Why China Can't make Chips! 

@Bogda Nov yes, but in China case they are not a minority they are the rulers

SerpentZA, when was the last time you were in China

@Bogda Nov you mean ultra nationalists/Chinese supremacists Yes there are some and it's because there are gullible people in every county and in China the government propaganda promotes Chinese supremacy

How does China plan to lead the world by copying others? That's like winning a race by drafting behind other drivers.

@Bogda Novand South America, North America, the middle East, far East and South East Asia and of course Africa. They're basically everywhere.

Crazy. I guess fear of being wrong plays a big part cuz all kids have an imagination.

Yes, so China is good at copying, because they never forget it.

It may have happened because I have seen this happen in other Asian countries. Not the entire class but just the quiet nerds of the class with best marks.

This is our stereotype of the "inferior" races.

That's not smart, that's good memory.

Fortunately the CCP has a good strategy of poaching senior talent from Taiwan to help run their silicon/chip fabs. Unfortunately, the mainland Chinese government is crazy and you’re under constant threat and pressure while living there.

Great insight . Thank you

Well put.

@@eliasross4576 It amazes me how people still fall for it time and time again. Recently I heard of Tencent poaching a bunch of prominent video game devs, and it’s like “really”?

They don't do research because they can still copyright without getting punished

and to steal others Land and home

@@Treasure-bl3cn 😜😜😜

@@Treasure-bl3cn Palestine to the centre, XAR to the East

Love it.

Karma bitches!

@@djchristian82 We sold them two working machines and outside of our custom DSP chips all other components were standard available. So they missed 8 chips per copied machine.

The truth is, Europe can't keep up with the Asians in terms of designing and making TV screens.

Oh wow!

That's something I've never thought about.

SEG electronic market in Shenzhen is a reuse of chips from old phones and other technologies. Fake chip manufacturers will rebrand old new chips, but the die is different.

I bought a fake Ethernet card from a Western retailer (ebuyer) that they had (unknowingly) gotten from China. It was branded as a well known make of NIC, of course it was the cheapest one listed - but it was actually a totally different NIC made by a different Chinese firm. the supplied Windows driver worked fine but when I tried the manufacturers driver in Linux the card would not work at all. I found out on the forums that it was a well known fake and was infact a totally different chinese NIC. I was able to get it to work using ndiswrapper on the supplied Windows driver, but the couple of dollars saved was outweighed massively by all the hassle getting the thing to work. And the worry of not being able to trust the damn thing. Moral of the story, it's worth paying a little bit more for good Western stuff. And it's not like the Chinese stuff is a third of the price, often it's barely any cheaper. The thing is the NIC was so damn cheap, like $15, how do these Chinese even make any money creating and selling these fake network cards? I could see it being worthwhile if they were selling a garbage 1gbps NIC as top level 10gbps enterprise kit and just hoping that most buyers won't use the 10gbps and so won't notice the fraud. But low end stuff?

How recent was the updated requirement?

I do have a small microelectronics business, together with my russo-chinese wife and some friends in Germany and chinese suppliers sold us fake microcontrollers which were just empty housings and relabeled ECC RAM, which in reality was just regular DDR3 ram with a new sticker on it. But the biggest scam were the PCM stereo sound processors, we ordered for a project. They did appear to work at first but after a few hours of use the right channel died on all of them. At first, was a bit angry at my significant other, because she otherwise establishes good connections to chinese vendors and doesn't fall for scams, then i noticed, that even trusted suppliers can randomly become unreliable. The one which sent us the defective sound chips was very reliable for the past 10 years and now most of the things they sell are scam products. Once we had a business costumer which wanted his 386 PC repaired (it was used for a industrial scale) and the only ones which have "new" parts for this old technology are suppliers from China. They just put 30 year old chips in a new housing, but at least those weren't fake. When ordering from china, always be careful with each single order, even if you are a long term costumer.

Exactly and machines to produce what they may someday reverse engineer are equally as hard to reverse engineer and produce. It's the whole chain that they need to understand and to produce, not only the final product.

They do have lots of knowledgeable ppl who can do the work, but the problem is that the leaders want to see the outcome right away.

Not true, China has IC foundries. Ever heard of SMIC? Neither have I until today (when I looked this s••• up)! But they make logic chips (CPUs). Hua Hong also makes microprocessors, maybe these processors are crud and built using older larger fabrication nodes, but they have many foundries no doubt because the rest of the world including us in the U.S. feed the demand instead of making things like this domestically. Of course Intel does make chips domestically but also in other nations. I used Wikipedia as they already have hopefully a decent aggregate dataset for this, searching directly was ironically a bit more difficult especially since I don't know what China is doing. I was able to find articles from what I would think are trustworthy tech-related media sources claiming that SMIC has made processors using 14, 10 and 8nm nodes. This doesn't speak to the quality of the chipsets, but they are already making them. Honestly I thought MediaTek chips were Chinese. I try to avoid anything made in China if I can. This is kind of impossible when it comes to buying electronics as some of the devices are assembled there and some components therein are manufactured there. We don't have a choice in where the companies we buy from choose to assemble their products.

