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and theyre all romances that usually use POC as tools for the nazi's character development like...?????
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@jossanchan
@jossanchan 2 года назад
You got a little mixed up about circumcision, jewish people do get circumcised. Its a 3000 year old jewish tradition that symbolizes the bond between Abraham and God. The nazis were not circumcised, as it was and still is very uncommon for non jews/muslims to be circumcised in Europe.
@graysonsprojects
@graysonsprojects 2 года назад
(pinning so ppl dont repeat comment about it) idk how i got THAT mixed up but thank u for letting me know 😭
@hyperbaroque
@hyperbaroque 2 года назад
@@graysonsprojects Wait ..... didn't the movie / character in the movie, get it ... mixed up???
@sabrinbelbey9911
@sabrinbelbey9911 2 года назад
but muslims do also get circumcised???
@xioxialt
@xioxialt 2 года назад
@@sabrinbelbey9911 i think op meant "non jews and non muslims" but conveyed it a little weirdly :)
@sabrinbelbey9911
@sabrinbelbey9911 2 года назад
@@xioxialt ahh that makes sense :)
@longlivebeans
@longlivebeans 2 года назад
The “minority teaches racists how to not be racist” trope is so tired. The burden is always put on the oppressed, never the oppressor.
@ddjsoyenby
@ddjsoyenby 2 года назад
plus that doesn't fix the issue it just leads to good ones.
@SleepyPrincess3002
@SleepyPrincess3002 2 года назад
Exactly. It’s our responsibility our whole lives to “educate people” and “be a good example”, to show white people that we’re literally human. It’s a big part of our oppression and frankly dehumanizing either way. When I saw the way they were portraying black women I immediately thought of the Mammy character. How black women have to be a nurturer and an angel that is happily helping her oppressors to contrast the labels of being “aggressive” “loud” and “ugly” to prove that “we’re not all bad”. :/
@daniellewillis2767
@daniellewillis2767 2 года назад
Nope. Burden is theirs. After all, they ARE the oppressed....just trolling. All in good fun. For me anyway...
@daniellewillis2767
@daniellewillis2767 2 года назад
@@ddjsoyenby Just cause it's a trope don't make it not true." - Sgt Lincoln Osiris
@tiahnarodriguez3809
@tiahnarodriguez3809 2 года назад
True, but if we don’t continue speaking up on our problems how is a non-black person supposed to know we’re still having them? The average person is mostly concerned with what’s happening to them, and if another person stops speaking on their personal issues, they assume the issue no longer exists, so unfortunately we have to shoulder the burden of letting people know we still face issues. That’s how we got our civil rights, how we got laws such as the crown act to pass, and how we’ll continue to get closer to equal treatment. It’s just slow because we’re up against 400 years of oppression. Also, why would the oppressor care about the oppressed’s issues? Can’t expect people to undo their oppressive behaviors when they’ve never been questioned about it. However, once a person has been called out, they absolutely share in the burden of promoting equal treatment. Just to be clear I am not making excuses for anyone just be realistic that everyone shares the burden in this.
@basementdwellercosplay
@basementdwellercosplay 2 года назад
I feel Jojo rabbit did a good job of showing the main character as a confused kid who just wants to fit in to the other kids and his friendship with the Jewish girl his mother hides changes his mind on what the Jewish people are like and the mindset he had. It's not sympathetic to the nazis, making fun of them and yet showing how they brainwashed kids to follow their beliefs.
@GwendolynnBY
@GwendolynnBY 2 года назад
part of that could be that the writer/director is jewish.
@vlogily8043
@vlogily8043 2 года назад
Nope it is sympathizing towards the nazis, it’s the same sort of story that the rest of these movies tend to be, meeting the surprisingly normal person who is part of one of the groups the Nazis were against and in meeting them it breaks their naivety/ignorance/brainwashing, the big difference is that the movie is a great farce and satire, it’s clever and well made, and almost unlike anything ever seen before
@AnaRodriguez-vt3sh
@AnaRodriguez-vt3sh 2 года назад
@@vlogily8043 well but that’s actually what happens a lot of the time in real life
@woobiefuntime
@woobiefuntime 2 года назад
@@vlogily8043 that is how nazism worked . ordinary people ignored evil around them.
@cheycheyfriend247
@cheycheyfriend247 2 года назад
@@vlogily8043 the Jewish writer/director is sympathizing with nazis? I feel like you just can’t see a nuanced topic.
@emilypeoples6386
@emilypeoples6386 2 года назад
“Remember, he’s not racist…he likes jazz.”💀
@namjoonie936
@namjoonie936 2 года назад
just like that bee
@garrick3727
@garrick3727 2 года назад
Reminds me of a very old headline from The Onion: Rich White Man Loves The Blues, Causes The Blues.
@tamirholmes6324
@tamirholmes6324 2 года назад
ya like jazz?
@bradybales7067
@bradybales7067 2 года назад
“An African American patient who believes Adolf Hitler has taken presence inside her” Jesus i didn’t know i could roll my eyes harder
@jos9342
@jos9342 2 года назад
You can just say black/Afro German since she’s not American
@bradybales7067
@bradybales7067 2 года назад
@@jos9342 i was quoting the description of the movie, which refers to her as african american
@jos9342
@jos9342 2 года назад
@@bradybales7067 ohh, no idea why the movie did that 💀
@bradybales7067
@bradybales7067 2 года назад
@@jos9342 me neither lmao
@PancakemonsterFO4
@PancakemonsterFO4 2 года назад
this sounds like satire or blacksploitation
@charity._.
@charity._. 2 года назад
To clarify, Jazz music was quite literally created by black people in America during the 30’s Harlem Renaissance era. It wouldn’t be considered “stereotypically black” when it literally is black, so it makes sense that it would be banned in Nazi Germany. It’s also so weird that black females are consistently used in these style of movies as if it’s our responsibility to change these extremely racist and violent people. Anyway love ur vids 💕
@elisabethschmerzler963
@elisabethschmerzler963 2 года назад
It was also because a lot of Jazz Musicians in Europe were Jewish, alongside the large amount in America. It was included alongside Jewish books and Art that were banned or destroyed
@neegas3490
@neegas3490 2 года назад
I was thinking the same thing
@Imsuper656
@Imsuper656 2 года назад
Didn't you know? Brown skinned young women are the only ones who can save us all...well so the ideology promoted as entertainment by Hollyweird says.....
@poob272
@poob272 2 года назад
they usually use black women because it’s suppose to show like polar opposites like you know being taught and changed by the people you hate it’s not really a responsibility thing
@maefromnitw4091
@maefromnitw4091 2 года назад
jazz was created by black people, but wasn't it earlier than that? like down in new orleans?
@FoxyFemBoi
@FoxyFemBoi 2 года назад
The most frustrating thing about the idea of "not all of them were bad people" is that we KNOW the nazis, including a lot of the TOP officers in the camps, etc, were actually, pretty normal people. Who did horrible things. They weren't mentally ill or psychopaths or whatever sanist words get thrown around to describe heinous acts. And people DON'T want to acknowledge that--they want to other and distance fascists and nazis and think of them as monsters or as somehow mentally "off" or ill or brainwashed. Thing is that, no,--normal people, people we would usually think of as "decent", with families and communities they cared for, etc, can do horrible things because we are very good at compartmentalizing parts of our lives and dehumanizing others when we want to. While still believing we're doing the "right thing." And not acknowledging these facts and just how "normal" Nazis actually were (and colonizers and slave holders, etc) really not only does a disservice to actually mentally ill people, (which then ironically dehumanizes and others them) but also makes it a lot easier to ignore or slip into fascism again or dehumanize others without acknowledging where that can and has lead. It's much easier to think "that can never happen here/again/now" or to think that you or the people you know would never participate in that or passively let that happen. Fascism and genocide are monstrous, but it's not a monster we can distance ourselves from without risking that it takes seed again. Winston Churchill held basically all the same views as the Nazis--they just weren't practice "at home" in Britain, they were practiced in their colonies like India, where Churchill and the British government was responsible for a famine there during WWII. We like to pretend there are good and bad actors in world history and that's not always the case, ESPECIALLY with governments.
@garrick3727
@garrick3727 2 года назад
And not just Winston Churchill. Tons of important people in many countries. The UK had a lot of problems with Nazi sympathizers and it wasn't the ill-informed working class, it was rich elites. Their problem with Hitler was that he was causing war, not his party's beliefs. This is partly why Hitler thought he would win. He mistakenly believed that he could make peace with the UK and the US if his invasions were over fast enough. And before Churchill was in place he might have been right. Churchill shared many of Hitler's beliefs, but he didn't like Hitler because Hitler was a commoner, an upstart. Plus, of course, Churchill did not actually consider killing the people he thought less of as a matter of policy. That was morally reprehensible. But, prevent them from breeding - he would be totally up for that.
