I just love how in Civil War they talk about the avengers causing so much damage in New York, but fail to mention how the government tried to Nuke the city
Oh I've always assumed, that because it is these five world leaders who gave order to do that and two guys adhering to them did that that they simply covered it up afterwards.
I always assumed that there was a cover up by the SHIELD. And everyone was led to believe that the nuclear bomb was meant for the portal in the first place. And wasn't it a shadow council that made the call, not any particular elected government? This would mean that even the president of U.S wouldn't be aware that the nuke was meant for the city.
Too fit isn't American? I'm pretty sure America pioneered bodybuilding and muscle sculpting, and being jacked for the sake of being jacked is a very American thing.
*Captain America has no superpowers* Am I the only person who remembers that Captain America is a goddamn supersoldier with super healing and super strength, in addition to above average running speed and endurance? Has the whole world gone crazy?
I think their point was supposed to be that compared to most of the Avengers, who use either inhuman powers or high tech gadgets, Cap is relatively unpowered. Of course that's *still* wrong, what with Black Widow and Hawkeye as core members of the team...
RogueShadows, that is one of the reasons why their argument makes no sense. Cap is more super powered than Hawkeye, Black Widow, and Falcon (also Iron Man and War Machine who need armor). It makes me wonder what their point is. Because they got a lot wrong in this video.
How would cap get loki and his army of thousands of aliens to go to a field when the aliens only purpose was to kill civilians? this video is trying too hard to make a point and failing because it doesn't use any of those situations in context.
Yeah, Cap didn't choose to fight Loki in the city. That's where Loki was. He needed the Stark building. So a huge section of this video is based on blaming Cap for something that he had absolutely no control over.
They refer to Crossbones and his group of ex-military mercs as "a couple of burglars driving around in a big truck" and then mock him for not being able to stop them even though he does in fact stop them. Definitely rushed this video out to coincide with the civil war release.
It's like the completely ignored the fact that an unknown number of aliens are constantly emerging from a hole in the sky throughout the battle. Cap did the smart, tactical thing and kept the horde of aliens from spreading too far out and contained them to a small radius.
Why do the governments blame the hero's for the damage done to cities when its the villians who started creating the damage and they are just trying to stop them.
Yes, exactly. The governments have done far more damage than the Avengers ever could when they almost blew up New York with a NUKE missile, allowed HYDRA to take control of them for 70 years, and allowed Thunderbolt Ross to turn people into monsters such as the Hulk and Abomination. The governments are the ones who need to be put in check, not the Avengers.
Scott K Aliens invading isn't a good enough reason? When your fighting someone in your own city who is destroying utndonyou honestly think the fight is going to be easy and clean? No, there is going to be damage. What are they supposed to do? Just let the aliens take over the city and destroy it anyway?
Scott K Yes I agree with some things the government blamed them for. However they still blamed the damage from the first avengers on them even if it wasn't really anything they could do about it.
Wait, didn't Loki choose to go to New York or more accurately Stark Tower because of Tony's Arc Reactor and to satisfy his ego. Then didn't Cap order the police to make a perimeter to contain the disaster Zone and protect civilians. plus isn't he considered an enhanced human. like all those scenes where he's stopping a helicopter, beating the crap out of highly trained Shield agents, then running as fast as a car, then probably super stamina(on your left), and throwing his motorcycle.
This reminds me of their video about the types of tv shows made- where they said Fox should have canceled Heroes. They had too many mistakes in each sentence.
Yes, they couldn't move the fight, like what the JL did with Doomsday (or what should have been done with Zod) because there was a giant portal above the city.
Leaving aside that the Avengers didn't cause New York, Shield did. They didn't open the portal there and could not move it. They "did" close it. Also they leave out the fact that Cap's leadership prevented Hydra weapon from changing the course of WW2! If he doesn't beat Hydra then the Nazi's win. He outmaneuvered Red Skull and beat him in mere months. His leadership allowed the Avenger to shut modern Hydra down world wide in under a year. Also Cap "did" study modern military tactics. Half the time Shield or his own team are working against him.
Nothing. They claim that the Avengers lured Loki there, but it is explicitly pointed out in the movie that Loki uses Stark Tower's power plant to power the machine that opens the rift. Loki was going to bring his army in through New York regardless of where the Avengers were.
They couldn't have done much. Because of the portal the only way to reduce casualties was emergency evacuation and an effort to contain and shut down the portal. Which is exactly what they did. Cap also hands out some pretty solid tactics throughout that movie.
I don't see any way for them to lure the invading army away, since they were vastly outnumbered, and their enemies were trying to kill civilians. It's not like they were looking for the Avengers
Also remember why Loki was in New york in the first place...Stark's power generator thing that was opening up the Chiathari portal....the indestructible (and assumably) unmovable portal. What would convince Loki to leave that for a "cornfield" or whatever? Blaming Cap for "not leading" the bad guys away is like blaming the US Navy for leading the japanese from Pearl Harbor
Captain America is a superhuman; he can run at 50mph, ages slower the rate of a normal person, eidetic memory, superhuman strength and has he investigatory abilities beating out his contemporaries. He was right about Shield, the Accords and the WSC whom wanted to nuke NYC I add; as well as help deactivate/destroy Stark's murder-bots -- against which he was thoroughly opposed. Cap reacts to and attempts to amend the mistakes made by the people around him. His mistake is trusting people not to fuck up.
5:31 I feel like you get moments like these scattered where Michael says something really punny and you can just see Katie off to the side trying really hard not to laugh
cap acting in foreign countries without the approval of the american people, basic knowledge of the geopolitical climate, or effective tactics is actually a great representation of the american military
he can ask for more...he at any time could have asked for other stuff but he decides to stick with that physic bending shield that is somehow a frisbee, boomerang, magnetically attracted to him, unmaleable, unmeltable and so much more. I only added that to show that most things cap does with the shield are impossible even for imaginary metal especially since other vibranium items are somehow weaker
He is America. Constantly getting involved with things that don't concern him under the guise of trying to "help". Bossing around people that are actually stronger than him to seem important. Taking advantage of peoples' kindness to... you get the point.
+David Parker-Hunt Just to be clear Lennox wrote "mutate", not "mutant". According to Marvel comics the difference is that a mutant is either born with powers or born genetically destined to manifest powers (e.g., X-Men). A mutate is any character that is mutated through external/environmental influences to have powers (e.g., Fantastic Four, Spider-Man, most versions of the Hulk, etc.). Cap could be considered a mutate if you say that the serum gave him powers, and similarly Widow in the comics was given some kind of serum to slow her aging. Widow in the movies could be argued as one depending on what exactly they did to her in that "Red Room".
That reason being: history , Batman has been the most marketed hero of all time, partially because producing a batman movie/Series had always been cheaper than any other given he's just a human. Also the fact that DC was swimming in money dedicating it to him while marvel just invested in other things and broke. Batman is also outsold by spiderman when it comes to merch. Both heroes being the most invested in by their respective companies. That doesn't mean they are the best or the coolest, just goes to show their companies have put much more work strengthening their brands than any other hero and it paid off.
