winning an argument with a genius is difficult. winning an argument with an idiot is impossible EDIT: i may or may not have triggered a few Flat-Earthers with this comment
tell me about it, here you go i'm no genius or idiot. I am a respectful person who follows the evidence no matter if it makes the masses mad or not. We have been raised to shun the one who believes something different than what big brother has drilled into our heads,our parents heads and grand parents. I'm going against 3 or more generations of indoctrination S.442 - National Aeronautics and Space Administration Transition Authorization Act of 2017 You arent free.
@@chistopherr7536 Who is "WE" as in we've known No the ones in charge told you without showing you. READ SECTION 301 IF YOU DONT WANT TO READ IT ALL PUBLIC LAW 111-267-OCT. 11, 2010 124 STAT. 2805 Public Law 111-267 111th Congress An Act To authorize the programs of the National Aeronautics and Space Administration for fiscal years 2011 through 2013, and for other purposes. Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, SEC. 1. SHORT TITLE; TABLE OF CONTENTS. (a) SHORT TITLE.-This Act may be cited as the ‘‘National Aeronautics and Space Administration Authorization Act of 2010’’. (b) TABLE OF CONTENTS.-The table of contents for this Act is as follows: Sec. 1. Short title; table of contents. Sec. 2. Findings. Sec. 3. Definitions. TITLE I-AUTHORIZATION OF APPROPRIATIONS Sec. 101. Fiscal year 2011. Sec. 102. Fiscal year 2012. Sec. 103. Fiscal year 2013. TITLE II-POLICY, GOALS, AND OBJECTIVES FOR HUMAN SPACE FLIGHT AND EXPLORATION Sec. 201. United States human space flight policy. Sec. 202. Goals and objectives. Sec. 203. Assurance of core capabilities. Sec. 204. Independent study on human exploration of space. TITLE III-EXPANSION OF HUMAN SPACE FLIGHT BEYOND THE INTERNATIONAL SPACE STATION AND LOW-EARTH ORBIT Sec. 301. Human space flight beyond low-Earth orbit. Sec. 302. Space Launch System as follow-on launch vehicle to the Space Shuttle. Sec. 303. Multi-purpose crew vehicle. Sec. 304. Utilization of existing workforce and assets in development of Space Launch System and multi-purpose crew vehicle. Sec. 305. NASA launch support and infrastructure modernization program. Sec. 306. Report on effects of transition to Space Launch System on the solid and liquid rocket motor industrial bases. Sec. 307. Sense of Congress on other technology and robotic elements in human space flight and exploration. Sec. 308. Development of technologies and in-space capabilities for beyond nearEarth space missions. Sec. 309. Report requirement. TITLE IV-DEVELOPMENT AND USE OF COMMERCIAL CREW AND CARGO TRANSPORTATION CAPABILITIES Sec. 401. Commercial Cargo Development program. Sec. 402. Commercial Crew Development program. Sec. 403. Requirements applicable to development of commercial crew transportation capabilities and services. Sec. 404. Report on International Space Station cargo return capability.
That describes a lot of the exchanges, yes. But it is still disappointing how few of the "normal people" *can* get the proof right when they prove the globe Earth. I find it interesting, for example, how many people refer to sunrises and sunsets as proof, without realizing what this 'proof' assumes. There is a reason, after all, that Ptolemy did not include sunrises and sunsets in his list of globe Earth proofs known to the Ancient Greeks.
@@SpectatorAlius you can say the same for flat earthers like M Benz saying he RU-vidd, Googled, and went to a Library and couldn't find any proof that rain could be so lite weight it floats in the sky all because he desperately wants to prove that clouds aren't made of water and in order for that to be true then steam from boiling kettles / jugs can't exist, steam from a hot shower can't exist, the water level in my tropical aquariums can't be dropping but it does, humidity itself can't exist, my jacket getting wet on a foggy day when it isn't raining can't exist, yet it all exists. If tiny microscopic water droplets cannot float in the air then how can a kite float in the air, how can a "Plane" fly in the air?!
@@Skelath M Benz is pretty incredible, alright. But his subs are dropping too. His confusion about rain is an example of a common failure to understand: gravity is not the force itself, the force is given by the Universal Law of Gravitation. And that shows that water droplets 'feel' only a very small force from gravity, so their motion is easily dominated by air currents, even by Brownian motion. But even that is not the worst of it: most of these people have no idea what a 'force' is! If you try to explain it via Newton's Laws or as a vector, they have no idea what you are talking about, their eyes glaze over and they go back to nonsense.
@@SpectatorAlius Eclipses are a major example for disproving the Flat Earth Nonsense. I actually saw it in person for the first time back in Aug of 2017
@@rickitysplitz7035 Was that a lunar or solar eclipse? I find that Flat Earthers can't follow the logic behind how solar eclipses imply spherical Earth, but they have a harder time evading the truth that a lunar eclipse proves the Earth is spherical, especially if I remind them that the shadow is always round no matter what time of day or year the eclipse takes place.
You were told not to believe what your sensory organs experience but the opposite. Simply put, you don't trust yourself, trust authorities, they know what's real.
ImpHax0r cute almost didn’t catch that stroke of genius really I’m proud in fact I’m thinking about righting a poem no a book no a movie about this momentous occasion you sir have left your mark on society I’m joking Incase that wasn’t clear
@@freakydancer6968 okay if you're a flat farther you need to STFU, I've seen your stupid quips on 3 of the four comments that were funny. You're just butt hurt that most of society views your group of people as morons for obvious reasons. If you aren't a flat farter then continue with your day.