@@VariantAEC SMIC was sued by TSMC, accusing SMIC of misappropriating TSMC intellectual property. payment to TSMC of an aggregate of US$200 million; and a grant to TSMC 8% of SMIC's issued share capital and a warrant which would allow TSMC to obtain total ownership 10% of SMIC's issued share capital.

@@chongtak since everyone gets their manufacturing done in china, i thknk they already have the machines

that goes to show you, education trumps intelligence, pun not intended.

there are so many spies from china here

laughs in 3nm architecture

@@SirWilliamDeHooton Yawn... How do you think the 7 nm chips were built? With Chinese litographs? ^^ Little spoiler: those can only handle 28 nm for the moment ;).

@@SirWilliamDeHooton Ah they'll surely try now. We'll see how successful it is eventually. For ASML it took them decades to get to the current point. Anyway, for a country which apparently needed 5 years to manufacture little steel balls for pens, excuse me if I am a bit sceptical regarding fast Chinese successes with the lithograph technology. ;)

@@SirWilliamDeHooton It seems you don't know what racism actually means... Regarding the pens: didn't you watch the video? The USA imports electronics, because it's cheaper. So how the hell is it advantageous to get the mentioned steel balls from Germany, Switzerland or Japan?

The nano meter label has become a vague marketing description , something like the 2000 watt (pmpo) amplifier (with a 100 watt power supply) of years gone by

What is your position on ASML? A company which nearly sold the 5.nm or so machines which China so desperately needs now? HTMC is only half the equation here. Ongoing race for sure but one we are currently loosing. What we lack in manpower we must make up in Engineering and R&D. We can't afford to be complacent anymore given our lack of human resources so to speak. What is your observations as an IT professional? :)

@@BlazinNSoul to be honest ? i wish it was all open-source , so that every company could make machines like that , may the best chips win .. and give the English saying " cheap as chips " a new meaning

For the cutting edge computers this is true, but 10+ year old architecture is totally fine for most of the stuff we use. Even cold war era stuff can make for an accurate missile or satellite.

@@saltalmighty1141 as a " IT-Technician" whatever that means for you, you really REALLY should know what ASML is and WHY that question really questions everything you said.

True, but I am not sure if the race can keep going on when the goal post is so close. I mean the classical physical limits are unmovable and there wasn't any truly significant advance in quantum engineering, at most we got small steps. Noise is still a huge problem preventing to create quantum computers that are effectively more powerful than classical computers, and cheaper or at least more energy efficient. Maybe the race will focus on hardware to train and run artificial neural networks. That technology is noise-resistant, so sacrifice can made to increase computational power and/or reduce power consumption, at the cost of some noisy failure from time to time.

China is a social Democracy, their economy is social market economy. Basically, a mixed economy. It's not that hard to understand. You guys are stupid.

Correction 5mn as of today

The IT industry committed Economic Treason en masse in shutting down U.S. operations and manufacturing and sending them to China. It was far worse than short-sighted, or awful management decisions, it was outright greedlust by CEO's and Boards of Directors.

Pump and dumped X_X

@@HoboKa_AlexShtokalko Schadenfreude?

Same issue, after the third time I asked the rep: are you sure you want to keep using that manufacturer to supply my parts? - it's costing you a fortune!

@@hentype - They also use clips from hollywood movies claiming to have destroyed other militaries in various skirmishes. Like claiming to shoot down India's fighter jets, but it's a film clip from Top Gun.

at least whoever was writing those specs seems to have been making intelligent decisions, instead of throwing safety out the window.

Yes. Funny. There is a propaganda channel. Hot Topic Time. They made an episode to dispute this.

I would imagine that quality control (or lack thereof in the PRC) would be a large part of such a mandate. Undoubtedly tovu-dreg and its mentality, counterfeit and substamdard materials do not limit themselves to building and infrastructure construction.

New Zealand updated their loco fleet from China after 3 years of service one of the DL locos from China had an alternator failure...These are sealed units that are supposed to last 20 years of around the clock use...Kiwi fitters took the alternator apart and found inside a German bearing that had melted to slag...Samples of the bearing were sent to the German bearing makers who found it wasnt one of their bearings even though it had their stamp on it...It was a Chinese copy being passed off as a German bearing...The Locos also arrived in New Zealand with asbestos for sound proofing even though that was specifically banned from the build once again the Chinese had taken short cuts.

And they had 2 colliding high speed trains (Wenzhou train collisionin 2011). We still don't know the root cause, European tech badly redesigned to improve performances or railway track safety technology.

I'm suprised you can even see the video. Be careful you don't go for some education.

@@thisismyspout because he is a fake chinese.

​@@thisismyspoutlil bro, trust RU-vid comment 😂😂

@@boiscooka232 More than any government lol

How a local Chinese can reach RU-vid?

it's not so much about nm, but it's more about design.

