Why do TRUE metalheads laugh at Black Metal? Mayhem, Darkthrone, Burzum, Fenriz and 2nd Wave of BM 

Here is my old video on Mayhem ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-R3K5xi12T2M.html

"metal was ruined by nerds" said the nerd

Just because you don't like a certain type of music, doesn't mean it isn't "good".

I'd rather listen to a Dark Throne album than a Red Fang album.

Black Metal is one of my favorite genres of Metal. I have no idea who Emperor, Dissection, Dimmu Borgir, Taake, MGLA, 1349, etc. copied, ripped off, whatever but if they did I'm damn glad they did it. All that matters is if the music moves me or not. Not really concerned about anything else or what anyone thinks..........

Wow. I haven't heard these "true metal" arguments since I was in highschool. Thanks for taking me back.

Old man yells at cloud

Why is the fact that the BM scene refuses to die a bad thing? ppl will listen to whatever they want to listen, live and let live.

I love black metal and i didn't start listening cause they killed each other 💀 tf, i just like the music.

A Blaze in the northern sky is Darkthrone 2nd album.

This feels like ragebait.

Damn you managed to sound both like a teen and a grandpa at the same time when stating your opinion. Well done

"True metalheads"? Look, as someone who has been listening to metal in one form or another since the '70s, I gotta say it: if you aren't laughing at your favorite metal at least sometimes, then it's probably SUPPOSED to be "funny".... To put it another way, the more "true" and serious the metal, the funnier it gets, and that's alright: the ham and cheese are all part of the fun....

Hmm the title should be "Why do TRUE metalheads laugh at Self-proclaimed TRUE Metalheads"

Love it that he said that Mayhem and Burzum used drum maschienses Well That's pretty wrong Mayhem have Hellhammer and Varg played the drums himself

Pretty sure that Fenriz has repeatedly said that Darkthrone is nothing more than a Celtic Frost/Bathory tribute band, as well as repeatedly pulling inspiration from Mayem. He also described black metal as fancy dress. So that's your take confirmed by the horse's mouth.

It hasn't killed the underground. People just aren't looking for it hard enough.

I just need to be clear on one thing. Darkthrone is a really great band. I dont really care what people say about them. They have given me a lot of wonderful listenig experiences and they are still going strong. I have never had BM as my favourit genre, but come on, How can anyone who is a fan of great music dislike Darkthrone.

I'm not even gonna watch the video, dude. I'm bout to unload. All metal is awesome! Peace to all!

Still love me some darkthrone. Also kinda funny how much Fenriz loves old 80s speed metal and how much 80s speed metal is in later Darkthrone

You seem to have little facts going on around when you talk about Darkthrone. Its so much more swedish death metal than florida death metal sounding, they even recorded in the same studio as Entombed, Dismember and so on. Darkthrone has always been on their own journey. And the meme you show is about power metal... they had the first released album in genre of the second wave of black metal. When you talk about the first Bathory album you are also wrong about why its Yellow and then became white. It was supposed to be gold but it when they got it, it was yellow. They hated the yellow and thats why its white on every press ever since. Live in leipzig was relesed 1 year after A blaze in the northern sky which has a black and white cover. I dont care at all about the true cult stuff, but you are wrong in so many places, making this look like a 12 year olds attempt to be edgy. Just as the second wave of Bm, and you would probably fitet well in that crowd. And too take away peoples feelings because they did not grow up in a farm alone is just wierd and really really stupid, you can have had the best of upbringings and still be depressed as hell have mental illnesses and neuropsychoatric disabilitys. Pelle "Deads" Depression and wanting of death came from beeing dead. He got his spleen crushed at a very young age and was after that very very wierd and never fited in anywhere he always felt like an outsider where ever he was, and mayhem was probably not a great place to be at that time.

A True metalhead also loves black metal

Bruh Darkthrone,Burzum,Bathory,Venom,Old Sodom are fucking awesome bands regardless.