Friendly reminder that all my info comes from science and that flat earthers info comes from a guy on RU-vid called "Phil" who has 7 teeth (but doesn't always keep them with him).
@@hellofromdavid intelligent, honest people try to fix their delusions and deal with reality. Flatheads not only embrace delusion but try to push it on everyone else. The last bit is why they get mocked mercilessly and deserve it!
@@hellofromdavid dude, that is so off topic. I hate to disillusion you but the majority of remainers are far more intelligent and decidedly less gullible than the majority of brexiters. Easily verifiable. In fact, to continue off topic, I'd say your average flat earther is probably more intelligent than your average brexiter. At least they can make a youtube video, and most of them probably don't believe that the earth is flat anyway, they just pretend that the earth is flat because it makes them feel special.
@@hellofromdavid I'm saying this more for any FE person who might read, rather than you: yes we all have faulty reasoning, we should all listen to all different kinds of sources, but since we're not in the middle ages any more, we have a set of techniques for working out what is true and what isn't. We have ways of cutting through any possible delusion or self delusion: Scientific method, skepticism, critical thinking. Start learning them today folks, and never get scammed by crazy cult leaders again!
I'm an amateur astronomer, and do a lot of public outreach events. When in more populated areas where we host events, it's not uncommon for some flat Earthers or planet deniers to wander up and start arguing with us. Sometimes they can even be aggressive, accusing us of spreading propaganda or insisting we tell them who we work for. My best story is one guy who was asking me how I can believe in planets other than earth. He said any pictures other than the doctored Nasa ones of planets just show an indistinguishable blob. I pointed my telescope at Jupiter and told him he could have a look. Seeing was pretty good and we could see 7 bands and the red spot. If you look long enough you could even see the rotation of the planet since Jupiter as a super fast rotation. The guy refused to look, just flat out refused. I told him he could see with his own eyes and draw his own conclusions instead of just repeating whatever he read online. He wouldn't look and became agitated. He eventually left, but I could believe that he wouldn't at least look. He was 100% unwilling to have a discussion or even use his own eyes to verify or disprove his opinion.
Just say u work for Marvin the Martian and ur scoping out Earth to find candidates to become the Martian president. The qualifications r: must be a flat earther and cannot use youtube. Lol
If you gave a flat earther a balloon and a high tech camera, they would decide that once you reach a certain altitude everything you see is a NASA hologram or that they have a radio field up there that “hacks” the camera footage
Didn't you know that all camera manufacturers have to build an altitude measuring device into their camera's along with a radio transmitter and receiver. When the camera reaches a certain altitude, the camera will switch over, and send all camera feeds to a satellite, where an operator will make sure that the feed is doctored to make it look like the earth is round (Which we know it is not), and then send the feed back to the camera, that then records or relays the video feed back to the operator, totally fooling him into seeing a round earth.
Yes. It’s useless. Everything would be useless. Even if they were sent on a rocket to see it for themselves, they would STILL say that they were put in a scenario, or have been drugged, or it’s a simulation, blah blah blah blah.
@@k03rg5 well, it would seem to me, that i am here to point out the reality, that you seem to be ignoring. you seem to live in a fantasy, and i am here to WAKE YALL FUCKERS UP FROM DREAM LAND.....WHY WERE U BORN? OR WERE YOU?
If the earth is flat, the atmosphere should be called atmoflat. This is a joke btw. Some people didn't understand it lol. Edit (January 2023): I'm actually disappointed that people really believe this nonsense. We live in the best time of the entire human history, yet people are turning into NPC's. People can't even THINK properly. When you go outside, you see people glued to their screens, you see people changing their "gender" every other day (gender=sex), you see people trying to "normalize" things that shouldn't even be legal! PEOPLE CAN'T EVEN READ THE CLOCK AND YET THEY'RE ALLOWED TO INFLUENCE HOW THE WORLD WORKS! JUST GO OUTSIDE IN THE WILDERNESS, SEE THE REAL WORLD! I apologize for this rant, I just couldn't take it anymore. Have a peaceful day! :)
@@awesomegaming1991 i dont just think the earth is flat in fact i know the earrh is flat. There is a dome over our heads thats why the word atmosphere.
I'm pretty sure, 99% of Flat earthers are simply trolling the rest of us for their own amusement, and only about 1% are the real "special" cases, that require some kind of medical treatment.
there are people who grew up being thought by their parents that the earth is flat, and find it hard to belive otherwise having thought that as a fact their whole lifes
If you could reason with flat-earthers, there wouldn't be any flat-earthers. Even if they personally experience the evidence, they will still reject it. I had a flerf tell me that the sun didn't set everyday, rather it shrank off into the distance. Even were he to watch it set, he would still say that it shrank off into the distance.
If you are too special to accept the fact of a spherical earth, then you are too special to be allowed to run around freely, unsupervised. And you are definitely too special to be allowed to do any sort of important job where brainpower is required.
I agree: anyone choosing to believe that all of the scientific advancement of the last millennium is all some kind of conspiracy to make people not think the earth is flat for... some... crazy... reason... is a very bad precedent indeed. And that is why such insane people really cannot be allowed to run around freely. They will hurt themselves, or others. @@gytux0258
@@patrickmorand5189 While clearly her original comment is a dumb exaggeration, implying that thinking the earth is flat is a natural consequence of "asking questions" or "thinking too much" is absurd... Believing the earth is flat is the consequence of willful ignorance and being under educated in general. You arent "woke" for being an ignorant, reality denying conspiracy theorist. Youre just an idiot...
