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i guess the train speeds were not that high so flat surfaces didnt make much of a difference. also flat surfaces are easier to clean and they also provide a more clearer view to the loco pilots. now with increasing speeds, the aerodynamic structure will be required to reach and maintain higher speeds.
Some steps I believe are required to be taken in order to improve the railways :- 1. Track Upgradation 2. Efficient and Timely departure and arrival of trains 3. DFC’s 4. Track Doubling 5. Improved Railway Stations 6. Improving Ticketing System Overall 7. Separate lines for Cargo Trains and Passenger Trains 8. Better looking and aerodynamically shaped coaches! 9. 100% Electrification 10. Logistics cost should be reduced to a significant amount to improve earnings 11. Proper fencing around all railway tracks to avoid cattle 12. Skilled staff and skilled workers to be hired These are some steps which can highly improve the efficiency of Indian Railways! And according to me these should be implemented by the 2035 in order to become highly self reliant and to have a improved system of Railways in India! Besides all these older coaches and engines should be retired finally these are some of the powerful coaches but it’s time to increase the frequency of the trains rather than carrying 1000’s of passengers at a single time! Quality over Quantity is required now!
I don't think we will give any importance to quality. And maintenance of tracks and platforms by keeping it clean. Charge hefty fines for spitting and littering.
How about adding double decker coaches to our inventory list a lot of european trains have these kind of coaches and it is very much practical for our situation , as there are some instances when the trains are cancelled and the ticket checkers take in bribes to add extra people into the normal sleeper coaches.... if it was double decker it would be better not only for this situation but also for general compartment , who have to travel in horrible conditions .......
I still remember when we used to cross railway lines ..and when we saw the trains coming ..it felt scary ...it dosent matter whether it is square OT pointy
The Chad WCAM3 at the start 00:01 made my day. The Toyotas of Mumbai Division of Central Railway. Robust, reliable, low maintenance, and go anywhere as long as the tracks are electrified, be it DC or AC. They'll always remain one of the favourite locomotives of Bombay Railfans.
#AskPT isn't most of locomotive around the world are like that with little to less incline, the locos of america and Europe are same as the Indian locos but more sleek because of the better build quality. Most of the aerodynamic trains are mostly high-speed trains like shinkansen and vande bharat, which are completely coupled to each other for better aerodynamics. There are train set with power cars at the end (TGV and Acela, they are not emus) but they are also completely coupled to the trains, so i think instead of wasting resources on aerodynamic locomotive we should have more EMUs like vande bharat.
Also to add, extended nose would also work as a safety feature with crumple zones, and keeps the driver much away from the front, as compared to flat front.
Open windows, Open doors, gap between coaches cause much more drag than locomotive front. Just fixing these issue might result significant improvements in fuel efficiency.
@PowerTrain bhi agar hum locomotive ke sath kuch naya try karte ha Jaise WDG-5 (Bheem) ya WAGC3 to hum unka mass production ku nahi karte (Locomotive ki problem solve karne ke baad)
#AskPT I have heard many times that we don't have the tracks to run high speed trains, we need advancement in tracks. I want to know what type of upgradation we actually need. Since every other country has the same type of iron made tracks, concrete made sleepers than what we need actually???
The difference isn't that big actually. Most of India's railways have broad gauge tracks, to support more space and weight. Meanwhile in Europe, they use standard gauge tracks, which allow trains to travel at higher speeds. Along with that is the maintenance of the tracks. Since India has the 3rd largest railway network, it would take decades to upgrade the tracks, whereas European countries have small landmasses, so maintenance isn't as expensive or expansive. I can say this as I currently live in Germany, and have travelled in bullet trains of Germany, Spain and Italy.
Welded tracks with no gaps in between to reduce wear & tear of wheels. To prevent buckling due to thermal expansion in summer the tracks should be per-stressed. Moreover angular joints to be provided at places.
Also, high speed rail network is made without any curves, so a straight line. Also they are made in a separate rail track in Japan which also had a different rail track before bullet train ( narrow gauge). We need to build a completely separate track for high speed that is why it is always expensive and takes time. Europe and Japan built theirs decades ago and hence we can now see their extensive network.
Its not only about aerodynamics on the Loco, the Airflow along the entire consist must be fixed i.e. there are be wind vortex between the bogies which needs to be fixed.
If Indian Railways improve their signaling system in a way so that the trains don't have to slow down/stop every 10-15 min, that itself would reduce travel time drastically. So rather than focusing on aerodynamic trains, IR should first make it possible for trains to run at 80-90 kmph (with required speed reduction at curves) for at least 40-45 minutes.
do you know why train delays happen? Almost all our tracks if not all have gone above and beyond their train capacity. Some lines have gone as much as 150% the amount of trains the tracks were built to handle. Thats why govt is building seperate tracks just for goods train. Average speed of goods train in our country is 25kmph. Usain bolt's top speed is 43.99 kilometers per hour. Almost 2x the speed of our average goods train. Its a joke currently. Passenger trains are given priority whenever there is no place for goods train to run so sometimes goods trains stay on side tracks for 2 days. I extremely suggest you to watch the video about "Why is Indian logistics failing against China" By Think School. Most of these things are from that video, I follow other railways content and i think this video is most relevant for this topic.