I wish kids had more of an opportunity to play loud. Trying to find a place to rehearse all the time without being bankrolled is beyond tough nowadays, not to mention parents who put their kids in 30 extracurriculars. Then there's almost no place to play under 21, and hard to play anywhere that isn't covers (guilty) or dj. My heart goes out to these kids that want to do that but just can't. Hats off to anyone who finds a way to do it. 🤘🏻

How is this different than death metal or thrash metal? Those genres copy eachother as well. There is always going to be a certain kind of overlap and "copying" within a genre. When you are talking about specific topics that are used in such genre, certain imagery and themes will also come with that. It could be how you are implementing these things but as long as you are acting out of a passion for the art i dont see the problem. I do agree with the examples you gave about album cover and riff copying but overall this just comes off as you being sour towards the black metal genre to me.

Hey I don’t get all the negativity. Yea, most of every genre is shyte. Big news. But why should I focus on those old dudes who no-one really cares about? Black metal scene gave birth to tons of absolutely fantastic music. Of those guys from the early 90s, many of them (ones you conveniently left out) had moved on and brought their black metal DNA to new waters. When I think BM, I think Ihsahn’s diverse solo work, Dodheimsgard’s revolutionary new approach, Enslaved and their dreamy sound, Deathspell Omega’s next level of dissonant intensity, all the stuff americans began to do with the genre in recent decades (Liturgy, WitTR). There is dickshitloads of good things that you could have had focus on, but you chose to go again after few losers, unintentionally fuelling their fire by giving them your (and therefore ours) time and attention. No wonder you are not getting any new patreons with content like this.

Mehh, still black metal has produced some of the most beautiful metal ever: Bathorys viking stuff, Burzums atmospheric stuff, Ulver, Summoning, Caladan Brood, Falkenbach etc etc.. ya know the more melodic, atmospheric, folky stuff

So here's how I got into Black Metal. In 1995 (I was 15) I started exploring some more "underground" styles of music. Some of the first bands I listened to that were not in the mainstream were Moonspell and My Dying Bride. At the time, I was scouring the internet looking for more music, and that kind of led me down a rabbit hole of black and doom metal bands. Many of whom I still enjoy. At the time, the number one review site for these kinds of bands was this garish as fuck site called "Marcus Karlssons review page." And I'm probably spelling his name wrong. But I fell in love with the cover arts and start exploring Black Metal, first with Samael. Then later with bands like Emperor, Cradle of FIlth, Dissection, and Darkthrone. All the way, I had yet no idea of the church burnings and murder bullshit. And to this day I still love a lot of Black Metal. When the genre is done right, I think it is second to none in being both atmospheric, and carrying a great amount of melody. The main riff in Transylvanian Hunger, for instance, is a great example of strong melodies and atmosphere. My main point is: not everyone really gives a shit about the murder and arson stuff. For me, it's just kind of "there" and I know i'm not the only one who feels this way. Also worth noting is that i'm from the US, and here in the mid-90s, no one (in my area) was listening to this kind of music. The metalhead crowd at my highschool was into Pantera and later Korn and Limp Bisquick. They never enjoyed anything I listened to and vice versa. That's my long ass story.

