Why Double Decker Local Trains Are a Stupid Idea 

Only Mumbai Metro can save Mumbai City by making Mumbai City jam free and can become a lifeline for city.

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I have asked it in askpt of your initial videos below 100.....and you answered it well.....thank you

We Mumbaikars want all local trains to be full AC at cheap rates, similar to Metros. This is a necessity inorder to upgrade the standard of living of Mumbaikars, this will also reduce hanging from doors and keep people inside trains, also frequency should be reduced to 2 mins per train

Rrts like train system is required I Mumbai and surrounding areas. I think it will be implemented in Mumbai after seeing its impact in Delhi.

Automatic doors are a must

Specialised coaches are must for mumbai for rapid acceleration- deceleration

They should increase station platform height equal to door height, should have barrier gates on platforms of train doors like metro 2A

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#AskPT: What if seat alignment change from current designs to that used in metroes, so that more space would be available to stand, and seating for some special citizens.

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Did u know Kolkata Suburban Railway system (local train system) is the largest Suburban system in India (it almost cover whole South Bengal)...and Just like Mumbai... here in Southern Bengal Local train is our lifeline...❤

The pressure to reach in time is one of the reason behind such rush. We need city metro system in Mumbai just like delhi ab Maharashtra government ke upar hai wo kiya karna chahte

I love the new Intro. Keep it for all your videos.

A Metro-like configuration can help but it will reduce seating capacity and increase the standing of passengers. The reduction of Long-distance trains in the suburban network will increase the frequency. Another option is to have viaducts to boost network lines and thereby adding more services and reducing overcrowding in trains.

#Askpt Is the bullet train in India double or more line ?

Local train me kaun sa coach use hota hai bhai? Koi technical naam?

The usage of purely Indian stock footage relevant to the topic is highly appreciated. Other channels often use stock footage of trains in other countries.

Can't we make double decker platform for the doors designed only for upper deck.

there is one main problem with Mumbai Local line setup especially platforms. currently track 1 and 2 are for slow down and slow up traffic while track 3 and 4 are for fast down and fast up. applies to both Central as well as Western railway. ideally, in a quadruple setup, outer tracks i.e., 1 and 4 should be for slow trains and inner tracks 2 and 3 should have been for fast trains. this way, there was no need for platforms for track 2 and 3 where fast trains do not stop. but main benefit would have been that changing trains would have been much easier. suppose if we are at Church gate and want to go to Santacruz, now presently, we have to get down at Bandra platform 4, then walk up the staircase, walk the corridor, go down the staircase to platform1 and then catch the slow train there to go to Santacruz, this causes crowding on the staircase as well as the overhead pass ways. but if the 1 and 2 were for down slow and down fast trains, then the process would be --> we would get in a fast train, get down at Bandra and at same platform on other side, get into a slow train and reach Santacruz. no need to climb up and down the staircase, only ones on the staircase would be those whose destination is that station. such tracks exist in lonavala Pune section where the stretch is only two tracks but it splits into 4 tracks at some stations so that local trains take the inner tracks (1 and 4) while mail trains pass through on inner tracks (2 and 3)

What if we could make metros above railway line? specially in highly populated areas

#AskPt. What are the hurdles faced by MRVC to upgrade signalling systems to CBTC and track designs for high speed rail?

Atleast IR must shift local train's electrical equipment into underslung of the train It will help increaseing capacity without adding any coaches. And make coaches interconnected and air conditioning

The only solution is more and more metro also development of other cities so people go to those cities for jobs too not just Mumbai. Kaafi jayda population issue hai

Waise me sochta hoon ki jo ICF Non-AC DoubDeck coaches hai wo Fast shuttle during rush hour ke liye use kiya jaa sakhte hai especially in Mumbai and Kolkata... For example- Kalyan to CSTM jo beech me sirf Thane aur Dadar me rukega. Similarly, Vasai - Andheri - Dadar - Churchgate/CSMT fast shuttle. For Kolkata Mecheda - Howrah via Bagnan, Uluberia, Santragachhi; then Kalyani - Sealdah via Barrackpore and Dumdum; Bandel - Howrah via Chandannagore, Serampore and Bally agar chalye to I think Mumbai aur Kolkata me overcrowding ka problem kuchh haad tak solve ho jayega... Railways long distance ke liye toh Fast Local chalata hai, lekin agar short distance ke liye bhi Fast shuttle service with DoubDeck coaches chalaye, jaha sabse zyada bhir hota hai, toh overcrowding thoda solve hoga..

double deckers can be used but .. with a new design which allows people to go on upper berth from platform only.. .like at every coach's end there should be a stair which can be made as spacious as you want .. for people to come down or go on the upper decker .. stairs should not be inside the coach but outside ... that will allow them to move faster.

