I'm 21 and I secretly want to be a fn pro but I know that if I go back to playing 6+ hours everyday, I wouldn't do well at work, id spend less time with my family, and my health would take a massive hit. It's just not worth it.
It's not worth it. Also Fortnite competitive is full of DMA cheaters. It's a shame, because zero build FNCS would captivate the world and overshadow og mode.
I got pretty good at Fortnite but I worked nightshifts and would get home n play then go to sleep or sometimes not lol but got to champions in arena all I did was smoke weed and drink beer and play fort and go to work lol
I think the experience factor is still so important for so many of those games that being able to predict ends up more important than raw reaction time anyway
@k.a.8725 I wouldn't say it's less reaction time per say - there's absolutely players that use excellent reactions and anticipation to succeed, even if the combos and sequences they do are suboptimal. That said there isn't really anything in fighting games that does near instantaneous damage like shooters so being able to react as quickly isn't as important.
@@mAny_oThERSs Oh it’s definitely reaction time all the way. For instance: in sf6, getting hit by DI will put you in a vulnerable state in the corner, and you have around 1 second to react and counter it, otherwise you are in trouble. There is also something called Whiff Punish, which is you reacting to your opponent pressing a button, find the right distance for his attack to slightly miss, and counter punish that missed attack for a massive combo damage. Muscle memory deals mostly with the continuation of the combos or trying to come up with the most damage combo at the moment, but not much about the neutral game.
Maintaining a lead at 18+ when you are at the top, nothing left to prove and all that money to enjoy and other things to do, while talented teens in their thousands with nothing but time on their hands are drooling in front of their screens for 10 hours a day wishing they were the guy on top, completely hungry and consumed by the idea of being the best, that's a tough position to be in and no wonder these best players come and go so quickly.
As an older player that started back in ch1 s3 at 31 years old, I've never thought of going pro. I've just tried to to better each day and get more exposure to better players. I have seen my progress explode over the 6 years of playing, but I need to hone my game sense/edit speed. Great content as always @Reisshub
I’m 42!! I’ll never stop trying to get better. I love this game and will probably be the last one on the battle bus! Love your content sir and watching comp. Never to old for gaming! 😂
Jivan is 26 is top 100 in NA. Most top 100 pros in their region, are above the age of 18 or 20, and not just fortnite but every game. I don't know where you, Reis, and Aussie antics get this idea that teenagers are peak performance it's kinda delusional. Cope maybe? To explain your lack of talent as a player. - 30 years old and top 500 in my region
@@boleooojbro are you high? U watched the vid? And thats no what the three ppl u mentioned say - they will tell you the best in the game are generally around that 18-20. This video just uncovers statistics rather than the reality of what top players dominate.
@@dirtscootrfn bro I’m saying that he roasted OCE by saying that they don’t count cuz OCE isn’t a good region, I know he’s Scottish but it doesn’t change what I said
The feedback I wanna give on this video is that if you are a young 18 year old kid aspiring to be a great Fortnite player , don’t stop just bc he said statically it won’t work . If the world ran on statistics then people like mj and lebron wouldn’t even exist ! Dream big
Thank you so much, I've been working really hard the last months to go pro, I'm 30 training at least 4 hours everyday and this is really helpful besides inspiring me and giving me hope
I think most things described to genetics and age factors have minimal impact on performance, the main cause is the emotional stress that comes with growing up and society pressures which you described that take hours of training away. It's nice to see someone your age talking about this and it adds credibility. Also idk about fortnite but pro players don't make their money only from tournament winnings, in others games it's only a small portion when you're in a good org
As someone who started 2 months ago with 100 pr currently at 18 years old, this was quite motivating. I feel as though my skill is slightly plateauing though it is more probably that it is simply a decreasing rate of improvement. Not age related :)
It's not reaction TIME that matters, it's the reaction QUALITY that matters. Experience matters! Also, older players are usually able to get better internet connections, better equipment, and such.