Psalm 104:5 “He set the earth on its foundations; it can never be moved.” JESUS is the way the truth and the life. Do not listen to the people of the earth and THEIR understanding/perspectives of it. Listen to the Creator and HIS words ....the ONE who made it. munkeemojo
@@Soulsuitcase ur proof besides jesus and bible because that isnt evidence as i could say the Quran existing and in the Quran it says the Quran is real
The biggest problem for Flat Earthers is understanding math and geometry. Their second problem is understanding Physics. Their third problem is understanding how to apply science and scientific method (how things are proven and disproven). There is no single Flat Earth model that can explain everything we observe on a daily basis. They cannot come to a single number for the distance between the Earth and the Sun. They cannot explain why the Sun moves at constant angle every hour and doesn't change its observable size. They cannot explain how the Sun goes behind the horizon. You know, basic stuff involving perspective and math.
I would also add a 0th problem, that they think their senses are reliable. They 'trust what they see' with their own eyes. They think they can feel velocity. They think they can tell if an image is faked just by looking at it.
@@JeffreyBoser So very true. Their belief in what they see is the very thing that magicians manipulate and exploit to ply their trade. Don't try this argument with flat earthers. They'll just tell you that magic is real.
Explain globe earth. From the start. How do you arrive at the speed of the milky way? How fast we are allegedly orbiting? What is the first step in getting these #'s? Not somebody 2000 years ago told us.
Consequentially, given then that the remaining 8 out of every five globe earthers have trouble with the rudiments of music and its usage of elementary math, you mean to say that the major third of the populace believes the earth is flat. Very cool. I'll endorse your statement then. F.
@@pneumatonic Be that as it may, I'm an exception to that. I'm working on pieces in 5 against 7 polyrhythmically and 17 against 23 polymetrically at the same time. It's going well.
@@therealzilch my friend, if you make it 17 to 24 or 12 to 17 then with your 5 to 7 you will then play with the tritone, in terms of harmonics. My preference is for the 3 s in terms of timing and mostly compose in 6/8 yet the last song came out in 5/4.
@@pneumatonic I said nothing about tuning, my friend. My lyre is usually tuned (with 8 being 1 or first harmonic) 8 9 10 11 12 14 15, in other words 11- limit just. If the 11th harmonic is too funky for the piece, I substitute 11.25 (45/32). 11/8 and 45/32 are both just "tritones".
As sun said, bias in viewer demographics. Almost didn't watch the video myself, because I know that by doing so I'll be flooded by other videos that try to educate FE, wich is a bother since in the end I don't care about flat earthers. Alas I succumbed to curiosity, and now I'll have to say I'm not interested by a dozen other videos. Honestly, flat earthers will always believe their theory no matter what science you use, for they either don't "believe" in science (for those who think it's a belief) or have no idea how it actually works. Also conspiracy, brainwashing, sheeps and all that jazz thrown in left and right. Do yourself a favor, and don't waste your time on these people. They're not worth it.
For people who live in islands is not an issue, if I go to the east coast of Puerto Rico, and try to see anything, I can't, not even the Dominican Republic or the few islands in between. Well not completely true, I could only see the tip of a small montanuous island, because of the curvature. If you go to the edge of one of the great lakes and try to see the other, it's not possible, a simple way of proving it. But if you don't want to believe, there's nothing to do but live with these new form of entertainment. By the way, I'm a land surveyor, so I'm part of the conspiracy. Sorry!
Land surveyor ?? Surely ALL of your measurements are taken using "planar" tools? Where is the curvature of 8 inches per mile squared? It doesn't exist man.
Um, you're not going to see the Dominican Republic from the east coast of Puerto Rico, the entire island of Puerto Rico is in the way. The DR is west of Puerto Rico.
@HeavyMetalRuinedMyLife1971 Geodetic surveying accounts for the curve. While I don't know what kind of surveyor Mr. Flores is, most surveying is done with the assumption that the Earth is planar, because the distortion induced by the curvature is minimal.
If earth was flat,life would be impossible,if the earth was flat it would always be day since the sun would always light the same place,the sun always lighting the same place = Humanity burnt to a crisp
I used to live in Hawaii, The Big Island, lived half way up the volcano, had about a 200 degree view of the ocean from my front balcony, saw the Earth's glorious curvature every single day with my own naked eyeballs...
@@essene3695 people are really lost dont worry about that do yourself a favor today and dont spend any times replying to those people who litterally worship science and elon musk
@Neo's danger everything needs to be updated from time to time. Even the Bible does. After all, Bible was compiled by human beings based on the knowledge at that time.
@Neo's danger It doesn't justify slavery, it simply speaks of it as a societal norm, one of the inevitable evils at the time. Even then, what you're referring to isn't justification, it's how to properly treat them, right? That doesn't sound like giving excuses to me, it sounds like telling people to treat their slaves humanely.
I'll help foot the bill if they don't plan a return trip. Just leave them in low Earth orbit until the tanks run dry so they don't run the risk of relapse.
believing that earth is ROUND because you have only see Round on Nasa Videos is like believing in Magic is real because u saw someone perfom a magic trick.
