Why Helena Shaw Ruined Indiana Jones 

I appreciate that correction. Yes you are right.

How can it be after the fourth movie, there is no fourth movie. Indiana Jones is a trilogy of movies, and anything else is just a clumsy cash grab.

@@ultrademigod that's what I heard.

What’s it matter? Anything past Crusade never happened in “my truth” and it’s as simple as that.

And ... no explain cleay why Indi return to Nazi Germany knowing the great danger. In last cruzada he searching his father (and grial) , great reasons. Was Fantastic watching again but... Its weird.

That's feminism

You described Kathleen Kennedy. I suspect that she has a major hatred of Lucas and Spielberg and now... She's in a position to poison/destroy/ruin what they made... While insulting "failure fans" for not adoring her latest expensive train wreck of a film like we should. 🤮🤮

Totally agree Here's my thoughts on the film: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-aPohEA5ey6o.html

@@NuclearFridge1 Indeed. Steven once described how incompetent she was and remember that Steven Spielberg is usually very friendly and polite with his crew and stars. Kathleen saw an opportunity to get revenge. She even forbade George Lucas - the creator himself - from visiting the Indy 5 set. Now that is pretty much revealing,

In the Open Source world a decade ago there was a severe lack of female participation. Their idea was that the problem is *NOT* that women don't like developing, but there are just too many males doing it. Another solution was that making pink artwork for websites, bringing coffee, cleaning up the workspace and answering emails should also be considered "development". Of course, male developers producing code were considered "evil". That is how twisted the woke mind works. Note that the vast majority of the about 25,000 Open Source projects were one or two person projects, over 95% male. I've been working for years with persons I've never seen or spoken to. We don't need to, we email about code, that's all. So, the arguments that females can't enter a project because of abuse is futile - you can hide behind a handle. There are just not that many females interested in coding. But blame the men, sure.

Nah, they wanted their cake and to eat it as well. So they have her "turn for the good" in the end and suddenly she's no longer interested in commercial gain or self-interest. Even though the plot gives her very little motivation to do so (she suddenly feels bad about how she treated Indy?). Lazy writing for political points. It's the same old thing, the promotion of one group by the denigration and marginalization of another. Bad if you are on one side of the spectrum, heroic if on the other.

So true, but remember Kathleen Kennedy was handling the situation. So will make helena shaw survive and ruin the franchise in return

@@billyedsatiristry7952it’s her god father

That would've been a good idea ngl

hopefully in another movie Helena will get hers

ikr #justiceforbogman why did they have to kill him? to let her have her "badass" moment where she's like "im not gunna die for this" rendering his death meaningless?? to let indie watch his good friend die?? bullshite i tell you

Just watched this awful movie. agree. hmm hmm. when >> boat scene - indy says " my old friend just got killed" - she slightly "symphathizes" and then smiled after 2 seconds no remorse at all. there are also multiple shit tons of nonsense going on this movie. the scene where she runs and locks up indy on the university knowingly that he could be killed (guys are carrying a gun and even killed 2 people what is this? ofc we know that indy has a protagonist armor but don't insult us like that like a kid or better yet make it more realistically (where he escapes flawlessly, and then at the ending she decides the fate of indy? GTFO , to be honest all of the major emotional parts where the story is going, im really rooting for the opposite. , Indy staying with archaemedes, - at least he decides it for himself. THE MAN , THE LEGEND.(will be more dramatic IMO - a stretch though). the kid fly a plane through a storm? then knows how to navigate it (SMH), the kid winning on a huge man, the villains teleports to where the protagonists are. how did they get home? there are no runways on the ending just pure unbalance pavement full of rocks and the terrain is obviously on the seaside part! SMH i regret watching this trash.

The saddest thing is that this is what they wanted to replace Indy with, a heartless, soulless narcissistic sociopath. This is what Kathleen Kennedy (and by extension Hollywood) wants us to all look up to.