One thing I wanna mention that may have an effect is called “hyper vigilance” it’s a thing your brain does as a response to trauma but I also suspect it has some effect on your look doing latency, like for me (yes I’m 17) I notice more stuff than my duo does in game partly because of that so that may also have an effect on your skill as you get older
The topic is far too complicated that it doesn't even make sense to publish a study on it because it has so much to do with how a person eats or whether the person does sports - these are things that have extreme effects on the reaction time and how quickly you Information is processed and we humans don't all live the same way, so you can only apply this to the majority of the general public who always live unhealthy lives or who only live healthy lives, but these statistics only show the unhealthy general population for the most part and if you look at athletes The prime time is often 30 and if you look at athletes there are enough athletes who are even faster at 30 than younger people who are under 20
When you're younger, your brain is more adaptable and absorbs information more easily due to neuroplasticity, which is most pronounced during childhood. I often think about Mongraal, who at 20 is still highly skilled but perhaps not at his peak anymore, possibly hitting a skill cap. Then there's Ninja, at 33, who has definitely reached a skill cap but can still transfer his abilities to other games effectively.
As a 20 year old Ultrakill fan that plays it regularly, I find no issue with the first few things you brought up, like knowing how to read an extremely chaotic situation. What I DO have a problem with, is learning how the fuck this game works and how people play the way they do, and without a proper way to learn and not much time in my day to practice or learn at my own speed, it's damn well near impossible and now my lobbies have gotten to the point of being extremely unfun to play in, the enjoyment is burning away as I start getting matched with players that know what they're doing and are extremely fucking sweaty. If I could learn Fortnite like I did Ultrakill in 750 something hours of playing Ultrakill now, I'd be just fine, if not better than a majority of players, I feel I have the capacity to learn and get good at this game quite easily, the only problem is I'd like to have a life outside this god awful experience of fighting sweats, and that doesn't pair well with Fortnite. I'm not about to dump tons of hours a day into it, and I especially won't if I have to keep trying to learn by playing against extremely sweaty lobbies. I got as good at Ultrakill as I did because it's a simpler control scheme with less going on compared to Fortnite's building, and because of Cybergrind being so damn addicting and easy to boot right into no hassle involved, just straight to the action that scratches my adhd just right, it was the PERFECT environment to learn and improve, and Fortnite just does NOT have that at all.
There are also other factors to your "look-doing latency". Usually 40 year olds are more stressed than 16 year olds, and that obvious has an impact, as well as how much sleep you get, and eating some fish might help too.
Hey Reisshub, been watching your videos because of how thought provoking and broad the topics you cover are. Your dedication to you craft is very commendable and I can tell that it has been paying off. Just curious what software you use to design, animate and render the graphs that you referenced in this video. Also how did you edit the numbers at 2:29?
the thing is tho. fast paced online gaming is relatively new. the current 30-60 year olds making up the data on the graph never experienced playing online games like we do today. We don't have the data on people who grew up with gaming vs people who didn't because games like fortnite (and other fast paced games that train reaction and look time) are not old enough yet. maybe in another 10-20 years we can have a look at this topic, but for now the data you referenced is not accurate because there are other variables not discussed or taken into consideration. like obviously an 18 year old that has grown up knowing nothing but technology and games and has been on screens since they were a child, is going to be faster and better at it than a 40 year old who never grew up with them, and never really played games as a child.
this makes a lot of sense because if I know where someone is on the screen my reaction time is still fast but my LDL is extremely slow for new and chaotic situations.
I really wish there were leagues for competitive Fortnite that were made for older players. Just like there are for tennis or golf or whatever. Seems like a great marketing opportunity that is currently untapped. Your video supports the justification for this idea.
@@kingemeraldbonesok8270 not about watching. Purely in love of the game. Nobody watches local league tennis but millions play it. It’s not pro. That’s not the point.
a good thing to compare also is stuff like mma. where the "peak" of most fighters is 33 years old EVEN THOUGH they are often physically slower compared to some of the young fighters. They are still better because of "skill development" wich is worth the trade off with physicality until about the ahe of 33
I just turned 18 and I started placing well when I turned 17 but just quit with about 1K pr a year later, let's just imagine this, when you start playing fortnite it's usually on a console which sucks to compete on, next you might get a slow pc at 15-16 yo and only when I turned 17 and got a job was I able to afford a pc with a 3070 to run the game well. Now I turn 18 and I'm studying engineering in uni working 2 jobs and have no spare time. I love the game and was ranked top 50 in my country for a while but it's just not worth persuing even though there is nothing I love more than playing fortnite I have 12000 hours played on the game and still love it but chose to quit because of my mental health. and also from age 13-17 man grow in length and are skinny and agile. I'm 18 6ft and 80kg and growing in width, It is so much harder for me to move my arms which are 3 times the size they used to be over my mouse pad than a 13 year old.
