Why Are These H.O.F. QBs Falling Apart? 

and Drew Brees

I see what you did there

@@JustinLoveMusicBates well drew Brees wasn’t good at the end

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@@JustinLoveMusicBates his body was completely fucked in 2020 and 2019 he should've retired before hand

Im a lions fan but don't be over dramatic lol

If he’s too injured to ever play effectively again, at least he made the most of the one time he actually had a chance to win

Nobody was sacked more than Wussell apparently

As a Lions fan, please just shut up 👍

@@Tony__Tone Thats what happens when u don't make protection adjustments and hold onto the ball too long. Those sacks he complained about have followed him to Denver, at the same time in Seattle Geno isn't getting sacked all the time.

so true. Ryan had some really amazing throws last year in that awful, depleted Falcons. he played much-much better than his numbers. then he couldn't set a foot in the Colts, only bad games in the season, and now it is probably over for him.

@@nemlas85 Since Luck retired the Colts have been an ongoing dumpster fire. Can't blame Ryan for that.

@@nemlas85 he had a very good game in week 6.

@@StFigarlandGarling He's had flashes, but his overall play has dropped off starting last year, this year it's taken another steep decline. No shame in it, dude is already 37. In his prime he was the most underrated QB in the NFL. Never played for a top OC except two seasons and he put up a top 5 all time season by a QB one of those two seasons.

I feel like he should have retired when it was 28-3. It's been falling off a cliff ever since for him.

Trudat! But People have been fooled by what’s going on this year with the Seahawks. They look much better than expected, but they are still ostensibly a 5-4 team with a 6-3 record. Further, Shane Waldron is the reason that team is doing as well as it is, and for all of his “resistance” Russ would have that team at 8-1 or 9-0. Geno is doing well, and I’m proud of him. He paid his dues and it’s paying off.

@@DeCurtaRican you think Russ would have that team at 8 or 9 wins with no Charles Cross, no Kenneth Walker lll, and possibly no Abe Lucas? Also, Russ is the reason they hired Waldron, and they couldn't even run the full playback with Russ. This is the first year the playbook has been fully opened up because Geno doesn't have the same limitations.

Hackett is doing a great imitation of Pete Carroll actually. Some of the same issues that have plagued the Seahawks over the past several years: poor player personnel decisions (i.e., bad drafting and FA-signings), bad play-calling, clock mismanagement, poor player substitutions, etc. Pete isn’t running the Seahawks this year, Shane Waldron is.

@@DeCurtaRican You're either trolling or need to go down and get an MRI of your head.

@@DeCurtaRican Bro what

The key word is your statement is Science. The "scientist" is Brady's ( along with Gronk & the suspended-for-PEDs Edelman) special-special trainer.

Well Unfortunately For those guys they don’t have the Greatest Coach and Tight end of all time as well as All time great defenses so it’s going to be hard to look great compared to TB12 did at that age.

@@Isaiah-FA3 lol what? Hey look, your hater is showing.

@@shawnsanders9450 not a hater just saying that he benefited from an incredibly great situation Brady is one of the best to do it, but I hate how people ignore the context, just saying the truth.

@@Isaiah-FA3 what situation? Tampa? Okay. That was a good situation but he absolutely made the most of it. He didn't just win a playoff game or 2 he won the freaking Superbowl beating 3 teams on the road, scoring 31 points per game, going through Drew Brees Aaron Rodgers and capping it off with a home Superbowl beating a Patrick Mahomes lead KC team at age 43 with a 125 rating. Did it with no off-season or anything first year too. NE? If you mean this we are talking about a team that was 5-13 with Pro Bowler Drew Bledsoe. It was a horrible situation to be thrown into with a ton of pressure. The dude won Superbowl MVP for 2 different franchises that were a losing franchise dating back years and he did it both times as a first year starter. That's not a coincidence. His former team, my team i might add, hasn't done anything impressive since his departure nor years before he got there. Bill is a great DEFENSIVE coach but he sucks as a offensive GM and I can promise you he won't win another Superbowl without a ELITE QB with either a ton of talent or really high IQ to cover up the warts of a lack of talent and coaching on offense. Could Bill have won some with Peyton Manning or something yeah maybe but that's a hypothetical not to mention Peyton absolutely DID NOT have Brady's clutch gene in the playoffs. Peyton Manning is a horrible playoff QB and his performances and stats back up this fact. So maybe we don't win any with him. The only year he won Superbowl MVP he threw 7 interceptions to 3 TD'S throughout those playoffs. Tom Brady has NEVER been carried like that and Peyton's Denver year he was carried even more. I'm not so sure even the Belichick defense could overcome that kind of horrible QB play. Something people overlook is in his time in NE the GM only put talent on the defensive side of the ball. Gronk was a fluke taken in the 3rd round and always hurt too. Despite all the talent going to the defensive side of the ball the offense with Tom Brady on average ranks higher than the defensive side. This is a fact people can't get their head around but its 100% true. That's right. In the 18 starting seasons by Brady on average the OFFENSE ranks higher than the defense.