Yeah sure, a guy that can stop a helicopter from taking off with his bare hands is 'powerless'. Never mind that fast he runs as fast as a car. Cap. Would crush literally bats one on one. Batman
"Would crush literally bats one on one." That is not what the word 'literally' means. You're saying Cap would crush Batman to death like a car compactor.
Because Superman has an extremely exploitable weakness , and Batman has the stupid hand waving ''plot magic'' bullshit where he has the perfect solution for every situation, and the ''OH batman knew you would do that all along so he wins.'' He may aswel have been a damn magician with the way writers make him so invincible. Also, are you saying Bane is greater than Superman? Because he was able to break batman's back..
Bane's Enhanced strength is actually higher than Cap's, based on numbers we have, actually. Bane's maximum healthy Venom injection gives him a 3-4 ton lift strength. While Cap's official lift strength according to Marvel caps out at 1,200 pounds, which is not even a ton. Naturally, this is comic books, so neither of these is consistant and they both often get higher than that (Especially in films). But Bane's enhanced strength is on a different scale than Cap's.
Wrong: Captain America is not equivalent to Batman. Cap's an enhanced human. A super soldier. Through science, he is faster and stronger than Batman. He can beat Batman in straight hand to hand, BUT, in a fight using tools, the ninja Batman can kill Cap. Cap is a scientifically created super human.
Cap is at peak human in terms of strength and agility. So above Olympic level humans. Batman also has peak human strength. Don't know how or why he has peak human strength but he's up there with cap
antsyokosuka12 No. Batman cannot keep a helicopter from taking off with his bare hands. Cap's a 'super' soldier. Not a 'peak human soldier. He is a scientifically created super human, created to be a soldier. He can run all the way around the capitol in less time it would take Batman to make a 40 yard dash. Winter Soldier.
I wouldn't say Batman is at "peak human strength" the way Cap is. Batman has trained with all of the best fighters of a variety of styles all over the world as well as with the smartest tacticians, techies, etc. He's basically just a guy who instead of going out and drinking/getting laid or (like in my case) staying home and playing video games during his teens and 20's, he went out learning and training day in and out for years and years.
All of the points are flawed. But what else to you expect from regressive leftist idiots? I always hate clicking on Cracked videos, because I never know when it's going to be funny, and when it's going to be regressive bullshit.
ehh, i see some points, though a lot seem off base 1st, Cap was raised and trained in the 40's, with that shield by his side. It doesn't excuse him to not adapt,but it seems humanly forgivable for him not wanting to change after the shock of losing his ENTIRE world, because his tech-less way may be all that's left of it. 2nd, Loki just sort of showed up in New York with an entire army, righ?.)You can't just herd something like that out of the city.The avengers did the best they could. 3rd, An interview with the Russo brothers confirmed that Cap might wants to give up being cap. That's because he doesn't feel like he's representing the American way anymore, or at least doesn't feel like aligning with any government as the ones the works for now repeatedly breaks his trust. So up to now, donning the red white n' blue was just to show his love for the country and government, which he doesn't feel as strong anymore.If going against the majority to do what's right isn't what we feel America stands for, then I don't know what does.
First off the very idea that Cap is somehow against technology is ridiculous. Cap uses plenty of technology. He used the shield because he didn't want to use weapons that could be more easily lethal, like guns. Cap can do far more with that shield than most of the people he comes across can do with their higher tech stuff. Steve Rogers and his shield took down a fighter jet. Steve Rogers and his shield took out half a hijacked ship, Steve and his shield managed to finally disable Tony's Iron Man suit's arc reactor so he couldn't murder Bucky Barnes. But as for other technology, he uses it all the time in ever film. Heck even in Avengers when he'd been only been out of the for a little over WEEK(yes he really got defrosted and basically thrown into a battle with aliens 70 years in the future) he was already using the tablet to read information about the situation. He uses all sorts of little gadgets, like the listening devise in Winter Soldier for example, like the various communications devices.
Exactly! He's using technology that most of us have our entire lifetimes to use and master and he's surrounded by super geniuses. It also super bothers me that they never address the fact that the only support he gets mental health wise or like - you're seventy years in the future wise is from Sam.
Billionaire whose parents were murdered, inherited billions, uses it to make gadgets and fight bad guys? Super smart, in the comics he had a secret identity, adopts young proteges (Spiderman and Riri), has a British butler, a human who deals with a guy with super strength that supposedly embodies American Ideals, a figure out of mythology, a dude with a bow and arrow, and even a super speed dude for a while. Yeah, weird. How is he like Batman?
@@MorganMalfoy13 all the things you just stated are very vague outlines of many superhero characters. That outline could be Green Arrow or Black Panther etc etc The psychology of the batman character is completely different from the iron man character. Batman is an obsessed, extremely disciplined crime fighter...while tony is a alcoholic self absorbed tech billionaire. I always thought Tony Stark was more like what the average person would become if they inherited a fortune, happened to be a genius .... They would become a genius billionare playboy philanthropist... while batman was the more extreme outcome. ( i probably did a really poor job explaining that)
Cap is marvel's version of Wonder Woman, the soldier/warrior from this world but from a different time. Iron Man is Batman, the human without powers but is a genius that uses his wealth and technology to fight. Thor is Superman, the alien with incredible powers
He is admittedly the least effective in terms of what you can bring to the battlefield in terms of power. However, he is pretty much the reason our avengers exist today (twice) Captain America 1&2 so that actually makes him one of the most effective avengers on the team. Captain America: The Winter Soldier really solidified that image and what he's capable of despite his lack in superpower effectiveness.
He could barely beat iron man and that's cuz iron man didn't jus pick him up in his suit and seperately him from his shield.. And drop him from the clouds
You can pull the "Well he could..." All day.. but it doesn't matter. What matters are the writers. Whatever they say is absolute. There is no room for reality in fantasy. That makes Cap one of the best. Because a guy with a pen says so... and I'll follow that logic.
Nah, Cap's just a dumb soldier. The Howling Commandos would've gone on fighting Hydra without him and it was Nick Fury (and Coulson) who truly built the Avengers team from scratch. Cap owes everything to the German scientist who chose him for his Super Soldier program (and to Howard Stark for creating the Shield).
He is one of the best on the team. He could beat Iron Man by himself if need be. He could beat Batman. Even Batman himself said so. He is one of the best fighters in the team, and he is also the best leader and second smartest.