*rubs hands together* i like money

Helena Shaw is awesome and everything I dreamed for in an Indiana Jones villain. BTW I rewrote Irina Spalko from KOTCS into being a Russian mobster interested in selling the Crystal Skull on the black market for money. Same with Rene Belloq, Walter Donovan and Elsa Schneider, only I rewrote Simon Katanga as Belloq’s employer instead of the Nazis. Monkey Man takes Arnold Toht’s place in my version of that movie. I also rewrote Walter Donovan and Elsa Schneider to where Lucky Luciano is their employer. So yeah.

No worse than engineering a divorce in order to get hands on all a man has slaved for most of his life in the pro-femaie biased divorce courts. It's like this so a nation doesn't have to support a lot of women who get themselves into a bad marital situation and can't support themselves. They press ahead knowing the ex-husband will be forced to maintain a lifestyle they don't deserve and could never have achieved had they not been married.

Completely agree

well here is a thought. if we strap the character to a cage and lower her down in molten lava while shouting "Shakti de, kali ma, kali ma, shakti de, kali ma, hahahahaha" would at the very least entertaining no?

imo endearing

Have her captured by cannibals, butchered, and made into a delicious stew. That fate for the character would make my mouth water. Endearing, maybe not, but perhaps delicious?

You all sound exactly like feminist who complain about "mansplaining". It's pretty funny actually.

In this case, ONE feminist...Kennedy....

me when I miss the entire point of a character

Yep that pretty much sums up the whole bloody lot of them!

If she didn’t care about anything, why did she want to set things straight with him and his wife?

​@@babyyoda6549because Bob Iger forced Kennedy to revise the original ending after seeing a preview screening. There were many reports that he told her they absolutely could not release it with its original ending

That part broke my heart.. Like when I saw the trailer and saw his character in it I was so thrilled and thought he'd be in some part of the adventure but he wasn't. Like he pretty much spent the time in there for nostalgia to the point of his character telling the stories to his grandkids the adventures...

yeah. that is big time disappointing. We love Sallah

I honestly would’ve done the same if I were in Indy’s shoes

You have chosen wisely...

@@sapr76 If you had watched the last two......You have chosen, poorly!

Wait til Disney "remasters" the first three...

@@JB-ti7bl Yeah, and insert PWB into them to "aid" the original story

For real Indiana Jones ended when he rode off into the sunset at the end of the last Crusade

Exactly

Watch and wait. PWB is scheduled to take over that franchise too.

@@sder so, you not even once mentioned the flaws of the first 3 movies, cos that don't fit your agenda??

@@hyllaflol you are the one with the agenda. All movies have flaws. Not all movies destroy beloved franchises by being obtusely and purposefully terrible.

@@wisdomsdoorstep jesus wept

Not only that, her trying to trick Indy in the beginning costed some of his own teacher peers to get killed. And the movie doesn’t mention it again. Like he just saw their bodies and nothing else to it. That’s traumatic af

it wont last. cant see them doing much in future without harrison ford even if they didnt do it the way they did. the way they did it now will just kill the franchise off faster

I honestly thought that she was the villain, she even acted like it the entire time, the movie just tried to give us the perspective that she wasn't while she really was.

Well at least Rey’s not as dislikable as this one.

Sad With her. What has happened to American manhood?

@@marknewton6984 I believe she ruined the movie, I know, at least for me. But Harrison Ford will always be my favorite actor. Indiana Jones is my favorite character. I wanted those images of Indiana Jones as the young strong man he was in the 80s. Don’t mess with perfection. I didn’t listen to reviews before I went. My mistake 🫣. I can’t “unsee” it now.

Speaking of time travel: Donyou get the impression from the film that maybe these events have played out with Helena and Indy before? There are a few scenes that suggest it 🤔

@@Thunderroc18 Boy, if so, I didn’t catch any of that. The younger Indiana would have been in control.

