Why Do We Still Teach Freud If He Was So Wrong? 

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1:34 "Really?" Me: "Have you seen modern feminists of the 3rd wave variety?"

Here's one thing he got really right: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-i7xqpVnE3UU.html Note the Samuels' clip and Chopra's second clip. Hope SciShow will do one on Milton Erikson and Carl Jung.

The political agenda is obvious and your authoritative delivery of 'facts' you don't actually understand is unconvincing.

@@anyfriendofkevinbaconisafr177 did you notice the word "care taker" not mother of father? Now they might say..yeah..but we mean a person who cares for ...blaabla..

Freud was largely an idiot. Sorry, but from a scientific perspective, he was unable to distinguish his own philosophical imaginations, rantings, and hypotheses from actual evidence, and that is not just from recent observations and conclusions. CS Lewis noted of him, "When Freud is talking about how to cure neurotics he is speaking as a specialist on his own subject, but when he goes on to talk general philosophy he is speaking as an amateur. It is therefore quite sensible to attend to him with respect in the one case and not in the other--and that is what I do. I am all the readier to do it because I have found that when he is talking off his own subject and on a subject I do know something about (namely, languages) he is very ignorant." Indeed he is, and unfortunately, what academic colleagues perhaps did not fully realize, until long after, is that even on psychoanalytic topics, Freud seems to have little concept of where evidence ends and postulating nonsense begins. Like Lewis, he was principally arguing his religion and adding whatever bits of evidence from his field that he could to support that; he just didn't know it, which is even worse. That is why he got so many things wrong and has been discredited to the degree he has been. Once the debunking is done, hopefully Freud can be relegated to a sidebar on page 57 of second-year texts and that will be about it. The whole field already suffers from enough scientific struggles without his "help."

When Freud begun to develop his ideas, therapy for mental illnesses was, literally, torture. When Freud's ideas begun to spread, the American Psychology Association was interested in eugenics. So, tell me more about the scientific struggles of the whole field.

@@ReflectedMiles Hahahahahahaha Yes, well you are clearly the authority when it comes to "talking off subject" and having "little concept of where evidence ends and postulating nonsense begins" LMFAO

@@nothefabio Talk to any physicist or other person qualified in the hard sciences and see what they think about the history and rigor of psychoanalysis and treatments as "science," including Freud, but since then as well. If he or she doesn't laugh, you will have found a nice person. Even just reduced to a "pop" level at SciShow, here's one brief and mild take on it: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-2MDNvKXdLEM.html The APA has mounted something of a defense, though it is weak at best.

Where do you get that quote from?

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Or notice that current 'experts' with political agendas are incrementally dumbing your field down so it fits their control narrative.

What about math?

This is kind of a poor excuse. I mean phrenology isn't required to be taught anymore.

Thats fine for university courses, but I dont think it really works for anything lower than that. Not for psychology anyway (like its still useful to be taught old models in Chemistry, for example)

lol

That's not true, maybe he just wanted to kill his dad.

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Well at least the internet wasn't around when he was alive or he might have dethroned Alex Jones title of being walking textbook example of why you don't say stupid stuff on the internet.

This comment is gold.

My high school had an introduction to Psychology type class. The teacher taught only Freud, and taught him as if he was 100% right about everything. I remember one day going home almost in tears because he taught us about Freud's whole "you date people that remind you of your opposite sex care giver" theory, and the teacher flat out said if you were abused as a child, you would never be in a healthy relationship because you would either only date other abusers, or if you ever dated someone that didn't abuse you, you wouldn't be satisfied in the relationship (because that would mean they weren't like your parent) and it would fall apart. So child abuse victims can't have happy healthy relationships. I was glad to learn a lot of Freud's theories were wrong, but also upset that they're allowed to teach that as if it's factually correct in schools.

@@EveCat2343 Luckily I knew Freud was 90% wrong so I was just really confused why were learning about penis envy. I also thought it was super funny that it was so wrong. Sucks that you didn't have a similar experience.

@@EveCat2343 I havent read most of Freud theories, and i certainly dont think he was right about everything, but doesnt it make kind of sense that being literally abused as a child have extremely traumatic consequences in the life of the victim and their sexual life? I dont know many people who have been abused, but my bestfriend once told me she had been sexually abused by her grandfather as a child, and also her father was violent towards her mother. She already had like 3 boyfriends who were abusive towards her, and its obviously not her fault, but i see sometimes when she starts dating guys that i recognize some disturbing patterns and warn her about what the guy might be in a relationship (possesive, violent, etc) and she listens but then continues to date this type of guys, almost like she doesnt realize it until she talks it on therapy or to me. Im sorry if this offended anyone but im really interested in the topic and dont really buy all the hate Freud gets.