Hello people from 3 years ago. I’m hear to tell you that their knowledge of Marvel, even now, sucks. Because they didn’t make the choice of battleground- Loki did. Deliberately as a middle finger to Tony Stark. 🤦🏾♀️
@@OneWhoDreamsAwake Yes, but Loki was attacking what would become Avengers Tower because it was the heart of resistance. If all of the resistance (Avengers Tower) would have been consolidated in Antarctica, that's probably where Loki would have concentrated his attack first. But then would Tony have been willing to sacrifice himself to keep a nuke from detonating on barren land?
stakk4 no... that’s not at all the only reason why he went there. He went there to be able to use the Tesseract to bring the Chitauri to earth through a portal that would sustain itself indefinitely. And to flip off earth, the avengers, and tony. The tower was basically running on a super awesome battery that Loki wanted to use, so he went where the battery was. Are you trying to to say that Tony Stark (before knowing about aliens) should have predicted someone misusing it (from space) and therefore not put the first example of a building using clean sustainable energy in Antartica? Because paranoia? Every single notion you have is based on hindsight. That’s like saying, “how dare the US/NYC build the World Trade Center in the middle of an economic and cultural hub! They should have known better and put it in Antartica and therefore terrorists wouldn’t have attacked them!” Talk about victim blaming.
stakk4 additionally, the arc reactor technology used in the tower was a prototype that he plan to put in every one of his facilities in the future. If the film took place in a few years it would have actually had multiple places Loki could have done so.... But he still would’ve picked a densely populated area in order to cause the most damage. That’s how terrorist work. That’s how conquers work. Read history history book. Also, read ANYTHING about Loki and you’ll figure out he loves chaos and destruction. Obviously. Being the Norse god of it and so on.
Tony didn't lure Loki to New York. Loki need the Stark Tower to run the device that he had Dr. Selvig build. Stark didn't know that when he had the tower built. Loki wasn't even a thing when he had the tower built. They could have gone to a field all they want that just would have meant standing in a field while the aliens trash New York.
Yeah, I was ready to broaden my perspective when i saw the title of this video, but it feels like it was written by people who haven't seen the Marvel films since they came out, and thus only really remember Civil War. This point in particular made zero sense for all of these reasons. I also don't get how that would be uniquely Steve's fault even if it were somehow up to the Avengers, since you could more adequately blame Tony. Anyway even in Avengers' climax Steve's primary concern actually is saving civilians.
It's Monday Morning Quaterbacking. The strategies and tactics that seem obvious when the never before seen crisis is over and adrenaline has stopped pumping aren't in the moments when you have to choose or die. It's like what the movie of Sully is showing how a pilot made a call that saved the life of everyone in his crew but a bunch of people want to second guess that even though it worked. Hell no one's mentioning the absolute insanity of trusting the Nations of the World over the Avengers. IN the Marvel Universe the Avengers ended an alien invasion and saved a lot of lives. Those Nations of the World that think they should tell the Avengers what and how to do their jobs tried to Nuke New York City without any communication with their troops on the ground. For all they knew the nuke would have done nothing but kill everyone. and leave the shielded portal maker still fucking open letting more aliens pour into New York in the after math condemning our world. Now who has shite tactics?
Though, in a way, Batman is DC's Daredevil. Frank Millar wrote Daredevil in the late 70s, & early 80s, after which he was hired by DC to (very specifically) do for Batman what he'd done for Daredevil. Almost all of the character traits that we now associate with Batman (sans the basic character set up) are re-workings of what Millar had already done over at Marvel.
+Denni Wintyr true, up until Frank Miller's epic run on the man without fear, Batman was a happy go lucky dude in a bat costume that instead of fighting dudes just used a bunch of plot gadgets.
Not entirely correct. Batman's personality and style was there early on. But the Silver Age of comics came around and ruined that. When Daredevil was created, Miller was basically doing what was being done with Batman at the time (Bronze age), but better. Miller basically got hired on to just do a better version of what was already being done, because he did basically just that with Daredevil. In response to Daredevil directly, DC established Nightwing, having Robin basically give up all the tech and turn to escrima sticks.
Captain America is Marvel's Superman, a man with an unshakable moral enter that always does the right thing and inspires others to be the best versions of themselves. Nick Fury is the Batman of the Marvel universe, a manipulating spy who has no issue using others for the greater good, infinit resources at his fingertips, outsmarting the enemy and bending others to his will.
No, Reed Richards is clearly Marvel's Batman. The fact that he has a super power is overshadowed by the fact that he's naturally the smartest man on the planet and can come up with an invention/plan to solve any problem. The only Marvel character that is _written_ anywhere near like Batman (totally infallible ordinary human brain) is Mr. Fantastic.
It is true that he has unshakable morals, but that doesn't mean that he always does the right thing, and in fact, his unshakable morals might cause him to do the wrong things because he is unwilling to change his point of view. I mean, think about it: he was the cause of the civil war, because he wasn't willing to be put in check, and decided that Bucky didn't deserve punishment, because he is his friend, and because Bucky didn't have control of his actions. But that isn't his decision to make! But because he has his "unbreakable morals" he doesn't care. He, as an individual, does not have the right to decide who/ how the government punishes people, especially terrorists/ assassins! But because he believes 'his' way is right, he fights the American government, and his own team, specifically, because he doesn't want his friend to get hurt! He even ropes people in to fight for him, not because they think he is right, but because they think that because he is "Captain America" therefore he can't have bad intentions and therefore can't be wrong.And because He cares more about Bucky than justice he does everything to keep him from that justice, he even kept the fact that Bucky killed Tony's parents from Tony! There is no reason for him to do that, except to protect Bucky. And even Bucky in the movie isn't sure that he deserves redemption, but Cap always puts Bucky first, even if that would mean losing! example: The winter soldier, instead of making sure that hydra is completely taken care of, Cap ends it with a fist fight between himself and Bucky, putting the possible outcome of the entire nation on whether or not Bucky (who is brainwashed!) chooses to be good. And think about it! If the other situations (with Black Widow, Nick Fury, and Falcon) didn't work out, and Captain America was needed to stop hydra, he wouldn't have. Because he cared more about Bucky than he did America! Because he chose trying to help Bucky over saving the country! CAPTAIN AMERICA IS A FRAUD!!! . . . He should be called Captain Bucky.......
***** Cute, person who feels the need dis someone, because their comment was longer than you wanted. Who needs to get a life again? And you know what the difference is between simply "dissing" a character and a full argument that breaks them down? Intelligence.
Wow. The basic concept on this one isn't just weak; it's wrong. The whole argument is predicated on the idea that the Avengers had any control over the location of the Chi'tauri invasion... which they did not.
Fair, but the entire argument about his failure as a hero was about the invasion. It was the first major point raised. I should have been more specific but I was trying to keep it simple. :)
How exactly did that have anything to do with intention? They didn't build the tower to lure Thanos' forces. The Chi'tauri were coming no matter what. If it hadn't been Tony's tower, it could just as easily have been the city's main grid or something else. The invasion chose the site. The Avengers had nothing to do with the decision.