Got into black metal around 2001 or 2002 through the music (Agathodaimon and Emperor to be precise, featured on some compilation) and listened to several black and death metal bands for a year before being introduced to bands like Mayhem and Burzum, and the stories behind them. Of course I was intrigued by the stories at the time (being 14 or 15 at the time), but that phase quickly went by. Didn't take long before I stopped taking it all so seriously. Nothing about this impacted my love for the genre. Also, apart from teenagers getting into black metal, a couple of eternal edgelords and the media, barely anyone gives a shit about the murders and church burnings. Most people get over early Mayhem and similar stuff pretty quickly. If we're talking about Norwegian black metal, then Taake for example are more respected because they're, musically speaking, a way better band. Most people who are into black metal are there for the music. For most people into black metal, interviews like the one with Gaahl in his cabin aren't taken seriously but are laughed at instead. Is there a lot of gatekeeping and edginess in black metal? Sure. Dit the image of black metal draw in people? Of course. But to think that murders and edgy stories are the driving force behind black metal, especially today, just isn't the case. That said, imagery does play a role (live, album covers, atmospheric intro's/outro's/interludes on albums...) because this kind of music, that is often emotional, atmospheric, and/or has fantastical elements, works best in a certain atmosphere. Also, don't know what the whole 'they weren't original'-point of the video was all about. Of course new genres and scenes usually build off of previous genres and scenes. Can't think of many examples of where that isn't the case. All bands you talked about basically said they were influenced by bands like Venom and Bathory. And some bands change styles. Often because what they were playing didn't really suit them, satisfy them or the right cultural paradigm shift hadn't taken place yet. Pantera was a glam band before basically becoming the complete opposite. Second wave black metal was a countermovement to things like Florida death metal, and so they sought out other bands with a more primitive sound and image, and people influenced each other. That's basically what a scene is. Also, Darkthrone in particular were and are still relevant because they know how to write good riffs and deliver these in a minimalistic and primitive package. On the metal being dead thing: I can't keep up with bands, I go to shows and festivals all the time, don't care if the general public likes or dislikes metal, don't care if you are bored with it (just don't listen to it then, I guess?), I find new things all the time, metal has pretty much explored what it could by now in terms of sound, and I don't need a new Lemmy. I never cared much about the old one, even though I kind of like Motörhead. In fact, I am and pretty much always have been against the concept of rock stars. Most of them were overpaid, narcissistic, substance-abusing degenerates. Products of a personality-obsessed and nihilistic culture.

Love entombed, love motorhead, love 1st and 2nd wave of black metal. Also love modern bands like Alcest, Kvelertak or Harakiri For The Sky. There is a lot of good modern metal bands, with good production still sounding real and true in what they do. There is nothing wrong in being influenced by somebody else. You said that bm is copy of a copy. Man, you can say after Black Sabbath every band is copy of them. Deep Purple had thrash/speed songs judging by modern standards. Music is like river, its floats. If you have problem with "progress" its means that YOU have problem and mostly people your age or older only talk about something being true or not. Ok boomer Also in Warsaw where I live underground is living its best life, metal gigs every week. Every year there is great metal festivals for example Black Silesia Open Air with bands like Exciter, D666, Butcher, Desaster, Satan or Nifelheim playing every year. They are not early 80's band and still they are great and "true" metalheads are the people who live metal, not listen to it. In the future take some time to do a resarch about topic you talk about, cuz most of things you said were wrong. Only thing I can agree is 2nd wave was edgy af, but still music for me defend itself

As an old schooler (the days of Angel Witch, when Savatage was Avatar, and King Diamond couldn’t sing and was Mercyful Fate), I love hearing your take. It’s interesting to remember and talk about what made the scene back then, and how people had the opportunity to gather, get loud, and just make angsty aggressive noise. The bands and musicians that wanted to get out there had a DIY attitude that’s not completely different from a kid with a computer today, but, and I want to phrase this without gatekeeping, part of the angst and aggression was trying to get past the original gatekeepers (record companies) and make a scene and get directly to the people who loved the music. A lot, if not all those roadblocks have been removed. The computer has allowed anyone with an idea to do almost anything. I agree it’s made some things sterile and generic, because people are all trying to get to the same “perfect” tones. And it’s just easier now. And you can sound like anyone. But when everyone sounds the same what’s the point? Personally I was never hardcore enough to get into the Death Metal scene, and always viewed it as a bit of a performance, but it grew out of enjoying the dark side of things. Very metal band fell over themselves trying to have the most hardcore shocking album cover in the world. It’s no wonder the scene just became a copy of a copy of a copy. The rock scene birthed Kiss, and this was Metal fans combining all of that stuff together. I’ve no idea what the scene is like now, but it does feel like people are chasing each others tails a bit. 🤷🏻‍♂️

Thanks for organizing this. Wow! References and all.