Thank you. You can read people use his work all the time in the field

Yeah! I actually came looking for a video like this because I was sorta frustrated with just how much we were talking about him in my psych class. The teacher sort of glossed over the fact he was debunked and has us analyze profiles using Freuds tactics which just.. confused me? Man schools are weird sometimes

Haha

He was right, she's cherry picking.

@@jhowever9126 No, you're either cherry picking as well or just inattentive. (The second option is better.)

Freud was groundbreaking. But he was also very incorrect much of the time.

"True dat" -Diogenes the Cynic

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Except for all the stuff he did, sure.

@Grompf Grouik Criticizing Freud is fine. I think he can take it. I doubt the eugenicists in the then-psychology field at the time would appreciate criticism by comparison.

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It only made her uglier, no thank you!

I have to disagree I think today we've gotten much better at rigorously testing ideas before the general scientific community uses the word "Know". a lot of what we "think" today probably will be proven wrong.

I'll see you in 100 years!

well, not in mathematics

@@bobus_mogus Or in Physics. The Newtonian ideas are still valid today under certain assumptions. The problem with the psychology, and that's why i don't consider them as a Science, is that their results weakly depends on an objetive review of results obtained via the Scientifical Method. How do you support some kind of therapy when you don't know if the things that are you treating are at least real? Every psichologist that i knew plume Freud, (the psychology's Father) even when is well documented that he lied in the results with patietns. (Also they were very strange people, i think that they have emotional problems and want > for themselves). Eventually Neurology will absorb the psychology's area.

@@ceber54 I could not agree with you less (aside from the physics part that's true),. My father was a psychiatrist and I've known many psychologists and even taken some psychology classes, most psychologists I've known are completely normal people, the scientific method has been used to identify many helpful kinds of therapy, and they treat things that are very real to the patients. I admit the field has more inconsistencies than others mostly because the same treatments don't apply to different patients and thats due to the complexities of the brain. Neurology doesn't even come close to covering the "area" of psychology, because of how much of psychology is based in behavior.

Why though?

@Mr. 8-Bit Doggo doubt that

Curly privat Not true

The unconscious mind is the mind at a level of functioning that's always processing information even though we're not aware of it. It's why we can be suddenly sad about a breakup that we thought we were doing fine about. Unconsciously, we didn't deal with it. Lol "unconsiousness" is technically a state, the way that I'm high right now is a state of consciousness

@@danielledorchester9739 I thought that was the subconscious .

@@Jeff121456 I agree. I think they are confusing unconscious with SUBconscious.

Unconscious is a parallel process of "thinking" with its own rules and phenomenons involving representations and affects, derived of the repressive processes of pre-conscious and conscious instances.

The face of a triggered feminist.

That's the point of deadpan: to raise the ridiculousness of the joke.

a psychoanalyst would have said that it was her resistance to the envy of penis itself manifesting, proving that it is true. AMIRITE?

she clearly suffers from penis envy.

@@chaostade4087 ...really?

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@@ozapata1977 ok

Absolutely agree. Classic american attitude towards complexity in all its forms. I can’t help but find it extremely irritating and almost insulting towards one of the most influential thinkers of the last century.

Valeu Rodrigo. Discutir com o americano comum é difícil. A razão toma conta de tudo e qualquer que for a forma integralista de perceber a vida oferece risco a hegemonia egoica dos EUA. Aqui no Sul do Equador seguimos em resistência. Abraço.

Yea it disturbed me to hear her refer to him as an “old dead bearded wrong dude”. As if Galileo, Newton, and Einstein weren’t wrong as well. And it’s easy for her who stands on the shoulders of giants to refer to him in such a way. The arrogance in her turn is why I can’t take this video seriously.

Ikr

I'm glad to find at least one comment sticking up for Freud a little bit. All we were given in this video is the usual take from our intro to psychology courses: "Freud thought everything was about sex ha ha ha! Now let's talk about Watson." And she seemed to imply that the Humanities' handling of Freud is naive and that psych students are equipped to go into these classes and set the record straight. Freud's role in the Humanities has nothing to do with diagnosing or treating mental disorders; that remains psychology's charge. Freud's role in the Humanities has relevance to art, literary criticism, and philosophy. He was a very broad and complex thinker, and it's a bloody shame that thousands of people are walking away from this video thinking that there is nothing to be learned from one of the most important figures of the last 200 years.