@@hakaveli72 But we're discussing the MCU, not DC or even the Marvel Universe. There's a very narrow set of heroes to look at in MCU and if you were to create a video game stat sheet, Capt America's would be just more well-rounded in physical stats, but not insanely high. Black Panther has similar super strength, speed, and such, as does Bucky with just a metal arm. Peter Parker, etc., and Black Widow is just as an effective fighter (if not better in strategy). You see how I mean? Capt's abilities are less impactful compared to the 15 heroes we have in the MCU. Vs DC where TONS of heroes have no super powers, and Batman's ability sheet would include technology, reasoning, and strategy. It's not anything against Capt, just that the directors'/movie writers' choices limited what he should really compared to the comics. They'd have to have made him have Superman level strength to make that feature truly stand out.
wait, that chain of realizing that Cap's tactics led to Civil War doesn't make any sense. They didn't lure Loki to new York, Loki was in New York to use Stark Tower. Cap's leadership contained the destruction to a few blocks of Manhattan, and he had no idea about the Ultron thing until after Tony made it.
@@thefacelessquestion3333 My comment is more toward the comments made around 2:20 in discussion of Sam becoming Captian America in the comics rather than a reflection of my opinions on the show. That sucks it wasn't you're cup of tea and you feel very strongly about it, I'd love to gain more insight as to why you feel that way rather than a generalization. I'm not one who shares the sentiment that an opinion on something (product or media) is either 100% a masterpiece or 100% dogshit. It's ok to think something is just meh 🤷♂️🤣. Falcon and the Winter soldier wasn't the best nor worst thing I've seen, to me it was just ok. I enjoyed my time with it, though I can say it has its problems. It's not a series I'm in a rush to rewatch any time soon. 😋
The whole argument is dumb because of how many basic facts they get wrong. How exactly was Captain America supposed to "lure Loki out" when the entire reason Loki set up the portal in New York was to take advantage of the Arc Reactor Tony built into Stark Tower? They're accusing Cap of bad tactics but ignoring that Cap was reacting to Loki's actions and didn't have the options they are accusing him of not taking. Cap's tactics were entirely appropriate for the situation: Contain the damage to the smallest area they could control, evacuate civilians, and maximize the effectiveness of his arsenal of tools. Also, Nomad's costume was blue and yellow. Captain America dressed in the black outfit as The Captain when the US government claimed to have own the rights to the Captain America identity and tried to use that claim to bring Cap under government control.
Also, it was a pretty darn good plan considering Cap had only been thawed out, what, two weeks MCU time when Loki happened? He was still getting around the idea of it not being the 1940s anymore, and yet he didn't flip out at Tony's suit (he was friends with Howard, after all) and helped fix the helicarrier (all jokes about "some form of electricity" aside) and didn't have much problem figuring out the most efficient ways to shield-bash tech-wielding aliens from another dimension. With his useless vibranium Frisbee that defies physics. Despite still having trouble with that whole not-the-1940s-since-two-weeks-ago thing. And by the time Winter Soldier rolled around, he's using touchscreen tablets, smartphones, HUDs, and sophisticated aircraft just fine. It's not that Cap isn't a tech guy. He's smart and adaptable and learns the tech just fine. It's that he's reluctant allies with Tony Stark, who has an existential crisis every time someone brings attention to the fact that, genius or not, he can't stop bad things from happening and tries to do it anyway. Which inevitably makes all the things worse. Cap's MCU job has become avoiding shady government oversight (SHIELD/HYDRA is only the tip of the iceberg there), cleaning up Tony Stark's messes, and trying desperately to hold onto the few people he can still call friends -- Bucky Barnes, Peggy Carter, Sam Wilson, Natasha Romanov, Wanda Maximoff, etc. -- because everything he had before is gone forever. Thus far, even through Civil War (because we all watched the codas, right?), he's doing a pretty darn good job. Sorry. I gotta defend Cap. He's not my favorite, but he's always stood up for the little guy (including himself). Someone has to stand up for him at least once.
I like this video! I disagree with their opinion of the Batman comparison with Cap. Daniel is so right Batman and Tony Stark are the best comparison. Both use their brain, Bruce as a detective and Tony to build everything, it's kind of their superpower; they also both are able to bankroll their group; they come from tragic backgrounds. I'm sure there are more areas where they overlap. I love all the flaws they point out. It's like they are reading my brain! lol
In the comics Cap was a great tactician and leader due to his years fighting as Cap in the military before being frozen. In the movie he spent very little time serving as more than entertainment. He had the powers, strength, speed, shield etc. but not the experience that he has in the comics, but we were still expected to accept him as the same caliber of tactician and leader for no reason.
Silverizael Cap doesn't start wars. And as foolish as Trump is, I don't think he has started wars either. Doesn't matter because Cap has nothing in common with Trump.
My main problem with Cap in Civial War his focus was on Bucky. And he seem to be his "only" friend. He didn't treat Tony as a friend. Which is kind of sad. Tony is holding it together best as he could and even BEG Cap to sign up of fearing he would lose his friend. What did cap do? blew him off and went to Bucky. I get behind Tony when he start to hate him seeing the real Cap. And even all of that, Tony was willing to fight alongside of Cap after the error that he had made. Then they threw in the killing the parents bit. Again Cap wasn't there, instead protected Bucky in the end, Cap went with Bucky and threw down the shield. Why not hand the shield? and say I'll contact you or even say Sorry? No he dropped the shield and left. wth. Tony isn't in the right Mind and is in the wrong here I get that but to do that to a best friend? That would only take 2 minutes to do. I know Cap later on contacted Tony but still that little bit rubbed me the wrong way. Cap acts like a friend if it suits him or else he would ignore them unless they are seen as a threat. He should know Tony enough to see that he is break down inside yet he did nothing. Why I don't like Cap in the movies.
I ain't a bloody squid yeah but Tony has always been a dick and an asshole. But with Captains Character it just feel like it is off here. I get Bucky is his lost friend but he is losing others that he isn't seeing. in the comics he tries to reach out and it made Tony look more like a villain.
Well, you might see it as "focus on Bucky".. but that is sort of wrong. Something as big as an attack to the UN is related to him, so of course you start there. If Bucky wasn't it, he could know the reason why it happened. As a detective, that would be your first link! He had to prevent them from killing him, in order to get information. Unknown to them, it also attracted the real threat, allowing to get more information on his objective. Then, Team Stark didn't trust him.. it was written so that Cap and Bucky went to stop Zemo. In the end, you just can't let someone kill someone else simply because! It's dumb. Also, Cap treated Tony as a friend until the end! HE was the reasonable one. 1) There was no resolution to the Zokovia accords because of Zemo and Bucky going mad again.. Things might have been different and he might have signed.. but priorities. 2) Also, Cap didn't kill him or let him kill someone needlessly.. don't your friends prevent you from doing something you might regret later? 3) Not telling him is reasonable, knowing how mad Stark is (Ultron?) and useless, as the parents are dead. 4) Not handing the shield or even saying sorry? Stark was pissed, and he wouldn't have listened anyway. Cap was tired.. and probably a bit mad, but he kept his mouth and emotions shut until later. Also, he probably knows that it's not about making himself look better, but making the situation better.
Tony tried to straight up murder the man he knew for certain wasn't actually responsible for his parents' deaths. If Cap can be a dick, Tony can be a psychopath.
To be fair, wanting to kill someone for killing your parents doesn't really fall into the realm of the term "Psychopath." Though I get what you're saying. Perhaps "Dangerously self-absorbed" may articulate it a tinge better.