That would have worked better

I think most viewers, women and men alike, would agree that she is an ambiguous character at best - certainly not the new hero to carry this franchise into the future - if that was Kennedy’s plan. If this film is struggling at the box office, imagine how #6 w/o Harrison Ford would fare. I wonder if Disney will dare to give it a try.

@@sder Wasn't it established in all previous existing real Indiana Jones movies that the side-characters who double-cross Indiana Jones and try to have him killed, all end up *dying in horrible ways themselves?* if as reported, Mary-sue jones actually tries to kill Indiana multiple times during this imposter of a movie, isn't it logical *SHE should die a horrible, gruesome yet strangely satisfying death?*

@@stevieray6216 Indiana Jones 6 will be the biggest hit in the history of the franchise if pwb's character spends the first 10 minutes of it dying a horrible death and leaving the rest of the film for the one true Indiana to pass off the mantle of adventurer/explorer to a worthy successor, Short Round.

Makes me happy Sound of Freedom is whipping it's ass

agreed

You only hate it when you don't like the actor. When you like the actor you don't realise they push that actor down your throat as you happily swallowed it. Zendaya, Aquafina, Julia Styles, Henry Cavill, Idris Alba, The Rock, etc.

Yeah, she wish, but unfortunately, she don't have a d***

This is only her first role in a blockbuster. How are they trying to "force her down your throat"?

@@Lalo-dh8xq by the piss poor way she was written. Super woke and toxic feminist that's how.

It’s almost like they do it on purpose. 🤔

I was disappointed to see Sallah because I knew they were just using him for nostalgia (and to put him in the trailer)

"It's a slow process. Which we call active measures . The first stage being demoralization . It takes from 15-20 years to demoralize a nation. The next is destabilization . What matters is essentials, economy, foreign relations, defense systems. The next stage is crisis . Followed by a violent change of economic structure & politics. Finally, there is a period of normalization It will last indefinitely." -KGB defector, yuri bezmenov. (we are on year 12 of the first step)

@@TexZenMasterlol we are well past year 12. We are an escalation away from the last step.

@@wisdomsdoorstep Millions will starve before the last step begins.

@@badofi I think Indy pulled off being an old man in the 4th movie well, it's so cool seeing him be such a badass in that movie. Compare that to the 5th movie where the most exciting thing he does is ride a horse down a subway.

Ke Huy Quan is the goat

Asain men are adjacent white so cant have that either. That's patriarchal

that would've been cool. Short Round takes the torch would've been far better than this.

@@Sagemeister007 yep. Could have a whole new set of adventures with Short round as the main character.

You guys understand how long it takes to make a movie like this, right? This film was likely far into production by the time the whole Oscar buzz and Harrison reunion with Ke Huy Quan was happening. It may look like a missed opportunity to you, but in practical terms they were already far along in another direction.

Oh yes it is! Oh, are you offended now? Bad luck. We men, and decent women, have had a gutful of rabid feminists and their systematic destruction of the values that made Western society great.

There is literally no degradation whatsoever...at all.

No one was degraded on except the nazis

yeah, this third wave feminism is sociopathic. Even the feminists from the 60s & 70s are regretting where it's at now.. even Germaine Greer is now seen as a right winger relative to woke feminism of today.

thats crazy 💀

Alien invasion?

💀💀💀💀😂😂😂😂

Birth mark I think. And its so small, she could probably easily have surgically removed without much trouble. I would if I were her. Remember Gorbachev's birth mark? That one was huge.

That's no mole, looks more like a dirt smudge she missed while scrubbing off in the shower.

Disney is so engrained in its ways that I imagine people will eventually turn away from the major studios altogether. They’ll ride the agenda train all the way to their own destruction. But we shall see.

KK should step out ASAP

Incredibly they don't seem to care. Their mission has become spreading the message, not making $$$.

