Yes and let me tell you, being on keto for 3 years, keeping off 20 pounds for that long, and being told by my doctor that my fasting glucose is too high (101) and I should consider lowering my carb and processed food intake. I don't know how to reduce it from less than almost nothing. It makes me want to punch a doctor in the face.
Ok this made Me laugh. I hate the confusion for You but your comment was just so honest! Reflects the anger and confusion we feel from mainstream Medicine docs. Dr. berg says keep going and don’t stop. It will get better and check out his Channel to ensure u get the right supplements
@@RandomJane104 I just saw your comment sorry. So how is it going ? Meanwhile My BG was great then suddenly has been high the last few days. I’ll take my own advice and just keep going. Hope You are ok :)
I want to thank you for not acting like a couple of idiots as many do on these keto channels. On my recent blood test (while I was fasting) my blood glucose came back at 103 and my doctor was concerned. I can see I have nothing to worry about.
well surprise they are two idiots .. and you should be concerned with your blood glucose. if your body is so adapted to running on ketones, then why in the hell would it produce glucose if it doesn't consume it?????? and the reason is you are NOT fully keto adapted and your body is under stress . btw those two guru idiots stopped making videos
When I started Ketovore in earnest 6 weeks ago my BG reading leveled off into the high 70s. But then I noticed more dawn effect if I eat more than one meal per day. Reduced my fat and protein intake. Eliminated coffee and drinking nettle plus chamomile tea before bed and nettle only in the morning. Within three days my average BG is down in the low 80s!
We are eating OMAD, but having our meal around noon-2 pm. That has helped my morning numbers - I’m assuming it’s because my system has longer to digest. My mother always says to stop eating before 7 pm (for a normal schedule). She has never had any issues with her health. Thank you for this discussion! It’s been nagging me for a while.
Now that this video has been out for more than a year, there has been time for plenty of comments to be made. And many of these comments are saying the same thing: Being low carb at first is great for blood sugar, but then the blood sugar starts to go back up. And stays up. This has been my experience as well as many others. I am now so invested in keto and carnivore that it is challenging to learn my way out of it. 4 years ago when I got started on the low carb, my blood sugar was usually right around 95 or lower. And I could feel it! My eyesight was SO CLEAR. I was reaping the benefits!! But all of that has changed and no matter what I do, my blood sugar will be 115 at its lowest. I have been seriously considering chunking this "diet" and adopting a low fat moderate carb moderate protein diet.
@@DigzGuy 6 days a week. 2 days lifting, 2 days low intensity cardio and 2 days HIIT on an Airdyne. I'm down 40 pounds since January 2020 and all my labs are great except that fasting blood sugar. Dr Ken Berry and Dr Westerman just did videos about it and said people like me are just fine. It would be bad if I were eating carbs but I've been very low carb since Jan 20 and carnivore since January 3rd 2022. I quit checking it.
The effects of stress on glucose levels was helpful to know. My sleep has been bloody awful for a long time now for various external reasons which are not yet under control. So it was helpful to know thecontribution the alck of sleep mihght be makig to my elevated morning levels.
Thanks for you inputs. My thoughts on this are from my own personal experience as well as others I watch online. As far as Protein causing possible glucose spikes it seems there are too many Carnivores now who do not see Protein as an issue so that kinda casts doubt on just how excess/too much Protein might be an issue. And I might add the concept that Gluconeogenisis is a demand driven process thus only takes place when the body "needs" added glucose. Of course when that might be comes in to question. I am a recovering T2D(IF) using mostly carnivore myself. Wearing a CGM has illustrated some interesting things for me. One of which is I can see my fasting glucose numbers slowly rise over days and it typically takes an extended fast(48-60 hrs) to lower those numbers back down to where I am comfortable again. Even lower dawn effect numbers. It has been suggested to me to try carb cycling but so far the jury is still out as if that if helping me out or not. For example when I feel my numbers are good I usually dip down into the 50's and 60's(blood glucose) at night during sleep. When I wake I might go to the 80's. Fat coffee will raise that to the 90's but will quickly come back down to the 80's. I can eat a ribeye steak and see my numbers rise to 100-105. But without an extended fast those same numbers slowly creep up about 15-25 points. Again this is my personal experience and might be different for others metabolism.