@@xs1xs1 Not just NASA videos. 1. If you run around in a circle, you have to run faster in order to complete a bigger circle than a smaller circle in the same amount of time. According to the flat earth map in order for the northern hemisphere to be cold during winter the sun has to be farther away from the north pole during the winter time than in the summer time. So it goes around in a bigger circle when the north pole is going through winter but yet it completes a circle in the same amount of time. So what is speeding the sun up during the transition from summer to winter and what is slowing it down during the transition from winter to summer in the northern hemisphere? Can you explain? A round earth easily explains it because earth rotates at the same speed and the sun is stationary at the center of our solar system. 2. The Coriolis Effect can be observed in hurricanes and draining water. They rotate in counterclockwise in the northern hemisphere and clockwise in the southern hemisphere. This can be explained by a round earth because the part of the earth along the equator has the highest tangential speed as the earth rotates. If the earth is flat, hurricanes and draining water can only rotate in one direction everywhere on earth. 3. The sun never sets in Antarctica during the Antarctic summer. This directly contradicts the flat earth map. A round earth explains this because the south pole is tilted towards the sun during the Antarctic summer. 4. When it is day time in America, it is night time China. This can be explained by a round earth. If the earth is flat, it would be day time or night time everywhere on earth at the same time. 5. Star constellation in the night sky are different in the northern hemisphere than in the southern hemisphere. This also can be explained by a round earth. All these pieces of evidence together prove that the earth is round I have yet to see multiple pieces of evidence offered by flat earthers that point to a flat earth.
@@AdlinLing To add to this, theres even videoevidence of curvature taken by flat earhters themselves. Heres an example: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Pv4Hwk17F8Y.html
MarCuseusFX actually it shouldn't. Even if the earth was flat the atmosphere would obscure things. That's way you can see farther on the moon. There is no atmosphere.
@MarCuseusFX Flat or Round our Atmo"sphere" and eyes and perspective only let's us see so far.. Imagine stacking 1000 Glass Panels, individually they are transparent, together not so much.. Why am I a dumb Flat Earther , again having to explain this simple fact.
@@ichigokush4672 I don't wear glasses, stacked with 1000 glass panels..... which means I can see stuff far away like stars... that are hundreds of *lightyears* away. And I'm pretty damn sure that Mount Everest is *not* that far away. Any other nonsensical facts you want to bring up?
Yep...here lemme prove that very thing! Here...for the exceptionally thick...here is some real science, physics, and good old-fashioned logic!!! Stick this in your globe and smoke it! I will attach a picture even for more clarity. i.stack.imgur.com/ge9sN.png Now, these are the terms we will use (listed/outlined on the diagram) so as to completely comply with "known sciences of air flight" and the terminology actually used by pilots all over the earth, so you cannot say I am saying something/referencing something incorrectly. Now when you take off in an aircraft from the flat level ground, and you want to gain altitude after becoming airborne, you have absolutely no other option but to adjust the "pitch" of the craft so as to point the nose of the craft at an angle to whatever desired degree/angle/speed you wish until the craft reached whatever desired altitude ( altitude representing the distance measured from the craft to the flat, level, ground in whatever measured unit you use/speak in) to achieve this the result...physics MANDATES it. Now when you reach said altitude, you will have to readjust the pitch of the plane to bring the fuselage to a level orientation (would be measured at 0 degrees pitch or completely level in relation to the flat surface of the earth...following me? Don't say no or you have got to be extremely stupid...) Now once you are flying along at the desired altitude, and your craft has leveled off and is now maintaining altitude only..as in NOT climbing/gaining altitude, OR descending/losing altitude...you cannot maintain 0 degrees pitch in cruising altitude flight and stay at that same altitude continuously, and the altitude makes no difference whether 10,000 ft or 10 ft. So as the supposedly "known/measured/calculatable curvature" of a global earth model would MANDATE according to..."science"...the continually curving earth surface would soon start to descend/drop/curve downward before you and quite noticeably (as the curve calculates to something like 8" per mile of drop over distance in any direction on a ball/sphere earth) in your direction of flight no matter where on earth you flew. You would reach a point where you were slowly gaining altitude and thus "climbing out of the atmosphere and start proceeding into space" as a result of the ground "falling away" in a "curving downward angle" before your direction of flight. Physics mandates without argument that as that occurred you would be forced to adjust the pitch of the craft at a downward attitude (point the nose down or descend/lose altitude to maintain 10k ft or whatever altitude you flew) or you would WIND UP LEAVING THE EARTH AND ENTERING THE OUTER ATMOSPHERE SLOWLY ASCENDING CONTINUALLY UPWARD INTO SPACE. You absolutely cannot circumvent a sphere or globe of any size in any direction whatsoever in any type of aircraft without using a curved flight path in relation to maintaining a constant altitude over thousands of linear miles in distance as you traverse the surface of the GLOBE MODEL. Now, where is that wrong? How does that inarguable representation of physics in play make me the idiot and you smart? Now you look stupid believing in a globe when you really think about it don't you? Welcome to reality!!!!
People on the Hungarian Lake Balaton, tried to prove round or flat land with laser measurements. They failed to prove either that the earth is round or flat. They ran into a bunch of problems. The video is on RU-vid.
I've been to Lake Balaton (it's not far from where I live) and you don't need a laser to see the curvature- you can't see the shore down to the waterline from the other side.
@@therealzilch are you dense? They literally tested it with LASERS and weren't able to prove the curvature, are you denying it on purpose or the brainwashing is making you glitch?
@@ShieldStun Lasers are not any different than any other light source, as far as testing curvature goes: laser light is also bent by refraction, especially over water. The Earth has been known to be a globe for over two thousand years. One sunset proves it.