Damn, it's almost like artist draw inspiration from things they like and listen to. I love black metal because its one of the most true genres in terms of atristism. Music is an art, and art is a reflection of persons life, their passion and their pain. Black metal scene (apart from pop artist like behemoth, dark funeral, etc) has almost no money in it, meaning that people do it because they like it, and not because its their business. They know they won't become popular, they know they will never get their money back from buying a guitar, they just do it, just because the want to share their experiences. So what if it sounds similar to something else? They listed to a song, they liked it a lot, and so decided to make a similar one, or put their on spin on it, because they enjoy doing so. It's like if you go to a restaurant and try a new dish. You like it and you want to recreate it. Is that not true? Is that not passion? When I listen to Black metal I experience things that other people put in their music, their emotions, and feelings. I don't give a damn about listening to one rip-off riff for 5 minutes strait, or about cringe lirics, or whatever, because that's how human nature is like. Black metal does have a barrier of entry. your songs are not supposed to be entertaining, they not supposed to be mixed properly or sound good at all, or be poetic. Black metal, in my opinion is true art because it doesn't care about the audience, it just expresses emotion or thought, and that what art is. I think you've forgotten it. Ps of course this doesn't only apply to Black metal, but I don't see much of this thing other genres, apart from ambient

Can you elaborate when you claim burzum latched on to mayhem causing varg to become the “end of level copycat boss?” How does filosofem (or any of vargs work for that matter) sound like anything mayhem did?

For me it wasn't the story. Some guy on the bus heading home from highschool made me listen to a song from Judas Iscariot called "Descent to the abyss", and i didn't like it at first. Then i played it a few more times and there was something about it that just made me want to hear more. That was back in 2000. I was a punk rocker guy during that time, and i listened to street punk. It was probably the most extreme version of punk i listened to during that time. So judas iscariot and the entire black metal genre was just that little leap i was searching for. Been a huge black metal fan ever since.

I listen to a lot of COT videos. I am eyeing your Marshall’s on the shelf this time.

"The conformity of nonconformity" is what I always called it. Interesting how all of these "individuals" are all wearing the exact same uniform & walk in a tighter single file line than a K Pop fan. I always thought metal meant being true to yourself, not caring at all what anyone else thought, & not having to prove to ANYONE how metal you are or are not.

I'm a guitar player and I've been into power metal, progressive metal, thrash metal which was my gateway to the extreme, death metal and my favorite, melodic death metal, etc... But I also love black metal to the core. After more than 22 years loving all these genres, I didn't know I wasn't a TRUE metalhead because I also happen to like black metal. Excuse me for being so fake and phony. You could do this same assessment regarding any other genre or sub-genre on earth, because almost nothing is authentic in it's core, everything is a copy of a copy with a little twist if you think about it carefully.

I understand. Back in the late 80's and early 90's I had an original band in the Atlantic City, NJ shore area called Jered Syn. We started out playing covers but soon started writing songs based on our influences of bands like Merciful Fate/King Diamond, Slayer, etc. These bands weren't 'mainstream' yet so this kind of metal was very underground for the area. We started playing out, opening for every band under the Moon. We noticed, as did venue owners and promoters, that the crowds were getting bigger (and more aggressive) at our sets, and we were getting moved from opening slots until eventually we were headlining. Part of the reason is that all those other bands we were opening for were 'hair metal' types while we were more 'thrash/dark/speed/etc.' and people were really coming around to that. It was raw and we liked it like that. Eventually though everyone was doing it. And with certain things in the way we disbanded shortly after this was filmed (sorry for the quality, best I've got right now): ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-G_magFDS554.html

I have never listened something like "Hvis Lyset Tar Oss" previously. It was and will remain OUT of this world. And there is nothing to laugh at that album. It is a simple masterpiece.

