WHY HUSH IS THE WORST BATMAN VILLAIN 

That actually would have been really cool if they were able to pull it off good enough.

Telltale are working on The wolf among us 2 rn so I hope it becomes successful and later they can work on S3 of Batman. I love there games even though they've a massive illusion of choice.

@@Rav_Ram - Hey Ramôn! I've linked the thread in which *Matt* (who used to be a pretty big name in the Bat-fandom, back in the ol' days) explained why the movie was canned, after the link to the artwork. "Legions of Gotham has the exclusive look at the pitch art for a Direct to Video/DVD feature that Jeff Matsuda had wanted to make when he was working on The Batman! I don't know if you all know this, but Jeff is good friends with a certain Mr. Jeph Loeb. From day one I've been talking with Jeff about getting Hush into the series, and from day one he was hoping to do that. It never panned out, but he did dig out some great art he used to try and sway the powers that be at WB. We may have some more details on what was to be coming soon." "After the success of the The Batman Versus Dracula DTV, it seemed like another The Batman DTV was inevitable. And, actually, there was a second The Batman DTV in early pitching stages, a DTV which would have focused on Hush. However, Warner Bros. Animation wanted to keep the The Batman DTV franchise going as a "The Batman Versus Another Monster" series, so the The Batman Versus Hush (tentative title) idea never went beyond the pitching stage. Whether we'll see future The Batman DTVs remain to be seen." This is Randall Flagg again ^^ this wasn't the first time Hush was thought of for Jeff Matsuda's *The Batman* this time, I'm pasting a quote from Alan Burnette from this link: www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0703/01/index.htm "Alan Burnett, executive producer of Kids' WB!'s The Batman, revealed that this Saturday's episode, "Rumors," was originally intended to feature another character. "We wanted to do a Hush story, but I think DC wanted us to stay away from him for a little while, so this story turned into a villain whose name is Rumor," Burnett said. "He's a guy who's trying to clean up Gotham even more than Batman is. Trying to clear up Gotham to the point of homicidal activity. So he has to be stopped." Ron Perlman, who earlier played Killer Croc, returns to The Batman to voice Rumor in the episode. Here's how the episode, which also features The Penguin and Catwoman, is described: "A new vigilante, one playing for keeps, comes to Gotham, with his sights set on taking down the city's major villains permanently. Now Batman finds himself in the unusual position of having to protect some of his greatest enemies from this deadly threat."

Considering that Telltale is back, it could still happen

@@randallflagg3700 Probably a little redundant, but there are key differences between Oswald and Hush. For example, Hush wanted to be like Bruce, so he tried to kill his family, which is a significant contrast to Cobblepot. So it could be done without redundancy if done right.

Riddler was technically pulling the strings the whole time, which is why he and Hush are switched in the animated film. What's more, Riddler tells the audience that Hush's name comes from the nursery rhyme "Hush little baby" which is about a "spoiled brat that can't be satisfied." So the entire rogues gallery knew how fundamentally stupid and whiny Hush was, makes me want to laugh.

Yep, "Hush" being a grand game played on Batman by his rogues, would have been amazing! -- even keep Elliot's character as the fakeout with the dippy motive (killed off for real along the way).

I love this idea

This is smart.

@@jasonpratt5126 it matches with his name as well, Hush 🤫

What comic did he fight Clayface in a Jason Todd form before hush?

@@jesserussell9286 - I guess he means Batman fighting Red Hood after he drops his helmet, at the end of "Under the Hood" (which happens right after "Hush", I know ^^) In "Hush" Batman doesn't even _really_ fight Clayface in the form of Jason Todd; Batman fights the real Jason Todd, and Clayface just takes his appearance toward the end, pulls a switcheroo to allow for Jason to escape, and mess with Bruce's mind even more... ... So I guess he technically does fight Clayface-Todd, but like for only a short portion of the fight; the rest of the time, it really was Jason.

@@jesserussell9286 Detective comics# 606, clayface turns into jason todd robin and briefly fights batman

@@randallflagg3700 But that was a retcon. At the time it was written to be just Clayface.

@@monkeybreath21 - Oh crap, how did I forget that Mudpack storyline? I've always been a sucker for the romance between Clayface III and Lady Clay

Literally this. They were so close to giving him motivation. It even makes sense with Hush being the anti-batman. Batman's war om crime stems from his experience as a kid, but while more well meaning you have Tommy hold a grudge on Bruce specifically, with his motivations being more childish blaming Bruce for something he had zero control over. Hell, involve Mrs.Elliot more. She loses her husband and becomes bitter, and teaches Tommy to hold that grudge against the Waynes or something.

I honestly strongly agree with this. That would be perfect for the Anti-Batman concept, and would possibly add some potential depth and tragedy to Hush.