In defence of the list he was keeping in 'Cap 2', Steve seemed to be noting down what other people told him to look up. In other words, what other people deemed to be interesting and important. The fact that current politics wasn't on there is because NO ONE HE SPOKE TO found that an interesting or important topic. Says less about Cap and more about the people he spoke to. Also, there were different lists for different countries, so can it even be counted when we had different things in Australia?
cap is apolitical. he is only "american" because he was american in the pre-WW2 era, when it was easier to believe the american government WAS good. in an era of more information, and a different global political reality, he falls back on the ideologies of DEMOCRACY and civil liberties for all, that led him to be the patriot he was in his original time. those beliefs are often incongruant with "patriotism" to america, in modern times...because it is too easy to see that the political leaders aer not worthy of his patriotism. he is cap'n america because he fully supports the fundamental ideals of the nation, not the nation itself. that is what makes him a patriot...not the star-spangled outfit. he will always stand-up for those exploited or marginalized people, first and for most. if that leads him into conflict with his government, he still will fight for what is "right" in his eyes. that is the one thing the MCU got most right about the fundamental aspects of any marvel character thus far. Cap wont abide bullies.
Except... no other nation sees it that way. To everyone else, he simply represents the country and not just the ideals. So maybe he should change his outfit or name or character to better reflect what he represents.
And a vigilante. And yes, he's called Captain AMERICA and dresses in the colors of the American flag, so it's not off-track to say he represents America.
Sahil, I tend to agree - He should just change his outfit and name. This was covered in the 1980s, when that is exactly what he did, when he discovered government corruption and ceased to trust SHIELD. All of which happened basically like it did in Winter Soldier, but in the MCU, he kept his outfit. (Because - branding) Context matters. MCU Cap woke up 60 years later, was handed his old gear, by his old "boss" (some form of the American government), and told to keep doing his job. Try empathizing with the drastically different socio-political reality in America in the era when Steve Rodgers was a child/teen. Then he goes and fights some nazis/hydra. Wakes up in 2010, and the lines are not so clear. Do any of you honestly think you would adapt to the last 50 years so easily (as essentially a 22 year-old)? The entire point of Captain America is to show the disconnect between the ideological belief, left over from the eras of WW1, and WW2...that Americans were riding on throughout the cold-war, but which has not been congruent with reality for a long time now. Even so, many Americans refuse to acknowledge that the political landscape is radically different, and that American is not the "best", simply because we were sold that meme in the 40s and 50s, and want to keep believing it. Most Americans have resisted admitting the change in reality, even though they lived through it. Now you expect a man who literally "time-jumped" from 1944 to 2010, to come to grips with modern reality immediately. This is why they only make stupid movies now, because anything with a bit of gradation can not be perceived. It is a perfect metaphor for reality. Stop an alien invasion, that would have destroyed all of humanity (or at the very least millions of people), and get blamed because 42 people died in NY. 42. This is the same mentality of the 80s that led to law suits because I spilled my coffee on my lap...and it is YOUR fault. Humanity does not deserve "heroes". 40 years ago there was no color T.V. and if you wanted to see a movie at all, you had to go to a theater. If you wanted to learn about anything, you had to go to a library, and hope they had a book on what you wanted to know. Our history books lied to us also, but at least we did not have the means to easily find other sources of information. Now you have the sum of all human knowledge accessible from a device in your pocket, and are often being fed a tasty ideology to believe. So what exactly is the modern excuse for blindly following an ideology?
You guys know they completely neutered the movie cap compared to the comic cap. The comic cap was against the patriot act, against prism, and the spy networks being used on the US, and he died fighting against it.
I think one scene sums up cap pretty well. In the first movie before he has powers and a grenade is thrown. He jumps on top while everyone else ducks for cover.
@Tin Watchman Duck and cover, get behind something or into a ditch if possible. Edit: and get as low as possible, keep your feet pointed towards the grenade if there's no cover so the shrapnel destroys your legs instead of your organs
That attitude in an actual battle situation, sure, he’d probably get respect for that action, there’s a story here and there of some soldiers that threw themselves on grenades in actual battle situations to save their mates and some lived (for better or worse) to talk about it. But the difference is those were all battle situations... that scene was in a boot camp. Tommy Lee Jones comes off as a crazy old guy for trying to make a point in a situation where none of them should be proving that point because why the hell would you? They’re still at home, the enemy wasn’t right next door or anything! So Cap throwing himself on that grenade... that just kinda comes off as really stupid. Everyone cleared the area reasonably quick and he just dives right on it with a pointless point to prove.
He later tries to kill Tony Stark, after keeping the fact that Tony’s parents were murdered from his supposed friend, all to protect a man who needs immediate psychiatric help after decades of torture instead of being told to just shake it off and be Bucky again.
I usually love love love After Hours but this one was just weak. I think the very idea of seeing Steve as a superhero is wrong. From the start, his job was to be a super soldier, someone with enough bravery and tactics to be seen as less than he truly is, what he proves again and again with skill and brains, all put together in an overly strong human being. There's also the need to separate Steve Rogers from Captain America, the image of who he was supposed to be, the symbol from the actual human being. Steve's patriotism comes in the form of doing what is truly right instead of what's easy and calling him the worst Avenger is just beyond imagination to me. In fact, I find him far more interesting than Tony in every single way.
Now if I remember correctly, it was Loki's decision to attack New York, not any member of the Avengers. From the viewpoint of somebody that was alive before the MCU, no one was calling Iron Man--or Captain America--Marvel's Batman before the Avengers movies. If we took an honest look at Iron Man, we'd probably admit that we liked it so much because it was good to see Robert Downey Junior getting work again.
"No, Daniel, I shan't chant againt. I feel like when you represant Americant you gotta be at 100 perceant." Literally the best part of the whole video - serious rhyming props to Michael (or whoever wrote the script this time around).
@@marcelo2169 The *Avengers* are a rogue black ops branch at this point; until Cap crashes a ship into a government building and goes *completely* rogue.