I started listening to black metal because I absolutely love the tremolo guitar sound And Dark Funeral is the king of black metal in my opinion

I remember buying my copy of Welcome To Hell on vinyl as a kid. Probably flipped through the racks at the record stores for at least a year before I found it. Saved my lunch money for two weeks to buy it. It was like holding an artifact of blasphemous arcana. That cover art was dangerous. There was a forbidden power within the sleeve. A serious low-fi sound from some blood-stained dungeon. Did these guys burn candles to demons in the forest? The turntable needle occasionally popped with unexpected energy (dust, lol) as it bounced through the grooves, and I carefully hit "record" and "stop" on my cassette deck as I did the ritual of re-assembling those compellingly frightening tracks to tape for my Walkman. It was a more mysterious world 40 years ago.

You make quite a few valid points, Sir! Personally speaking, the reason why i actually got into black metal was those awesome, dark and eerie tremolo riffs, those dark melodies, the symphonic and orchestral elements and of course the vocals. With that being said, i never gravitated towards raw black style (there are exceptions, of course). I also didn't get into it for racism or any of that shit. I just love the music style. I've seen many people diss black metal but it doesn't bother me anymore. It's their opinion. Besides, there are far worse metal subgenres to listen to like deathcore and thet new slam bullshit.🤣

I don't know. I think you could apply the same reasoning to any music genre. It's more apparent in black metal maybe but a lot of bands are just copycats in any genre, sometimes significant bands started as copycats, sometimes they were relevant because they were bad copycats but created something unique accidentally. I am not a fan of Black Metal but a I like a few bands like Emperor, Dissection (some will argue there are not black metal), some Gorgoroth stuff... etc

Wait… you’re telling me musicians are influenced by other musicians? 😮 I had no clue

Guys influencing themselves in the same scene, sometimes working together or with the same material in the same studio, what's the problem ? It's exactly the same in the thrash scene, the nu metal scene and many other, and the same outside of metal in the british rock scene, the french electro scene, the j-pop scene, the hip hop or the reggaeton scene. That's basically the concept of a scene. It's not Mayhem or Darkthrone who created the sound, the design, it's the scene they made all together which makes norvegian black metal what it is, just like Seattle's bands made grunge scene.

I love Darkthrone, but never liked Burzum or Mayhem, for some reason. I'm 23 in 2 months and I always wanted to make my own kind of metal music, but never had the people to do it with. Had different kind of life circumstances move me around the country trying to "find myself", and at the end I returned to where I started from, to get along with this younger dude. We knew each other for years but didn't really talk much cos he is 3 years younger than me, then we found other we had similar taste in music, but completely different lives, mostly emotionally. He didn't play a single instrument and I inspired him to start playing drums. I played bass, but got a guitar and quickly adopted to it with sole purpose to play primitive metal and try to put my emotion into it. He won't be able to learn drums I think, but at least he inspired me to get back into this. Hell, we even went to his place to sample drums, to have him involved into this some way. I'm using an 80s Peavey keyboard amp, cheap ass pedals, cheapest Jackson guitar there was, cheap ass Jackson bass, cheapest interface, cheap 70s AKG microphone, all the equipment I collected over the years as a poor Eastern European teen. I hope someone recognizes my music. Currently working on my first EP, wish me good luck!

Darkthrone are our Beatles. Its about Ted and Fenriz, two totally different people who know great old riffs and use them because it's what they like. It is a Scandinavian thing - I'm a Finn, we love music, in America it all has to be an event, here it's casual, not so important, so we put out things other cultures may find WTF or boring, or already heard that. We love the changes they made in Darkthrone, because it was better with them. I still am a huge fan of the boys