Ikr? To each, their own I guess

Influence is not always beneficial.

That is always the way.

He forged such a trail in psychoanalysis. Why does it seem millennials want to trash our 'beginnings' of things? No one gets it right the first time. Give the guy a break!

@@KimberlyLetsGo mainly because they think they know everything and think they are perfect. Post millennials do not seem to have this issue.

@@KimberlyLetsGo Making the mediocre hailed out to be treated as if very special is part of the reason for that, participation trophies, saying that you are as good as the next kid over and not acknowledging the actually talented as talented kids and folk is what lead to how people think today. There's boosting confidence then there is rewarding mediocrity, giving them a sense, a way of thinking that leads to them to see that they can be as smart as the one who's gone through psychology schools, as those that intellectually look through things, phenomenon and the like in a scientific lens when their talents are places elsewhere far away from those fields, not realizing their _real_ capabilities.

@Quincy DeClarke while also ignoring any data that does not fit their agenda. EG 90% of homeless in the western world are men.

This is a problem in every scientific field sadly. Just look at Corona virus vaccines and flu vaccines, they under skew every statistic they provide

@@gn.punpun Sorry, over here we trust the scientific method and empirical evidence. Nobody is falling for your vague gestures at an imagined problem.

@@Cobalt985 imagined problem? Who even brought up the scientific method as an issue? Maybe your smooth brain can't comprehend that statistics can be easily manipulated since the statistics are always based on assumptions.

Yeung is an actor hahaha

did u meant carl jung ? sorry if i am getting it wrong but i never heard about any yeung

maramolly snow 😳 Freudian slips here? ‘Teached’ and ‘though’’ . . . Try proof reading before posting your comment!

@@sirmeowthelibrarycat 😆😆😆😆 omg

@@sirmeowthelibrarycat why did you switch between singular and double quotation marks? Try proofreading before posting your comment!

And lacon

"Jung was like Freud, but even more wrong and without the good bits."

@@mightyNosewings how do u know its wrong

@@minervali631 Lacan

@@latanezimbardo7129 Science. Not entirely sure how that wasn't obvious. Plus, while he tried to pioneer some of his own ideas, like the notion of archetypes, which pissed off Freud, his ideas were based on language and literature, i.e. nothing more solid than Freud. Granted his ideas haven't all been completely abandoned, though, like Freud, they're but a....shadow of their former selves.

He also defined aggression as well as catharsis.

How did he understand sex?

He actually understood very little on many of those topics. He just pretended to-he didn’t hesitate to pontificate on subjects he knew nothing about. Freud is the intellectual forerunner of the Kardashians.

@@ReflectedMiles If you actually read his works you'll understand what I'm talking about. Many people dont read his original writings and base their knowledge on what other people say of him.

The Docotor Because I am not an expert in those fields and, unlike Freud, recognize that I am not, it’s a much more salient discovery to read those who are experts in those areas and see how they view Freud’s declarations and theories in their fields. I have yet to find one who reviews his contributions as those of an esteemed colleague.dealing deftly with the evidence or putting forward transforming hypotheses. With Freud you get far worse than a replication crisis. You get someone who was apparently unable to make basic distinctions between evidence, postulations, and buffoonery.

Cómo se puede estudiar psicoanálisis cuando no se tiene ninguna guía? Yo lo máximo que he hecho fue medio entender los conceptos generales pero siento que no es suficiente obviamente Se puede hacer algo? O es estudiar/leer las obras completas directamente ?

@@HelderGriff the psychoanalysis path , just like any other human science - or Geisteswissenschaften like Freud used to say - is experienced through the world's transformations. Besides , even Freud was aware of that. That's why you should read a lot of comments in his writings like : tis subject needs more studies ; or This theory I'll give to the new psychoanalists to improve. But yes. The foundation of the theory is needed in order to get to know the epistemologic base. But to not let this knowledge fade into shallowness , you will always need the post Freudian updates. Lacan is my favorite. But in Spanish you can read these awesome authors. The Argentinean author J D Nasio is the one I like the most. Thanks

@@tukow89 Ok I'll take note, thank you

@@HelderGriff anytime buddy

We also have a lot of "saints" and "miracles". The fact that we got interested in this pseudoscience does not convey that any other country should too.