I'm going to be that person Captain America isn't anything like Batman. Batman isn't the end-all, be-all of superheros. stop comparing every superhero to Batman. Here's a breakdown of the video and all it's faults 1. Cap doesn't use gadgets: - Tony's magnetic gauntlet for his shield in Avengers 2: Age of Ultron - Knows how to fly the SHIELD's state of the art Quinjet and probably all other modern transports - Utilizes basic SHIELD and Avengers field tech/communication devices - Effectively leads and delegates people who do use tech i.e. Iron Man, The Falcon A. Other Captain Americas in the comics use tech - Sam Wilson (The Falcon) in the comics talks to birds for communication 2. He used vibranium for a frisbee: - Howard Stark made the shield - Vibranium is an extremely rare substance and the shield is about all they have, who in their right mind would risk melting that down and possibly fucking it up beyond use. the only people who properly know about the materiel, know how to construct it, and have some to spare are the Wakandans and they are an extremely isolationist country who even now with their king warming up to Steve would most likely refuse to make anything for him (Ultron was able to make a body with stolen vibranium because he's a Joss Whedon super villain with 'all the knowledge ever') - it's symbolic and it works for him, he's not a picky guy 3. They're back to Cap not using tech: - he uses tech about as much as other non-tech superheros in the mcu (Hawkeye, Black Widow) just because he's not a gadget whore doesn't mean he doesn't know or use a reasonable amount of modern technology on missions or in everyday life 4. He blew up New York: - Loki was going to use Stark Tower in New York regardless of anything cap or anyone else did, it was a part of his plan before Coulson even died, maybe even before that -The Chitauri and Loki were already on their way or in Loki's case already in New York while the Avengers were still licking their wounds over the shit that happened on the helicarrier and were just figuring out Loki's plan - He wasn't the leader of the Avengers at the time, Tony was calling most of the shots because RDJ's contract stipulates all movies with him in it must be about him - How badly did you need to stretch for this one though, really? did no one bother to even re-watch the movie before trying to make this??? all these points are bad in this video but this one is the second to worse one 5. Captain America being (somehow) responsible for New York makes it his fault that for Tony's mistakes and all other subsequent fall outs including but not limited to - The Sokovia disaster, Zemo's revenge, The Sokovia Accords, the death of Bruce Wayne's parents, the plague, etc: - No. - This is the worst point btw. 6. Civil War killed lots of people and continues to kill people: - All of the Civil War part of Civil War killed less than a handful of people and continues to kill no one. 7. Regarding tactics and the beginning mission in Civil War: - The mission was a reconnaissance mission. this requires a lot of people standing around and doing the same thing called reconnaissance. what else should people be doing other than the purpose of the mission which was to scope out for Crossbones. - With the obvious mistake that cost lives (of which Cap would agree was his fault), they succeeded at their primary mission to neutralize Crossbones and secondary mission to contain a deadly pathogen. - A SWAT team would not have been able to stop Crossbones 8. He abandons his missions for Bucky and only know where one friend is: - He didn't abandon any mission to go after Bucky. he wasn't on any mission in Civil War, in fact because he didn't sign the accords he was technically forcibly retired. same in the Winter Soldier, he fought Bucky to complete the mission to take down the Insight Hellicarrier and only after that was accomplished did he throw down his shield. the only 'mission' he abandoned for Bucky was in the First Avenger where he ditched the propaganda tour to try to find and rescue him and other POWs in Italy during WW2, the act that effectively made him a hero - Cap believes in the civil liberties of all people and would disapprove of tracking Thor or Hulk. 9. He's unorganized because he didn't notice or stop the Sokovia Accords - He wouldn't have been able to stop it - Tony only barely knew about the Accords, it was most likely a pretty well hidden secret - Every one else in the Avengers including Rhodey, a member of the US military, just found out about it too 10. He's too trusting, he's a walking symbol of America, something about Donald Trump: - He specifically doesn't sign the accords because he doesn't trust the government - Cap isn't a part of the american government anymore, not like he used to be. he was a member of SHIELD (an international spy agency), and then the Avengers (an international superhero agency) - Look to someone like Rhodey (War Machine) for a more political figure who very much so represents the american military and government. even Tony Stark has more ties to this as someone who used to develop arms and tech specifically for the U.S. military - Cap wears the american flag because he's supposed to represent the best ideals that America is supposed be: freedom, tolerance, justice, etc. it's his Superman 'S'. he also wears it because he's a propaganda comicbook character created in the 1940s - It shows just how much removed from the american government Cap is that his mistake in Africa makes the UN take a case to the Avengers, not the U.S. he doesn't cause WW3 by any of the actions he makes in Civil War and if he was as tied to the government as this says he is that probably would have been the case 11. Cap is apolitical - Yes - If this is a fault than here you go you got one, in both the comics and the movies Steve Rogers insists on not taking specific political sides believing that it is an abuse of his status as a public figure. he does however speak out openly regarding freedoms, tolerance, human rights and the like. he knows he can't change the system, he tries to change people's hearts instead i wrote this monster because i'm a horrible loser that has no life and this peeved me in just the right (wrong?) way. i want to say it was fun...but it wasn't. now i know what it must be like to be an After Hours writer.
wow so much wrong in this video. that almost ruined my ears. it wasn't the captain decision to fight in new york. what does it mean lure loki away are you serious? the portal was open thanks to stark building. and the part of the swat comparison is ludicrous. and melt the shield to make a suit. he is a super soldier he doesn't need a suit. and he choose the shield on purpose as a symbol of protection and not attack. he even ditch the firearms to prove his point. it was the most superficial and stupid video. no story or character is perfect. but you missed all the important points. and the you continued to bring batman in the talk. it didn't make any sense. unsubscribed. have a nice day.
Canadian Owl are you serious.? ahah super powered people doing evil things, aliens invasions. robot invasion. and secret societies embedded in every government around the world. but hey just follow the law and political agendas. yeah right. it is not arrogant. after seeing so many time the institution betrayal and corruption. has decided that nobody will stop him. and again. you did watch the movie. right. he was right all along. there is no such thing as arrogance when you are fucking 100 percent right. without him everybody would have been fucked. chasing fairytails and believing every shit.
They didn't even know what to look for, they were on generic patrol duty. They saw something suspicious and followed up on it and meanwhile *another* suspicious thing was happening and before they could stop it the truck went through the gate.
Tommy Derp exactly. they have superpowers they are not god. the moment they found out about the truck. it was already crashed on the front gate. those guys talk like villains aren't good too. if villains were fucking idiots we wouldn't need the avengers. right?
I don't agree with all the point made here (Black Panther is the Batman of Marvel, and a better Batman to boot). But I will say that a great deal of the conflict in Civil War was because Steve Rogers was an idiot, selfish, and short-sighted. Not even the most terrible of his sins was deciding that he knew better than the United Nations and took an international incident into his own hands.
PS: Tony Stark is Marvel's Batman, not Capitan America. He is filthy rich, parties all the time, and has a superhero alter ego. He also has tons of cool gadgets and he is a super-genius!
Although origins and gender are different.... Captain America as far as things go is the Marvel equivalent to DC's Wonder Woman, in terms of strength and intellect and commonality in any weaponry they use. And Superman's equivalent since I keep seeing this crap in the comments, is HYPERION, HE IS AN EXACT CLONE, sans Kryptonite.