When I was Carnivore for 18 months, my morning fasting numbers were always around 130. Prior to that, they were under 100. I quit Carnivore because it made me feel AWFUL.
Thank you! I have been racking my brain to figure out why my fbs was high. I am positive being an overworked nurse in the middle of a pandemic has a bit to do with it as well.
This is me 100%. I hope and pray I’ve not developed LADA. I have to lower protein. I was keto 7 years. Tried carnivore for 3 years. Gained weight. Trying to go back keto and my body is not having the simple 20-30g of carbs per day. Fasting glucose is 100-110 and stays all day. I can eat and it not spike more than 20pts but I can’t get baseline sugar down.
This happened to me too... I started fasting... one meal a day and lowered protein and now I am good... but it's aggravating... I think resistance training would help and weight training stimulates the muscle and makes it more insulin sensitive
I have been on Keto for about 6 months. At night when I go to bed my glucose at about 1 am is about 87. I fast from 10 pm till 1 pm. Then I test my glucose and I am at about 100 from the dawn effect. Mine is later than others. After I eat about an hour later a keto meal I will be back to about 90. My blood sugar is very stable from Keto. My A1c was 5.8 in July 2020 and as of end of Sept. 2020 my A1c was 5.2. I am 62. Lost 20 pounds of fat so far and 3 inches off major body parts. My skin looks great. I wrote this to give others an example to have a comparison.
Tested back in the middle of August and my fasting insulin level was 6.0 uIU/mL and fasting glucose was 108 mg/dL, so my calculated Homa-IR is 1.6. This is above optimal, but below the threshold of early insulin resistance, according to what you show on this video. So I guess I'm doing ok. I've been carnivore-ish for a year and a half. My blood glucose is "almost always" in the 105 - 115 range, regardless of the time of day, fasting or not (unless I eat some carbs). One thing interesting is that, sometimes if I eat some carbs in the evening, the next morning's fasting glucose is down in the mid to upper 90's!
Ive been doing keto strict for 5 months. I workout hard every day. My fasting blood sugar is 110. I’m not quite ripped but I’m not far off. Yet all the charts say I have prediabetes. I’m never hungry and feel great physically but now I’m worried about this. I’m wearing a cgm. Meals barely raises my blood sugar. It’s very stable. But my base line rarely goes below 100mg/dl unless I fast hard. Exercise is the only thing that causes it to spike. Not sure if I need diabetes meds or not.
Because of a type 2 diabetes environment on my system (above 200 blood glucose waking up), I started the keto diet radically. I am facing 104 blood glucose empty stomach just after getting out of bed and the normal used to be 70-75. Sometimes 82, 85. I'm on keto for about 3.5 years and started to lift heavier. Trying to get muscle mass. I confess that I am very concerned about it...
Sometimes a high BG reading can be due to not getting enough blood in the strips. Or sometimes just bad strips where the top was inadvertently left open a bit too long. Or just a bad strip. Which is why the ones that are individually packaged can be more reliable.
Hi. I’ve only just found u guys. I’ve followed a keto diet since July. Only just got my meters and I’m surprised at my first readings. Blood glucose 6 which shouts pre-diabetic to me (most my family are diabetic) & ketone 1.9. This was after 14hrs fast, testing at 10am. I woke at 6am.
I struggled with the dawn effect for quite a while. I started checking my sugars at 2 or 2:30 in the morning for my fasting values. I always gained 20-30 pts by 6am, I now attribute that to cortisol and the dawn effect. Your explanation agrees with my ideas, its good to hear some acknowledgment. With a strict Keto diet and intermittent fasting I have eliminated Insulin and got down to high school weight, a little more to go. Thanks for your time and experience.