Why? They’re only going to go with the modern idea that it’s normal. Up until a few years ago, it’s was considered a disorder but political pressure and money the changed the DSM V. You can’t trust the world of modern psychology. Seriously look it up....

@@dirtymeatball6315 I have looked it up, I'm fully aware. What I meant was I video about the condition-if you will- *and* what you were saying.

@@dirtymeatball6315 Gender Dysphoria is still considered a disorder under the name of Gender Incongruence by WHO. Transition helps.

@@dirtymeatball6315 what a tard u r

@@jokerxxx354 said a Nobody

Here's maybe a better question for you: why doesn't continental philosophy also reject Freud? Why aren't they interested in truth?

Yes, this was a very disappointing video. Very one-sided.

Freud's critics obviously need help.

Can we all agree on that some missconceptions of Freud comes from bad translattions?

Agreed, the concept itself is completely flawed and evident of a lack of deeper and broader awareness than the current moment and media narratives for simpletons permits.

No, that is dumb, you don't critique people as an academic if you don't even know if your theory (metapsychology of Freud) is right or wrong. That is intellectual hubris and demonstrates why psychoanalysis has to die a gruesome horrible death quite frankly. What did Freud bring psychology? We already knew sexual behavior was not limited to reproduction, that was taught by the Church for centuries and it is self-evident, what is problematic is when you *disconnect* pleasure from the reproductive act. Parents and other people influencing us? We already knew that too, it's just that we didn't talk about wanting sex with our mothers as babies. Having read Freud on what he says about sex, and studying this in college like it hasn't already been refuted unfortunately, I can see the degenerate nature of Freud influencing what he believed everyone went through, he was messed up in the head and his book "On Coca" and everything which surrounds it is proof enough. He sought glory, that's it, all my professors even psychoanalysts are honest enough to say that, and that was his role, being drunk on fame and popularizing certain theories. Stop defending the fraud, we have to move on. Read the 700 page book called "Freud : The Making of an Illusion" by Fredrick Crews. Enough is enough, I'm being taught this stupidity in psychology class as the *only available* course in clinical psychology, that is pathetic. *If you like him, that's on you, but psychology as a scientific field of study has to move on.*

Yep, they needed to do more research on that one

@@bluesmurff6163 Its because Freud did use both nomenclatures interchangeably and so do those who practice it. Its debatable were you can call them different or not.

Exactly. They've no clue what they're talking about. Freudian psychology can be observed everywhere. If I squeeze a guy's balls who's double my size and can squish me if he wanted around a large crowd, he gets emasculated and doesn't hit me. He becomes "tamed". I've done this so many times. At least a hundred times by now. Never once been proven wrong. And nobody thinks of Freud as an old dude who should not be spoken about

they literally did crash course psychology episodes on these distinctions. People who pretend Freud is at all relevant are people couching revolting ideas that should've died with the 19th century (see comment above)

@@aradhyaislam1592 so you admit to serial sexual assault. Not exactly the kind of person anyone should defer to for these issues

Let me guess, argentinian, right?

@@Death6man jaja, yes, you're right!

@@federicol3457 solo nosotros seguimos defendiendo esta pseudociencia jaja. Ya he leído Freud y Lacan, no niego la utilidad del psicoanálisis como terapia... Pero para explicar la génesis de los síntomas, deja muchísimo que desear jaja.

@@Death6man bueno, pero decir lo que plantea el video me parece exagerado. Sigamos los argentinos y Slavoj Zizek, defendiendo al psicoanálisis!

El psicoanálisis no fue hecho para EEUU, cuando llegó allá de la mano de europeos exiliados terminó deformandose tanto que Lacan tuvo que intervenir en su famoso "Retorno a Freud". Son el único país del que Freud mismo desconfiaba. Sigue habiendo psicoanalistas practicantes en EEUU, particularmente en Nueva York, pero cero producción intelectual de su parte.

References are in the video's description

For example? Most people seem to be pretty chill with the idea that humans have thoughts and we can research the consequences of that.

''Familiar Constellations' allegues to help some people also. ..........

and that's fine! Tarots too. and there's nothing wrong with it. Everyone finds their way to cope with pain and existence

Never let an Appeal to Difficulty determine the factual accuracy. Some facts are complex and difficult to comprehend. Know when an argument from incredulity is in play.

Also, not so much in Germany. Lots of outcries of the new laws requiering to register some patients who might just seek help as a "danger", but no self-reflection how misuse of psychology in court made that politically inevitable.