Nah it wasn’t even cuz of Brees’ contract deadass we could not draft defensive talent and made really bad moves in FA

Yup, turns out one guy can only do so much

Brees' arm was only faltering in his last season after his punctured lung injury. and he and you were robbed against the Rams previously, that could have been a second ring in the end.

Brees always had a noodle arm.

No offense but this is the lazy explanation. Jimmy Graham was no longer good. Also, Brady, Stafford, and Russ have weapons. For some it's coaching, for others it's an adjustment. Russ' cap hit is very low this year.

*cue Titanic theme*

This is correct

Not with a bang but with a whimper.

Happens the world over, and as the legendary Adam Gilchrist said when he retired. It’s better to be asked “why are you retiring” than “why don’t you retire” there’s no reason Russ or Stafford can’t come back. But you have to wonder if Aaron should have retired after his 2nd consecutive mvp and Tom Brady after his Tampa super bowl. Just walk out on top.

​@@troystaunton254 using that logic Stafford should've hung it up after the Rams won it all.

Bruh you gotta Share that compium

@@julianwatts9024 maybe Russ was really not in proper shape to start the season, and he couldn't perform

🤣🤣😅 nice

What about Elway

Jerry Glanville

It makes a Falcons fan even sadder than I already am.

Matty ice

Brady's receivers been dropping balls in every game this season

That also happens when you lose some steam on your fastball and need to throw more changeups.. Brady has always had a hanging curve...

@David Lightman dont worry hes a special teams legend not unlike c pat

Well it makes sense. That was my first thought as I don’t even know any of the receivers 😂

@@GuideToModernFootball I mean just look at Tua. As a Dolphins fan it drove me crazy to listen to 95% of the media and fans talk nothing but shit about how bad he is. And them just denying any legit excuses and chalking it up to him just sucking a being a major bust. I mean how the hell do you expect a young QB to thrive when you have the worst pass protection in the league the worst run game in the league and his WR ranking dead last in separation his first two seasons. Add in the fact that he had terrible offensive coaching and a head coach who wanted nothing to do with him. Yet when you finally give him a solid O-Line, the threat of a competent run game, WR that can get open and a HC who believes in him and schemes up a great offense. And low and behold he's playing at arguably a MVP level this season. Basically top 5 in every area besides yards and that's only due to missing 2.5 games. Yet only guys willing to give Tua the benefit of the doubt were guys like Dan Orlvosky, Warner and a few other former players and QB's. Meanwhile you have an idiot like Collin Cowherd still talking shit about Tua when it's even dumber you can clearly tell he isn't actually watching his games. Instead he watches the one 2 underthrows he makes in a game and uses that as to why he sucks.

$50,000,000

Yeah, I can’t accept Rodgers just went from 2x MVP to garbage over one spring/summer. Clearly Packers receivers just struggling/not on the same page as the QB. As for the other 3, IMO Wilson has been in decline for a couple years; Stafford - not counting him out just yet but looks injured/needs more than just an excellent Kupp, and Brady - I just don’t think he’s willing to hang in there anymore. Still capable of game winning drives and moments of magic but I think the hunger has gone. Last season I reckon.

@@randopedia1 why not, Brett Favre did

I knew it would get one

Take away the patriots and he has 1.