Or a another idea that would be cool is if his parents abuse him heavily so he begs Bruce to convince his parents to not save bush’s parents because of his no killing rule and Bruce promises him he will get people to help him but he fails and hush is stuck with super abusive parents because Bruce wouldn’t kill so hush hates him

Watch the movie the movie actually is a lot better than the comic

@@plugshirt1684 not a bad idea actually...

Underrated comment

Pretty much. I was waiting for that to be said. Hush didn’t manipulate anyone, Riddler did.

That is just in the movie not the comics

@@franciscoarzapalozapata4610 might want to reread, friendo.

@@franciscoarzapalozapata4610 did you stop reading after Batman’s last encounter with hush?

I hate when writers change stuff because the audience or reader figures it out.

@@nicoleackerman205 Like Hajime Isayama.

@@nick.19 what the hell did isayama change?

So in order to swerve the telegraphed reveal of a long dead character returning in soap opera style as a villain, they invented a whole new character, in soap opera style, with ex nihilo backstory and ties to the plot to serve the exact same purpose. Basically a conservation of hack writing trying to be dramatic, but with even less emotional impact.

A lot of the original writing team left that's why knight and city feel so disjointed.

@@porassrivastava8242 perfect way to describe the story in AK

Was a real let down. Especially with Hush looking like Bruce at the end of City.

When I finished the Hush missions in City I was so hyped for Knight to see how it would finish … I’ve never been so disappointed …

@@AHeroAlmost I hear ya my friend! I don't get why a ton of these threads couldn't have been finished with DLC. Sure we got Batgirl and all but there was a real opportunity to do a game of year edition or something and season pass to finish stuff like that.

Actually it was originally supposed to be Jason, but when readers put 2n2 together they chickened out

I LOVE HEART OF HUSH

Hush is interesting on paper but so hard to write.

I personally only go back to Batman Hush for the Catwoman and Batman romance story... That's the reason I like Hush personally... But the actual character, not so much...

Heart of Hush is actually a cool story, I agree

I prefer Professor Pyg.

@@minespatch hell yeah. He’s one of my favorites.

Yeah its cause hes really focusing on the shitty movie rather than the comic

Well atleast owlman did it with Alfred

@@lul911 I've read your reply out of context and was very confused for a while XD

@@lul911 what?!

I mean, Owlman is literally evil Batman

owlman used to be different started out like batman (parents killed by not him. fighting crime ect) only to learn his family was as corrupt as everyone else in gotham losing his grip on good and evil learning "nothing matters" in the process.

The Arkham Knight is well written fight me.

The arkham knight story would be so much better if after the Jason reveal another twist comes up that it's clayface being jason, who's actually dead and the real arkham knight is Elliot. It'll tie every single storyline together. Also the reveal would be heartbreaking because Jason is actually dead and won't come back. PS: just do the hush twist at least it won't be blasphemous to the Batman lore.

@@porassrivastava8242 The reveal we got was already heartbreaking. Jason was tortured for over a year and manipulated into thinking his mentor abandoned him.

Nah Arkham Knight would've been better if Jason's death was handled or flashed back to in Asylum/City

@@jd61215 Yes that would’ve made it even better but he was still fantastic in Knight.

Most people like it for the Catwoman romance. At least, with most people I know

I personally like it because Catwoman and Batman's relationship in there... it's the only comic book with those two where I see it as like a romance story between them... Unless there's a comic book that does that so much better ( if that's the case please recommend it to me... I would like to read it as I do like a good romance story in comics every so often ) I very much will always like Batman Hush. But do I like the character hush at all? Not really... I honestly agree with Vee on this one

@@biggiecheese726 oh yeah but that really didn’t go anywhere at the end and years later after the whole Tom Taylor run it still kind of gave all the bat&Kat fans nothing except a couple of good moments and then at the end disappointments

@@franklinjones793 I guess you can read the whole Tom Taylor run but at the end it’s kind of disappointing. Sorry not sorry

@@sammysamiam5219 - Tom Taylor? You mean Tom King, right?

Yeah, like Bruce's childhood best friend who we've never heard about before is the villian we've never heard about before, what a turnaround

@@alexmelling5261 they should have just had it be a robot controlled by Lex Luthor or some shit like that

I like Vee, but this is one of my big problems with him. He gets so much wrong so often. Like in his Arrow review accused the show of stealing Batman villains like Deathstroke, Count Verigo, and Clock King. All Green Arrow villains that Batman stole. Technically Deathstroke is a Titans villain, but he’s still fought Green Arrow more than he has Batman.

I'm really not sure I see the problem. He's complaining about how incoherent Elliot's motivations are and how uninteresting the reveal that he was Hush was. That can remain true even if Riddler masterminded the whole thing...

Would of been a lot better if he figured it out himself and not riddler in fact just being a pawn to riddler is his biggest flaw so what you’ve just said would be a good re work to make him stand on his own 2 feet

In order to make a character something, you actually needs to do something, which is quite the opposite of what he did in that game.