When it comes to the copying, they were just teenagers playing some stuff that they really liked and were neighbors too, they tried something different who were all just a bunch of screwball friends that really wanted to form something. Soulside journey was a beginning before they found their niche and took inspiration from those they loved, yes of course there’s going to be “copying” especially when it’s something new. playing off one and another to see what sticks and taking inspirations from those that came before it, heavy metal, death metal, thrash, and any other genre that becomes interesting and something that people are seriously getting into there’s going to be people replicating that and or trying to put their on spin on it, it doesn’t apply to just black metal of all genres. Also black metal isn’t just the one genre that’s become saturated and everywhere even though it’s just using tremolo picking, that was doom in the 2010’s, death metal rn with people getting that old incantation riff style, it’s all phases in music and can change. Let’s just enjoy “some” of these dumbass teenagers who helped make something that they loved and wanted to put their own spin on it. Interesting video though

Not sure where you got your info from but Mayhem has never used a drum machine before aside from one track on grand declaration of war with that (out of place) electronic track. Your vid was entertaining and I'm a huge black metal fan and musician, but the main issue I have is your marginalization of an entire scene but yet your focused on just 3 bands withen it.... little bit odd, but I'm just 1 opinion here. Cheers man 🤘

Blackened deathend power grind with jazz-fusion country influences is my favorite

I always like your take on these topics, and also the fact that you have your own music that you put on here. It put a lot of feeling over the Candlemass video with dead on it. Thanks man!

Big Heathers husband from Eastenders getting salty

I'm 55. I can't believe I made it this far, but that's a long story filled with wanton stupidity. I picked up a guitar when I was 10 and knew I was doomed. I didn't know how good I had it at the time because there was a vibrant band scene, and everyone seemed to play an instrument. I'm the only one who was foolish enough to pursue it as a career, but I enjoyed every grubby, sordid minute of it. My ears are shot, as is my liver, but it was fun. The idea that there's no real live scene anymore hadn't occurred to me. That's a damn shame

This gotta be one of the biggest neuron mass suicide posts in metal youtube

Tell me you hate black metal without telling me you hate black metal.

Great video. Very interesting, hard to argue with anything you said.

Great video. Totally agree that Tom G Warrior was the OG. Ps: great to see Candlemass!

"I've fucked up the scene just much as a lot of people have." Can definitely relate to that in my own way.

Richard Christy 3:09 😂 ... That dude's giving me so many hours of laughs from his and Sal's prank calls. Great freakin drummer too.

I love dark throne. I still can hear Scream Bloody Gore in Eternal Hails. The last track on that release reminds me a little of Sonic too. Great band. I'm not very big on black metal tho. I became interested in Celtic Frost through Sheer Terror mentioning them probably. Channel looks good recently.

Black metal is a lot like the Attitude era of wrestling, aside from the fact that Black Metal kept kayfabe alive.

Soulside journey sounds the way it does because of budgetary restrictions, sunlight studios became popular because it was affordable to all the bands with tight budgets in Sweden. Darkthrone in fact had wanted to record at Creative Studios (where deathcrush was recorded and coincidentally their local studio) because they were fans of the 'organic sound' of the record. They ended up borrowing amps from Nihilist/Entombed and one of the guitarist of said band is credited from the production of guitar;. This is down to as Fenriz put it roughly: "Our inexperience in the studio". Fenriz also mentions that he wasn't allowed to use his own kick drums and had to use a 'D-Drum' not quite sure what he means other than to imply the use of samples. I also disagree that the album is a mere death clone - Fenriz is right in saying the band closest to their style of writing was Nocturnus' demos

Even if I agreed with everything you said, which I don't, I still love Black Metal and is my favourite genre and have been listening to it for a long time. I saw Mayhem live Friday just gone and they fucking ripped. Most of the crowd were young and everyone I spoke to loved the gig. Lots of their favourite more mainstream or popular metal genre bands cite bands like Mayhem as influences. Theirs heaps of bands I can't stand, but I'd rather see kids listening to metal than the fucking trash that is one the radio. This video probably has some truths that black metal heads dont want to hear or already know, but the true poser is the one who has their feelings hurt and changes what they love to listen to because of a youtube video.