You guys are stupid. If China can build their own space station, they can build their own chips.

Well, they made a sub-10Nm chip

@@FoquroC31With western equipment.

@@Sl1pstreams That's the point. The sanctions don't work.

I've heard that the owners of the Chip factories said they would destroy everything in the face of China invading.

As soon as China would invade Taiwan and manages to hold on to it. ASML would no longer supply or support maintanance on their UEV machines at the TMSC factories. It's extremely hard to copy even if you posses the machine. It would also be next to impossible to repair them. The technogies involved to create them are simply not in the hands of Taiwan. Backwards engineering understanding and building would take to long to make it an worthwhile investment. Hence it wouldn't surprise me at all if those machines are targeted for destruction at the signs of an serious invasion they can always buy more if they manage to repel the invasion.

@@randar1969 Yep! Even consuming Taiwan wouldn't be of much help to China.

@@randar1969 neither are they in the hands of the USA. ASML machines are are the result of a remarkable, open scientific culture of the former Philips Natlab in the Netherlands. Unfortunately the Natlab no longer exists and Philips decided to stop the chip division. Almost The Netherlands lost the chipmachine industry also, however a few visionairs founded ASML and believe me nobody comes close to copying their machines. Not TSMC nor any company in the USA.

@@janhemmer8181 Dat zal ik niet weten, nouja ach we hebben Velthoven nog! Is my answer in native Dutch ;-)

China will be taking Taiwan with their massive naval fleet and hundreds of cheap rockets they’ll overwhelm any military due to their sheer numbers

you are wrong. it has to do with US military present. don't forget Taiwanese are 100% Chinese.

@@siramike2654 Have you ever heard of the China One policy? America acknowledged that Taiwan is part of China. It was previously called Formosa. Just like Hong Kong was reintegrated, the same will happen with Taiwan. Peacefully or militarily, it will happen.

@@jamram9924 Have you ever heard of the Six Assurances? The US never acknowledged PRC sovereignty over Taiwan and will never acquiesce to any kind of invasion of the place. We sell the Taiwanese weapons to defend themselves for a reason. It is either peaceful reunification or no reunification at all.

@@markbutler8940 Yes. They’ve been in place since the Reagan Adminstration. Also supported throughout several administrations. We’re dealing with a much more aggressive China and a much different times. It would absolutely insane for us to believe we can travel thousands of miles over the Pacific to fight China over a tiny island called Taiwan. China, whether through peaceful means or force will take Taiwan. The West’s reliance on the cheap labor China produced created a financially and militarily strong China. Now, our politicians are surprised China wants Taiwan back? The US has overplayed its hand and countries like China and Russia aren’t going to sit idly by and watch the US influence countries in their hemisphere. We’re seeing that with Ukraine. The US/UK/Russia had an agreement regarding Ukraines loss of nuclear weapons in exchange for protection and Russia would not invade. Now we see these present set of circumstances Ukraine is living under with Russia occupation of approximately 20% of Ukraine.

Yes, with machines from ASML. With their own litographs they can only manage 28 nm for the moment.

​@@Xarx42, shifting the goal posts, huh? Because the blacksmith does not produce all the tools that he uses to forge an excellent knife does not mean that knife is not excellent. Keep that same energy for South Korea and Taiwan...

And it’s a garbage copy using western tech and imported lithography machines

now is the time to admit you were wrong, not double down what a clown!@@serpentza

​@@serpentza WELL, Well, well, I bet you haven't tested or gotten the data on the actual performances of the chips prior to calling it "garbage". That's unironically a very thorough, scientific, and rational response mister serpentza. Another mistake is that, as for the specific machines they use, I suppose there's no confirmed evidence of whether they have used Western-imported machines or that they have designed and built some other contraptions to achieve similar result. Your claim that "Why China can't make chip" is flawed. Obviously, there are many assumptions you haven't verified and taken into account when making such conclusion. It's not difficult to point out either; you haven't shown actual numbers about their whole microchip manufacturing arsenal including, the theories they know, the materials they have, the number of technicians/scientists/engineers working in the field, and all the related assets that can be related to their ability to craft chip. I don't think that you are an unintelligent individual, unlike some, if not most, of your followers, and I'd assume that you were all aware of the flaws I've mentioned above even back then. Given the hypothetical i.e. you are a intelligent and rational individual looking for easy money, I guess your videos work well to fool RU-vid users who don't ponder too much and are against China; they would ultimately feed your pocket. Well, given that the general Western media is against China, as we can sees from CNN, Fox News... opinions about the country over those 5 years, making a channel that triggers those anti-China feelings would get you more clicks which would imply more profits regardless of whether you are presenting facts about the country or not or maybe some random mixtures. Well, let's assume that you might have been to China given your past clips and perhaps getting some random video clips from whatever possible correspondents you have in China or any intermediate, it's fairly simple for you to decide whether you are telling the truth or not; nonetheless, you can shape those evidence at your will, and most Westerners would still believe them as they are merely sitting in the Platonic Cave and give full faith onto someone who seems to show a bit of something that fits their narrative. Perhaps, you are sponsored by some third-parties that reap profits from you spreading rumors about China through sampling bias and hasty generalization given various unsourced clips without much context. Just a hunch, don't take it too seriously. Not sure if there are other causes for which you are doing those videos; maybe your family or life is at jeopardy if you don't? At last, good for you that people don't think too much. Perhaps you are getting your intended results. Well, at least, you have gotten some profit from me clicking on this video. But in any case, your game seems to be few steps behind of what I can see.