​@@neonnoodle1169with the help of ESG, which is far more lucrative

Hollywood needs a mom to threaten it

How did they destroy him? I enjoyed him nothing destroyed about him. He’s was great in this movie. I don’t know what the hell kind of movie you were watching

​@@babyyoda6549Disney loves people that turn off their brains when watching their movies, you did a great job.

Agreed. It seems to he Kennedy's mission to destroy every character Lucas and Spielberg ever created. Imagine what she would do to E.T if she ever got the chance?

​@@babyyoda6549Indiana went from a respected teacher and professor who hunted trinkets in his spare time for themuseum. Now hes a bitter old divorced drunk that even the students dont like. He gets his freinds killed and Walter birdge gets to laugh at it. This Indiana is sad and depressing

​@@theturquoisedream9244I'd hate to see what she'd do to Harry Potter.

haha

It makes Temple of doom look like peak cinema

atleast Indy was the Indy we remember in that movie. if I remember right lol not this weak old man

Crystal Skull is now to IJ franchise what prequels are to SW franchise lol

​@@IASP17Well that's what he is theres 25min of young Indy the rest is old man with (indy)attitude and that who gives a... look frozen on his face, great.

True. The difference being she showed some human vulnerabilities and weakness. Came from nothing, bartender in some nothing bar middle of nowhere, etc. So, you could root for her. These days there is no humility or hardship. The characters start off as “badass” so they are hard to root for. It is just not a good formula and showed up here big time.

@@fitfogeyHelena’s weakness is that she acts with bravado to try and convince herself into thinking she’s happy with her life even though it’s actually a complete mess. You’re not supposed to root for her in the beginning, she literally starts out as a villain. You’re meant to root for her finding redemption through her adventure with Indy

@@hollyriver22171 Although a noble concept, a large percentage of people don’t think that worked out very well.

@@fitfogey I always suspected that Marion was a functioning alcoholic. She sure didn't mind a drink.

Yeah exactly, seems like most people just missed the point. Probably blinded by hatred as many were poised to hate everything about the film before it even began.

I haven’t seen a positive video about her on RU-vid.

Everyone is doing that though?

Literally EVERYBODY, laddie

@@tagir9123 Very glad to hear that. She deserves every bit of it. She is a toxic woman.

Not a great move indeed

oh man, good point - she even returned to the hotel owned by this very mob boss :D

No. You’re meant to think she’s stupid. The movie is not trying to tell you to applaud her for scamming the mob boss. It’s supposed to demonstrate that her life is super chaotic because of her terrible choices. Her whole redemption arc is premised on her realising she needs to change the philosophy that guides her life.

@@hollyriver22171 But if she is stupid and constantly making bad choices, how did she manage to survive all these years?

@@nerychristian stupid in the sense that she makes her life more chaotic than it needs to be. Not stupid in the sense of lacking self-sufficiency

probably just a coincidence

​@@sderNo coincidence, they are all beholden to being 'woke' and 'progressive'.

look up ESG rating score and how it affects their ability to borrow money

"It's a slow process. Which we call active measures . The first stage being demoralization . It takes from 15-20 years to demoralize a nation. The next is destabilization . What matters is essentials, economy, foreign relations, defense systems. The next stage is crisis . Followed by a violent change of economic structure & politics. Finally, there is a period of normalization It will last indefinitely." -KGB defector, yuri bezmenov. (we are on year 12 of the first step)

@@TexZenMaster It feels more like about 5 years into the second tbh

correct!!!

silly observation as this franchise has always had strong females

​@hyllaf strong not self-righteous and insufferable

@@svensmith1991 willy off TEMPLE OF THE DOOM is ten times more annoying, and is one of the worst characters ever in history of cinema, never mind Indy. But that's OK, cos it was in the past???

@hyllaf willy was just about the most annoying character in the indy films but she was set up as better than indy at everything she wasn't insufferable she didn't leave indy too die three times she wasn't a self insert from one of the worst studie heads in history was she

That’s a great solution

Agreed. I’ve seen clips of him in Fury and he was great

@@sder watch the movie Fury next time and not the clips. Just a suggestion. It's a really good movie.