That bewitched video is internet gold

I love many different kinds of music, but I have a particular soft spot for black metal. It's kind of funny, I like it for the very reasons you dislike it, I find it very intriguing and interesting, the atmosphere and the gritty lo-fi nature of it. But then again, I like some weird shit in my musical tastes. It definitely isn't for everybody. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, to listen to whatever they prefer. I totally agree that today the underground is oversaturated with mediocre black metal bands that have no originality but there are some real gems to be found as well.

why true metal heads laug- *we do not care*

what you say about black metal made me realize Venom, Celtic Frost, Bathory and Mercyful Fate is the truest and origins of black metal.

I'm a power/heavy metalhead. but i got into black metal because of atmospheric black about winter, thunderstorm, dark sorcery, nord in the first place and to find good dark music while playing Warhammer Nightlords. I don't care about Black metal dark history and what other people are thinking of it. I just enjoy the music.

Lemmy wouldn't make a 25min RU-vid video whining about a musical movement either. I agree 20 years of forums mustn't have done you any favours, I can't say 'cos I've never used them. But back to the point, I like Rok from Sadistik Exekution's quote "it's hard to be COMPLETELY original, unless you chop your arm off and stick it on your head or smoke cigarettes through your eyeballs - that's being original!"

black metal is so atmospheric and emotional. there is black metal i can listen to when i want so sleep and some i can headbang to. its so experimental and there is no metal genre that gives me the same vibes.

Love your rants man, keep them coming :)

I grew up on Venom, Celtic Frost, Mercyful Fate, Bathory, Slayer, Sabbath, etc and I fucking love all of those great 90's black metal bands, and I just turned 50.. metal to the grave 🤘🔥

but i think the next over used thing of the v30 is the g12t75 speaker

I know it's silly and contrived but I love black metal. I can see and understand everything people say about it. I do genuinely enjoy the music though. People can call me a poser if they want to.

Good video. I'm curious about your opinion on modern death metal. There are tons of new wave OSDM bands. I'm personally huge fan, but I figured I would ask for your opinion since some of the video's discussion was about copycats and such.

Couldn't agree more. Metal has become so streamlined it's ridiculous. It just seems to go in circles now, like a never ending reunion tour

you have 0 knowledge about black metal

They paved the way for the movement. You sure have not bothered to listen to some of the finest musical experiences produced in the genre. As someone who respects your idealism. I enjoy listening to Peste Noire, Dødheimsgard, Sorcier des Glaces, Sortsind, Bethlehem, Shining, ... Dismissing an entire art scene as mediocre and childish without taking the time to explore its diverse range of styles and meanings may limit your understanding of the artistic realm.

The way I got into black metal was randomly going through RU-vid and I started exploring ‘underground’ music, That had at least 200 views to 6k views. Explored that stuff and found the genre ‘black metal’, ‘doom metal’, psychedelic… drone… all that stuff. And that’s how I became obsessed with black metal before I even knew the bad side of it (Nazi stuff and that). It’s an amazing genre I will give it that.

thank you for introducing me to your favourite black matal bands and era ❤😎👍🏼thank you for gave me a correct information about black metal 😎

For me Dissection is the best black metal band because they can be soo brutal but also really beutifull.And plus they were original and the pruduction is amazing.

There are things i always come back to. One of them is Machine Head. They were laughed at back in the early 2000s for trying to be Nu Metal... i always liked them because they never aligned to a grid. And there lies the energy of metal... in anger i becomes faster and on slower parts its getting towards depression. It is honest and real in the Story it tells... that is the essence of timeless Music. Not just Metal.

Playing Entombed - Night of the vampire (swedish death metal) over the video of candlemass - bewitched (doom metal) told me all I needed about this projection of personal opinions presented as truth.