@@serpentza Are you saying western tech and western lithography machines are garbage? How can we take you seriously anymore?

the propaganda responses in these comments is insane

Empire has changed: its energy and information now. Armies and navys arrive third.

@@plowe6751 I don't know. They did take down "Empire" from streaming. Kind of hard to censor "empire" from Chinese history. "Imperialism", however, is something only other nations do.

@@Quondom the age of empires is behind us. The rest of the world knows, but China doesn't.

Wrong. If China takes over Taiwan, THE ENTIRE PLANET COLLAPSES...Wake up. Even the US relies on chips made in Taiwan ! The smartphone producers too! GPU producers too!!! It's a domino...And the amount of IP stored in Taiwan is HUGE...If they get there, it's game over...

@@Quondom Tell that to Tibet.

Yup, people often stop halfway and think TSCM, Intel and Samsung make the chips that are designed by Apple, Nvidia, AMD etc. But they all rely on ASML which has a monopoly on DUV and EUV machines which is in turn reliant on Zeiss for the crazy high tech mirrors.

@@Dionyzos All those high tech companies above are using applied science technology (formula given). The research (electronics) was done by Bell America telephone and also produced software C used in these devices today.

Very true. Even the machine that makes the near perfect sphere that is in the ball point pen is a serious feat of engineering. Turning solid wire into a perfect tiny little sphere is a serious piece of machinery.

@@amuxpatch2798 C is a real productivity killer. Forth can be developed much faster. And can be the assembly language of a properly designed chip. The RTX-2000 for example.

And at some point it becomes human... 😝🖐 the machine that makes the machine that makes the machine that ultimately needs the human hand 😛

Ah so China can produce lithographs which can handle 7nm? Show me. ;)

​@@Xarx42Can the United States independently produce the latest EUV lithography machines? In fact, no country in the entire world can develop it alone. I know that China can’t do it now, but that doesn’t mean it won’t do it in the future. The United States began sanctioning China 5 years ago, and no one thought that China could develop 7nm process chips, but now China has made them. , Unless through dumping, there has never been a situation in human history where technology cannot catch up. China just started late! And China is the largest semiconductor market in the world. I believe that if there is demand, there will be supply. The US sanctions have given China a reason to be self-reliant!

well said @@user-dr8wl2pu6v

Why ffs? Where do you think the machines came from to produce those chips?^^

@@Xarx42china made it by itself so stfu

@@Xarx42 They invented themselves! They managed to build a space station, developed their own rocket etc why should they not eventually manufacture their own advanced chips?

I worked for a company that made broadcast transmitters. For years the Chinese tried to copy our units. They got the parts count and assembly right but making a transmitter work is tough because it is 50% science and 50% witchcraft LOL Anyone who knows RF tech can tell you that this statement is accurate. Yes they can make phones and other things now, but the stability of their transmitters and receivers is dependent on those imported semiconductors and only skilled hands know how to tune big transmitters so they are perfect. That is why the cutting edge solid state units are made in North America, Europe, or Japan. Others make units but not nearly as good.

@@KlodFather Your meter told you to say that.

@@bbj7383 I agree with you. I retired from the power generation industry and as a controls guy, I used to "wave my magic wand" whenever I repaired an instrument or control device. Lots of experience and luck went into that work.

@@sanzieu - Mine was a green pen which was very hard to find and buy... But I bought them by the box from the supply house. They always knew when I put and entry one something because it was in green. I would have loved to see you do that... and I would have been back there bowing to make it even more a religious experiens LOL. All Hail the Great Santiago Zieu... The Slayer of Sprites in the Grid. 😜👍

You make a cogent point.

The professor of my senior year mechanical engineering design class had our group design a boat lift that I suspect was for his buddy's marina. Probably common to exploit students?

It all depends on the context. Technical universities often do reverse engineering as an exercise. For example, I remember an assignment when we had to analyze and explain a 709 op amp, from looking at a photo of the chip which was handed to us. While at uni, I've also done a much more complex exercise, the partial reverse engineering of a graphics chip, with layers etched off, photographing and analyzing, recreating an equivalent circuit schematic, simulating parts of the circuit/layout etc. However, at the end, this was an educational exercise and the purpose wasn't to copy and "steal" the chip. It was also a lot more fun than buzzing out the connections on a circuit board! 😁

our professor dont even go that far, they had studied a book of like 1980s era or 1990s, and they been teaching the same book for years, they have greyscale copies of those book as those book have so many editions now, they dont get printed anymore, they even ask student to redo the same projects of his own times like the ones students of 1990s might have submitted, and the same is repeated, it goes for students in engineering, medical colleges, research institutes you name it, be it a bachelor program or master or even PhD or whatever, I live in Pakistan

How else do you learn tho? Literally you have to hack and reverse engineer in the MIT.