@FoxyFemBoi
@FoxyFemBoi 2 года назад
@@garrick3727 Lmao he didn't consider it morally reprehensible, he straight up said he did NOT care what Hitler was doing to the Jews, which kinda implies he doesn't exactly think it's "morally reprehensible" and was more than happy to create and support policy that resulted in millions of deaths, such as the concentration camps, first used by the British in African colonies (starvation, lack of clean water, disease, etc) and the policies put in place that directly caused the Bengali famine and took/diverted all of their resources and then saying basically "it's their own fault for breeding like rabbits." (Breeding like rabbits is the language he used, so whether he supported eugenics by sterilization a) shouldn't matter here and shouldn't somehow mean he thinks it's morally reprehensible to kill those he thinks less of and b) very much supported conditions causing the demise of people he thought less of, regardless of whether he rationalized it by blaming it on them. If a parent starves or causes malnourishment by feeding less to one of their kids or refuses them medication because they particularly dislike that kid and the kid ends up dying, we consider the person with authority in that situation, the parent/guardian, responsible and at least manslaughter by neglect.) Basically I think I agree with everything you said aside from Churchill finding those kind of tactics reprehensible. Even if he claimed he did, cognitive dissonance or just lying, his actions do not support that claim. And yes, unfortunately people tend to only focus on Italy and Germany when studying the rise of fascism in the early 20th century (often excluding Japan) but dozens of countries had Nazi uprisings, obviously some more successful than others, and many in countries later invaded by Hitler and some in the global south as well, such as Brazil.
@garrick3727
@garrick3727 2 года назад
@@FoxyFemBoi "The answer to the riddle was found with the opening of Churchill’s private archive in 1995. They contained two identical letters signed by him - both dated July 13, 1944. The letters were sent to the head of the Church of England, the Archbishop of Canterbury; and to Lord Melchett (Alfred Mond), an Anglo-Jewish tycoon and personal friend. After repeating that the Holocaust was “one of the greatest and most horrible crimes ever committed,” he rejected the bombing project, explaining that “the principal hope of terminating it must remain the speedy victory of the Allied Nations.”" - source: Haaretz.com (a Jewish newspaper). This shows that Churchill thought that ending the war would help the plight of the Jews the most, and that he did find it morally reprehensible what was happening. These are private letters. If you have a quote of Churchill saying he did not care what Hitler was doing to the Jews, I'd love to see it.
@ltchugacast131
@ltchugacast131 2 года назад
I’d recommend you look into a character study on a character from Legend of Korra named Kuvira. She leads a fascist/national socialist movement conquering a continent and the way they portray her ideology and how people can swayed into following it is very well done. One of the main characters of the show actually falls in with her group at the start of the season believing in the cause of unification and it takes time and arguments with friends and family and witnessing the methods used to enforce order before he defects. All in all it’s an excellent piece of youth fiction and an excellent, easily consumed example of fascism/ national socialism without the capital N Nazi ideology tacked on. It makes it much easier for people to conceptualize fascism in practice and how to observe it’s precursors in real life.
@FoxyFemBoi
@FoxyFemBoi 2 года назад
@@ltchugacast131 Yeah, I appreciate shows like the Owl House for this as well. Several characters we end up getting to know well are originally on board w/ the Emperor and the coven system until they realize how awful it is, or even at some points how awful he is or the true plan. It shows how easy it is for people to believe they're doing good.
@Mausefell
@Mausefell 2 года назад
This reminds me of that whole tiktok trend where people pretended to be a jewish person that died during the holocaust and it was disgusting af. I remember one where some girl was looking at the camera and there where voices in the background that where meant to be nazis saying stuff like `she´s so beautiful, we should keep her´🤮 The narcissism. The victim complex. The disrespect. Just using real trauma that doesn´t have anything to do with them and make it all about themselves and commercializing it for Tiktok fame. This movie feeds into that very same sickening ´fantasy´. Like NO get out of here 🤢
@violetsonja5938
@violetsonja5938 2 года назад
NNOOOOOOOO! Please tell me this is made up. Nobody can be that narcissistic. This can't be real.
@steff6146
@steff6146 2 года назад
Oh. My. God.
@Mausefell
@Mausefell 2 года назад
@@violetsonja5938 unfortunately it is real :/
@genericname2747
@genericname2747 2 года назад
Tik Tok is a cursed place
@Ashicakez3
@Ashicakez3 Год назад
Wtf? That’s messed up
@nctoken8052
@nctoken8052 2 года назад
As a black woman, movies like these scream the whole “black people can be racist too!” Sentiments. Which is weird for the writers to want the audience to not sympathize with an Afro German girl during the Holocaust. They use her race as a plot device but don’t explore why or how Lena is the way she is…
@lurkingquesadilla
@lurkingquesadilla 2 года назад
black people CAN be racist, just not against black people. no hate to black people, but yeah just wanted to point that out
@SleepyPrincess3002
@SleepyPrincess3002 2 года назад
@@lurkingquesadilla ?? Black people can be racist to other black people/POC. There’s something called colorism in our community. When black people dislike white people though it doesn’t oppress them, because when a black person discriminates against a white person it holds no systematic power. It’s an individual occurrence.
@emmazig
@emmazig 2 года назад
Yeah, it’s weird. These Afro-German children very much existed in Nazi Germany and aren’t commonly talked about, so who decided that THIS was a good high-profile movie to make about a largely unknown group of people?
@internetuser7528
@internetuser7528 2 года назад
i myself am a white german, so i can only try to educate myself on the topic and obiously don't have the same experiences that black people have and even to me this seems like a very disgusting trope. i know from history classes, that many people who didn't fit the arian standard of the nazis, still identified as german through and through, but i think what this movie fails to do is to seperate the different aspects of identity (being german, being black, being a nazi / nazi sympathiser). and though i believe that everybody can be racist, this topic and setting is not the one to explore this narrative in and especially not in this way that romanticises the ns time. if you disagree with me and/or want to correct me on any of my points feel free to do so, i'm always trying to educate myself more. lastly, i wish anyone who reads this a nice day and i hope you're doing fine!
@daniellewillis2767
@daniellewillis2767 2 года назад
@@lurkingquesadilla Black on black racism is called colourism and it's basically semantics for regular old racism.
@haunting_bluejay
@haunting_bluejay 2 года назад
Recently an author popped up on booktok who writes literal SS officer x Jewish prisoner romance and when asked if she actually talked to anyone Jewish about it she said she didn't and that she didn't have to and she also made like "Thirst' videos over her Nazi characters because she wrote more than one. It was wild. And when called out about it she acted like it was perfectly normal and that there was nothing wrong w/ it. She also said that they were "important stories to tell.' It was WILD
@kaylajaispells3570
@kaylajaispells3570 2 года назад
This...this is horrifying
@cascharles3838
@cascharles3838 2 года назад
Who is it? I wanna clown on them
@joelle4226
@joelle4226 2 года назад
That’s so gross
@onewomanarmy6451
@onewomanarmy6451 2 года назад
My cynical side feel like: I'm not surprised, and yet I can not imagine where and how a person grows up and has that mindset as an adult. Shit's mind-boggling and really scary.
@indigo3896
@indigo3896 2 года назад
Lmaoo the author really said “💤😴🛌” during history class
@linneadawson6294
@linneadawson6294 2 года назад
I feel like we can really blame The Boy with the Striped Pajamas for these kind of movies. It's extremely popular among non Jews aka most of the world's population despite being filled with inaccuracies and being one of the worst pieces of holocaust media ever made.
@mysteriiis
@mysteriiis 2 года назад
Fuck that movie. A story where the son of an SS officer doesn't know about Jews? That's like writing about the child of a Catholic Inquisitor who doesn't know about heresy.
@Jen-uk6ly
@Jen-uk6ly 2 года назад
Yeah I’ve recently learned about how horrible the book is and I’m suprised they’re still teaching it in schools ?
@molls127
@molls127 2 года назад
that's the point. people saw that movie, cried, and thought "ooh trauma porn! let's make more of these!"
@sylvie_on
@sylvie_on 2 года назад
Watched that movie once, thought “what the _fuck_ did I just watch ???” And have never watched it again.
@judeconnor-macintyre9874
@judeconnor-macintyre9874 2 года назад
Yeah, I remember reading that in class, like, it was bad, and so many non-Jews were like, "yes, this is so deep and good"
@awesomeallyse
@awesomeallyse 2 года назад
When I saw that this was written and directed by a black woman my heart DROPPED
@sporkzzz
@sporkzzz Год назад
Same with cuties 😭
@actuallysounserious
@actuallysounserious 8 месяцев назад
i SCREAMED WHAT??????
@jazzy4189
@jazzy4189 2 года назад
This is so disgusting .... Last week one of the last survivors of a concentration camp the went to my school, she's 94 now, and hearing all she went through really broke my heart. I hope she doesn't never hear about this movies .....
@ladylark10884
@ladylark10884 2 года назад
I hope she doesn't either, poor lady will have a heart attack 😭
@dfmrcv862
@dfmrcv862 2 года назад
Stop conflating the two. Nazis were some of the worst people to exist. A story showing how a Nazi can become a kind person, rejecting their malicious views, by being shown that those "subhuman" aren't so subhuman is an excellent way to deradicalize people. A movie showing a Nazi becoming a good person by denying his views is literally what Holocaust victims would *want* because it would prevent other Nazis from rising again and repeating history! Seriously, this is a problem with leftoids. They see anyone humanizing "the enemy" and assume that's bad somehow.