"basement blackened hobbit with a laptop hahahhahaha thats my album cover right there lol

People in the rave/edm scene are more dark, edgy and fun than modern metalheads. I love grindcore and noise more than I love my mother but the modern rave scene in europe is more diy and more raw and hardcore than metalheads were even in the 90s!

so hypothetically if I hear a new song that i think sounds awesome, before i can actually give it cred or legitimize it, i should make sure to look into the musicians and make sure their mom didn't buy them a guitar? metallica rips off riffs too. we can't be expected to scrutinize every band down to the tea to make sure we are listening to only the originators can we? thanks to the norwegian scene everyone gets to look at where they came from so they discover the old stuff which wasn't as good but you have to start somewhere until you get it right. people just hate on black metal because it is pretty appealing and ya maybe got a little too popular and ya is over saturated but that doesn't mean people shouldn't experiment with it. just ignore what you don't like. who gives a shit. just my opnion.

i think the bathory is more g12h style speaker but transilvania hunger is the g12t75 speaker

cool cover of roky ericsson night of the vampire. that's not what that music video is for is it? the video is bewitched by candlemass?

black metal is the most authentic and artistic form of metal. if those are your reasons for calling someone copycat and clone, what can you say about USA thrash metal then? i really dont think you understand this subgenre, its not about stories, its not about characters. you look at black metal through the eyes of hipster, not someone who loves music.

Take away the nerds and/or mentally ill from extreme metal bands - and you probably take away almost half of them. And I'm one of them.

That's interesting. I think it's kool to know how to sound like certain bands. But when I record I do it my way. I get a sound I like. I don't try to sound like someone else. Never even thought about doing that.

Soulside Journey I would not call a copycat, I love that album and wish they continued it, knowing about Goatlord, both versions.

Blaze in the northern sky was better than anything Mayhem ever did. I'd also take Immortal and Emperor over anything by Burzum or Mayhem.

The mainstream HATES real black metal, the generic shit proliferating within mixed genre bands, with the exception of black thrash and blackened death, derives from a form of hipster post rock they call "post black metal." Those bands aren't underground nor are they remotely black metal. The Norwegian scene was a joke that would've gone nowhere without sensationalist journalism but I agree that the death metal scene was and is full of vanilla sausage garbage bands, same as the generic thrash resurgence. The hipster problem in the metal scene is firmly rooted within poser death metal bands nowadays. The Norwegians were right in seeing how terrible the idea of modernizing the sound of metal could become.

Can we get a black metal trope drinking game video Owen?

Why do I get the feeling this fella stands front and centre at metal shows with a clipboard, eyeballing the band members while shaking his head with disappointment.

The music is secondary in black metal? Gotta say, that makes me wonder how much you've actually listened to? Sure, within every genre, there are the uninspired, sub-par acts which might place image or agenda above the actual music. Though on the whole, I find black metal to be among the MOST musical, thoughtful, and emotionally expressive subgenres in all of metal. You don't have to look very hard before encountering some really remarkable stuff in the genre. Seems like you might have come to some pretty hasty & sweeping conclusions. I'd say maybe give it a fair chance first if you haven't already? To each their own though. Definitely would avoid characterizing the whole community of black metal fans as a bunch of confused and misguided teenagers at least -- that's a bit harsh and just simply not true! Some of us who have been listening for years are very consciously aware of why we appreciate the actual music, & of the value that's there to be found despite the weaknesses. Again, those are part of every genre; I'm sure I could find a lot to criticize in whatever your favorite genre might be. But those things don't have to define the music in general... and what good would come of it anyway?

Black Metal artist and fan here. For the record, I love Bathory, but have always disliked Mayhem and Darkthrone. I started not because of anything they had done, I am Swedish and Finnish and did because I felt this music was tied to Scandinavia. I can see how it can all be seen as contrived and derivative but the same can be said about a lot of music. Death Metal, a bunch all try to sound like Cannibal etc etc. It's more to me about how can you take inspiration from someone or a band, then make it your own. A piece of YOU has to be in music, otherwise why even do it. Also, not here to talk any shit or "hate" on anyone, think whatever you want, it's more beautiful when people are allowed differing opinions.

He said “Basement blackened hobbit”😂