Freud responsible for eugenics

@@manwhich8916 More Galton

There is a mountain of evidence for how psychologists have been completely wrong but it became common knowledge Like. The roles we give to men and women Which is Completely illogical Or the thousands of unethical psychological experiments like how twins were separated to figure out nature vs nurture. Or something that happening right now solitary confinement as punishment. This comes from psychologists false claims that negative reinforcement is effective. You may know about the “alpha dog” theory were the owner. Imposes pain via physical or mental abuse To create a good dog.

I think transwomen have a thing or two to say about "penis envy"

wow, you are such a prophet, congratulations

guess what Einstein. Aristotles was right considering any environment that contains air or different matters.

Maybe she has no penis envy because she owns one.

@@jakeolthof Her annoyed "really?" reminded me of the German saying "Getroffene Hunde bellen" which translates to "Dogs that were hit (successfully) make a noise/bark" -> If you get really pissed because of a statement about you, there might be something true about it.

Freud is best known for proving tobacco is More deadly than cocaine.

@@songbird7450or perhaps...perhaps it was a ridiculous statement

It's common that freudian theories are misinterpreted. Most of his work is written for highly intellectual interpretation. Which is not accessible for many. Also his work was moraly controvertial sexuality, children, incest. It's hard work to read his work cause people read linearly

@@joacopallares3637 Only people with an IQ equal to that of Rick Sanchez can understand Freuds psychosexual theories

@@anniea3411 lmao Still, he has a point. Freud is not at all a simple read. I am highly convinced there have been generations steadily misinterpreting or rather misunderstanding Freud, simplifying his work to a point of little more than shock value, without actually understanding his reasoning behind his claims. Even the people who think that Freud is "debunked" now. I am of the belief that hardly any person, an intellectual or otherwise, has actually fully digested or understood his entire works nowadays. Even if they did, there is a risk of misinterpretation.

@@ivansalamon7028 I agree, some critiques I've heard or read from Freud works dont reference his actual works or books. They guy on alot of his study cases admited (I think on a salty way) that he fucked up on something during therapy (if you want a reference, im thinking of the Dora case)

Stop defending the fraud, we have to move on. Read the 700 page book called "Freud : The Making of an Illusion" by Fredrick Crews. Enough is enough, I'm being taught this stupidity in psychology class as the *only available* course in clinical psychology, that is pathetic.

Freud is the 'father of modern psychology' even though many of his theories are not useful or correct today. There has to be a starting point and it's not always right. It's like beating up Ford for creating the Model T; you can't compare it to a Tesla!! It was obtuse to bash him.

Maybe because this is an American channel. In my country, Vietnam, psychotherapists really appreciate Freud's work. I also heard that in France, Freudian psychology is still mainstream.

@@PhiNguyen-wm4kq No, in France he is not anymore in fashion today. He was quite deified in the 60's and 70's. Brain imagery and neurochemistry is more in fashion nowdays.

She probably thinks Freud was a sexist white supremacist

@@aeiouaeiou100 That's because he was.

Yup... the "really" bit was good, but this was comedy genius.

Old bearded wrong dude came up with his theory while high on cocaine and opium

Watch it again. It's not 11 cases. It's a meta-analysis of 11 different studies.

Super dated. Still better than the eugenics party his contemporaries were into. Freud paved the way for others to build towards neurology.

Oh I’m sure they will but because this channel is run by leftist, Marxist ideologues so you’ll get nothing more than a bias, ignorant slant. Go somewhere else where they give an honest assessment.

Is that the guy with collective unconcious?

Yep and the Archetypes, they’re his biggest contributions along with the Individuation Process

@@dirtymeatball6315 😆😆😆😆 omg

What are your sources for this? The Electra complex was born of Jung. It is a neo-freudian idea, so it COULD NOT have been a replacement for the Oeadipal complex, which came before it. There is no basis to suppose that it was some scheme to keep your girls In check under their father in all ways.

Freud described how psychological trauma could cause physiological harm years after the trauma. He was describing PTSD.

@@marksegall9766 No he wasn't, he was describing trauma in general. Don't make him out to be the prophet he isn't.

Marvelous Quasar Pork Man, I had heard it years ago and forgotten which disorder Freud had replaced abuse with. Here’s a source discussing the matter, and it is a controversial point of view. When I heard it, there was no discussion of a deliberate cover up or desire to “keep women in their place”, just an inability to discuss such a matter with Victorian prudes. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Freudian_Coverup

Yes, f**kin mental 🤣 and Western people still take this mentalist seriously 😂