You can make something good out even tje lamest of batman villains tbh

I really don't like the Court of Owls. They just don't make sense to me.

I really don't like the Court of Owls. They just don't make sense to me.

@@jamainegardner4193 I was talking about the newest group doing that. They made a plane crash with every life Bruce has saved over the years. And when one of their thugs was saved by Batman, shot dead.

Everything and everyone has flaws, just depends on if you can accept them.

Dragon Ball Z proves you can have great villains but lame writing. The opposite is true, too.

@@1krani The writing in Dragon Ball Z's only lame if you watch the original Funimation and Ocean dubs. If you wanna talk about "lame" writing, then Dragon Ball GT and the vast majority of Dragon Ball Super. But the original manga and anime were well written.

@@pandogstudios1512 The original anime and manga had the good guys stand around and let Freeza transform, not to mention wishing Piccolo to Namek despite the incredible amount of danger it put him, and the Earth Dragon Balls, in. Not to mention how many times Krillin could've ended a big bad with a Solar Flare followed by a Destructo Disc. Unless the sub offers a concrete explanation for those things, then the anime had some gaping holes in the character writing.

@Pandog Studios i'm sorry but super is one of my favorite animes i get it that it doesn't have as much as the movies but the golden Freiza saga was when it went up in quality

A lot of people hated that change but personally I really liked it, it made more sense and I was actually surprised. I never actually got around to reading the comic, so when I watched the movie and they introduced Thomas Elliot who I’d never heard of before, I just assumed it was him.

@@KangarooMonkey so loved it. Riddler is kinda what help save the original arc. So him being Hush was perfect.

Well, yeah. But it's still not actually interesting. There's no meat there. You can dislike him, but you can't hate him unless we really get to see him doing the horrible stuff. You can't like him, because he's so obviously a utilitarian afterthought to the plot, aside from what he's doing in the story he doesn't have any characterization here. He works more as a collection of plot points than as a person, which is not where you want to hang your dramatic reveal in after spending months building up his identity. Internal consistency is good, but his backstory is basically just Bruce on opposite day with nothing built on it. Penguin and Black Mask both make better use of the same ideas and diverge enough to actually have a personality, which Hush never manages.

Don't show this video to Geek. He'll have a stroke.

I personally only like it because of the subplot of Batman and Catwoman's romantic relationship ( as so far that is the only comic book I have seen that actually takes their relationship to the next level... If there is a comic run that does it much better, please tell me what it is as I would be very interested in having it ). I don't like hush as a character though... They could have done so much better.

I will say that The Long Halloween is good until last 2 issues which are so dumb and moronic my brain melts.

"Sickening" lol. It's not that deep. People can like what they want. The word overrated shouldn't be used in a subjective context like this.

@Mastermind While Hush was instrumental in Riddler's plan and they did work closely. It was Riddler who figured out how to manipulate the other villains (at least that's my interpretation). And Hush was only in it for Bruce Wayne, Riddler used this for his plan to gain respect from Batman Batman: "I honestly didn't think you were capable of it. 'Criminal Mastermind' and *you* didn't come together immediately." Riddler: "That was sort of the point, wasn't it?" ..... "I used to be a somebody in this in this town. Now, everybody has a gimmick. I was going to show them all. And I *did* ." To me at least this confirms that the Riddler was always in charge and Hush was a pawn (albeit a very important one)

I agree with you... It was probably the worst part of court of owls and why I don't read past the part where Batman finds the court of owls dead and believe that they killed themselves

@@franklinjones793 - What do you mean? Theo was a character created specifically for the show *Gotham* , he wasn't in any comics...

@@randallflagg3700 oh... I thought you were talking about that one guy in The Court of Owls... I forgot his name... It's been awhile since I read that comment

@@franklinjones793 - No problem, you're likely thinking of Lincoln March ^^ (he's my favorite Talon, thanks to *Batman Eternal* , such a great ending!) Or possibly William Cobb? But anyway, in *Gotham* Theo Galavan is linked to the Order of St. Dumas, and becomes Azrael. You're thinking of the Court of Owls, and the Talons.

@@randallflagg3700 Yeah I was thinking of Lincoln March...

But Harvey Dent being Bruce's childhood friend only became a thing in "All-Star Batman" , about 15 years after "Hush" came out, right?

Harvey and Bruce's friendship traditionally happens when they are both adults.

Wow three comics and a role in one story that totally debunks his argument

@@jagtech490 Yeah it kinda does. The 10 eyed man is a worse villain.

@@jagtech490 It does because he claims he has no good use out of his original appearance yet Dini's time with the character is him at his best

@@LooferMoofer there’s a lot of shitty Batman villians. Penny plunderer, Crazy quilt, Etc.

Hush da goat no cap

Darkman is cool

Nobody complains with joker cause joker has a ludicrious amount of interpretations that vary drastically lol