@AnnabelRoss6789
@AnnabelRoss6789 2 года назад
God no, the poor woman would probably die from the shock.
@GoodWormDoctor
@GoodWormDoctor 2 года назад
@Silverstein there’s actual proof that the holocaust happened. You’re being irrational, now can it.
@yourstepmother8109
@yourstepmother8109 2 года назад
@Silverstein ooh never come across one of you yet. Why is it acting?
@ginnyweasley5749
@ginnyweasley5749 2 года назад
As a German those movies make me uncomfortable af. They are taking our horrible history to romanticise stuff which is not meant to be romanticised and then commercialise it wtf Edit: since right-wing people are trying to interpret my comment as self-pity for Germany's history: ofc it isn't ment like that and pls spread your antisemitic/ nationalistic ideas somewhere else (or just stop it. It is absolutely stupid and inhuman af)
@lemqnshark
@lemqnshark 2 года назад
me too
@JustAnniebody
@JustAnniebody 2 года назад
Same
@e.moonbound2420
@e.moonbound2420 2 года назад
Commercializing horrible events is the most American thing to do
@ddjsoyenby
@ddjsoyenby 2 года назад
yeah :/
@ismayonnaiseaninstrument8700
@ismayonnaiseaninstrument8700 2 года назад
@@e.moonbound2420 Unfortunately.
@gabrielle9577
@gabrielle9577 2 года назад
As a Jew it's incredibly distressing whenever a movie is released that sympathises for Nazis or German families who supported the Nazi regime. It dehumanizes us Jews and instead people feel for the Nazis. Germans were not oblivious to what was going on; which was genocide, and many Germans supported the regime or simply kept quiet in fear.
@donovanlocust1106
@donovanlocust1106 2 года назад
You know they were quiet because speaking against a facist regime never ends well right?
@Jen-uk6ly
@Jen-uk6ly 2 года назад
@@donovanlocust1106 yeah and there were many who were willing/ did risk their lives so whaf? And not you commenting under a Jewish person’s comment sympathizing 😭
@donovanlocust1106
@donovanlocust1106 2 года назад
@@Jen-uk6ly I'm not sympathizing with Nazis.
@Jcaeser187
@Jcaeser187 2 года назад
Support it for good reason
@genericname2747
@genericname2747 2 года назад
Yeah, maybe we should try sympathizing with the people who got sent to concentration camps and killed, instead of the people doing the killing. Just a thought
@SmileChannel
@SmileChannel 2 года назад
I am Ukrainian, and a few days ago I saw a post somewhere about a movie that Netflix plans to film after the war in Ukraine is over. It's probably a fake new, but it made me feel bad anyways. Basically about a russian soldier and a ukrainian woman falling in love. I honestly think it's disrespectful.
@milkak6823
@milkak6823 2 года назад
Pretty sure that was a meme
@lucyandecember2843
@lucyandecember2843 2 года назад
@@milkak6823 wouldn't be suprised if it actually ended up happening tho, shits fucked up
@memo-fq3ps
@memo-fq3ps 2 года назад
@@milkak6823 Probably, but I'll bet you there will be a movie with a similar plot to that in less than a decade from now.
@lurji
@lurji 2 года назад
sad how its always oppressed women falling in love with oppressor men
@alorapendrak9752
@alorapendrak9752 2 года назад
@@lurji Seriously if they feel they must make a Ukrainian war film, (rolls eyes) why not at least have the Ukrainian women fall in love with a Russian man who got jailed for protesting the Ukraine war? Or you know just don't make war love stories seriously. It really seems like not the gene for it.
@flooryan8332
@flooryan8332 2 года назад
You know like I understand the feeling about “wanting a redemption arc” and “bad guy turned good by the power of LOVE”, but like that only works for fictional people... why nazis bro 💀😀
@ding1466
@ding1466 2 года назад
Except people do change? You know people can change right?
@flooryan8332
@flooryan8332 2 года назад
@@ding1466 obviously, but these stories are literally 100% out of the writer’s imagination. Making of a fictional person who is a Nazi and actively contributed to one of the most horrific war crimes in recent human history, then giving them a redemption arc within the span of like a couple months, then acting like “all is forgiven” sits kinda weird. If it was a eloquent documentary of a REAL person that would be fine imo, but otherwise It just kind of feels like you’re shoehorning sympathy. Romanticizing literal war criminals and murderers only really works if those crimes are of a completely fictional world, not based on real atrocities💀
@akaste4413
@akaste4413 2 года назад
he didn’t even turn good which makes it worse LOL he was still anti-semitic and stuff, he just had selective racism
@carolinpurayidom4570
@carolinpurayidom4570 2 года назад
I mean love can change people
@thatlemonadeguy6742
@thatlemonadeguy6742 2 года назад
The worst part is he didn't even change 💀 like just because he liked a black woman didn't make him less racist, just more selective with it. He literally had to die to get sympathy out of the audience.
@ilovemyseLf345
@ilovemyseLf345 2 года назад
the fact that there is nazi sympathizer movies and confederate sympathizer movies is shocking
@americanbookdragon
@americanbookdragon 2 года назад
Nah, it’s actually pretty predictable. Nazi beliefs weren’t eliminated and they weren’t primarily Nazi beliefs to begin with, a lot of ideas about eugenics and segregation were borrowed by Nazis from the United States There’s also a reason why confederate sympathizer movies are there: the lost cause myth perpetrated by the United Daughters of the Confederacy. The losers of the civil war were given their land back by Andrew Johnson if they groveled. The confederacy lost the war but they won the hearts and minds of the American people in their white washing of history.
@Catalina-Winemixer
@Catalina-Winemixer 2 года назад
Is it tho.
@ilovemyseLf345
@ilovemyseLf345 2 года назад
@@americanbookdragonyeah your right but it’s still so weird to see, like when i see people at my school trying to defend confederate stuff and like the confederate flag it’s so weird and just gross and same with the nazi stuff
@harrylane4
@harrylane4 2 года назад
Is it? You’re shocked there are white supremacist sympathizers.. in America?
@DJB_02
@DJB_02 2 года назад
lol no it's not
@brigc7755
@brigc7755 2 года назад
As a Cohen... why are they taking a traditional Jewish last name and using it as a first name??? For the one non-discriminated against character?? The creators failed on Step 1: name your characters
@molls127
@molls127 2 года назад
it has been used as a first name. it actually started as a title, it's hebrew for rabbi i think?
@dougalsii
@dougalsii 2 года назад
I thought the same thing, but the name used in the film is "Koen". I've lived in Germany for nearly 10 years and never heard this name. I looked it up, and it's a shortened form of the Dutch name Koenraad. Dutch =/ Deutsch. Just call him Konrad. It's not as bad as naming a Nazi Cohen, but the writer&director Amma Asante still F'd up the names. After looking up the cast, there are no Germans or Austrians, and it was filmed in Belgium and on the Isle of Man.
@brigc7755
@brigc7755 2 года назад
@@molls127 Ah okay, makes enough sense. Still.... odd tho
@brigc7755
@brigc7755 2 года назад
@@dougalsii That sounds like an entire mess omg
@Chosengirl1
@Chosengirl1 10 месяцев назад
Yes that really was disturbing
@frankiemermaid2027
@frankiemermaid2027 2 года назад
ok i get that a lot of nazis (like the children, not the adults) were brainwashed into these beliefs and they were literally all that they knew, but movies like this where you’re supposed to sympathise with the ones that should have known what they were doing was wrong really upsets me, not just as a jewish person but as a person generally. movies like jojo rabbit that shows how ridiculous the nazi beliefs were and show how the children were brainwashed into thinking those ridiculous things make sense to me and i like a lot. jojo rabbit is a great movie and i recommend that everybody watches that if they want to see a movie about nazis that a lot of people misunderstand and think is about sympathising with nazis but is literally the exact opposite
@cursecuelebre5485
@cursecuelebre5485 2 года назад
I totally agree with you, same with The Boy in The Stripe Pajamas. When a young boy is grown up under a household learning these anti-sematic views he doesn't understand why his friend is wearing Pjs not realizing their prison jumpsuits. It's heartbreaking and shows both boys don't understand why their different or why they couldn't play together. Much more darker than Jojo Rabbit but I highly recommend it as well.
@YouHadMeAtHalo
@YouHadMeAtHalo 2 года назад
@@cursecuelebre5485 that books shit tho, very unrealistic..