@@ShieldStun Your reading comprehension is not great, is it? I didn't say that lasers were the same as other light sources, I said they are not any different _as far as testing curvature goes._ And they're not: laser light goes in straight lines through homogeneous media and is refracted by inhomogeneous media (such as above water), just like all light. And I couldn't care less about my credibility with you. Anyone who thinks the Earth is or might be flat has no understanding of the real world. How many sundials have you built? Telescopes? How many grazing occultations have you timed? What's the declination of Polaris at your location? I didn't think so.
@@hundejahre That's WAY more believable than a conspiracy going back over 2,000 years involving BILLIONS of people. I'd sign up for it in a heart beat compared to FE.
Arnold Ziffel Explain why I can’t see the Rocky Mountains when I’m in Chicago. How do you explain the tides? Why do large pendulums swing in circles despite being pulled back straight? To see the curve, you have to be thousands of feet in the air. We’re simply too small to see it from the ground. And the Amazon River slope exists because it’s water racing down a mountain. Mountains are generally higher than sea level. Also why is it when I sail from Japan to Hawaii, I don’t encounter the supposed ice wall?
@Arnold Ziffel they use a level to mark gradient. Gravity will make the level be even all the way through the river. That's why you don't feel different in Chicago than in new york
If we live on a ball earth, then please provide actual footage of satellites in space and actual footage of planes and boats travelling upside down on the ball earth. I'll wait for your evidence.
I'm with you. Thanks to FE, I've become genuinely curious about mathematics, physics and astronomy. My mind has been in overdrive for over a year, just absorbing every tidbit of information possible.
1 to the 120th How far off does Michio Kaku say they are in cosmology? 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 How many grains of sand on the earth? 7.5 x 10 to the 18th
Wow this subject is still around? Every-one knows the planet is Hollow with the 5 alien races building up their military waiting to overthrow us people living topside.
I thought everybody knew that the Earth didn't exist because you can see every other planet through a telescope but you can't see the Earth through a telescope so that must mean it doesn't exist
I'm just blowed everyone's mind with pure truth and not even science can debunk because science doesn't exist and even though I had no photographic evidence to prove this the reason why I have no photographic evidence to prove this is because the Earth doesn't exist
lol:. You r/wooooshed on this vid huh? It’s already been millenia, you think 281 years is gonna make a difference? There’ll be flat mooners in 2300 maybe.
Some people feel an obligation to curb misinformation. Others find flat Earthers to be extremely frustrating to let exist. Still others just wanna have fun with the easy targets
Educating ignorant. And just FYI they vote... Flat earthers are on extreme, but they are from same spectrum as god believers, we have to educate both of those groups about reality and explain to them why their beliefs are irrational.
I imagine a lot of flat earthers go through a variation of this process: 1) A poor quality of education, either at school or home-schooled, fails to properly explain the mathematical and physics principles that govern processes like gravity and evolution 2) They are left dissatisfied with concepts that feel half-baked or don't make sense 3) This leaves them susceptible when they find communities online who feel the way they do and have constructed their own explanations for why it doesn't make sense (I.e. it's a conspiracy) 4) They start to get involved in a community that gives them validation and makes them feel smart and accepted 5) They become emotionally invested in this community, making it a part of their core identity. Much like religion, flat Earth becomes personal to them, and attacking that belief elicits the same response as attacking someone's religion 6) They become entrenched in an echo chamber and they will fight to defend their belief to the death. Any genuine attempt to seek "the truth" is now gone, now they seek only to defend their identity. Hence why no matter what experiments you conduct or proof you provide, it will be stubbornly waved of as fake
@HotSocKs 89 That's a lot of assumptions about my level of education and knowledge that you have just pulled out of thin air to support your point. You effectively just created a strawman to fit with your narrative. Moreover, it is not required to have a complete understanding of all maths and physics to realise that a globe Earth makes more sense than a flat one, or at the very least to understand why the flat Earth model makes no sense. For example, some flat Earth models suggest that "gravity" is actually the Earth accelerating upwards at a constant rate; a basic middle-school level of education will explain why that would be impossible. If nothing else, then a simple understanding of how the scientific community operates will tell you that every theory proposed must undergo a hugely rigorous process before it becomes officially accepted by the community. You learn the scientific method at school and how to observe, measure and draw conclusions, but every flat Earth or creationist "proof" I've seen fails to grasp this properly and are usually fundamentally flawed in some way. Hence, I am able to come to the conclusion that it is vastly more likely that the Earth is indeed a globe, and not a disc. Note I say "likely", not "definite", because you're right: I am not an expert on everything and there are lots of things I don't fully understand.
@HotSocKs 89 I don't know where the fulcrum would be, the dynamics of rockets in a vacuum is, surprisingly, something I don't encounter in my day to day life. I already explained that a complete knowledge of everything isn't required to understand why globe earth makes more sense than a flat one. This is a common debate tactic among flat earthers and conspiracy theorists: ask highly specific questions until the other person doesn't know, then claim victory as if that somehow proves their claim. My lack of knowledge about rockets in space does not counter-balance the massive flaws in flat Earth theory that I *can* identify.
@@danielhobgen6146 meh, technically, wouldnt that be the same thing flat earthers experience when they try to make their case? if so, thats a double edged sword.
All that is needed to calculate a triangle is either two sides and one angle, or two angles and one side. We know two angles and one side, therefore we can verify if the flat or round model is correct especially since we can use multiple locations. What’s most ironic is flat earthers using either the validity or invalidity of either example to justify the earth is flat. Can’t have it both ways. On an equinox, at Solar noon, on the equator, the sun is directly above (90 degrees elevation). At any latitude, the elevation to the sun is 90 minus the latitude. Try a simple test on the equinoxes. The angle between vertical down to the sun at solar noon is equal to your latitude. That’s valid at all latitudes. Only on a spherical earth is that possible. For example, at 30 degrees latitude, the angle from the horizon to the sun on an equinox is 60 degrees. At 45 degrees latitude, the angle from horizon to sun is 45 degrees. However, comparing the two triangle yields different distances to the sun. Therefore the flat earth model is invalid.