If you just think of learning and stop, think of copy and steal, you can learn.

Manufactured by their own lithography process?

@@asmodeuso6 Yes! Dude

lol China is not that bad. maybe you had a bad experience.

Another China hater spotted

@@Mirpurmad you do know he's talking about pens, right?

The Chinese have never done ant R and D. All they do is reverse engineering and making dupes. Should be ashamed of themselves.

@@Mirpurmad China sucks to say the least.

See Chernobyl.

It's cultural, it's about "face"

@@studiohq It's not culture, it's what dictators and people with unlimited power have to do to stay in power. They must appear strong and infallable no matter what.

Imperfection spawns alternatives via revolution. In a seemingly perfect system without alternatives, everyone is eager to shift the blame. So that the glorious core can remain perfect and safe from responsibility.

How we got the Wuhan flu.

And how? With ASML machines. Even with the sanctions China is able to get lithographs which can handle 7nm. The question is: can Huawei (or another Chinese company) do better.

mate do you think taiwan and US pulls computer chips out of there ass , they use lithographs from ASML too, the computer chips are THE most complex thing humans do because of the presion needed , far more than rockets or anything (which china makes) ,they will probebly make the lithograph machine any times soon @@Xarx42

is that West Germany or East Germany?

@@resolvanlemmy East

@@AlbaniaBoi-ud4xi ok, thanks.

@@resolvanlemmy that was a really really stupid question, i mean i cannot find the proper word how stupid.

@@ursodermatt8809 my questions can be as stupid as they want, I don't care, I just wanna know things.

And why don't you ask yourself the question how Huawei was able to do so? With a Chinese lithograph?^^

@@Xarx42 but whats your point, you know this lithography isn't made by China? with your logic, no any country/area can make chip since TW/SK/US/EU/JP all need import semiconductor equipment from others, is that what you're saying?

But with European technology

5nm

Nope. They made a Dutch 7nm that got shipped with Huawei.

Believing anything the CCP say can be a bit of a trick, but it's a one-trick pony.

Wow, what a story! It reminds me of the prepared tours that the North Korean government usually does, only done in an even more half-assed way... Anyway the saddest part of all this is how incapable they are to rebel, how much they still love the totalitarian government that treats them literally like worthless garbage. And that’s not even a “CCP issue”, because even during the entire “century of humiliation”, a part of the Chinese population was able to rebel ONLY because foreigners could be blamed for the Empire’s problems (and still only “some” of them rebelled)... this makes you completely lose any hope with China, cementing the impression that their government can abuse them as if they are in Hell itself, only for the people to thank the government for abusing them....

Imagine what would have happened if the woman had taken out a box of Crayola markers.

You know it's 2022 right? China has come a long way since 1981.

@@lukeperry3648 Did anyone tell China that ?

was that before or after chinese economical spies would take photos of everything

I love watching high speed manufacturing. The idea of the amount of time and energy put into a machine that can quickly put together something that most of us don't even give a second thought it insane. I don't see China catching up in this regard anytime soon.

Swiss.

legit, I just read about it now

He was busy suggesting that it was fake... He then went on radio silence...

Asians by default are copycats of western products and Russian military hardware. Monkey see , Monkey do .

@@GTKdje3 Well, no need to сast pearls before swine...

What does that have anything to do with China? SE Asia is a different region. Are like just trying to shit on Asians in general lol

That's encouraging. What would be even more encouraging is for Western firms to quit off-shoring all together, or at least do so for high-technology products.

This Applied Materials manufacturer sounds like a good investment opportunity.

so what is the different between Korean and China. remember China used be the Centre for those East Asians countries in the past.

US is the biggest thief. The CIA's modus operandi is "lie, cheat, steal and kill". 40 years ago US created the Echelon, a spying system using satellite dishes with nodes all over the world. It collected INDUSTRIAL data, military data as well as personal data. In other words, it was a comprehensive spying system stealing just about everything from the world. I can go back further but you get the drift.

@@siramike2654 The difference is he and his family are Korean Nationals. So working at Samsung is a national pride. I'm glad you brought up China used to be the center of east asian countries in the past, in fact one could argue Ancient China was once the most technological country of the world. But that era you speak of never existed during the Communist party of China. The PRC era hasn't contributed anything to the humankind other than cheap labor, and mass genocide of its own people.

My mom almost got a job in china, but she didn't want us to get stuck over there if her job didn't work out, she also worked for the us army as a programmer, idk if the china job was with the US army or not, probably good she didn't take it.