@CristalianaIvor
@CristalianaIvor 2 года назад
What people also should understand is that like... just imagine how the things are in China or North Korea today: back then you were litteraly exectuted or put into concentration camps for oposing the nazi regime? There were alot of legitimiate Nazis who lived out their power fantasies. No doubt about that. But for every nazi there probably were five people scared shitless that they will might loose everything if they don't do as they are told. And of course a lot of people falling into a grey area between those two "groups". And a few brave souls who fought against it all: There was "Die weiße Rose" (white rose) which was an organisation founded and run by a bunch of university students "just" printing and spreading flyers about the horrors the nazi regime did and they were simply executed (Sophie Scholl was part of it all, might have heard that name). Also alot of every day people who were hiding jews. There's only so much you can actually do. And I don't blame people for being afraid for their lifes - self preservation is natural. It's important. I hope I will never be in a similar situation, but I would have probably too just held my head down as good as I could to not risk litteraly loosing my life...
@summermackay7924
@summermackay7924 2 года назад
i can sympathize with the teenagers as well, but only if they grew up with the beliefs in their household
@Aisha_Luv
@Aisha_Luv 2 года назад
@@cursecuelebre5485 boy in the striped pajamas is awful and inaccurate.
@allisonnicole1659
@allisonnicole1659 2 года назад
I genuinely did not know that there were people who made these movies. Who wrote these? And actually made it? Writing out dialogue, doing auditions, hiring people, and full on producing it and not once they were like “maybe this is just a tiny bit insensitive and disgusting”
@melowlw8638
@melowlw8638 2 года назад
if ure interested in more jewish perspectives on cinema ladyknightthebrave did an essay on jojo rabbit and the book thief and another video with a man who specialises his knowledge of cinema on holocaust cinema!! they talk about some holocaust movies together and the tropes they use
@erikdaniels0n
@erikdaniels0n 2 года назад
@@melowlw8638 the video she did with the holocaust movie expert was SO enlightening and also hilarious
@melowlw8638
@melowlw8638 2 года назад
@@erikdaniels0n yes!! the lighthearted tone was probably necessary for these ridiculous movies tbh and his articles are also interesting and the one about the memorials he went to were shocking to say the least
@persephone69420
@persephone69420 2 года назад
The writer was a black woman who said she was trying to portray the story of the "Rhineland Bastards" (Mixed black and german people) in nazi germany. I think the producers probably rewrote it and made it into a romance and that's why it's so bad. btw the guy who produced was one of the guys outted during the me too movement.
@theforgotten1213
@theforgotten1213 2 года назад
@@persephone69420 I beleive that dude was also her husband.
@iiiaaaaaannnnnaah
@iiiaaaaaannnnnaah 2 года назад
kind of loving Grayson’s movie critic era
@rx500android
@rx500android 2 года назад
Sameeee
@M1dniter
@M1dniter 2 года назад
I'm all about it.
@TheSofkujepanen
@TheSofkujepanen 2 года назад
Same, like it so much more than all that petty boring drama😅 only watched those videos because i like her and hearing her opinions, but damn, all that drama couldn't be less interesting to me 😂
@valeriarossini543
@valeriarossini543 2 года назад
literally same
@AyeYanna
@AyeYanna 2 года назад
Same
@alexi6383
@alexi6383 2 года назад
the idea that nazis didn't know what was happening during the holocaust or didn't know hitler's goals is so disgustingly inaccurate. hitler was not hiding his intentions, he publicly spoke about his genocidal goals. and many germans knowingly and outwardly supported it! they watched their neighbors being forcibly removed from their homes never to return, they watched concentration camp prisoners work in the factories in their towns, and many either did not care or were happy about it. the idea that germans didn't know is a post-world war 2 attempt by complicit germans to separate themselves from the holocaust and the war so as not to be "punished."
@Naikomi95
@Naikomi95 4 дня назад
The broad public didn't know
@no1meu
@no1meu 2 года назад
Also I feel like the elephant in the room, the boy in the striped pajamas, should be addressed. The story is historically inaccurate and is fiction written by a man who isn’t jewish, and the story tries to humanize the nazis and their son (the mc in the film, alongside a jewish character who lives in the camp.) it’s historically revisionist for many reasons but also for the fact it is very unlikely that Shmuel (the Jewish boy) would actually have met Bruno (the nazi’s son), because Jewish children were sent to gas chambers and killed instantaneously, and if they weren’t killed, they were experimented on (ex. Mengele’s twin experiments). Also, Bruno wouldn’t have been empathetic to Shmuel. From day one German children were spoon fed antisemitic propaganda, leading up to the Shoah in classes the “Aryan” students would point out the differences between them and the Jewish students. It seems as if Bruno doesn’t know what a Jewish person is in the film until he meets Shmuel, when he definitely would have. Germans were well aware of the Holocaust and complicit in the Nazis’ crimes, the idea that they didn’t have any knowledge of what was going on is so so harmful and false.
@violetsonja5938
@violetsonja5938 2 года назад
Say it louder for the people in the back, especially that last point. If the government spread all kinds of anti-Hispanic rhetoric, forced them into ghettos and one day I could not find one anywhere, I would some questions at least. And that's ignoring the cases where 'normal people' actively participated in harming Jewish communities. Edit: I forgot to mention, the Holocaust was not the first time in German history where they killed Jews either. The signs (in come cases literally) were everywhere.
@dfmrcv862
@dfmrcv862 2 года назад
The Boy in the Stripes Pajamas is more a tale of the innocence of children in awful circumstances. Also there is nothing wrong with humanizing Nazis. They were people and an excellent example that the road to hell is paved with good intentions (it's incredibly easy to forget that Nazis believed what they were doing was good). Plus, the message of said film is that the ideology of the Nazis led to these horrible circumstances, and the suffering the family goes through is of their own making.
@bellasomi7655
@bellasomi7655 2 года назад
your average german had no idea about the concentration camp it was hidden from the public people got taken away from the citys and if you asked or spoked up they would cut your throat only high ranking nazis knew what was goin on inside the camps
@bellasomi7655
@bellasomi7655 2 года назад
@@violetsonja5938 hispanic???????? tf you mean anti semitic?
@violetsonja5938
@violetsonja5938 2 года назад
@@bellasomi7655 No, I don't. I mean what I typed. I was giving an example with a different group. My point is, even if there wasn't a history of targeting and killing Jews (there was) it would still be suspicious for them to disappear. If Mexicans all suddenly disappeared tomorrow I would start asking questions even though we don't have a history of gassing Hispanic people to death. The average German adult had to know something was going on or they put their head in the sand.
@hazybubblegum
@hazybubblegum 2 года назад
If they where going to make a movie about Nazi anything, it should have been about those like 6 teenagers who where apart if hitler youth and realized that what they where doing was wrong, and became activists against what was happening and got murdered for trying to hold a protest at their university
@disneyprincessintraining2725
@disneyprincessintraining2725 2 года назад
That would be a cool movie
@danigirii
@danigirii 2 года назад
is that the white roses?
@Kris-jt8hg
@Kris-jt8hg 2 года назад
@@danigirii I think so
@hazybubblegum
@hazybubblegum 2 года назад
@@danigirii yes! They where mostly siblings I think. I definitely think their ability to despite being indoctrinated into such a hateful place to shown so much empathy was amazing more than this movie for sure
@MissCaraMint
@MissCaraMint 2 года назад
That would be interesting. Or maybe film the Norwegian Novel «Lillerlord» and it’s sequels. It’s written after the war as an attempt by an author trying to make sense of what kind of person could become a Nazi. The first book is an examination of his childhood. Dude is not…. eh very nice.
@isaak1748
@isaak1748 2 года назад
As a Jew, this is gonna be interesting because I constantly wonder the same thing.
@hopeadkins6291
@hopeadkins6291 2 года назад
Same.
@pembrokelove
@pembrokelove 2 года назад
Third.
@mady4349
@mady4349 2 года назад
Me four
@rachaelschwartz8664
@rachaelschwartz8664 2 года назад
Don't we all
@cowboylikesar
@cowboylikesar 2 года назад
literally same. so happy to see someone talking about it.
@taniar2739
@taniar2739 2 года назад
I feel like American History X and Jojo Rabbit did a good job showing us why people fall for fascism.
@kingofflamingos4344
@kingofflamingos4344 2 года назад
Agreed and I kind of wish there was a movie that atlest explains how did people and Germany ( weimar Republic) went through the nazis by not just showing thier rise to power, but how the environment of the weimar Republic was not it top shape due to the treaty of Versailles and ect and not these "s/he can change him/her" where a literal victim of genocide is trying to change someone who seen no problem with participating in said genocide (unless they realize the consequences of bailing out of it since the secret police and what not) until that very moment.
@xenon3990
@xenon3990 Год назад
@@kingofflamingos4344 ye. My biggest problem is that they humanize the actual nazis in these movies. Not the Germans living under the regime, not the soldiers drafted to serve in the Wehrmacht thinking it’s gonna be for glory and to redo WW1 and show the British, no the straight up nazis, the ones that go and spout aryan rethorik and belive in the shit the party pushed.