honestly if your to the point you are saying its harder for you to move your arms it sounds like you have never done anything physical in your life EVER. Hit the gym man, moving your arms should not be difficult.
'Look doing latency' isn't the only age factor, learning & adapting in general becomes harder with age. This is especially relevant as Fortnite is a continually changing game. I'm 30, I'm decent at the game & a fairly good learner, mentally I understand all the changes & have a rough idea how to play around them very quickly. Physically performing with those changes however proves a challenge to adapt to, I'd often play with a lad half my age- very similar in skill to me but significantly better mechanically even after barely playing for over a year. Comes back to the game, we do some 1v1 speed realistics, he has no idea what these new items are, but within mere minutes is already using them better than I have with a full week of exposure. I play with a few other blokes my own age & they're still adapting to the new items/changes.
W Video but I definitely want too say thiss: As someone that is 21 years old (turning 22 on July 16th) who wants too win an FNCS (on NAC). I feel like I’ve became wayyy better than how I was when I first started. When I was 15-18, I wasn’t able too compete in the high competitive seen as I couldn’t & had no interest in it. But when I became 19 or 20, I wanted too compete against the best of the people in Fortnite (still want too now) I feel like I’m improving more, I feel like I’m improving my awareness & other mechs. I as a player does have some PR but doesn’t have any earned yet, When you talked about players that are like that & they should consider that the game isn’t cut out for them, it kind of made me sad a little? Maybe like “sadly he’s probably right” but for some reason, I just simply can not quit or put my interest into another game too grind all day. I am 21 years old that doesn’t really have much priorities apart from spending time with family & going out on weekends too stores & such. I have also starting eating wayyy more healthier, exercising wayyy more before getting on Fortnite (& my body looks wayy better, just sayingg) & trying too have a stable sleep schedule which I feel like is working, just earlier, I played builds without warming up first & still dominated. I honestly simply refuse too give up, I feel like I’m playing endgames a whole lot better & just know that I could earn a lot in Fortnite even if the games’ been out for over 6 years (coming up too 7 now). I created a practice routine as well & so far it’s been good, I figured out what I need too work on the most which is mainly having an idea on planning the next players move. I want too make it too LAN (even if I am the oldest player competing there). I know I can’t give up because I feel like it’ll be hard work for nothing & too be honest, apart from recording Item Shops which I love doing, Fortnite is one of the only few games I love playing that I could grind & show that my skills are paying off. I was blessed/given a beautiful setup (saved up & payed for a few of the stuff) & I feel like this was for a reason, life sees that I want too become one of the best players in Fortnite & I know I can at LEAST win a couple of tournaments & an FNCS or 2. I know this is long but I just want people too understand on matter what age you are & want too go pro, you can still do it.
I’ve been playing for 6 years since I was 8, I’m 15 now and have noticed I’ve gotten worse than I was on Fortnite. I’d say I was really good by the time I was 11-12. Back then I could easily triple edit etc but nowadays I can barely even edit properly, my building aswell is different but I’d say I’ve gotten better with my builds. I don’t play Fortnite as much as I used to anymore and don’t really care if I can’t make it pro. I don’t want to constantly spend hours on Fortnite as I did back then and actually want to move on
I played from 12-16 years old every single day besides when injured (I'd even play while sick), and I was worried that after I took my break I couldn't keep up. Spent about a year and a half playing other games, I just didn't care for it anymore (like. I would play occasionally if a friend asked but not often. Came back and I feel like I'm playing peak performance which I hadn't had since Chapter 2. If you don't enjoy it don't try to improve your skill, you'll be slow to improve even if you're trying. Emotions play a big part.