@@siramike2654 The China of the past is Taiwan 23m and the overseas Chinese in Indonesia 7m, Thailand 9m, Malaysia 7m, Philippines 1m, Singapore 2m, and the USA 5m. Mainland China is communist, - The CCP had shed China’s past. During the Cultural Revolution in the 1960s and 1970s it sought to overturn the “four olds”: old customs, old culture, old habits and old ideas. Temples, mansions and tombstones were ravaged, along with any artifacts or people associated with the bourgeois way of life.

And a tiny country that is much less powerful than China, i.e. Taiwan, can create 3 nm Chips on a much larger scale while China, whose economy is much much bigger than Taiwan, can not make the same!

@@codejunkes4607 while can the America do chip manufacturing as taiwan？

@@nmjjlei8753 IBM created 2 nm chip already and for mass production TSMC is creating farms in USA.

@@codejunkes4607 so,you can't do mass production as TSMC right now? such a joke laughing at China

A serpent is speaking.

@Geographer Sudoku Source?

@@user-cl9px6kz4i You're probably referring to yourself as a member of the She Gin Ping Pong troll army.

@@user-cl9px6kz4i why, you want to steal stuff?

@Right for Opinion what an ironic name.

They don't understand all the nuances that comes with such precise manufacturing and engineering. This is because they never had to do the R&D that is necessary to find out what it takes to make all these advanced hi-tech products. They think they can just steal and reverse engineer the products once they get a hold of them.

Also there is no incentive to build a plant because some bully would just take it away.

IP is no property but State-granted monopoly. And if it isn’t property, it can’t be “stolen.”

@ You can redefine its meaning all you want, but that doesn't mean it can't be stolen. That's why there are laws specifically made to protect it.

@ Based on the quality of your logic, I can see why you have no regard for the worth of IP. You'll never have an idea that anyone would bother to steal.

Bro this channel only do 1 thing Anti china propaganda 😂

Why, what happened?

Yes Germany is full of hidden champions, small or medium sized enterprises that are highly specialised in the production of products of extremely high quality that nobody else worldwide can produce. Same for Switzerland and the Netherlands.

All the millions that went into developing the space pen, while the russian just used pencils

Ultimately Russian cosmonauts switched from using grease pencils to the Fisher Space Pen.

@@jadenephrite …. Yes, and the russians ended up buying those pens for hundreds of dollars in bulk, rather than waste millions in reinventing the wheel. I know the fisher pen has all of the marvel in the world, i used to own one in college, but i highly doubt using a pencil instead of those space pens was going to be the difference between a successful mission and one that ended in catastrophe

@@spitgiezer you don’t want your computer components bathed in graphene …

@@Manteo1984 it´s not graphene but graphite, though it´s also electrically conductive so the result remains the same

They used lithograph tech from 80’a Here is what was wrote -Duplicating the TSMC N7 process must have been hard, expensive and high priority. But it leads nowhere. What we see when we pop that chip open is not a scarfy future, but a tiny white elephant bathed in deep ultraviolet. China is learning to build the world's finest propeller engine, just as its competitors enter the jet age. Admire the effort, but don't cash in your chips just yet.

@@Conan-ny1um "China is learning to build the world's finest propeller engine, just as its competitors enter the jet age." I couldn't have said it any better myself!

If what u say is true why US need to stop worldwide countries from using China 5G. They already sanction advance chips yo be sold to China. Without advance chips all 5 G equipments cannot be assembled or manufacture anymore. Unable to manufacturing all the 5 G equipments how China able to selling 5G systems to those who support China 5G? If advance chips is manufactured in USA why USA till now still struggling to build a proper 5 system to compete with China. Your facts just hold no water

@@minsoonang7425 It’s well published my friend ! There’s over 20 articles on it.

Alot of false information from someone saying he knows tech (the video maker), even though china is still behiend the likes of TSMC and Samsung? it's just dishonest to say that they arn't advancing, they are about a decade behind, which we all know that isn't a huge difference knowing that chip manifacturing is heldback, the performonce gained each generation is becoming lower and lower and the difficulty of manifacturing is harder and harder, and the coast is soaring for these chips, and we all know that making something from scratch is way harder than making something that was made before, so it's just a matter of time for china to catchup.

There's noting in there about the sham of American Democracy. Confused as to Authorita- ah. China. You meant China. I was thinking, ya know. U S

@@ms-jl6dl No I don't and you know I don't. The CCP is who I'm talking about. Go troll someplace else.

@@dvrrwd307 China is anything but failing imo. Copium is a medicine that americans inhale which prevents them from exploding thinking about China's rise.

you mean USA? they literally bomb countries and their reason is wrong intelligence 😆

@@ms-jl6dl cry some more tankie

Fun fact: the US has been doing this to Germany for decades. At least the Chinese don't do much to hide it.. XD

Corporate, political, social and academic espionage. They spy on it all.