For me i found that when i stayed base keto ( Eating only above ground veggies non breaded meats cheese and water) i was great....Its when i found the "Keto or Diet Snacks" with the additives like Acesulfame potassium Maltodextrin Maltitol Xylotol you have to watch out for because they can raise sugar levels
Love your videos and you just touched on a problem I am trying to reverse without success. Adaptive glucose sparing or perhaps starvation-induced pseudo-diabetes. To keep it short... almost 17 years on Keto (to prevent clogged arteries) Did a 164 day water fast 6 years ago and noticed after I only needed to eat 3 maybe 4 meals a WEEK. Don't eat eat more then a small piece of meat and some spinach salad for a meal. I do eat butter for a snack and might eat a handful of my fried walnuts/Brazil nuts/hazel nuts on a non meal day Did that for 6 years all the while running a cottage resort on 5 sloping acres to a lake. Very active every day. I now have very low fasting insulin and slow to respond. I have tried eating 150g carbs for 3 days, eating 3 meals in a day for two weeks, increase my caloric intake in general and nothing is kicking my insulin system into gear. After a 3rd visit to an Endo he kicked me out and said he only had time to help people who can not control their glucose levels. I am using fasting acting and over night slow acting insulin if I want to eat even close to "normal" Any idea if this is reversible.? Oh I did convince the Endo to subscribe the Gad antibody test which he has never done and he claimed it came back inconclusive
This was helpfull. It appears people seem to get problems like this when the body adapts (which I think is a good thing). I got it one month in now, after 48 + 24 hour fast
Thanks for a calm and collected description of this issue. I wonder if high blood glucose that is not caused by pathological insulin resistance is damaging to the body? If so, knowing you have it through one (or more) of the other reasons might suggest that taking a little carbohydrate immediately on waking would lower your levels sufficiently by creating some insulin to avoid damage without contributing to eventual pathological insulin resistance. A croissant with your first coffee might be sufficient. What do you think?
I was diagnosed as t1.5 LADA earlier this year. Now I’m using a sensor and a pump. I switched from keto to carnivore 8 months ago and still ranged over 200. (And gained 30 lbs) I’ve had to drop my proteins down to 15% or below to see anything under 150 .
Best video yet. All that - how does it affect hemoglobin AC1 average? So you are doing better overall and now the AC1 is higher even though the insulin level could be lower. I would love to know your experience.... glucose testing only is a proof that is not enough:). Love your videos
I've been on a keto diet for nearly 4 months now and have been testing my blood glucose nearly from the start and only rarely was it ever below 100, usually being around 112 in the morning after 12 hours of fasting. I heard about the dawn effect on another channel with the suggestion that it might be better to check my blood glucose and hour or two after I meal. I did that and it has nearly always been right near 120, right where it should be that long after having eaten. If fact the last time I had a fasting blood glucose test before a physical was a couple of years ago and then it was around 110.
@@lauren4354 I think it was the dawn phenomena where my blood glucose would rise a bit in the morning before I had eaten. I tested in the a.m. before I had eaten but went for a 2 mile walk and my blood glucose went up. I'm carnivore now with my morning glucose usually in the 90s or upper 80s, I've learned to just stop obsessing about my glucose level now because basically it's fine.
Thank you so much for sharing - I have been following KETO OMAD for 12 months and had great health benefits. I am now a healthy weight and I feel great. I do struggle with my sleeping, I wake up every day between 03h00 and 04h00, no matter whether I am on holiday or on a work day. I have dinner between 16h00 and 18h00. I have no light pollution in my bedroom, I religiously have 1 hour before bed with no electronic equipment, I go to bed between 22h00 and 23h00. I do not take any alcohol or caffeine (after 13h00) and fall asleep easily. Does anyone have a similar experience? Perhaps even overcame it?