@kingofflamingos4344
@kingofflamingos4344 Год назад
@@xenon3990 and it usually in the middle or near end of the war (or at lest im starting to notice) which is the "too late to backout now, that ass is getting Nuremberg'ed" zone
@xenon3990
@xenon3990 Год назад
@@kingofflamingos4344 yes indeed. I heard Babylon Berlin is very good, and it’s set in the 20s in the Weimarer republic with everything that entails
@why7189
@why7189 2 года назад
American history X is a good example of a movie that (heavily) touches on neonazism without trying to whitewash everything and turn it into a corny story where "the bad guys just needed a hug and now theyre good and forgiven by the group they hated and now everything is ok 🤗🤗🤗". That movie is HEAVY.
@lynnpayne9519
@lynnpayne9519 2 года назад
I love that movie. It's so good. Anyone who has not seen it yet, please do.
@loonylovegood141
@loonylovegood141 2 года назад
Sew trew
@shaunsteele8244
@shaunsteele8244 2 года назад
I like how at the end when he's no longer racist, the black kid at school just blows him away for no reason. Oh yeah, he got some smoke blown in his face. Totally justifies killing someone lol
@scienceandtechnologyrocks6802
@scienceandtechnologyrocks6802 2 года назад
Also, Downfall
@kiwiblastnrg795
@kiwiblastnrg795 Год назад
@@shaunsteele8244 The ending is about the cycle of violence and hatred. At no point the movie tries to justifies that murder, on the contrary: it's a tragedy.
@americanbookdragon
@americanbookdragon 2 года назад
Lately I’ve been interested in all of the aftermath of WWII. Mass suicides and how POWs were treated. Like, I don’t think the repercussions are really explored as an interesting story. It’s just assumed that the war itself was the interesting bit. Massive amounts of people were displaced, people were still killing each other. If we’re going to be forced to pay attention to Nazis in a humanizing light, I’d rather it be a true story about the aftermath of allied occupation and the harrowing realization of the impact of the propaganda they were fed than some bullshit story about a black girl and a Nazi white boy falling in love. Does that even make sense?
@melowlw8638
@melowlw8638 2 года назад
i already commented this in another comment reply but if ure interested in more jewish perspectives on cinema ladyknightthebrave did an essay on jojo rabbit and the book thief and another video with a man who specialises his knowledge of cinema on holocaust cinema!! they talk about some holocaust movies together and the tropes they use
@americanbookdragon
@americanbookdragon 2 года назад
@@melowlw8638 I’m a history student that reads WWII books on a semi-regular basis. I’m good. 😊
@melowlw8638
@melowlw8638 2 года назад
@@americanbookdragon yeah obviously u dont have to!! im sorry if i came off as condescending in any way i just thought it would be something that could interest u is there any good book u have found particularly interesting abt the topic btw?? (if u dont mind sharing ofc) im also somewhat of a history student (arts history) and i could definitely benefit from more history oriented knowledge
@americanbookdragon
@americanbookdragon 2 года назад
@@melowlw8638 I've kept track of what I have read for 17 years, here's what I could find. Hitler by Albert Marrin Child of the Holocaust by Jack Kuper Night by Elie Wiesel Sir Winston Churchhill by Arthur H. Booth The Rise and Fall of Adolf Hitler by William L. Shirer Man's Search for Meaning by Viktor E. Frankl Maus 1 & 2 by Art Spiegelman The Book Theif by Markus Zusak Ike by Michael Korda D-Day by Antony Beevor Warlord by Carlo D’Este’s Navajo Weapon by Sally McClain Ordinary Men by Christopher R. Browning On Hitler's Mountain by Irmgard Hunt Red Sky, Black Death by Anna Timofeyeva-Yegorova The Nazi Officer's Wife by Edith H. Beer The Monuments Men by Robert M. Edsel Code Talker by Chester Nez It Happened in Italy by Elizabeth Bettina A Lucky Child by Thomas Buergenthal Defying Hitler by Sebastian Haffner When Books Went to War by Mollly Manning Underground in Berlin by Marie Simon The Last Jews in Berlin by Leonard Gross The Most Dangerous Book by Christpher Krebs Hitler's Furies by Wendy Lower Denial by Deborah Lipstadt The End: Hamburg 1943 by Hans Erich Nossack The Man Who Broke Into Auschwitz by Denis Avey The War by Marguerite Duras Auschwitz by Tibère Kremer The Nazi Doctors by Robert Jay Lifton
@melowlw8638
@melowlw8638 2 года назад
@@americanbookdragon thats really kind of you!! thanks a lot i hope ur researching of WWII continues to be fulfilling and i hope i get to have that chance with my own studies
@Crybabyclover
@Crybabyclover 2 года назад
People in the comments mad she didn’t buy the other movie…I don’t think she wanted to directly give those ppl money. Also people are allowed to spend money on what they want even if you think it’s silly, I’m sure the decorations she bought in a past video are cool.
@thefartpooper5k423
@thefartpooper5k423 2 года назад
no ones angry lol
@NeuroticBotanist
@NeuroticBotanist 2 года назад
@@thefartpooper5k423 there was like one person who was pissed about it
@sheisaMachine
@sheisaMachine 2 года назад
It’s not even remotely good. I’ve seen a review and it’s … 🥴
@lisa.222
@lisa.222 2 года назад
growing up learning about what happened in Germany, they almost never touched on the fact that black ppl or anything not white was not accepted and would also be in the camps. I found it interesting and surprising as a child.
@namjoonie936
@namjoonie936 2 года назад
@@sternchen6077 its not an american thing, holocausts just isnt talked about properly because my country (australia) you dont learn much about it either.
@namjoonie936
@namjoonie936 2 года назад
what do you mean “anything” people arent things …
@namjoonie936
@namjoonie936 2 года назад
lgbt+ where effected too
@genericname2747
@genericname2747 2 года назад
Yeah, while Jewish people were a majority of the people killed, anyone not deemed "normal" was also targeted.
@sternchen6077
@sternchen6077 2 года назад
@@namjoonie936 God my English was horrible, so it's easy to misunderstand what I said. I was saying that America spends years on WWII and pretty much wastes the time. It also glosses over its atrocities despite highlighting ones commited by other countries.
@NaeOnYT
@NaeOnYT 2 года назад
"My brother in Christ, you are a Nazi and this is Nazi camp. The call is coming from inside the house." That almost made me do a spit take.
@wakemeupinside83
@wakemeupinside83 2 года назад
One time someone sent me a screenshot from neo Ned and said “this could be us” I’m black and they were white 💀💀💀
@liablau
@liablau 2 года назад
NOOO 😭💀
@daniellewillis2767
@daniellewillis2767 2 года назад
Maybe he was joking and you were, in the immortal words of #CancelColbert martyr Suey Park, unwilling to "enact the labour" to get the joke?
@rotting-room
@rotting-room 2 года назад
Why would they think that's okay to say???
@daniellewillis2767
@daniellewillis2767 2 года назад
@@rotting-room awww, because he wuvved you.
@lucyandecember2843
@lucyandecember2843 2 года назад
Bitch RUN-
@thottywizard
@thottywizard 2 года назад
The fact that someone not only made a movie about this, but multiple people did? That's absurd.
@dfmrcv862
@dfmrcv862 2 года назад
Why is it absurd?
@At0mic_Asteroid
@At0mic_Asteroid 2 года назад
@@dfmrcv862 Do you not realize how terrible this movie is.
@dfmrcv862
@dfmrcv862 2 года назад
@@At0mic_Asteroid what movie?
@haileyparsons3844
@haileyparsons3844 2 года назад
@@dfmrcv862 The movie she is talking in the film, the one that stars Amandla.
@gasket1996
@gasket1996 2 года назад
"he isn't racist, he likes jazz" "he isn't racist he likes rap"
@niaram
@niaram 2 года назад
i feel this movie COULD’VE possibly been done well. it would work if… 1. the nazi boyfriend was only a nazi bc his dad is forcing him, he’s against the whole thing 2. the main character’s internalized racism was addressed (and resolved at the end) 3. There was a story for the father. He wasn’t deadbeat, but unable to be there either by death or camps 4. The characters weren’t so selfish OR make it a comedy/parody. the whole point is satire, it is not meant to be taken seriously. it just shows pure stupidity and the horrors of the Holocaust
@SelenaDorlis
@SelenaDorlis Год назад
I find it ironic that all these things were actually true, the boyfriend clearly didn't want to be a Nazi after seeing what they did. He had thought that he was being a "hero" for his country but realized that this was just barbaric. The main characters internalized racism was literally just parroting things that were said to her ENTIRE life. Also how were the characters Selfish. I watched the movie and throughout l just bawled the ending was tragic and realistic. The movie was amazing and after watching l realize how grateful l am to not have to live a life like that .sorry for the rant, it's just l had initially put off the movie because l also thought it was the typical "l can change him" story. However it's not, the girl didn't "change him, he was always a good person who was being brainwashed and when he finally realized that it was wrong he was already too deep in.