Can I read the other reply, RU-vid , you scumbags?

what fucking espionage, they make everything, everything is made in china, do they copy? yes, but they dont need no espionage, just change label

It says 5 comments to this post Aljaz K, , yet none show up. China trolls commenting here? Shadow bam I guess?

The company makes the order and factory creates it.

Right I've noticed that too.

It's been that way for so long now, I've come to the conclusion that my body has some strange kind of electromagnetic thing going on that breaks ball point pens whenever I touch them.

Maybe China needs another 5 years development time to actually get it right

@@tomlopez7819 I do that to LEDs and nuclear weapons.

Sounds like they need to double the money

Sounds a bit like Elon Musk. He's always ONLY 5 years or sometimes even only 2 years away from building a new civilisation on Mars. Meanwhile, his Tesla cars are killing people if people don't consciously DRIVE the cars whilst the "autopilot" feature is active ...a troll gimmick that is more useless than useful.

Kind of like Iran has been "six months away from having nuclear weapons" for as long as I can remember.

In the old days China just have to buy the chips from the west no need to make it themselves ....now that they face sanction from the west in the last few yearsfrom buying high end chips China have no choice but to try and make it in the near future ...China is (one China and one heart ❤️ stand together with same goal .

And fully relies on Europe and other western parts of the world. Before 1 chip is made. Thousands and thousands of high end western companies have worked together to make it a reality. It's a combination of companies together with the excellent expertise of TSMC. For me Taiwan is a country.

fake news

@@user-yj7zn9vb1n you are not doing your home work before replying., say no more!

中国不造圆珠笔滚珠只是因为市场太小，没有必要

I'll see your Taiwanese TSMC and raise you a Dutch ASML.

it says its run by people with the intellect and foresight of a 10 year old

@@TsoiIzAlive this is because the foundation of the country was based on burning books and persecuting the intellectuals

That's why i find china funny - they say they have top technology but they had to copy it to get it. So how can they be leaders of tech when they have to copy it from everyone else???

@@h.mandelene3279 because they have selective memory loss. Just like how they keep telling the world Taiwan is part of China. And yet In the past 70 years not a single China leader has set foot in Taiwan. And Taiwan has their own passport that allows them access to a FAR greater list of countries without a VISA whereas the "powerful" country needs visa for almost every country worthwhile to visit! Go figure

@@h.mandelene3279 Your knowledge of China is 20 years old. Learn to update your mental software.

They will find a cheaper material that does not last long.

The issue the Chinese manufacturing had was the tolerances required to prevent them from leaking. Tungsten is difficult to machine anyway, and this is a very tightly toleranced and very highly spherical part.

That’s irony for only one reason china is the biggest producer of tungsten in the world.

@@freedomdude5420 It's easy to mine natural resources, what differentiates the West from the world is that they add so much value to those natural resources. That's why they're rich. Anyone who claims they got rich just from invading other countries, and harvesting their natural resources should look at how much stuff in their house was invented in the West.

@@MrDosonhai I was referring to also that they have the biggest deposits in the world, but then again you are at right in some degree there a lot of countries with good resources but don’t have a way to make stuff with the materials it’s kind of an art. One thing I hate about countries with rich resources is it’s easy for the country becoming a dictatorship it’s when the country has to be forced with medium to low resources when a dictator loses power completely I don’t know why.

no he isn't. he is just saying, imagine, if they still have trouble making ball point pens, imagine how far behind they are in making things that are at the nanometer scale. some of our most advanced quantum chips have components that are just a few atoms in size

First he's south african, second I think he's right with everything. Or would you disagree with anything?

Ya bro I mean all them buildings in China are like made from cardboards. I bought one of them $5 Phone off wish the other day and I only got a cardboard printout. So it must be true.

That "maybe" has turned into a definitely not. Because just a couple of months ago Huawei produced their own 7nm chips. Which is only about 3-4 years behind the latest Snapdragon chips.

Why? Because it's an unresolvable dilemma, USA wants to have a well controllable lectorates yet it would like to have an innovative engineers and these two goals are not compatible; China does not care about lectorates it cares only about quality of engineers... there is no universal solution and evolution/natural-selection resolves this mess nicely, we are doomed to deal with existing and we have no chances to deal non-existing such trivial circumstances of reality lays down the basis for evolution...

Engineer here as well, and i have something to add as well. It's quite complicated but also abstract. I wasn't the top performing student in my canadian university, but for some reason, those of us with creativity always beat the "smart" students who were really good at solving problems. Unfortunately for them, it was all book knowledge. Unfortunately for them, they never realized how the real world works. How adding 5 decimal points after a temperature measurement would cost millions in equipment, how being overly ambitious with thesis projects and delivering nothing in the end was worse than doing something modest and working to build up your skills. I'm always able to use my creativity and skills to be practical about things. Clients don't like over-conservative analysis, nor do they like incompetence, so it's a fine balance. I always seem to have to defend and argue the "smart" colleagues i have because they genuinely cannot think outside the box, and that can cost us bids. In the end, solving triple integrals and PDEs by hand means nothing. A computer will solve it for you, and it's really just an intermin step in the METHODOLOGY of problem solving that's important. It will also involve risk and CCP hates risk. Who in their right mind would innovate under those circumstances?