@@AWriterWandering Not necessarily ... one of my cats used to love going outside in the pissing rain and sit in the middle of the yard. He even used to get into the shower with me.
They're trolls. For every "believer" there's a hundred "Fakers". The first modern Flat Earth movement started in England as a way of ridiculing people who treated science as a religion , they would claim the Earth was flat and privately laugh at the people who denounced the "blasphemy" they had committed. The founder of that movement (Which lasted from 1956 until 1971 ) Samuel Shenton, left all of his writings about the Earth being flat to a science fiction museum after he died. That's called "letting the cat out of the bag". The second Flat Earth movement started in America led by Charles K. Johnson,( 1960's-1990's) who personally knew and copied Shenton. He would routinely make outlandish claims just to watch professors waste enormous amounts of time and effort to debunk his "research" while rational people would wonder why they even cared what Charles K. Johnson was saying. People actually submitted papers to peer reviewed science journals trying to debunk , once and for all , Charles K.Johnson's claims.Think about that for a second. Johnson actually got people to invest thousands of hours of time into crafting scientific research papers to prove the world was round AFTER WE LANDED PEOPLE ON THE MOON. I chuckle every time I think about it. . In one incident , Buzz Aldrin once bragged to a reporter that he had a wicked sense of humor so Johnson sent him a membership application with the words "OK Wise Guy" written on the back. Johnson shut down the organization shortly after his wife died of cancer. The current flat Earth movement is an internet based organization dedicated to trolling people. Yes there are a few believers ( usually people with psychiatric issues ) but the people running the movement are just yanking your chain.
flat earthers existed way back to beginning of mankind,. you globe earthers only exist for 500 years. globe earth is only based on lies. you guys can not ever prove the globe.
Glenn Chartrand I agree that this probably started as a joke, but I think you're underestimating the number of people with said psychiatric issues and the power of the internet to bring them together and reinforce their delusions. Thanks for the history lesson though, it's amazing the things I learn about while parsing this silly "debate".
John ama a Jesucristo ... Globe earth was settled some 2500 years ago. What was in doubt until more recently was whether the Sun or the Earth was at the centre of the solar system. It's the Sun. Kepler's three laws of laws describe the various motions.
sadly, more like a hundred believers for every faker these days. You need evidence that people are more gullible than ever thanks to the net? Read the news.
plus, as scientific knowledge grows, the implications of this knowledge become ever more starkly obvious and very very frightening to a lot of people. Science appears to show that there is no place for a sky-father, our planet is insignificant, we evolved by accident, and even our consciousness may be replicable by a machine soon, and our soul and sense if self an illusion. You may be comfortable with those ideas. I learnt to cope with them in recent years. Many people either avoid thinking about such things or just freak the hell out and grasp onto anything that denies those things, such as flat earth. 'Future shock' is a very real phenomenon I think.
My cat pushed me off the edge of flat Earth but a UFO caught me & brought me safely back. They said they came in peace. Whew ! that was a close one ! Has anybody seen my tinfoil hat ? I can't find it.
Omg the same thing happend to me but my cat didn't push me of while exploring the ice walls it was an armed penguin with laser eyes send from the NASA.
Well, I study Aerospace and in every lecture they tell us, that we have to keep everything we learn here a secret. Since the earth is indeed flat. It's ridiculous that people actually believe it is round. Note: I'm kidding of course (except for me studying Aerospace. That's true actually)😂
Hope l'm not on any of your flights: you're a danger to other human beings when you dip 8 inches every mile to allow for curvature, you'll end up in the ocean dear fellow.
And I majored in general physics... I'll never forget when my physics professor sat us all down and told us that all of physics was a lie and that we just have to pretend that it's real so people don't find out the world is flat... 😂😂😂😂😂
Dude, here in Brasil, we talk: " Arguing against a flatearth it's become a play chess with a pigeon, she poop in all table and gonna go fly, feeling victorious". Sorry for my english, i know, i need more pratic.
Flat-Earther: "Well, why don't you prove to me that it's flat?" Normal Person: _Pulls out all the stops and wastes their time to provide credible proof._ Flat-Earther: *"iT's jUsT cGi, tHaT's NoT rEaL."* It scares me that these people are allowed to vote.
@Donnie hopefully you are just trolling but you cant prove a negative which is why burdon of proof lies with the person making the statement. you say NASA lies about everything? then you need to prove that they lie about EVERYTHING. so you know.. good luck & have fun.
Bruh what happens if someone proves that the earth is flat by doing his own research? any evidence by that someone will still be neglected. You'll just make excuses to debunked that someones evidence.
Putting people down for understanding that the box set in front of them may not be the only box that exists and having a different opinion about something or a different perspective is certainly not helping anybody or doing any good.
@@jenniferutley2188 lack of knowledge is fine, but ignorance is the real issue. Why insist on believing something when it is clearly proven to be wrong? This isn't thinking out of the box, it is stubbornness in holding on to bygone and false dogmas
3 months ago I achieved the impossible and convinced a flat earther that the Earth is indeed, not flat. It took 3 days, 7 hours, 25 minutes, and 37 seconds. I may have lost 50% of my brain cells in the process, but at least I know that it ain't impossible. My secret? Be even more stubborn than them.