@@edwardsaucedo9223 I don't think that worked out the way you thought it would.

Ya that’s not the point tho

7 Super Bowls and one proven major cheater

You mean 8 Super Bowls?

Technically.... Russ helped with one of Bradys SB wins 😜

@@xklepx true😂

Brady has major off the field problems Brady got divorced Brady's crypto currency partnership crashed, probably costing him millions. Brady may need to play another 5 years to get his money back....possibly for the Denver Ponies.

Any above average QB could have won multiple rings with Bill Belichick as thier coach. Indy with Peyton Manning 13-3. Indy without Peyton Manning 3-13. New England with Tom Brady 13-3. New England without Tom Brady 11-5.

@@derfvcderfvc8714 yeah 3-13... in their suck for Luck year but whatever

How is he not a hall of famer? Sb champ, pro bowler, comeback player of the year, 51000 passing yards, 335 tds

@@onegiantkfcbag4119 1x Pro bowl. 0x all pro. 0 MVP'S regular season or superbowl. 0 OPOY's. Not even got a 2:1 td to int ratio, just a lot of yards for being an average qb for a long time in an era where everyone has crazy passing numbers.

@@willy.b.b3427 he ain’t gonna get any mvps with the lions or prow bowls or all pros. He’s the only qb to throw for 3tds in a Super Bowl and not win mvp. And who tf cares about td-int ratio, look at Brett farve.

@@onegiantkfcbag4119 so far as I'm aware, the hall of fame only accepts resumès not excuses. 0 all pros 0 mvps, favre got 3 mvps and retired with the most yards in history. That's what got him into the hall of fame, but Stafford doesn't have any of it. Just average numbers for the era, not especially efficient ones either.

@@willy.b.b3427 Bree’s never won mvp and had 1 all pro. Does that mean he’s not a hall of famer? 51000 yards and 335 tds he’s top 11 in both, that’s not average.

That's because that streak will end on Sunday.

@@mattjones7226 Well predicted. Yet, even two INTs could not prevent the Seahawks from losing.

He got paid, got old and stopped trying as hard.

Using an over the hill veteran QB as a backup is smart. Generally if he needs to come in, it's only going to be for part of a game, or at worst, a few games. An over the hill veteran QB can keep it together for that long and the fact that their backup is an old hand makes the team more confident.

Only one traditional video, I don't always have the time in a day to watch a 55 minute video 😂

I love you and hope your day gets better!

I hope tomorrow is better for you

Also hope your day gets better.

Good luck mate, hope what ever is going on only feels worse than it actually is and you’ll be back on top of it all in no time.

And all 4 have been garbage

damn i didn’t know you knew them all personally 🤔🤔

@@StFigarlandGarling he’s in the bottom half of the league for yards per attempt, qbr, passer rating, touchdowns, that’s bad, hard to throw a lot of interceptions when you’re constantly going 3 and out, he hasn’t even been able to move the ball down the field at all this year

@@danielburdisso1483 ok.

I’m a Packers Fan and Rodgers is not throwing that well. He has some good throws but he’s been really inconsistent

Statt Pattford a HOF.😂😂😂😂

Tbh with Brady it’s this weird bag of Byron Leftwich being a bad OC, receivers being inconsistent and injury prone, o-line being beyond inconsistent, and our run game is awful

Rodgers is not throwing the ball nearly as well

@@snakeguy8646 So everyone’s fault but Brady’s… lol

Agreed, in fairness tho Wilson and stafford weren’t thought to be falling off the cliff coming into this season. Also plenty have said Rodgers and Brady are “done” thousands of times just to see em back the next season and doing better than ever

There seems to be an overall decline in quality QB play (maybe due to a decline in allowed practices, I guess) and teams are overreacting to this by overpaying proven but aging QBs.

@@ryanjacobson2508 I would say the overall decline in offense has alot to do with defenses finally fully figuring out what to do post all the rule changes

I'm not convinced of that, you could go back and say the league has been saying QBs have to go mobile since Randall Cunningham. However, the thing that's nice about running the football is that it slows the game down, eats up that clock, makes the defense spend less time on the field. All the things that Pete Carroll was trying to incorporate.