#askpt How standard Guage so stable in high speed then broad gauge

Agar train ki design change na karke Stations ko hi double decker kar diya jaye or train ke andar har ek compartment mein ek stair ese adjust kiya jaye jisse upar or niche kahi bhi problem na ho or upar wale upar ke station mein utar jayenge or niche wale niche ki station mein esa ho to kaisa hoga??

for those who are saying, why don't we build elevated tracks above the current tracks, i want to remind them that, the trains tracks are not the only things which are there along the route, there are also many road-over-rail bridges, some of them critically important to road traffic. so, either the rail corridor gets built at a height where it passes over the road bridge, or the road bridge is broken down and recreated to pass over the double level rail train. either way, it is a very costly and disruptive maneuver. and technical thing is, building another road on top of existing road is one thing, |it is relatively easy, but building anything over live wires at 25KV is totally another thing. that too when the train traffic is continuous, the risk of falling debris is way too much.

2 min k stop m utarpana mushkil ho jaega

How about some "only standing local" in peek hours??? Hear me out!!! My POV (I'm sure many would agree) Time spent in train: 1hr+ one way 70% days i travel entirely standing. 20% days i get to sit for last 10-15 mins. 10% days i skip trains because of no space. Those who don't want to stand and not in a rush can wait. And those who don't care because they travel standing anyways would get on it. Ventilation needs to be improved/redesigned that's for sure.

Wow I was thinking about this for a quite long time and loved how you covered this in a video.... telepathy at the next level

What will happen if there are more people on the upper deck?

Flying raanee already chalti hai wide door ke sath & double dekar me interior metro jesa ho jaye to solution aa jayega , dadar chadhne utarane ki jagah side me raheni chahiye

#AskPT: Can coach number be increased to 20 in this local trains, as already long route trains have 22-23 coaches approx.

What if they remove sitting from few coaches ? So that more people can fit but they have to travel by standing

#AskPt Can you please say something about unknown planned city 'New Bagalkot' which exactly resembles Chandigarh

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Another menace in Local Trains is people standing in Half part of the doorways and thus only half part of the double doors is actually available for passengers to get in and get out. one easy way of cancelling this culture is to make it official that all exits must be from the side the train is going and all entry must be made from the other side of the door ie if the train is going to Virar, then at Dadar station, platform is on left hand side, the left-hand side part of the doorway (pointing towards Virar) should be the one for alighting while the right-hand side should be for getting in. at Bandra, Andheri, Borivali, it would be the right-hand side for alighting and left-hand side for getting in as platform is on the right side of the train. if this rule was made official, the door blocking situation will automatically become illegal. this rule will also help in passenger behavior when AC trains with closed doors become the Norm. perfect solution would be double discharge stations, but it is too late to implement it.

1st of all the same idea which is used in current double decor train is not necessary to be used Insted we can create double decor train my multiple platforms means 2 platform 1 on top of other. And trains will be just one on top of other

I got to know that dd coach and ac3tier coaches have same height, because dd has almost flat roof and ac3 has kind of parabolic cross section roof, dd loooks af it's unusually large, but it reaches same height has ac3tier's extra roof dome height, so height is not a problem

Is complete standing seats a viable ans useful options for local trains? In peak hours on experimental basis few coach can be made seating less, will be able to accomodate more passangers, the ones travelling shorter distances can choose to travel in those.

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Just like Airbus has upper level ingress/egress, it is quite possible for major stations to have a platforms on upper level too..

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I believe the doorway passage is important but the bogey design needs improvement if we rearrange the seating each bogey can accommodate more passengers easily. I see this personally if the seats took less space people can come in and out more easily and breathability will improve.

How about double decker platforms for double decker local trains?

Well you should see the Sydney local train, it is a double decker train with more space and comfort. I think indian railway should make double decker local train like Sydney.