The one reason I hate most from flat earthers is when the say “why can’t you see a curve on the horizon?” I mean they must think the Earth is the size of Pluto or something Edit:Lol Wow So Many Likes
Part of that is due to ridiculous pictures of "man standing on earth" like ... well, like the pictures you get from googling just that in a picture search. The human being is RIDICULOUSLY oversized. If that was to scale, the human figure would not even appear in the picture, being smaller than a pixel. Yes, even in 8k. The fact is that if the earth was a basketball, humans would be the size of bacteria. And the lumps on the basketball would be taller than Mt. Everest.
You CAN see the curvature of the earth at the horizon is you are looking out over an extremely large body of water. It's slight, but definitely discernible.
I think he avoids the most common reason for flat Earth beliefs: fundamentalist religion. In the US that is typically people who believe the Bible is always to be taken literally and is inerrant.
The bible does not support the idea of a flat earth, neither does it support the idea of a crystal dome. So there is no inerracy. Please be fare, and don't fall into the same trap of the flat earther who makes up stuff.
@Mighty Tone Endearment. Say it like this. Aww, those silly flerfers proved curvature with one of their own experiments again. I don't do it myself, but I get where it's coming from. Also, sometimes shortened to flerfs.
There was once a popular youtuber named TigerDan (with a bunch of numbers) who was a die-hard flat earther. He attempted to make a precise flat earth map because he was nit satisfied with what was on the internet/youtube. See his channel. He made a series documenting his attempt. By the sixth video he encountered a problem with the position of australia based on travel time. He concluded there were 2 possibilities: 1) there were 2 islands of australia 2) the earth was a sphere. Flat earthers condemned tigerdan.
One of the biggest ironies of modern-day flat earthers is that they use technology (smartphones, the internet, WiFi, GPS, RU-vid) that our understanding of physics has afforded us, while simultaneously attempting to discredit it. Therefore, I think it’s only fair that flat earthers be relegated to spreading their scientific illiteracy via homing pigeons, smoke signals, or two cans and a string.
The satellites that make much of this Information Superhighway possible and allows the GPS receivers in their cars to work, could not in any way, shape or form, orbit a flat earth!
maverickdallas100 - Precisely. The four fundamental forces (interactions) of nature are irreconcilable with a flat, stationary earth. It is quite literally _physically impossible_ for the earth to be flat. But I digress. Nobody ever accused flat earthers of wielding a robust knowledge of physics.
This only goes to confirm what many have already said: evolution of man is at a standstill. If people can survive to procreate even thought they are so bored and stupid as to fall for flat earth, truly there is no hope for man kind.
Oh I agree. I'm very concerned that because we've built computers to be too easy and too ubiquitous, they have given the proverbial "village idiot" a powerful soap box from which to gather and unite with other village idiots all around the globe. I am convinced this will have serious repercussions.
Genuine questions for flat earthers: 1. Why are there different sets of stars in the sky for people in New York vs Australia? 2. Why does the sun stay relatively the same size and set below the horizon rather than receding away from the viewer? 3. Why can you not come up with a working model? 4. Say anything whatsoever about lunar eclipses other than "moon fake tho" 5. Explain how you can do simple experiments and math to determine that the sun and moon are not the same distance away from the Earth
Fact. Which you can test your self. Not rely on other people See for your self unless you to lazy Moonlight makes surfaces cold ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-d2OlIOy-bHA.html
@@JudaismIslamUnited Seeing for myself is how I know the Earth is a globe. You could see for yourself too. Build an equatorial sundial (it's easy, instructions online) and you can answer question number two here for yourself.
@@JudaismIslamUnited "Cold moonlight" is the result of bad experimental design, as several people pointed out in the comments on your link. Why don't you answer the questions here?
Trolls will breed uncontrollably if we don't confront them, do you ignore an illness using this same logic? Of course not, ignoring a problem won't make it go away.
Ignoring someone because they disagree with you is stupid when the subject of discussion is literal reality. Only someone used to being useless and talking about useless things like their hobbies actually think that discussion isn't supposed to be productive or for a purpose. And yes, someone being an idiot and refusing to accept reality is still one of those times when you're supposed to be useful.
I think in some of their models the ice just goes on forever and there isn't an edge of the world. So a plane would just fly over glaciers until it runs out of fuel.
@@ST-oh4vr Of course it's dumb. My point is, if it exists, why has the ice wall never stopped anyone from flying (or climbing) over it? It's about as stupid as Trump's wall: neither will prevent people form going over it.
@@HeWentThattaway Yeah I don't believe in flat earth. I study alternate theories of the Earth and Universe because I'm planning out a Fantasy novel. I like Hollow Earth theory better but so many other people have already done that
@Hell N Degenerates They are not nor was implying they were. However, science is the pursuit of knowledge about the natural world through systematic observation and experiments. Through science, we develop new technologies. That technology can then be used to advance our scientific knowledge as well. Scientists use technology in all their experiments. Thus, science and technology are interconnected. So, if someone doesn't like science, they shouldn't be allowed technology because...THEY ARE INTERCONNECTED. Can't believe I had to explain that.
@James Hogan i mean no disrespect to your religion and am a catholic myself (though i hew more to teilhard de chardin's version of the cosmos). All i ask is you - or a flat earth mathematician - can furnish mathematical proof of your assertions, because there are thousands of math equations to prove the round earth theory. otherwise everything you said just falls under the limited flat earth equations of: flat earth because my eyes, i can't and won't explain because God, and round earth because billionaire illuminati.