They have a billion people. They are more interested in weeding mediocre people out of college.

That's what we would call an "Academic". We had professors who were good at solving problems in the book but had issues when it came to applying it to real life.

@@hans3331000 is it that the ccp hates risk, or that China is landlocked and lacks natural resources and their trade routes can easily blocked so there are more important things to do before Chinese can innovate

lol, it’s so bad it’s hilarious

@@serpentza it's an $800 laptop, what do you expect? imo a bit expensive but still reasonably priced considering the screen, RAM and storage.

@@serpentza are you a ai bot?

@@serpentza joker🤣

Do tell more, please😊

My dad is similiar, he's a director of multiple chinese energy factories(solar cell oriented in the most part), i saw some photos and i feel like they have been in better days but still, it looks pretty neat

And my father is the CEO of Microsoft, see I can also tell lies

isn't your text the opposite the thread creator said?

@@edgynuke5007 Why would you assume that's a lie?... It's a pretty big company, but it's not Microsoft and it's not like I even said he was the CEO. He was the director of his branch of the company that he worked for for like thirty years. Douchebag

Not really, I flipped my Acer laptop which I bought in 2022 and look at the bottom label it says Made in China. The reality is they're still made in China, not Vietnam or Mexico. Not just laptop, my ASUS RTX 2080 graphics card, my Logitech mouse, my Logitech keyboard, my Cisco wireless router, my TP-Link wireless router, are all made in China.

@@michaelg4158 I SAID MORE i said not all. Acer is cheap. All laptops are chinese made. RTX 2080 is old. 3000-4000 series alot are made outside of china. Your point is just not there.

@@GhettoWagon obviously it's not all. I mean all computers are still made in China for example branded laptop like Acer, Lenovo, HP and Dell and custom brand Cooler Master PC case, Asus motherboard, Gigabyte motherboard, MSI motherboard are still all made in China. Even my friend's Gigabyte RTX 3080 is also made in China.

Shenzhen

Why, what happened?

but many big companies are literally selling out to China, that's the problem I see! :S

It don't need to be. China has the power she can take what she wants. Taiwanese TMSC going no where.

@@victorye7150 like russia thought it can take but failed

@@victorye7150 Lol, keep dreaming.

@@Thrill98 lmao Russia is winning.

LOL cmon what is that cope you really think that takes 5 years?

@@dimamash1575 Why don't you get going on your own formulation and report back. Show us how long it takes to get right.

@@sentry8992xcept that he isn’t a government that collects tax from 1.5 billion people and boasts a GDP of over 17 trillion USD only behind the U.S

So, China had problems developing the ballpoint pen, who cares. Which other countries will be able to do build the ballpoint pen on their own? China has their own space station, I don't see any country with their own space station. Yeah, that's what I thought.

@@jukio02 You asked who cares? China cares. The Chinese government recognizes how important developing such capabilities are. That's why they undertook the challenge. The same with the space station and computer chips.

@@hanfucolorful9656 the india made the incredible feat of having their first rocket NOT crash, amazing, all the other "supercountries" failed at that

good love to hear this, why evil fails its called pride in the bible

@@hanfucolorful9656 China, if properly governed, would be the richest and most powerful nation on Earth. They have the resources, rare earth metals,.and even the ability to manipulate their own currency. They still fail.

@@ipanesm True. It was truly an impressive feat. Hats off to India, they beat the odds and achieved something great.

This is why i only order components in China and let the PCB's assembled in my home country. I would never send a full PCB design to a chinese supplier. Only stupid engineers would do this.

This is horrible. Capitalism in a nut shell.

He didn't sign a contract with the factory before submitting his designs?

@@mrssousou7785 Nice try, CCP slow bot. The topic is China's incapacity to invent or innovate. Concentrate.

@@mrssousou7785 You're a nut... how is theft related to Capitalism?

yeah no

DieWan country my ass😂😂😂

Right on, Charles!

It is indeed! I used to live there

Unfortunately China is going to try very hard to take over and I fear they will succeed.

Shut up Angloid.

neat

Factsss man. I bought one of them 5 dollar iPhone off wish and it was only a cardboard printout. I bet all the skyscrapers in China is made of cardboards man. Not to mention, They launched like a space station even though we all done space don’t exist.😂

That's funny, at the company I work for every now and then we outsource some milling and lathing for small badges to China... We've never had tolerance issues, they have been super consistent. When you are willing to pay for high quality prices, you get high quality parts. If you're trying to cheap out and pay them little, you're going to get a crappy piece.

The thing I noticed was that they didn't care about long term relationships. They would make a sale and cut corners knowing my hardware was going to fail to make a quick buck, not caring about the opportunity to make future sales.