@niaram
@niaram Год назад
@@SelenaDorlis i’ve never actually watched it so i based my opinion on this video alone. but u definitely made me want to check it out
@SelenaDorlis
@SelenaDorlis Год назад
@@niaram should definitely check it out, however l advise you to prepare your heart for this one, their are some heavy topics talked about, l don't want to spoil you but after watching it l just started crying, l mean full on sobbing. I've never cried watching a movie before, or at least not like that
@rx500android
@rx500android 2 года назад
As a POC Jew, movies like this sicken me. We have to deal with antisemitism and racism on a daily fcking basis, and now we have movies that are basically "haha antisemitism and racism is so quirky and whimsical!" Like.... NO.
@namjoonie936
@namjoonie936 2 года назад
calling yourself a poc jew dosnt make sense. just say your skin tone if u want people to know. your meant to use poc when talking about multiple races at once.
@whywyatt376
@whywyatt376 2 года назад
*Jew of colour Also DBH pfp lol!
@sk8tingkenz421
@sk8tingkenz421 2 года назад
@@namjoonie936 I don’t know if the POC thing is true, but OP doesn’t need to tell you their race.
@namjoonie936
@namjoonie936 2 года назад
@@sk8tingkenz421 i dont care about their race my comment is about how they dont know how to use ‘poc’ and so it automatically makes no sense. “as a person of colour jew” “as a people of colour jew” .
@FriggOff
@FriggOff 2 года назад
But it is quirky and whimsical oy vey
@theonlychangbinstan5488
@theonlychangbinstan5488 2 года назад
im not gonna lie, i got traumatised by 'Where hands touch' that movie is so bad and the fact that, like you said, they tried to water down nazisism is disgusting and gross. and the fact that such good actors played in such a dumb scripted movie. i've watched alot of war movies and 'Where hands touch' is the most fucking horrible one...
@lindahl458
@lindahl458 2 года назад
Also, anti-Semitism and racism was pretty engrained (to varying degrees) in ALL of Europe. I mean, eugenics was still a very resent thing at that time and her parents would have been raised with it.
@hoodiegirl7221
@hoodiegirl7221 2 года назад
If someone's interested in Neo Ned, Kennie JD did a review in her "Bad Movies and a Beat" series and I saw the video a while back, so I don't remember it well but yeah the movie is mostly "you're not one of the bad ones"
@pumkin610
@pumkin610 2 года назад
Oh those troublesome bad ones
@ositaiza888
@ositaiza888 2 года назад
it would've been one thing if it was a story abt her internalized racism and it became her realizing it's all propaganda and trying to be an activist or smth.... idk there was a lot of weird choices
@Biancaleigh693
@Biancaleigh693 2 года назад
There is a book of almost this exact premise but a boy. It is something like growing up black in Nazi germany or something. He literally wanted to join the hitler youth and the seniors of it couldn't let him even though they wanted to let him in the book was in 1980 or something. Republished in 2008 maybe
@boyfriend-online
@boyfriend-online 2 года назад
what’s truly wild is that i think this is a fantasy for some people?? i knew someone who told me they wanted to fall in love with a reformed nazi, and was completely serious about it. like that is not a goal 😭 some people just really like the idea of fixing people
@solaceseries
@solaceseries 2 года назад
its sick. they need help.
@daniellewillis2767
@daniellewillis2767 2 года назад
It's the uniforms. They like the uniforms. 75 years of Hugo Boss, am I right?
@daniellewillis2767
@daniellewillis2767 2 года назад
There's even Yaoi anime about it...
@Jen-uk6ly
@Jen-uk6ly 2 года назад
I think they’re the ones who need to get fixed 😭
@memo-fq3ps
@memo-fq3ps 2 года назад
@@daniellewillis2767 Isn't there an Asian country that had this weird fashion fad where they started wearing the Nazi uniform because they thought the they looked cool? I don't know if it's still a trend. I hope not. Edit: the country was Thailand.
@nervousbreakdown711
@nervousbreakdown711 2 года назад
It is actually possible for white supremacists to be deradicalized by interacting with the groups they hate so much. But I’d prefer that story done by someone in a targeted group so we can avoid the whole “apologist” issue
@pennyw2226
@pennyw2226 2 года назад
Yeah, like how hard is it for people to just. Let someone else who experienced things for real tell their story.
@lucyandecember2843
@lucyandecember2843 2 года назад
aswell as it doesn't have to be a romance story, im so tired of it allways having to be a love story!!
@namjoonie936
@namjoonie936 2 года назад
theirs a really good ted talk by a deradicalized famous white supremacist, who talks about his personal journey being radicalised and deradicalized and then also someone he helped deradicalized also
@frogwitch2805
@frogwitch2805 2 года назад
side note, my older brother worked at a juvenile correctional facility a while ago where a kid raised by a neo-nazi family and he was like scared of the black kids at the facility until he actually opened up and like he was just straight up brainwashed by his abusive parents into being a lil skinhead. hopefully he’s okay now, by this point he’s well into adulthood so hopefully he wasn’t re-indoctrinated into that cult
@piss7610
@piss7610 2 года назад
I hope he's okay too :( hate is taught, no kid is racist just brainwashed
@welfare_king
@welfare_king 2 года назад
Did everyone start clapping?
@boboblueblue2
@boboblueblue2 2 года назад
I think the scene with Lutz’ dad was maybe supposed to imply that the dad isn’t _that_ bad of a Nazi. Like sure he’s still a Nazi, and sure he’s still terrible to the prisoners, but he’s not _as_ terrible as all of the other Nazi generals. So that must mean that he hasn’t taught Lutz any of that _really_ bad Nazi propaganda, just the _kind of_ bad Nazi propaganda! Isn’t Lutz such a good Nazi boy from a good Nazi family! /s
@liablau
@liablau 2 года назад
Right?? What the hell 💀
@lynpotter6471
@lynpotter6471 2 года назад
I think the scene was to inform his decision to shoot Lutz later. He's already under suspicion, so he can't afford to have his son openly dating an undesirable. However, since they refuse to actually engage with any of this, it doesn't come across very well.
@aspiringbeamoflight7047
@aspiringbeamoflight7047 2 года назад
Lutz, a walking 🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩 Leyna: aww he wiped my shoes 😍😍😍😍
@BethDiane
@BethDiane 2 года назад
There's a book called "The Nazi Officer's Wife, " which tells the story of a Jewish woman name Edith Hahn Beer, who married a Nazi officer. Unfortunately, after the war, the former officer couldn't bring himself to live with a wife with a law degree who was now a government official and not pretending to be a good little German hausfrau, so they divorced. I think the wife ended up emigrating to England.
@katea5740
@katea5740 2 года назад
You got the circumcision thing backwards. Jews=circumcised, nazis=not circumcised.
@laurieawesomeness7221
@laurieawesomeness7221 2 года назад
(As a black girl) WHHYYYYYY, WHYYYYY. WHO ASKED FOR THIS
@stressedwes9565
@stressedwes9565 2 года назад
2:10 the sound that left my body when you said "jeremy renner"....
@hatelanguge
@hatelanguge 2 года назад
my great grandpa was a german man high up the ranks that was married to a Jewish woman and the mother of his unborn child, his father funding nazi projects and bribing them managed to hold off problems with her. she'd eventually be killed just because she's a jew and he was arranged to marry the aryan woman that would become my great grandma, when people make "omg some nazi people are good🥺🥺" movies i wonder in they realize these men end up marrying their own and having children with them.
@FurikoMaru
@FurikoMaru 2 года назад
To be perfectly honest, I would argue that _no_ movies about the Nazis are made for Jewish people. Like, Jewish kids get an age-appropriate explanation of the Holocaust when they're around six, it's kind of an important part of their social development to understand why certain elderly relatives behave the way they do. Given that context, why would any of them want to see a movie about shit that happened to their families? I know _I'm_ not interested in watching movies about the genocide of First Nations people, and I'm barely even Metis.
@grape198
@grape198 2 года назад
Yep.
@adamrutherford8523
@adamrutherford8523 2 года назад
Or a non age appropriate explaination that would later explain why they're like the way they are.
@shaunsteele8244
@shaunsteele8244 2 года назад
wtf... who tells their kids about the holocaust when they're 6 lol
@amywalker250
@amywalker250 Год назад
You got it exactly right. It's one of the first things I learned about as a kid. When I visited the Holocaust museum in Berlin, I realized the museum wasn't really made for Jewish people like me. It was made for everyone else-- to teach them who Jews are. Holocaust media often isn't made for us and, as evidenced by the movies Grayson described, sometimes doesn't even have our humanity in mind.
@LunaWitcher
@LunaWitcher 2 года назад
I think the fact that this movie exists and it has relatively big names in it should clue people into what the nature of the film industry really is, regarding the big guys and the money guys in there.
@SleepyPrincess3002
@SleepyPrincess3002 2 года назад
Yuppp
@memo-fq3ps
@memo-fq3ps 2 года назад
Exactly. And yet people think that Hollywood has a "liberal agenda". I always say this, they try to seem progressive just so that the general public supports them by watching their movies, but Hollywood isn't as progressive as they try to look. They still benefit and support far right beliefs more than many would assume.
@SleepyPrincess3002
@SleepyPrincess3002 2 года назад
@@memo-fq3ps Yup!!