In Mumbai biggest problem in local train people facing is of not the space but a problem so far ignored by all. The problem is 4 door coaches. Because of this in platform people overcrowding in order to reach doors. At the same time inside the train again people overcrowd near the 4 gates to get easy exit. When train come to halt from platform people start climbing even before train stop only to face the people getting ready to alight. This create a he'll of a situation for exit and entry. Otherwise inside the train people manage the space available. This exit entry problem can be solved only by increasing the doors . A coach can easily redesign with at least 6 or 7 doors in place of 4. This will dispers the density of crowing at 4 to 6 or 7 . Life will be easier. Standing space increasing means better commuting. Authority must think about this Otherwise when all trains come with closed door facility travel will become much more difficult as the density of traveling public per minute per train is unbelievable in Mumbai. Will anyone in railways start thinking this????

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(1) All 3 main lines ke beech me interlink karke uspe Metro ya local train chalaye ( for e.g. transharbor is interlink between Central and Harbor line ) (2) Western aur Central railway stations ko redesign karke Navi Mumbai jaisa dono tarf se utarne, chadhne ke liye platform

#askpt Instead of double decker trains, why can't we have double floor railway tracks. It will take huge cost. But considering land cost of Mumbai it will have good return to scale

Metro ka jaal bichhao Local se jaan chhudao❤

double decker local trains can be implemented with double decker platforms which would need a complete overhaul of station designs

At ground level we can use electrifying train above we can use metro and we need to update the station so we can use another metros too..

Mumbai - Nashik and Mumbai- Pune can also reduce crowd in local trains

I have a thought. Running only fast local trains In speed of 160. Trains will have automatic doors and no seats inside the train. More people can be accommodated. I think train should be 15 coaches and run only between CSMT and Kalyan.(I am considering Central Line only) Travel time from CSMT to kalyan even in fast train takes 1hour because average train speed is only 50-60kmph. If the speed is almost tripled then time taken will be only around 20mins from Kalyan to CSMT for which commuters can stand. And mostly people get down at Dadar only. I think train can halt at Kalyan, Dombivali, Thane, Ghatkopar,Kurla,Dadar and Direct CSMT. I think this thought is ridiculous but it would be quiet nice

what if they start running short distance trains like Dadar to churchgate or bandra to dadar, and have sittings like metro, people can travel while standing for few minutes, creating separate platforms for the short distance train will not affect the traffic of regular trains, this might not solve the problem of overcrowding, but will provide relief to the passengers who travel on short distances.

One thing can be done..... Defined entry and exit doors may be given which will ease boarding and Deboarding

I think their shoud be metro seating aarange ment type coach in local for shot distance travelers who don't want seats just wana travel standing

Hi Powertrain, your video was very informative, even i was talking the same topic while traveling in local train, i also came up with the idea of double decker train, but later i too realised that it'll be a failure. Suggestion: How about making a different layout for the local during peak hours Ex 1 : make all 15 coaches of local train with the config of single door system means for 1 coach only 1 single door which will open from top to bottom and vice versa or make 2 huge doors for 1 coach will open in traditional manner (mind that this train will be AC ventilated and will reflect design of somewhat our metro train) This train will not have any railing , seats etc which will create obstruction Ex 2 : during peak hours, we can use the above config train in split manner ,means out of 15 coaches, 10 coach will be like i explained above and 5 coaches will be normal current used coaches This will be really helpfull for people onboarding and alighting easily which are short distance travellers and also for long distance travellers (they can sit on those 5 coaches during peak hours) I am sure, this will be very effective for mumbaikars ,less chance of stabbing etc Please read this one ❤❤❤

What about two deck platforms as a solution.

By seeing yr video i assume that u dont travel by mumbai local Atleast on he western line Cuz when a virar fast arrives at dadar, it gets full by people living at vasai virar And mostly there only it gets emptied And also the most impt thing People living in borivali bhayandar area dont even get to get out or get down from the train as the doors are already packed by virar peps Soo assuming that a double decker train is operational here All the vasai virar peoples will go on the upper side And all the other stations peps will be in the lower side

coaches should be connected to each other, passengers can pass one to another

Well,The mainline double decker is useless for local trains but can design new coaches with big corridor and doors like mini double decker train and best example could be Sydney metro though some would say Sydney has less ridership but if the trains are more frequent it may work

Instead of making DD local trains, WR/CR can make use of metro-like design in the current locals. In metro, there is more space for standing and less place for sitting, if this is used then capacity can increase because of loss of seats. This is my opinion which could work but only thing that can save overcrowding is automatic doors and Mumbai metro

Need bothside platform like Thane Vashi track, also need 5 AC dibbas and other NON AC in local trains.