I have an idea...one more movie. Mutt's body was never found. Shorty finds out that he's still alive, but he's kept in half-legendary ruins in Vietnam, thatonly a bunch of officers know about. He tells that to Indy, and they go searching for this lost city in order to save Mutt. Wow, the movie could even start with Paramount logo changing into Mutt's symbolic gravestone. I'm seeing it! And Indy would keep that from Marion, not to give her false hope after what they've been through. But she would eventually follow... Ok, guys, I need to start writing it down!!!!

@@wojtek5385 you and @RobotHead should be writing for Lucasfilm

He's an OK actor. Far from amazing.

Don't knock casting Amy Schumer in Indiana Jones so easily. It's not so far-fetched. I can see Amy Schumer being cast as the giant boulder rolling around trying to crush IJ under its weight, she can definitely sell it. Alternatively, she *could* be the comic relief if she spent the entire movie running around and screaming and being hit by various moving and flying objects. She sure would get more authentic laughs that way then she ever got during her entire "comedy career", even with the stolen jokes. Let me get this straight: pwb spent years selling *MISANDRY* to an audience of misandric women, making money and gaining fame out of promoting and practicing hatred for the male half of humanity, yet has the audacity to lecture everyone misogyny is bad thing? am I getting this right?

All I needed to hear was "starring herself as a confused, cynical modern woman dealing with stupid men, social expectations, relationships..." and I already know how insufferable she is. The standard feminazi basically.

Tbf 4th film did have aliens and a ufo at the end

That thing does exist, but it is seen as the first computer to predict the place of some stuff in space. It is the antikythera mechanism.

​@@etsequentia6765I think she could carry her co-stars as an actual blimp/zeppelin, and deliver a well rounded performance

You make good points, but it's worse than you suppose: she's actually a narcissist who can do no wrong. That's worse than simply being not human.

@@straightfacts5352 agree

And In her characters words she’s “good looking” or whatever the quote was.. she looks like a knee cap with facial features.

Helena was depicted as arrogant, greedy and untrustworthy. Last time I checked all those things were considered flaws. So she isn’t depicted as flawless.

2008 + 15 years = 2023

I feel old

@@filipbabic4913 could've sworn it was less then 10 years ago too man.😒

jesus...i was 13

I'm as old as an Indy film..

The Fate of Atlantis and Last Crusade graphic adventures are masterpieces.

That’s very well put, I appreciate the comment!

That's not what happened here. The toxic masculinity Indiana Jones was put in his place by a modern fifth wave feminist ideal hero. That's what KK is all about. Destroying legacy male heroes with superior female characters.

That doesn’t happen, this video is bogus. Maybe actually watch the movie. Harrison Ford has plenty of time to shine. The overriding theme of the movie is that you can be old and still live a valuable life, you don’t need to cling to past glories. Harrison Ford himself has said he requested the movie deal with this idea, because he relates to it so deeply. I’m not going to say the movie is perfect, it has some pacing issues, but Phoebe Waller-Bridge’s character is absolutely not the problem

@@hollyriver22171 considering I have seen dozens of reviews say she is an insufferable and irredeemable character (putting it nicely)... I'll take their word for it. One of the reasons why the movie flops, is no one is interested in seeing an 80 year old play the heroic lead, especially when they have been told he is upstaged by an insufferable, irredeemable, Mary Sue. There aren't many kids wanting to identify with an 80 year old, their aren't many people under the age of 60 interested in identifying with an 80 year old that is slapped around and abused by a Mary Sue.

​@@hollyriver22171OK Kathleen

Yeah, what's with that? Indy didn't have a problem with bugs in Temple Of Doom.

​@@stantonvalberg9814 It's called age

FACTS

We can only dream

YES! That I'd have paid multiple times to see. If they had found good writers. GOD David Koepp is horrible.

Harrison had issues with Shia and supposedly had him blacklisted in hollywood after Crystal Skull.