@TheRando69
@TheRando69 4 месяца назад
Could you elaborate?
@crimsonperkyelf3729
@crimsonperkyelf3729 2 года назад
'My brother in christ" was my last straw before I bust out laughing
@outorii4659
@outorii4659 2 года назад
I feel like the key thing studios get wrong is that most of the time good people aren’t “forced” to do bad things, rather average people are radicalized. It doesn’t make them somehow exempt from their hateful actions. It isn’t really anyones duty to try to empathize with them, but rather recognize and avoid the same patterns today
@shinigamisougiya1576
@shinigamisougiya1576 2 года назад
I told one of my black friends about vaguely remembering a movie with Jeremy Renner as N@zi. She managed to find a link somehow and we both sat and watched it. It had no age rating, but boi dropped like 20 slurs in 1 second. And most importantly we were confused because it seemed by the end he was a "good guy" but we didn't buy it. Better to pirate these types of films lol.
@asuspiciouslyefficientmito8338
@asuspiciouslyefficientmito8338 2 года назад
I’m a Jew and Where Hands Touch gave me such a migraine it took me a week to get through it. I don't know who thought that would be a good idea but it was not ❤
@rorymarcel228
@rorymarcel228 2 года назад
I didn’t think it was that bad I think it was just showing the black experience in nazi Germany but you know they have to add romance with a nazi for some reason.
@GamesTube80
@GamesTube80 8 месяцев назад
​@@rorymarcel228Calling the kid deliberated Nazi is so stupid. You really didn't seen the end of the movie as well
@ok-ts4bt
@ok-ts4bt 2 года назад
it is so hard for me to believe that the nazi love interest played the main character in 1917 only a year later💀
@NeuroticBotanist
@NeuroticBotanist 2 года назад
IKR? It’s so baffling.
@Aki-gb8gm
@Aki-gb8gm 2 года назад
I judt hope the actors were incredibly desperate for a role 💀
@cosmic7336
@cosmic7336 2 года назад
no because George McKay is actually a REALLY good actor 💀 what happened my dude
@manja7031
@manja7031 2 года назад
I don’t mean to nitpick, but America was actually more involved in the Pacific area of the war fighting Japan, than the one in Europe. Don’t get me wrong, they sent reinforcements to help the European allies, but generally the war in Europe isn’t referred to as America and their allies vs Germany.
@dariaermolenko8986
@dariaermolenko8986 2 года назад
Thanks so much for your comment! As an Eastern European hearing “America and allies” really threw me off there. I wonder if it’s because of how the history is being presented in schools in different countries.
@rosechapman2734
@rosechapman2734 2 года назад
@@dariaermolenko8986 As someone who went to public school in America, for WWII, we were taught almost nothing about our involvement in the Pacific and instead were heavily focused on Europe. I learned most of my history from my father and reading on my own becuase the American school systems are NOT reliable and I am very ashamed of the education I was given. Abstinence (plus) sex education; American-centric history (no mentions of the horrors we committed or the crimes of our forefathers); math was on the backburner. Spanish teacher (who was not a native Spanish speaker) would mark native speakers sentences wrong because it wasn't "Castilian" Spanish and was instead "Tex-Mex".... We were in Texas, where EVERY SPANISH SPEAKER can understand the Tex-Mex dialect, not Castilian which is spoken in SPAIN. My school didn't offer classes on tax prep or financing. As well as in my public school they HIGHLY favored "christian" kids and had crosses in the office, they even once "warned" us about a speaker coming that "was not of the faith." American public school is a joke, I had to teach and re-teach myself so much. This is not that long ago, I'm only 23.
@kaemincha
@kaemincha Год назад
America essentially teaches young chidlren that we have (almost) single-handedly won every war for the past 300 years lol... It's incredibly watered-down
@fernthaisetthawatkul5569
@fernthaisetthawatkul5569 Месяц назад
thank you for mentioning this, it drives me absolutely BONKERS to hear americans say this, along with "i don't have an accent" and "ballet is a sport". anyone who has studied even a little of the history of european ww2 (outside of school) would know that the country that sacrificed the most and carried the heaviest burden (b/c they had no other choice) was the soviet union!
@Naikomi95
@Naikomi95 4 дня назад
​@@fernthaisetthawatkul5569they were the aggressor, so it's not really suffering
@elizabethlolo96
@elizabethlolo96 2 года назад
I really don't know why but for a movie set in 1940's Germany, with German characters, this felt very American
@erikdaniels0n
@erikdaniels0n 2 года назад
Bruh, I’ve known about Neo Ned for years, and I’m still like *stares at the camera like on The Office* whenever I hear about it. Like HOW is this a thing that exists??
@n0m4nic
@n0m4nic 2 года назад
Watch it and find out
@peewee139
@peewee139 2 года назад
i recommend Kennie JD’s video on it, the movie is soo bad
@ddjsoyenby
@ddjsoyenby 2 года назад
i wanna check it out..........i'm curious i don't actually support neo n@z1s ok.
@n0m4nic
@n0m4nic 2 года назад
@@ddjsoyenby Its not really NAZI shit.
@devinwalker4161
@devinwalker4161 2 года назад
I am someone that believes that people can reach redemption and I love to see it. I think life is a constant battle of being better and not being perfect. That being said, I couldn’t watch this movie. It watered down what was actually happening in Nazi Germany. Like you said, the teenagernew what they were doing. They were being taught. They may not have known the full implications, but teenagers can tell right from wrong. These sympathizer movies are very irresponsible. I could have bought soooo much cheesecake with the money they wasted on this movie.
@hernerweisenberg7052
@hernerweisenberg7052 2 года назад
Right and wrong is tought, its not in our DNA or something. Its a construct of society. If you grew up in some native tribe that eats the tribe next door you probably wouldn't have any problem with cannibalism for example and me neither. If you lived in roman times in a roman family it would be perfectly normal to have slaves or be punished for your families crimes. Equally, if you grew up in a nazi familiy and get tought nazi stuff in school and in the hitler youth, chances are you become a loyal nazi. Many of them thought of Hitler as some kind of infallible god, like people in North Korea think of those Kim's.
@shaunsteele8244
@shaunsteele8244 2 года назад
no one in Germany in the midst of the war knew what was going on. All they knew was they were at war, and their government was feeding them a constant stream of propaganda telling them why they were in the right. The average German had no idea there were "death camps", that was a state secret.
@lecio7017
@lecio7017 2 года назад
Grayson I love this so much from you. I like watching movie critiques in general but hearing it from you makes it all the more satisfying.
@ayadali4634
@ayadali4634 2 года назад
I'm reading articles about what the main actress and the director had to say about the film, and she says it was meant to portray a biracial experience in Nazi Germany. So... why is there a love interest? why didn't the director make a movie purely about being biracial in Nazi Germany...
@Naikomi95
@Naikomi95 4 дня назад
It was better to be black in Nazi germany the to be black in the United states
@rachaelschwartz8664
@rachaelschwartz8664 2 года назад
There's LOTS of really problematic films about Nazis and the Holocaust. Once you start looking closer at the mini industry-inside-the-film-industry that are these movies, it becomes pretty clear how fucked up it is. Most of it is trauma porn and white savior veneration, and a lot of it refuses to give Jews any voice, humanity, agency, or Jewish identity (Schindler's List is a great example of this - Jews are basically props. And it, like lots of these movies, fails to cast Jews in Jewish roles). Claude Lanzmann, a Holocaust survivor who made a 9.5 hour long documentary about the Holocaust, hated Holocaust movies for these reasons. The only one he liked that I know of is 'Son of Saul.' (Edit: People are commenting to tell me that Schindler's List is a bad example for my point. It's not. Jewish journalists and scholars have written lots about this - Tablet, Forward, Dara Horn, etc. Just because Spielberg is Jewish and had good intentions doesn't mean that he can't produce media that plays into systemic dehumanization of Jews. Any member of a minority group can unintentionally produce media harmful to their group, especially when that media's commercial success depends on approval from a society that historically oppressed that group.)
@sarahlaurent62
@sarahlaurent62 2 года назад
I think Schindler's List is not a great example of what you're talking about since the director and producer is Steven Spielberg, who is not only Jewish but talked at length about his creative process for the movie and how his Jewishness influenced it. I get your point, just the movie is a really bad example.
@squidcurls7646
@squidcurls7646 2 года назад
Schindler's List is actually a pretty respected Holocaust movie among Jews for the most part. Boy in the Striped Pajamas tho is a good example of the trauma porn :)
@espeon871
@espeon871 2 года назад
Yep, i think its like a fucked trend in hollywood, basically like using minorities this case, jews, as objectified props, to basically exploit their trauma in order to basically use as a prop to fucking shape the non minority mc’s story
@meli1344
@meli1344 2 года назад
@@squidcurls7646 could you explain how the boy in the striped pajamas trauma porn? i just want a better understanding of it
@thatlemonadeguy6742
@thatlemonadeguy6742 2 года назад
@@meli1344 well, have you seen it?