***** Its hard to say, I mean without her bracers, oh fuck yes, she can make Artemis cry mercy, but with them on, she has a huge weakness that Cap can exploit being Male. I'm stating more so similarities, and clone like abilities. Wonder Woman is yes physically stronger, but when you watch her in shows and cinema... you know... its like... she ain't that amazing. She never really looks like she can do far more than Cap could with the same equipment. Either way, she reminds me of Cap in her actions, personality and abilities. That and they both fought in World War 2 XD
Umm... 1) What "huge weakness" does Wonder Woman have that Captain America can exploit due to being male? 2) Captain America is "peak human" in his abilities, meaning that he lifts around 800 lbs (putting him at "peak human" ability for a man of his height, weight and muscle mass), runs 30 mph and can jump 30 feet. Wonder Woman in her weakest incarnation (second-weakest, I should say, because for a time in the seventies she didn't have powers at all) outstrips these benchmarks many, many times over. 3) Marvel has literally half a dozen Superman rip-offs (and usually villains) of which Hyperion is only one and not even the closest one. For that look to Gladiator. 4a) I understand you were talking about powers, but if you want to talk about "what makes a character" then yes, Captain America is Marvel's Superman. They are both the embodiments of what most of Western society views as virtuous, and the fact Supes could tear Cap in half without breaking a sweat doesn't matter. Wonder Woman's Marvel analog is actually Thor: they are gods from ancient warrior cultures who leave their homelands (places out of time) to protect the modern world. Both are the best warriors from their realms, they are equally matched in terms of strength, speed and durability (both are super durable against blunt force trauma but Thor wears mail and Diana wears bracers (not bracelets) to buff their defense verses firearms/projectiles) and they use magical items to enhance their already formidible abilities: Thor just has an all-in-one thing with Mjolnir while Diana has her lasso, tiara, sword and shield. 4b) Batman doesn't really have a Marvel counterpart... or, rather, he has many. Like Supes, The Bat is duplicated quite a lot in Marvel, but they aren't as *painfully obvious* as the Superclones. The top contender and most like Batman is Nighthawk (though there've been a lot of different versions of that character) but since he (like Hyperion) was a lambaste of The Justice League, I don't really count him as #1. Instead i would say that Black Panther is the Marvel Batman. Everyone says "Iron Man" but other than being rich (which many heroes are) and orphans, they have nothing in common. Batman has more in common with Spider-Man than Iron Man (I'm saying that without irony) although Spidey also rips off Supes in a lot of ways so... whatever.
***** Not reading all that. If a man ties Wonder Woman's wrists(with bracers on) together, she loses ALL OF HER POWER. And wrong on Cap's uhh strength cap. Since he can lift 1100+lbs easily,and he considers it just a warm-up, no sweat. I compared them in terms of cinematic values, comics are a corn maze 20 miles long and wide. Also, before you say Hyperion isn't the closest clone, you don't seem to understand that Hyperion has every single power Superman has, no more, no less. Furthermore, like superman, he gains power from the sun. Oh and he's an Alien whose planet was destroyed. The difference... he's the one who destroyed it usually, lol Oh and Gladiator... his powers are basically god-modding. So long as he has no doubt his strength is immeasurable and infinite, but if he doubts he becomes weak.... ~facepalm~ He's also apparently stronger than Superman, able to move a planet by himself, no help.
He keeps tabs on Bucky because Bucky is the only link to his past. The only person still alive from his time and his best friend. So...that's a friggin' stupid question.
It's almost like they didn't watch the first Captain America Movie. He gets off the stage and into battle IN ORDER TO SAVE BUCKY! His whole fucking character and motivation is "save Bucky Barnes".
In the real USA, it is possible to start spontaneous "USA! USA!" cheer mobs just as quickly as you see here. This is even funnier than the background scene in the "After Hours" episode about what life is like in a musical comedy.
Can we talk about how Cap essentially wants the power to drop a nuke on any country he pleases without consequences? I mean, he & his team have the power to level a city in an afternoon, but he doesn't feel they at all need any kind of oversight?? Yeah, the examples they used in the movie were mostly out of their hands, but they also took zero steps to minimize the collateral damage, & that still doesn't excuse the fact that they had no one holding them accountable for their actions. If it hadn't been for Tony's own charitable nature, no one would've forced them to do jack shit to help repair the communities they devastated.
That’s why the train, to minimize any collateral damage, I can get with the idea that they should have someone to rein them in for any mishaps but oversight doesn’t equal no collateral damage.
Except.... he and his team caused none of the problems. It's like blaming the heroes who risked their lives trying to save people in 911 for the airplane attack. Cap and his team are only reacting to threats that are happening anyways. Threats that would destroy EVERYBODY. So asking them to be responsible for the damage caused by the situation that they didn't cause is kinda unfair. Would you also blame people who try to save people from hurricanes for the hurricane damage??? In the movies at least, the Avengers couldn't have been blamed for anything. Tony Stark was to blame for Ultron, but that was all on Tony. The rest of the stuff was just the Avengers reacting to the threats. So your entire premise is wrong. They did not devastate the communities, they saved the people in the communities that were being devastated. And oversight wouldn't work because the situations they dealt with were situations where they didn't have has much time to wait and see. People were complaining to the Avengers NOT because they caused trouble, but because it's easier to blame them for the problems than the actual source. Can't blame the guy who is light years away? Blame Captain America. Can't blame random space rock? Blame Avengers.
@@TheDeathmail Ultron wasn't "all on Tony" like most people and the narrative love to claim. Bruce had a huge part to play in Ultron's creation, and if we want to go even deeper, Tony's frenetic needs to protect the world from the Evil Above was amplified by Wanda's mind manipulation. So no, again, it's not "all on Tony" In the African country (I'm terribly sorry for not remembering the name) where they localised Rumlow and eventually blew up a building and many citizens, once again Steve decided to go without anyone's approval on a hunt. It ended up terribly for everyone around except the Avengers. That was blatant disregard for nations and their right to protect their borders, for the police forces in said country, and basically for everyone who dares disagree with Steve. Steve is a timebomb. He's always so very certain he's doing the right thing that when someones tells him that maybe he's not, that person will be disregarded without any second thought. And yes, sorry but the Avengers should be held accountable for their mistakes. The examples used by General Ross were boggus at best, but the heart of the complain is very sound and real. I'm not saying they should be blamed for everything. But they should be held accountable when they do make mistakes. And more importantly, they shouldn't be left unsupervised. They're extremely powerful persons, with powers beyond random people. You can't deny that people have every right to want to be protected and to have insurances that these super persons won't be able to turn on them and take power however they want. That their power is balanced and that they can't just do what they want and get away with it.
@@lucieb6309 So if the AVENGERS are watched over. It's the United Nations that will watch over them. AND, you know what will happen? THEY'LL USE THE AVENGERS for warfare and defense but most importantly, their political issues will impact the avengers. The avengers may not be able to go to differnt areas of the world without authority as well because of restrictions and What if the UN has bad blood wth a country and theirs a wanted villian in that country? The UN will most likely not allow a pass to enter that country which will mean the escape of the villian and deaths of innocent.. So, is it better for the heroes to be watched over by the security of the world who can determine what the avengers can or cannot do to stop a threat under political issues. or should heroes have their own freewill to do whatever it takes to stop a threat even if it means not abiding by the rules. Im on caps side. the safest hands are in our heroes still.
No, I think Sorin might be Ant-Man cause it wouldn't make sense for there to be two iron men in one sketch, and like they said the lady behind the counter is the new version of Iron Man from the comics
@draxus Oh of course. I completely forgot Falcon. I mean couldn't it be either falcon or ant-man? They have similar colours and it was never explicitly stated who Dan and Soren were?