Everything great about a mobile QB can be accomplished by one that knows how to throw the check down when his first reads are covered/line breaks down. Yes, ideally a QB could be both mobile and smart with his throws but rarely is that the case. You may say Allen, but he’s been extremely turnover prone this year. Mahomes is just about where you want your QB to be, but I wouldn’t crown him yet.

Thank the Broncos also for passing on Fields when they had the opportunity to draft him. To add insult to injury the fifth round pick they gave to the Seahawks this year went to get Tariq Woolen, who's no Surtain yet, but is one hell of a substitute.

@@Tony__Tone Oh, we saw a lot of that in Chicago under Ryan Pace. The awful trade-up for Trubisky ended with the Saints getting the pick that turned into Alvin Kamara and the Niners pick turning into Fred Warner. The Fields pick was a desperation move by them which Nagy screwed up by not playing to his strengths and trying to turn him into a pocket passer - nearly getting him killed in the process.

@@jrm78 I feel like the Fields pick was the right pick at the time for them given the QB situation they were in, seems like now it's starting to take shape for the Bears too.

Subtracting Nagy was BIG

Almost as big as subtracting Zimmer for the Vikings. This ain’t the bears year, but they just need to keep Fields alive. Vikings had the talent but questionable coaching. We will see how long our talent survives. In particular with Kirk’s contract >.>

^^ I wish the same was done to Kliff Kingsbury, his play calling is atrocious n still seeing the more mistakes that should’ve been corrected since he’s been hired (game of delay, penalties, poor game planning, & collapses )

Does it feel more better than how bad it feels that the seahawks are leading the division?

@@ThiccEagle They beat the seacocks

Why? They were free wins in the playoffs...

@@Omen465 No need to beat a seacock. Just turn the wheel to allow that cool seawater into the bilge. Oh, wait. You mean the Seattle Ospreys. Oh yea... In September.😅It took a real contender to beat the Seahawks in week 2 of 2022.🤣🤣 Things might be a bit more competitive in Week 15. We shall see.

But apparently Russell Wilson is the only QB people expect to perform without a line..

@@blockinglowtier BRONCOS COUNTRY, LETS RIDE.

He's clearly declining. Keep puffing Brady peepee

@@blockinglowtier Yeah, when Russ was good he was mostly handing it off and making the occasional RPO. It's not like Russ was airing it out all the time when they were a good team. Russ isn't that level of QB. He's like Dak Prescott - he can't carry a team most of the time but if you give him a good running game he'll take you places.

Nope its stafford

@@Aburner960 You mean the guy who won a Super Bowl in his FIRST year away from the worst team in the nfl? Now that a lot of the talent went away he’s not as good but it’s all him? Do you try to sound as stupid as you are?

@@CrackerJack06 yes the rams o line is horrific however stafford still has time to throw on a lot of throws and he cant make them at all his arm is FUCKED and it shows this season

Losing players to injury is what breaks a lot of teams every year. Broncos and Rams are especially hamstrung by losing key players this year. When the Bucs won their super bowl they had their core team in place at the right time, conversely last year they started losing key players as they neared the playoffs. Players out due to injury is such a huge part of football, and often dictates which teams will do well in a given year.

They never should have offered him another contract but I can understand why. It's a terrible football decision... but it's a reasonable decision because you don't want bricks thrown thru your window for the rest of your life because you're the guy who traded Aaron Rodgers. Packers fans aren't know for being reasonable.

It's a continuation of a big giant bunch of coping

@@Tony__Tone As I unbiased fan I would say Rodgers probably has the most legit excuses out of the 4 as his WR are the worst out of them. But as a Dolphins fan I'm not willing to give any of the 4 any excuses. Seeing how 95% of the NFL media and fans wouldn't give Tua any excuses even though they were completely legit. Seeing how was coming back from a potential career ending injury in college. And in his first two seasons he had the worst O-Line in football protecting him had the worst run game in football. And his WR ranked dead last in getting separation. Pair that with having terrible offensive scheme and play calling then how do you expect a young QB to thrive. You would expect a young QB to look terrible. Yet Tua at least looked average and still got no benefit of the doubt.