You got better because from the time you quit to the time you picked it up again they got rid of bloom for bullet drop. It made a huge difference for me too. I also took a 2 or so year break from it and when I came back it was a totally different game.
Look-doing latency can be slowed with experience in game. When you play enough eventually certain situations will become automatic. Kind of like muscle memory. Not to say this would be a complete fix or way to stop it though
I think a good real life comparison to this would be combat sports, and fighters seem to tend to hit their primes from ages 27-33. But also you will see very high ranked fighters as young as 18-20 or as old as 40-41
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im better mechanically than ever before and im 26. I do have a Job and responsibilities but i find when im balanced between work, friends, outdoors, and gaming i find the most improvement
Most people that retire do it because of changing life goals. Not everyone wants to be a pro, can’t play as much anymore, and some became one purely by accident and just used that to make money for their true careers and aspirations.
I asked someone this same question and the say, " oh that simple, its because their just starting out, and don't have the required skills yet." 😂😂😂😂😅😅😢 ugh! My stomach still hurts from laughing so hard. I couldn't look him in the eyes again 😮. Wow!
I'm a 48 year old gamer dad, trying to practice every day just to become a better teammate for my son. First, I'm in awe of the effort you're putting in your videos and I really hope it pays you back well. Second, I so agree with the points you made. I come from a business consulting background and when I look at the numbers you can theoretically make as a pro Fortnite player, it makes sense when you're living under your parents support but for an adult the risk/ reward ratio does not look great. You can't grind games all day hoping for your "Bugha million" when you have to take care of your family members and monthly bills. If my son makes 100 bucks he will probably spend them on Jordan's or some snacks and feel great but to me it's barely a grocery bag and in a good day I can make it in less than an hour without much stress 😂 Third, in the realm of the adult world (unless you're from a 3rd world country) the amount of time it takes to get to the pro level and the potential earnings purely from competitions doesn't paint a pretty picture. But just like you, I just love the game (except for this season) and bonding with my son so I keep playing and hopefully improving at a snails pace.
to put it plain and simple, it’s called growing up and having responsibilities. I haven’t been able to play the game in years since i graduated due to having to cover life expenses
It's because when you turn 18, you tend to prioritise different things, with Fortnite not typically being very high up on that list... There just isn't the time there was as a kid to spend hours a day on the game
It's not the reaction time or reflex response with your physical movements, it's as you get older your mindset changes and you enter into: too much critical thinking and lose your instant response in other words blame your brain and thinking as you get older
I’m 47, played CS competitivly in my early 20s, (Earned around 20K in my career). Play Fortnite with my kids. Switching from CS to Fortnite was almost a setback. All my low sens, almost only horizontal head level aiming and movement muscle memory did not transfer over well. I had to overcome a lot of habits that are debilitating in FN. completely different ballgame.
@@cheerful_crop_circle The older you get, the slower your reflexes and ability to absorb all the information on the screen gets. I move way slower and stealthily than them so I don’t run into a situation before I see it. Red vs blue I get pummelled by my kids. There’s no real place to be stealthy.
Imo i dont think its anything to do with degrading because of age, but rather the people who do are just too comfortable. People like bugha, clix and others arent as good now when they were 16/17, probably cause they have so much money that improving isnt necessary and its not a big deal anymore. I think any 18 year old who wants to try out competitive would still have a good chance even if they are starting now.
People have to remember its genetics also. Im 38 and have great game sense/reflexes - but i also run a successful business that allows me a lot of free time to play on the weekends.
I think they get worse at 18 because that's when they graduate from school and they have to do adult stuff so less free time to play so therefore the skill degrades
I don't have earnings, but not because I'm not great at the game. I am, but my ping keeps screwing me up, my fps tanks sharply for some reason even though I get well above 100 most of the time, and most important of all is I don't have great teammates, like, not even close, and I just never play comp because of that. I actually excel in chaotic end games too because I'm ultra-aware and play smart.
"look doing latency" is practiced and maintained by playing sports and and maybe even music with other people. the key is with other people. The average pro player takes their mental sharpness for granted when in reality they're only good because they're young and have a healthy brain. at that age they probably don't even need to practice to keep their "look doing latency" fast.