Black Panther is the Batman of Marvel. Broody, rich, "only human" yet they're both masters of basically everything, use both gadgets and martial arts, etc etc. Also I'm Team Iron all the way but the Avengers did everything they could in NYC. What were they supposed to do? "Oh man, Loki is unleashing his army in the middle of a highly populated area. Well we should let the government nuke the place or whatever. Don't want to get blamed for making the situation worse". Yeah there was a lot of damage and casualties but for a conflict against a technologically advanced race coming out of a portal in one of the most populated places in the world, I have to say it was kept pretty contained.
So what you are saying is that Captain America is EXACTLY like America is, one that wants to do good but keep making worse villeins every time it tries.
Admittedly, a lot of the issues the Avengers face isn't exactly their fault. Even if they led the Chitauri out of New York, the portal was still open over Stark Tower, so New York would've actually been in more danger without Avengers protecting it. Additionally, the US military decided to launch a nuke at the city, hoping that everything would sort itself out, so the Avengers did actually save the world. As for Ultron, Tony technically made him because of a vision that Scarlet Witch gave to him at the start of the movie. As for the Sokovia Accords and Civil War, Rogers can't be called a rebel when Tony broke the Accords when it benefited him. To quote HISHE, it should have really been called the Tony Stark Accords.
Jared Thompson No.. The fact that Tony just announced that he’s Ironman pretty much made him target for any villian attacks like what literally happened in his old house.. The fact that he made his new one in the middle of a crowded city is like literally asking for a 9/11 scenario..
Umm, the "Avengers" actually saved the world? No, I believe it was clearly TONY STARK who carried the nuke up into the wormhole, ending the Chitauri invasion as he single-handedly saved New York City and tens of millions of people, plus saved the world from the war that would inevitably follow the loss of its most important city. Give Tony credit where credit is due -- HE saved the day.
>>Falcon would be Cap if it weren't for Chris Evans Dude, just shut up. Yes, I would like that to happen, but Marvel is testing to things to gage responses. They aren't just going to change Movie stuff just because they on a whim did something in the comics. As great as Sam Wilson's Cap book is, it's not doing too hot in sales, which yes, does annoy me. And even then, you ignored Bucky Cap. Also, how is it Cap's fault that the aliens invaded? It was Loki who opened up the portal!
Apparently, liking a black superhero makes you an "Sjw" now? I guess if you want to officially proclaim that the anti-SJWs are actually all about white people. I mean...you all did already pretty much proclaim that with the alt right movement as it is, so...
nope...but liking a tokenism , thinly veiled attempt to pander like fake iron "man" does make one an idiotic millennial sjw f*cktard ....otoh ....the alt right can eat a box of sharpened dicks ....not a bigot , just a comics purist /shrug
Yah know, everyone is quick to point out how the Avengers practically ruined NY, but no one mentions the NUKE the government sent to really ruin NY's shit. Or at least it would, if the Avengers hadn't got rid of it.
Tony may be a superficial Marvel Batman, but Cap is much more like Batman in an ideological way. Both characters are deeply rooted in their ideals and are willing to do more, with or without political support. They're both idealistic rebels in comparison to Iron Man and Superman who want their government to have a say in their actions. They operate outside the system because they don't trust in it, and who can blame them, with characters like Nick Fury and Amanda Waller running government agencies they understand these people are motivated by having an edge, not by doing what is best for the people.
Which is why he's so keen on taking care of Bucky, especially in Civil War where (spoiler alert) his past love interest died leaving him as his only true friend. Can you imagine growing up one way and then being dropped into the future where everyone sees you as a relic, to an extent. Of coarse he's going to catch up on non-political things, it's the only way he'll be able to have real/normal interactions with people. He doesn't comment on politics because he knows he doesn't know enough. All he knows is what's right and what's wrong, which is the best way for a hero to operate.
Elmin Legend Superman as a whole is more willing to be cooperative with them. Which isn't a bad thing either, Clark and Tony aren't being push overs they are characters who feel they should trust and work together. Granted, with the comics being so vast and full of different writers, eras, and continuities there's a counterpoint for every point made. Which, getting back to the video, is my point, you can't boil any of these characters down to a simple "he's right, he's wrong".
I understand your point but I disagree. Being cooperative is one thing. Taking orders, like Tony in Civil War, is another thing entirely. Clark would side with Cap in Civil War. Superman is all about freedom. Even though there are some big problems with the DCEU's Superman, one thing they did get right was the fact that he's not willing to be controlled by the US government. "You're afraid of me because you can't control me. You don't. And you never will. But that doesn't mean that I'm your enemy". I mean, those words could've easily come out of Cap's mouth in Civil War and it wouldn't have sounded weird.
khartog01 though who decided to split the team? Cap also could’ve helped edit the Accords and worked with Tony to revise them to offset his fears with checks and balances. Tony even suggested that. I mean I’m sure he did, but did Steve even read the whole thing?
khartog01 also wasn’t a whole point that if the groups had been working together and stayed together that they could’ve prevented Thanos from collecting the stones?
@@TheBasketBaller00 Tony did. Tony split the team. And why did the team split? Because of the Sokovia Accords? And who was at fault for the Sokovia Accords? Yep, Tony again. Tony's the worst Avenger. Easily. And Cap's the best. Easily.
Her codename is Ironheart, not Ironman. Also, they didn't choose for the invasion to happen in New York. that just happened to be where Tony's arc reactor was. They did what they could to limit the death toll.
The real problem is Steve acting in other countries with no authority. It's the one problem with the Avengers post-SHIELD. When they worked for SHIELD, they could go wherever SHIELD had the authority to send them (which is nebulous enough in itself). But when Black Widow wikileaked all of SHIELD/Hydra's secrets and Cap crashed the hellastupid-carriers, they became private citizens who just show up in whatever country they think needs their help. Altruistic, maybe, but most people would characterize what he does as invasion. The whole point of the Sokovia Accords was to give them that authority again. And yeah, so they'd have to answer to someone else; but Steve's a soldier, so he should have *some* respect for the need for a chain of command. Without it, any six or seven guys could just say "Hey, I don't like what's going on in Afghanistan, let's pop in there real quick and take out some terrorists. Don't worry; I've got a shield."
and actually cap had nothing to do with Loki choosing stark tower. he needed a stable power source. and the only one that is off the grid and is large enough is the new arc reactor tony built. a lot of the things that happens is that Hawkeye knew that they could get shield to pull Tony away from his house for a couple of days on a wild goose Chase. those were tactics that the shield agents knew how to enforce as they are all spies. especially hawkeye since he's a highly ranked shield agent it's not at all difficult to see that once he got Barton he gained a near full proof way to get what he wanted. the real problem was since pepper wasn't at the tower she wouldn't have been there to call for help when random people were schlepping tech to the roof.
Every point made in this video is fundamentally wrong. Including the shit about Thor. And no, I'm not including the comics here I'm talking pure MCU here. Also the comparison between Cap and Trump? Y'all ought to be ashamed of yourselves.