I've been on and off keto a few times over the past decade, always did really well on it, never had sugar problems. In fact, whenever I'd test my own sugar or have bloodwork drawn, my glucose would always be around 70-80, and my A1C always tested around 4.5-5.0. This time around, I had my blood tested for the first time in three years and discovered I'm diabetic. At the time of the blood draw, I had been on keto for exactly one full week, and my glucose came in at 164 and my A1C was 8.2. I'm resisting my doctor's attempts to medicate me and alter my diet (he thinks I need to eat more fruit and take several drugs) because I know keto will eventually reverse the whole situation. I may need to find a new doctor, though, and there are precisely zero keto-friendly doctors in my area. I see several months of medical frustration in my future.
They’re not keto friendly because keto is a scam… eating keto (high fat and/or high animal protein) causes diabetes. Sorry friend, but that’s the truth
Thank you for that explanations I was truly puzzled why all at once after being on strict keto for 6 months my blood glucose jumped from the 80’s and 90’s to 117 plus!! But now my question is what can I do about that??
I just had annual check up which was 1st one since starting keto 5 months ago. Dr has never heard of fasting insulin or homa ir and basically didn't believe anything I said. Frustrating.
My fasting BG was a little high on the carnivore diet, but as soon as I was able to control my proteins intake it went down, it's now in the 90s range after 10 months of carnivore diet. On the carnivore diet please always make sure to control your portions.
Thank you so much. Really great explanation. I’m fairly sure I suffer from the dawn effect. I never knew it had a name. I was trying to explain to my doc, but she’s not very educated on the new science (i don’t think its so new). Great to be able to call it something while I’m keeping an eye on it.
It seems my dawn effect started appearing around 1 year after I started low carb. It wasn't very high but the last few months it's went up a little. Beat Diabetes (YT)mentioned nuts have a slow decrease in glucose readings . After reaching my goal I eased back into a peanut snack late at night and I understand nuts have a long curve on glucose and slow to drop and that may be the cause in my case. Just read it yesterday so we'll see. Good this morning but I fasted yesterday so I'll see in a few days by not eating nuts after lunch. Glad to see your video. I may fit into any of the reasons you mention, protein, etc. Also Covid came about the time my morning glucose eased up so it may be mildly stress related, glad you mentioned this. Thank for your post.
This very helpful and answers my quandary. I snack on nuts and my blood glucose is up.This very interesting about nuts,I shall lay off them answer see what happens.
I am 65 March 2023 blood test result Total C and LDL within range TG 227 HDL 40 A1C 5.8 ------------------ After Keto diet August 2023 blood test result Lost 30 lbs. from 210 lbs. Total C and LDL went up through the roof. TG 57 HDL 60 A1C 5.7
Me about the same. total cholesterol and LDL both about 70 points above threshold while hdl is reaching above 60 and triglyceride in the 70’s and A1c 5.7. Lost 25 lbs
blood sugar can also go up if you are sick. My resting blood sugar is 4.7 mmol/L after a 16 hour fast. During the day however my blood sugar can go up to 5.6 and stay like that all day and late into the night. I'm 2 weeks into keto.
First, gluconeogenesis is demand-driven. If you have a CGM, you can test this with ease. Your glucose spike is NOT cause by excess consumption of protein. In fact, protein should not be considered a source of energy as it is very difficult for your body to make the conversion. There are really only two macronutrients, fat and carbohydrates. This subject has been broached by Ben Bikman in many of his talks. Secondly, glucometers are nearly systematically incorrect by 10% on the high side based on multiple tests within the keto community. So that morning reading of 100 is, in fact, around 90. Otherwise, another very good video. Thank you.
I have been doing Keto and fasting 16/8 hours since January and from my numbers were doing good , but the last 3 months are so my morning glucose numbers are so high example 160, 180 even had 207 one morning mine you nothing since night before. So had 3 month blood work done my A1c went from 6.4 back to 7.0 A1c I was upset with myself result wasgiven on Friday 13th. I don't know what to do because I was doing so well now having a set back not happy at all. So my doctor wants me on a second medication Rybellus so here I go again.