We should redevelop this local train system like tokoyo local trains

Instead of double decker trains, we can have bridges over existing local network and run trains on both tracks (on Bridge and Normal Track) also at station level we can have platform on bridge itself, to minimize infrastructure rework we can have only fast stations such as Thane, Ghatkopar, Kurla, Dadar, CSMT as double platform stations so that fast trains will run on bridges and slow trains will run on below normal tracks. also wherever road bridges crossing over rail line we need to elevate these bridges as we have done in Metros. This will surely double the capacity if we manage crowds at stations particularly fast stations. this will generate revenue to railways in long run such as extra space for shops and advertisement. Also considering special trains for long distance trips such as Badlapur, Virar which will not halt at unnecessary stations which will reduce travel time for long distance commuters.

make road connectivity from Virar Vasai and also trams track

Wait for metro network to build out and expressways to complete. This pressure might not exist. If you still want double decker, think as stacked. Top layer will exit on its own platform level

Absolutely enjoy your content. Although, I do have a suggestion, consider making them in English.

I m in railway signal dept. Mumbai suburban root are already automated signal.. Only solution is either make metro route or extra track for local..

In order to launch double decker local train there should also be double decker platforms so that upper deck peoples can get down and up in upper deck and same goes for lower deck

What if locals have two door to enter and exit

Please make a video on cbtc signalling system

Local mein seat ko hata Dene se problem solve ho sakhti hain

Double decker inner city trains can only be viable if you have separate upper and lower deck entrances and ramps and crowd control bariers. It's very specialised solutions done in only few places and it breaks the platform for standard trains. Double deckers in normal set up should be only be used in long distance routes.

DFC ki tarah HT line ki hight badha de to coch me head room jyada milega

Local train mw rows seating na karka metro k jasa 2 sides seating kar dana chieye-

One thing that can reduce crowd in Mumbai local that setup industries and businesses in all other cities like vododra Surat Lucknow kanpur Bhopal itarsi Indore jabalpur etc

It's not a stupid idea. AC trains halt much more time than normal train. If Railway afford that time this is affordable too. Also, it lower deck can be made same as metro where more standing should be there and Upper deck should focus for Long distant passenger with seatings seat. Moreover, Doors should be automatic too though it's Non-Ac Train as our windows are big enough and some ventilation design can be added.

What about developing metro in Mumbai like Delhi metro?

But they can use flying ranee and Valsad fast passenger coaches

Bruh do video on Chennai local train system bruh

What about Mumbai to Nashik & Mumbai to Pune Local train???

Very difficult Power supply cables wud b major hurdle Over head traffic bridges wud b second hurdle Rake design has to b changed thoroughly and its nt possible But yes, purely new rake has to b designed as per mail express double decker coaches Passengers themselves hv to maintain some rules thn only its possible

Best option he ki seats hi nikal de sab log khade khade jayenge aur space bhi badh jayega secondly doors aur wide kar dene chahiye jisse logo ko chadhne utarne aur chadne me dikkat na ho aur ye trains only office hours ya rush hours ke time hi chalani chahiye

Paris and Sydney mein toh Suburban Services Double Decker Train Use karti hai

Main line track k just up side metro bana de ye sab se best' idia hai jis stop Kam ho long distance ho

Double decker ke upar bhi platform kyun nahi panate yane 2nd deckar ke paas upar bhi platform banao🤔🧐

Railway chahe to 400 vande Bharat me 50 DOUBLE DECKER VANDE BHARAT bhi la sakta hai specially un route me jaha already double stack container, double decker, Autolinx car carrier chal rahi hai

@powertrain I beg to differ. Double Decker trains is not a stupid idea. Sydney Australia is a perfect example. But yes, for it to be effective in Bombay given the population, other modes of transport need to developed first. So may be around 2030 once the metro system is established and becomes the main mode of public transport.

Why is everyone talking about making a new transport system to decrease the crowd rather than city planning, making new cities and encouraging companies to build new offices in the outermost parts of Mumbai metropolitan city maybe even outside kalyan-dombivli city? That way you can change the crowd moving patterns and decrease the crowd and the most important advantage is saving time which mumbai needs it.

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We provide them charchgte to virar and centre line CSTM to kajrat route and kasara route

Bhai jaldi nikalne ka western per borivali se andheri, churchgate se return pakdo

Why ltt madgoan double decker discontinued???

In local trains usually small travel sitting areas should be removed is the only way .