Apparently Ke Huy Quan walked off set!

@@markgent6081 huh?

YAY! Also, very well written

love that concept

That would be a good peace offering! I didn't hate the new movie, as much, as some - and did just barely find PWB's character... ah, evolved, by the end (just about) But the fridging of Mutt I did find unnecessarily bleak - even cheap, somewhat.

And you know she's just getting started... 🤨

It's about Hollywood retirement homes and female horse heads from Great Britain.

​@@TellySavalas-or5hfto bad

I wish I could have seen Raiders in theaters

But you can still watch Raiders, right? I watch it about once a year, and I can still do that despite the many sequels. How can something that still exists be lessened by a few sequels you don't care for?

What’s DEI mean?

I would love to see a screenplay for that, just to cover the stink.

The most widely agreed upon solution, if only we could make it happen

Glad I could provide healing

Love Plinkett! Yay Red Letter Media!❤😂

How can they have liars and thiefs, Peobe and the boy, as heros? The kid also killed one person unnecessary. Thats not a hero. Disney people are truly evil.

@@dinkeydink9376 Agreed but why are you reply to my comment lol

I didn't consider that route. I'd vote to bring Short Round back before recasting Mutt.

@@sder I liked the alternate story that RobotHead suggested. Imagine Mutt and Short Round were friends over the years, and Mutt comes to his dad to look for him as Short Round has gone missing looking for an artifact. Ir was kidnapped by remaining factions of the Nazis. So now Indy and his son go on an epic adventure in searching for Short Round. Something that old and all new audiences could get into.

@@noelv1976 Far far better than another mcguffin hunt. I actually thought of Short Round as a student of Indy's father. "Stop calling me Short Round!" "Only when you stop calling me Junior!"

Yes when she showed up in Indy's classroom/lecture hall I was hoping she'd be a nerdy likeable ally, with some transgressions and stumbles in her past but lots of admiration and loyalty to Indy. What a waste. The minute Indy's colleagues got pointlessly murdered and Hell in a Shawl locked Indy in with the thugs, I should have left the cinema and demanded a refund.

Sure we do. It's just that the only thing worse than a derivative, uninspired, unnecessary fourth installment turned out to be a derivative, uninspired, unnecessary FIFTH installment.

@@stevemcallister4965 Both movies are equally unnecessary. And I think writing Mutt to be dead was the easy way out.

I agree, the token kid was completely useless. He added nothing to the story and was only there for diversity and inclusion.. Absolute crap.

@@Theredrockretard yea agreed they tried to make a second short round but all of a sudden short round could fly an aircraft drive a car and have exactly zero funny moments or character in general

@@Theredrockretard @tavish4699 I heard another reviewer refer to the kid as ‘brown Short Round.’ It made me laugh no end but it was so on point. Both characters (Wombat and… brown Short Round 😂…) were unnecessary.

All the actions and personality as a villan. Like does her arrogance bite her in the ass at one point

And even then, he was better than Belloq.

Even then, Indy ends up saving the kids amd freeing the village of the curse

They stole the fridge thing from Mother 3

@@MutedAndReported3032 I am shocked. Shocked and appalled, I tell you. A Hollywood movie stealing ideas from somewhere else???? Who'd have thought?

Glad to hear that, I’m excited to see it

Plus hayley is charming at least

@@gelatinpowder1137 she's smoking hot, and tom cruise is the real boss ;)

Thank you sir

Once I can get my hands on better footage I will strongly consider

On the other hand, if the cap fits and you happen to be wearing it, “ what’s the problem?”

Reminds me of when Paramount tried to mash up Star Trek and Eddie Murphy.

"Oh no a woman with characteristics of a regular man"

@@ema-db9ri if the characteristics f a regular man were the rob your godfather ,risk him dying ,be a greedy whore who marries only to get a ring you can sell later and to be a massive snoob whilst doniig all that then this world would already be over