The observation here is that our body can make glucose, without eating carbs or sugars! The deception we get going in, is that the only source of glucose in the blood is from eating carbs or sugars. This surprised me too after about 4 weeks on the diet. While my sugar no longer spikes up around 200, it runs between 90 and 118 or so after sleeping and sometimes even in the day.
If ai get a high reading that is un expected, I will rewash my hands and repeat the test. Many times is can be 20-30 mg/dL lower. I find the small alcohol prep pad good to use as well. It helps in a more rapid healing of the finger tip.
Wake up every morning 3-4. I’ve been strictly Ketovoir for 16 months, A1C 5.6, FBG 94, Insulin 4, guessing 50 years of SAD eating is preventing better A1C, FBG Numbers. They have come down a tiny bit. Very slow go.
I would kill for those numbers. I've been keto for six years and went carnivore 4 months ago. I'm getting closer to my goals but not as fast as I would like.
Low carb/keto for 2 years. Intermittent fast everyday. 16/8. Recent fasting glucose was 136 but A1c was 5.5. Any thoughts? My morning glucose is usually around 112 but that’s the highest reading all day. Usually goes down after bacon/eggs at noon. Any thoughts?
I’m Tyoe 2 and began keto again after couple years off… follow LCHF with MODERATE Protein & carbs 20-30 total and numbers came down from 150-200 to 90-120 in a week!! However, trying carnivore and carbs less than 10 yet sugars back up to 190… should I stick w moderate protein?
My hgb a1c now puts me at prediabetic. I started watching my bg. I run one teens - one twenties round the clock. My fasting glucose is higher than one ten when run by my doctor. I've tested my bg monitor with my test strips against a co-worker's. They measure within eight. Even after intermittent fasting my bg stays high. If I eat 15g of carbs in a meal, my bg drops to under 110. What is going on? I'm very frustrate and can't figure out what causes this when I don't eat carbs.
POTASSIUM. Alternatively: are you suffering from migraine? It's reported that women who suffer from migraine tend to loos hair when going into ketosis. Still not solved, why, but I experienced the same. Went on and on,. Then it stopped and migraine went away. I alwasy say" my hair left and took my migraines with them".
If someone is really serious about solving blood sugar issues quickly a raw vegan ketogenic diet is far superior, it lowers glucose from liver much better. Very few people are on this diet but they will usually look 10 years younger than someone on just keto.
This is why the GKI is a better metric to use. Lots of reasons the glucose can be high or low. The GKI is not perfect by any means but better then blood glucose alone.
I agree whole-heartedly!!! Sometimes my BG is high 90's-100- but high ketones keep me in "fat burning". So i don't stress about the higher numbers, stay on the program and STAY OFF THE SCALE!!
You never really say what numbers are " a little high " or what is considered " high" glucose for the morning. Is THAT high number the same as any other " high" throughout the day?
I am a type 1 diabetic who started keto a few days ago. The first couple of days were very good as far as numbers and insulin was much less than normal. Then, yesterday, my numbers were high....not the high you are talking about, but actually high as in 200-290. Insulin was not working so i ended up taking twice the usual amount yesterday. Only a little better today. I am not stressed or sick. Got any thoughts on this scenario??? I really want to stay on keto, but concerned whether it will kill me.
yes carnivore screwed my numbers. I was reaching 125 and now i woke up with 200+ so am going to have to abandon it for my clean anti inflammatory keto again.
I had good blood glucose levels when I started keto but now they are high in the morning. Since I don’t eat until 1 pm it stays high until I eat. My homa ir is .81. Is that circulating high glucose bad for me?? I can’t find a low carb doctor to help me.
I sometimes get the feeling that I'm spinning my wheels, and getting nowhere, the medical establishment can say see I told you, you can't get rid of diabetes, I do OMAD, Keto, Carnivore, exercise, still take Metformin, and Berberine and Cinnamon and Bitter melon and Tumeric, and still have blood sugar spikes after eating a very low carb meal and sometimes after a carnivore meal, maybe it's just me but I think that it's here to stay.