@@wisewolftony it's a good thing the Dolphins didn't give up on Tua, the whole thing with Geno makes me think the system and circumstances are more to do with the successful transition of a college QB to the NFL more than anything.

Well, he is indeed new on a team with a mediocre coaching staff. He is also the youngest of the guys mentioned, so he also has the best chances of bouncing back.

But, but, but muh analytics!

His recievers are just dropping the balls. I've seen enough of these games to know it's not Brady.

His son is gonna make the playoffs is San Francisco with a marginal QB... that just happens to be healthy

Geno Smith is being the second coming of Rich Gannon in a Shanahan offense

Clarke Shanahan had time to revise his 2nd draft

He’s a future hall of famer. Gist stats will continue to get better. He will be a hall of famer. At the moment it’s kinda close but he’s not in right now.

And Wilson. Neither are

Same could be said with Eli Manning but he’s making it

@@danielburdisso1483 ehh he’s gotta a better case for the HOF imo

Stats are what get you in to the Hall though, right? What other metric is there?

@@kensingcd Wilson has way better stats than Eli, you can check them, it’s not close, Eli only gets propped up bc he played well in 2 postseasons, a total of 8 games, he is extremely overrated

That’s what gets you there bro. 51000 yards and 335tds is a hof qb. And add the sb and pro bowl.

THANK YOU!!!!😂😂😂😂

So are you saying he’s bad?

@@onegiantkfcbag4119 nope.i just know his history of injuries... including the one nagging him right now... the very same injury that could end his career. But hey... "WHO WANTS PIZZA"!!!!

The faves get excuses, it's nothing new unfortunately

But he ran the same offense from 2019 to 2021, which is the most important thing.

Kirk is a good QB who tends to choke in primetime and playoff games.

Yes his QBR is extremely high. He was very efficient when he was in Seattle

@@theleagueofextraordinarysu788 thank you for letting me know.

no

Kyler is not thriving 😂

@@Omen465 got the contract before the other dudes, so perhaps he is thriving… financially

Steph curry is not the “younger generation” lol

You definitely not watching ball man, Steph is 2 years older than Klay and the same age as Russ and KD. By the younger generation you must mean Seth Curry

@@chrisnight2376 nah. Besides steph, all of the older generation is declining heavily. This is definitly lebrons last or second last season. And i hope he does good im a bron fan but its just the truth.

Wilson played his way outta the hall of fame this year, if he was ever even considered

I mean statistically speaking stafford is an HOFer.

How are they not? Botha have amazing stats, rings, and pro bowls.

Russell* Wilson ...

No reason to keep him out. His stats significantly beat some of the guys in the Hall now.

@@Xynth25 if you actually think that Matt Stafford is a HoF QB you should actually attempt to learn football. Matt Ryan has a better chance at the hall of fame than Stafford.

@@SnazzySki98 having a debate is fine but need to tone down the arrogance there bud.

@@Kangaroo-Bob need to tone down the ridiculous takes, bud.

@@SnazzySki98 He's got the ring, he's got the stats, he's got the tenure. If you have a coherent reason he shouldn't be I'll listen, but considering some of the players that make it in versus some that don't, I don't see a reason to keep him out.

I just don’t see the RB position ever making a big comeback. Plus defenses almost never look or perform the same from one year to the next like an offense can. You will not consistently beat QB’s like Allen or Mahomes running the ball,it’s not possible.

Is Russell Wilson?

Most assuredly not. Hall of Good at best. He was never able to elevate the Lions in all his years with the Lions.

@@baghead777 yes. Cry salty niners fanboy

@@baghead777 um yes he has one of the best passer ratings ever and has kept the Seahawks relevant despite a shitty defense. While Stafford couldn’t win with shitty defenses. Stafford also is way more turnover prone and Russ has made 2 super bowls and has consistently made the playoffs throughout his career and has been consistently elite throughout his career. While Stafford is inconsistent, never won a playoff game without a super team and Russ kept the Seahawks relevant past 2015 when the defense was bad while Stafford couldn’t win with bad defenses.

Stafford and Wilson will probably late ballot HoFs unless they start pulling wins out of their asses

Tell me how he isn’t.