@pkmarie04
@pkmarie04 2 года назад
My dad was Jewish and my mom is French, so let’s just say my family and nazi’s don’t have the best history (luckily though my dads side of the family immigrated to the United States during the early 1900’s so my family wasn’t directly affected by the Holocaust, my deepest condolences to anyones loved ones who have been affected)
@liablau
@liablau 2 года назад
Thank God your family managed to stay somewhat safe! 🙏
@Jcaeser187
@Jcaeser187 2 года назад
Rip to the 200k who died of natural causes in labor camps
@genericname2747
@genericname2747 2 года назад
@@Jcaeser187 Gonna cry? Gonna pee your pants and sob?
@lightningstudios3630
@lightningstudios3630 2 года назад
Neo Ned genuinely sounds like one of those fake shitpost movies you'd see on like GTA 5 or South Park
@nikasa_a4650
@nikasa_a4650 2 года назад
The girl in this movie reminds me of a classmate I once knew. She was claiming she was Austrian and nothing else and did not like to be associated with her culture, what I found really sad. I always loved my culture. Anyway, I always told her that I didn't see her as a skin bag but as who she was.
@adamelcher679
@adamelcher679 2 года назад
I think it’s kind of interesting how they posed Lena as someone who also identifies with her German-ness and not just her blackness . . . but that doesn’t change the fact that she was racialized as black and has no concept of self preservation whatsoever. The obvious idiocy of sympathizing with nazis aside, the writers certainly could have done a better job with developing that theme.
@soph7173
@soph7173 2 года назад
your movie discussion videos have been so good Grayson, i love it
@cybrpunk
@cybrpunk 2 года назад
This sounds like the type of movie Ben Shapiro's production company would make.
@Crybabyclover
@Crybabyclover 2 года назад
The fact these movies exist disgusts me and breaks my heart.
@brib6046
@brib6046 2 года назад
I do like the fact that Afro Germans who were victims of the Holocaust were highlighted but I wish it could have been done better.
@mooksplays
@mooksplays 2 года назад
as a german living in germany, i only accept jojo rabbit. period. EDIT: when "where hands touch" got released, i was physically upset. It turned our history into a fucking wattpad story lol....
@melodyscorpion6606
@melodyscorpion6606 9 месяцев назад
As a German based Pole....ya....
@MielleRose
@MielleRose 2 года назад
I enjoyed this critique very much. I remember reading the summary of this movie and just being completely flabbergasted that so many people signed off on that and thought it was a good idea
@idiotwhodoesthings
@idiotwhodoesthings 2 года назад
anyone who wanted to see more about neo ned, kennie jd did a commentary video on it and i highly recommend you watch!! she goes into the issues of the whole black people being expected to redeem horrible racists and the other implications of the movie. she’s also hilarious and her and grayson are the only people i actually watch on this platform lol
@vivchim
@vivchim 2 года назад
as someone who’s polish and great grandparents were in world war II, these movies make me sick- especially what fellow Poles went through.
@shibaanx1166
@shibaanx1166 2 года назад
I caught your phineas and ferb reference with the nickels 👍
@moonniieee
@moonniieee 2 года назад
This was definitely a fetishist movie
@blablablaj
@blablablaj 2 года назад
Oh gosh, I german and I remember reading a book in German class about smth similar like where hands touch. Except there was a black boy who insisted that he was as aryan as the white guys in germany and couldn't understand until the end his fate. I guess this story is based on that pretty historical book
@sanriobraincell
@sanriobraincell 2 года назад
0:53 "i cannot do this, this cannot work" *persists nonetheless* ( also me when neo ned gets produced.. all of this money. and for what. )
@solongfarewell6896
@solongfarewell6896 2 года назад
She gives “I can change him, he loves me”
@donalddarko5807
@donalddarko5807 2 года назад
American History X does the neo naz main characters thing pretty well. The main guy does change but he still faces the consequences of his actions and his change was executed and explained well.
@shaunsteele8244
@shaunsteele8244 2 года назад
he didn't change until he got raped in the azz by his own people lol
@SensetiveKaiju
@SensetiveKaiju 2 года назад
Thank you so much for making this!!
@akaste4413
@akaste4413 2 года назад
It’s really weird that this is a setting the filmmaker decided to set this topic in. This is her third movie about interracial romance set within historical time periods, except this time she’s romanticizing literal nazis?? Like I read an article where she’s trying to say Lutz is supposed to portray the children forced into Hitler youth by the regime but Lutz is openly anti-semitic amidst other things.
@lelandvaughan4429
@lelandvaughan4429 2 года назад
"The red flags were always there" Yeah, and they were gigantic and had swastika's on them. XD
@fuck_youtube_handles
@fuck_youtube_handles 2 года назад
i- a gaming console without a place to insert game discs? is your xbox okay
@BeeseChoard
@BeeseChoard 2 года назад
I recommend looking into Summer of my German soldier if you want more infuriating Nazi stories. We had to read it in my district in middle school, because it’s “historical” and “relatable.” It’s about a 12 year old Jewish girl who hides a 19(?) year old German POW who escaped a POW camp in her home with her and falls in love with him.
@obi-wan-pierogi
@obi-wan-pierogi 2 года назад
I forgot about that dumpster fire of a book… thanks lol.
@alorapendrak9752
@alorapendrak9752 2 года назад
@@obi-wan-pierogi I forgot too wait she was 12!!!!! What the heck!
@obi-wan-pierogi
@obi-wan-pierogi 2 года назад
@@alorapendrak9752 I know it’s so icky, they made me read that in 7th grade
@Tareltonlives
@Tareltonlives 2 года назад
YIKES
@sporkzzz
@sporkzzz Год назад
Huh...??? 😨😨😨
@DJB_02
@DJB_02 2 года назад
Amandla Stenberg's film choices are quite interesting
@thespicecorner
@thespicecorner 2 года назад
This topic reminded me of one of my favorite books. It’s called Milkweed by Jerry Spenelli and it’s about a young gypsy boy living in Warsaw, Poland during the holocaust. There’s no happy ending, no sugar coating, just innocence from the prospective of an orphaned child. It’s a very well written book and I would definitely recommend it, it’s very informative while also coming in an easy to read fashion.
@extendedplay8830
@extendedplay8830 2 года назад
New to your channel- I enjoyed listening to you breaking this subject down -
@inayah115
@inayah115 2 года назад
There's so many movies of racist meeting "one if the good ones" and showing how good they are and I get making one to show how people can change but there are so many and the poc in it are barely there and deals with discrimination soooo wrong.
@egg6732
@egg6732 2 года назад
the hair! the background! the shirt! ur slaying
@elisebrodeur-jacobs5215
@elisebrodeur-jacobs5215 2 года назад
Your video was incredible too
@bibii.a
@bibii.a 2 года назад
i am loving this type of content sooo much💕💕
@chrisestey7294
@chrisestey7294 2 года назад
This was an amazing video and really got me thinking. Who would these be for? Such a chilling thought. Btw, you are such an awesome critic -- such clarity in thought and eloquence in expression.
@RockyGems
@RockyGems 2 года назад
"My brother in Christ, you are a Nazi" killed me 😂
@deadvelveteer
@deadvelveteer 2 года назад
This movie might JUST be for Candace Owens tbh
@Roachytheking
@Roachytheking 2 года назад
I had to read a book called “Daniel Half Human” about a half German half Jewish boy struggling with his own antisemitism and the antisemitism used against him. A solid part is about the romance between a Nazi and a Jewish girl. And it’s so deep in the “not all Nazis were bad” that the original book totally was GENUINELY “Danial Half Human and the Good Nazi” HOLY SHIT
@Annie_Annie__
@Annie_Annie__ 2 года назад
It seems odd and ironic that the brother is named Koen and it’s pronounced Ko-en. To my knowledge it’s not a German name. It’s a Dutch nickname, but in that case it’s pronounced “koon”. When pronounced “ko-en” it’s a *Jewish* surname (usually spelled Cohen in English) and clergy position (?). As I understand it, it’d be akin to naming a non-Christian child “Deacon”. Certainly an odd and confusing choice for a movie about WWII Germany. (Also, as far as I know Kerstin would have been an unusual name for a woman in 1940s Germany. It wasn’t a popular name until the 1960s. It’s like they just picked names that sound kinda trendy and German-ish *now* without paying attention to if they fit the time or place.)
@kirstenshute2729
@kirstenshute2729 2 года назад
"Kirsten" is a version of "Christine" in Danish and Norwegian (I'm neither, by the way, but anyway). From a quick search, it seems that "Kerstin" is the Swedish spelling - some people in Germany and Austria are named this, but you're right, all the ones I can see were born in the '60s or later.
@bad_bau
@bad_bau 2 года назад
I 100% agree that this feels like a parody. Like the jazz line, the ring line.....it's so over the top bad that it feels like they must have done intentionally. like it feels like they literally pulled up a list of dog whistles and treated it like a checklist.
@thottywizard
@thottywizard 2 года назад
12:47 anytime someone sings in a show/movie I get secondhand embarrassment so bad, it's never good 😭
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