I'd like to know if the circadian is effected by your own personal sleep times. IE i sleep normally 6 hours, if uninterrupted, between 4am and noon. Is my rhythm the same as someone who starts their sleep around 10pm or midnight
My blood sugar problem started 4 years into keto, No keto expert will ever be able to explain it. I had overeaten on protein but not that much, had carbs are under 20 net carbs, been fairly active. My theory is that once the body is lean and slim, the person doesn't have the so-called fat reserves anymore. Therefore, it converts protein into glucose and breaks down muscle to be able to carry on doing this. My case is most likely this. It seems to be a misconception that the body just keeps producing ketones and feeds on body fat. Long-term ketoers claim that their ketone readings are low, under 0.5 and even lower. Experts may say the body makes just as many ketones as necessary. I call this bull..... Also, another misconception is that the body just digs into its fat reserves. But there isn't fat reserves. Others claim that even when you are slim, you have decent amount of far reserves. Nope, lean or slim aren't the same things, nor have we got the same body type. It ain't matter if there is still some fat reserves, the body won't use up everything otherwise we die. To conclude, I believe lean people will have a hard time staying on keto for the long-term as the body won't be able to efficiently use fat that is rather low in the body and as a result, protein and muscle are used to make glucose to fuel the body.
I'm in the same situation like you. I lost more weight than i wanted on keto and my blood be sugar is worse then when I was eating tons of sugars and carbs. I couldn't find any explanation for this
@@nickbardan3867 Hey, I have been working on this for quite a while now and I was able to lower that blood sugar by completely ignoring the basic rules. Instead of fasting, now I eat fats three times a day. Fasting only works if the one has ample fat storage, otherwise, the body will dig into protein sources such as the muscle. Protein will then be turned into sugar. I also believe, when this happens, the body has very week insulin response compared to eating carbs. That is a myth that once the one is in ketosis, the body will just keep making ketones forever. Especially, in cases of active people, staying in ketosis becomes hard. I have read a study in which they said that proper lean endutrance athletes struggle to stay in ketosis. Dr Berg actually put out a video on this a couple of months ago. One important thing I noticed that I feel the best, the strongest and the healthiest when I have a tad bit extra wait on me. This could explain my theory meaning the body finds enough fat sources and no need to create glucose. I am going to get my blood test done next week, so I will see how my HbA1C has changed.
@@garrya7576 WOW. I think you are onto something here I did feel better when I was fatter. I also do physical work every day ( I'm a tile setter) plus workout after job. I think this keto and fasting is messing me up. I lost too much weight. I think keto is for sedentary people not for active people. I watch Jeff Cavaliere on you tube. He's a lean mean muscle body and he eats 500 g of carbs daily
I have watched many different videos on this topic and not one ever explains if having higher blood sugar like that will ever go away. Is it ok to have a fasting blood sugar of 105 on keto? Is it ok if doing 45 mins of fasted exercise lowers it to normal, between 80 and 90. Is it ok if the blood sugar levels never go above 120 after a meal but 2 hrs after tends to hang out around 100? It never goes above 140 but tends to never drop below 100 unless I do exercise to lower it.
Adaptive glucose sparing was very intruiging... I've been on keto for over 3 years to build up and fight against cancer, and now I'm showing higher levels of glucose. Unsure whether to think of this as successful or not.
They said on another channel that higher glucose levels could be because red blood cells live longer (up to 50%) on keto diets and accumulate more glucose over time, thus the higher numbers.
I don't leave my house until after noon because my blood sugar feels so low and crazy. I ate chicken thigh and that gives me a high sometimes and I ate chicken wing and that really gave me a high and I felt horrible all day.
Dr Keith - Any thoughts on carb cycling when weightlifting? I’m told that elevated insulin is good post workout because it shuttles protein into the muscles. Some are suggesting high glycemic carbs so you get a spike without the sustained elevated glucose levels. Any thoughts on this?