For Indian railways hamari trains eak barme 1 to 2K passanger leke ja shakti he because of 20 24 coaches at max speed of 110 to 130 kmph bas existing max speed ko kisi tarah se 160 180 kar diya jaye to bohot bade level pe faida hoga speed badhega transportation badhega flexibility badhegi bas sabse phle double line sections banao or jaha phle se double he waha or double banao esh se traffic bohot reduce hoga trains ki avg speed 50 se sidha 80 90 pouch jayegi or shari trains consistent 160 180 kmph chl payege or baki existing tracks he unko upgrade karna jaruri he aerodynamic is good but our Indian Locomotives are flat & baddas powerful they are still enough to run at 160 kmph easily they need this basic improvement infrastructure which i said okay they need to work one single to double double to quad line sections low traffic double speed than current everything is going to fine
@@rajlahadke1784so Indians should not celebrate any achievement ? Was japan ruled by any country ? Logically Their progress will be faster than us… no ?? Aim should be 650-700 but that milestone will only come if you keep your motivation and celebrate your each achievement towards it. If normal citizens of india except u & ur type are enjoying the new service & feeling happy + motivated for future - let them be it. Japan also took majority of tech from Germany - india will also move towards it. Don’t try to ride high horse by comparing blatantly & getting a high by killing happiness of others.
@@rajlahadke1784dude there are no intermediate stations at short distances, In india we have cities for every 50km or so, So that much top speed is not needed for us
At the present speed, I don't see a point taking a train over the plane. If the train price is 2/3rd a plane's price, why should I take the train ? The only way to beat it if you have high speed trains which is priced as 2/3rd a plane's price. There has to be a time : price balance. Currently the trains are all super slow , even the so called premium trains.
Bro not any train in India is running on 140 maximum speed limited to 130 cause fencing is not done yet it will take almost 2 more years to reach the goal of 160 and square boundary locomotive are also capable of 160
Train ka average speed ghatia hai. Maine SMVB express ka ticket kiya hai, 60km/h ka average speed dega wo hi time pe chala to joki kabhi bhi nahi chalta. Speed kab badhega 😭
Your title is wrong! This should be "why indian train WAS not aerodynamic in the past" as now trains are becoming aerodynamic but still some partswere e left as it is.
Best answer is track acha bano fir train bhago sleek kya keroge indian railway ko dekte tho bohot purane zamane ka lagta hai stations trains even track society ham log still a developing country agar modi ji ke bat sach hote hai aur indian 2047 tak development nation hogaya thk shayad ye sab change hoga
Bhai ye Kya Baat Hui. Aap ne toh aaple ko kele se compare kardiya. The comparison of alcos with trainsets. Not correct isn't it. Have you observed the electric locomotives of IR and compared it with let's say Siemens vectron, or Russian made locos or Abb locos? They have similar front design. On the other hand if you have seen locos of GE or EMD used in USA, they have flat face. Why do you think, having so many resources and money why did they not switch to aerodynamic design?
What they are going to do? Do you have any idea how much money govt allocated railway for any R&D? Considering the ammount of shortage of engineers and how they weren't replenished since 2019, it's these "substandard" engineers keep Indian railway running against all odds
I generally consider Indian locos as ugly. It's not abut aerodynamics, but railways haven't heard the word aesthetic before Vande bharat. It wouldn't cost much for IR to build locos in the same proportion of LHB coaches with aerodynaic properties. Even Vande bharat trains run on regualar speeds, so there's no point in investing some 300 cr rupees per trainset when they can build push pull trains with LHB coaches with Vande bharat features and beautiful looking locos on each end. Many European countries still doing it.
I think our recent Wap 5 and Wap 7 locos look modern enough compared to other countries. We just perceive them that they don't look that good because we compare them with High speed trains and not semi high speed trains.
You are comparing Indian locomotives with trainsets from other countries like ICE, TGV, Shinkansen, etc. These are EMU like trainsets with traction motors on multiple coaches (much like our own VB trainsets). High speed trainsets generally have aerodynamic design, sealed gangways, etc which are not possible in a locomotive hauled 20 coach train like we have here in India. Check out some Deutsche Bahn locos: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Deutsche_Bahn_AG_locomotives_and_railbuses DB 101, DB 143 (DR 243) haul passengers. They don't look too much different from out own WAP-4, 5, 7 locos, and are definitely not very aerodynamic. Some from the UK: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_British_Rail_modern_traction_locomotive_classes Class 67, 68 haul passengers (68 looks sleek and aerodynamic tbh)
What I dont understand, get the nose-cone manufactured by Tata and Mahindra... kya dikkat hai.. just look at how easily they have mastered the craft of making aero cars, similarly they can also design the loco / train noses ...already FRP nose of vandebharat is being manufactured by a polymer manufacturing company.. where is the issue?
Indian Railways speed ke mamle me baki duniyaa se bahut piche he, Humko ab speed pe jyada dhyan dena chahiye, kya pata fir Modi jesa prime minister mele na mele