We're wasting our time giving these people a voice. Stop talking about them until they go away. These people have only resurfaced in the past few short years because people have been giving them attention, so stop giving it to them!
@@tedklampett1737 The Earth's internal structure is pretty well-known thanks to seismology, but the criticism is that Flat Earth has to have something completely different and none of you know what it would be.
@@tedklampett1737 Seismology is the study of earthquakes, mate. What causes them, what effect they have, how the seismic waves they generate travel through the planet. That sort of thing.
They believe because their lives are sad and meaningless. This gives them purpose. They think they found out some giant hidden secret, so now they are special. It's very sad, but we also get a good laugh too.
@@3ron I agree, they are source of laughter, but also a source of frustration. they tend to bend our minds in a psychedelic manners... because, no matter how hard I try, I can't imagine someone so stupid and idiotic can exist as a human being. and I'm really, really trying.
S.442 - National Aeronautics and Space Administration Transition Authorization Act of 2017 You arent free............And you have to actually do some research and not the 1st page of anything.
@Bob Tatlock there is no proof to cure stupidity either, so in this case we are really sorry for your stupidness because it can't be cured forever..
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I always thought the "flatearth theory in 2018" was just a joke. does this ppl actually exist? are flatearthers the dumbasses or the people that take the joke serious the dumb ones?
@@therealzilch I know ...after researching for information on my own instead of being given what I'm told and accepting it I've come to find out a lot almost everything we've been taught is wrong ...pretty sad
Flatearth map reward now at $20,655,239. All flatearthers use the exact same map of Earth for directions so, I just want to know.... WHAT'S THE FREEKEN HOLD UP DUDES?! Seriously, what's the delay?
would be a waste of perfectly good bullets we could use to hunt down the creationists. The French or the German solutions are the best flatearthers: Guillotine or gas-chamber. the age of reason is upon is people! You can embrace it, you can ignore it. but you will NOT oppose it!
Rejecting evidence may keep you from admitting you have lost the argument but it doesn't get you anywhere. Proving the argument is wrong gets you a Nobel Prize. Hell, they gave the Peace Prize to Arafat and Obama. That's not such a hurdle is it?
You have to understand. Most people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inured and so hopelessly dependent on the system that they will fight to protect it.'
@Mordechai Greenspan "incest is stupid. despite what youve been programmed to believe." So you agree the Book of Genesis is all lies then. Correct? As is the entire bible. Yes? Which means the entire FE cult is based on lies. Great. You're getting close to the truth. When trying to be all superior about Einstein you should first learn how to spell and also research your claims, that way you won't come across as a gullible, ignorant fuckwit.
there is no evidence for gravity - why? It dont exist, why? cause the earth isnt moving (and please dont say jump off a building, that would prove you know nothing about anything except what your mind was programmed to think)
A flat earther actually did an experiment on a lake at night with a laser. He buddy at the other end of the lake had to raise his board up several feet to make the light hit it. And they still didn't believe the results. Bob got a laser gyroscope and proved the Earths 15 per mile an hour drift, then tried all kinds of ways to debunk his own results. But failed miserably.
@@costrio Yeah! Bob was actually caught on camera in a dark corner at a Flat Earth Conference talking to another scammer saying. " if this gets out we are done for" The use the uneducated and conspiracy types to find them and scam them out of their money, so they don't have to get a real job. They know the Earth is a globe 🌎. They are just snake oil salesman and con artists.
@@f.b.i6889 Both are grammatically correct, but in separate contexts. "As a child," would only be grammatically correct if "they" was referring to a singular person (they is more preferable/humane than calling someone an it). "They" plural requires that any equivalency matches its number (in this case, plurality). "They were dropped as a child," would mean there is only one flat earther of undisclosed gender that was dropped as a child. "They were dropped as children," would say what I believe OP meant, saying all flat earthers were dropped when they were children. Unless the original comment was a non-sequitur to the video, "as children," is the grammatically correct way of getting across the idea of all flat earthers being dropped on their head when they were young.
Thumbnail: "WHY FLAT EARTHERS ARE WRONG" Video: [ _Missed opportunity to just put "because the earth is round" followed by double digit minutes of a silent black screen_ ]
I mean I know it's a joke but if anyone was actually that stupid you could just look up in certain parts of the world and see like China hanging upside down above you
Because believing the earth to be flat makes these people feel special and intelligent about themselves. Usually it's people who have low self esteem, not critical (but they think the opposite) and need something to believe in to make them feel special. it's part of their personality hence why it's so hard to convince them otherwise, it means taking away part of their person. That's why they staunchly deny everything to even to most logically assumed things, their own ego wouldn't allow that.
@@davidsullivan3906 To many experiments show that we live on a flat earth. Whenever we show this all globe believers do is get angry and mock and call names. They don't even do their own reasearch.
@@davidsullivan3906 Like many other Flatearthers , I tried to debunk this over and over many times. I kept seeing that everything that so called science claimed was false concerning this. NASA has had a history of lying and being decietful for their entire history. Scientists claim that you can see earths curvature at 38,000 ft. but when you go up 121,000 ft. there is 0 curvature. Scientists also claim that there is 8 inches of curvature every squared mile but there are multitudes of places that can easily be seen when they should be hundreds of feet below the curvature. Standing on the beach and watch a ship sail out of sight supposedly going over the curvature and grabbing your P1000 camera out and pull that ship back into view. These are just a small few of things that show how we have been lied to all these yrs.
