all that hate eventually turned into love as DS is my favorite game franchise now. Really hope you give a shot to Elden Ring and yes it's gonna be hard but trust me when I say that it's going to worth every second.
People were really expecting From to get rid of everything they've previously made and create every single gameplay mechanic and animation from the ground up while creating a big open world with RPG elements and good writing, graphics and designs like that was at all posible or reasonable.
People forget they do this shit for the equivalence of minimum wage for a livelihood. Then again many "big voices" are from incredibly little man children.
Not only is it difficult to know if that would be possible, but we don't know if that would be preferable. This engine looks good, these mechanics work well, don't see why we should change everything
these fuckers must never play any Fallout games, they literally reuse same asset over and over and no one give a shit, why now they give a shit about elden rings then?
I come from that minority that is Disaapointed of the game Even compared to games that keep getting re released like Elder Scrolls, Call of Duty and Fallout, each game keeps the core concept but with small changes that makes you feel the difference Miyazaki did a Great job branching to Bloodborne using same gameplay concept but it was definitely a different game Elden ring however doesnt feel like its gonna be different from something ive bought 5 times, considering theres also many other titles worth looking into from other devs
“If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it”, I am more than willing to be satisfied with a “big dark souls”. Could be out in left field with this too but, in my experience with somewhat niche communities like dark souls, there’s generally a lot of LOUD complaining from minority opinions and people jumping the gun that are usually silenced upon release. Miyazaki hasn’t let me down yet. I wouldn’t be surprised if they change up more animations before final release either.
I'm sure there's just going to be a TON more animations and or tweaks will be made to existing ones. Also as this video pointed out, I'm sure they're putting effort into their world over the gameplay which I think they've pretty much got nailed down at this point. But, we gotta wait and see.
All I ever really wanted after DS3 was DS4, so when I saw all the trailers, especially this newest gameplay one, I was just kinda like "hey look, they're doing the game I love a second time" so I really have no complaints. Even if this was just a blatant DS3 reskin, wouldn't it be enough to have just that new set of bosses in new environments? That's what every Dark Souls game is at its core, anyway -- there's not much difference between one game or the next.
If it aint broke dont fix it doesnt work for games where innovation is required. We not talking about furniture, innovation sometimes or most times require risk. Thats why we got a new style for god of war, the old GOW wasnt broke but the innovation still made it better (fixed).
@@humbleservant7797 so are you saying that this game is too much like DS3 to be innovative? Because minus the couple of animations (which i for one was happy to see, and considered it a nice homage, more than laziness) this game is as different from DS as you can get in a fromsoft game set in a medieval fantasy world.
This is very well made and well-reasoned. I was kinda waist deep in this argument on Reddit when we got the footage and I wish I had stopped to think it through this way.
As a Zelda fan it’s comforting to know that we’re not the only fandom with a loud minority. I’m not saying their critiques are completely invalid or without reason, just a bit much at times.
I find this emblematic of the Japanese philosophy of "kaizen" (かいぜん); it can be loosely translated to "continuous improvement" and refers to the ongoing perfection of a process using iteration. There is a core idea of a Dark Souls-type game that Miyazaki has been constantly refining. I understand how some people may be upset about the reused animations, but there's nothing inherently wrong with them. Instead of devoting resources to something that doesn't need to be fixed, they've utilized that energy in other areas of the game and it clearly shows.
@@trblemayker5157 No but the reused stuff isnt worth a critic. Its actually pne of the good things. Even in the gameplay shown we see a lot of new stuff, but the stuff that was good prior to Elden Ring comes in too. It just build on a working basis so that is even better than what came before. Critic is always important otherwise something cant improve, but this specific point of reusing animations and features just makes no sense here. It would make sense if it realy was just resued stuff and the bare minimum of fresh air but at least from what we have seen I think Elden ring has by far enough of its own to be its own.
@@trblemayker5157 Who said that lol, just don't expect to be taken seriously when the game hasn't even come out yet. The only thing you can bitch about is the graphics and reuse of animations which don't really matter.
The game looks absolutely gorgeous, they know how to caputure what id like to call hauntingly beautiful aesthetic. Who else has sat there mesmerized by first time they seen the Dancer boss just twirling away and dodging for your life. They have found a strat that works for them with out a doubt, and im glad they are doubling down on it.
King's Field Ancient City music in the background, awesome. I'm gonna play though that again, huge king's field fan. It would be sick if they made a new kings field, first person and all.
That's the problem with graphics. Eventually we are going to reach a level of realism where every game will look the same. And frustration appears when people place graphics in a unreachable throne, above story, characters, environment and gameplay.
Nonsense. Graphics are at an incredible level of fidelity now, with less and less room to improve each year. But stylistic/artistic choice plays a massive part. You can't tell me Demon's Souls and Red Dead 2 look anything alike. Animation plays hugely into the graphics as well - you can swing what looks like a half-tonne battleaxe over your head in one game, where another is very true to life.
Except this game is far from reaching peak graphics. If the graphics were as good as RDR2 it'd be understandable because RDR2 is probably the limit for the older consoles PS4 and ONE to handle but it's not even close to that.
@@MarcoTheGreat2008 Just look at Metroid Dread. There's a small minority complaining about graphics there too, but really the stylistic choices made in Dread will grant it icon status. I'd even go as far as to say that Dread looks better on TV than on the Switch console. In a different situation, we have Bloodborne which came out in what, 2014? It's not the most technologically impressive game of its time, and yet the visual design remains very strong. Visual appeal comes from they story being told by the visuals as much if not more than how round the polygons are.
I genuinely don't think people understand that games have limited budgets and need to make compromises. Why on earth would FromSoft say "Well we want parries in Elden Ring, time to hire a whole crew a good chunk of money to make a new parry animation" when they already have assets for that? Why would you WANT them to divert resources that could go to more important things just to have a new parry animation that would likely look similar to what they've used in the past anyway?
I understand what you’re saying. The one that kinda bothers me tho is the lothric knight animation. I have no problem with the walking, dodging, parrying etc being the same, but I really want new attacks. Oh well, Elden Ring will still be a fucking blast.
Indeed! Why on earth would you spend time, again, redoing all your animation rigs and skeletons when you could instead use that time to polish all other game systems that they never managed to deliver in the previous games. People also forget that FS itself only recently grew from about 300 to 600 employees by now. Dark Souls 3 was made by ~750 people. Bloodbourne and Sekiro were made by ~1100 people. To contrast, Last of Us 2 : 2000+ people made that game. God of War (2018)? ~1800 people. Ghost of Tsushima: 1800 people. Demons' Souls remake: ~1500 people. FS is an independent developer, they're not a first party studio. Scaling from the size they started at with Demon's Souls (250 ppl) to what they now have also means scaling your pipelines, your management and organisation structure.
I dont think most people have even a mild understanding of how damn hard making games actually is, even when not looking at budget. The art direction, assets, icons, netcode, animations etc - everything is designed by someone and it all needs to come together as a team effort. Development is a complex and multilayered process and people really should be more respectful of the devs. Its hard enough to make a mediocre game and even harder to get the consistent quality fromsoftware achieves
