I always forget that Slade has healing abilities. I am too used to his teen titans version where he doesn't really show any kind of this abilities, just the fact that he is thinking a mile ahead of everyone
Batman will still win against adult Damian Wayne, he trained every day since he was 18, and even though Damian learned to fight before toilet trained, Batman would still have more Martial Art experience.
Lady Shiva, deathstroke, and ra's al ghul were the first that I could think of. But I honestly completely forgot about bronze tiger and the Robins threw me off guard
I know bane normally has venom but even off venom there are versions of him that I've beaten Batman in a fair fight again without venom so him not being on the list a bit confusing also no Richard dragon
Bruce beat Shiva before he came Batman. Let alone after he became Batman. And every time that they have fought and she hasn't lost, it has been a tie. Shiva even lost to her own daugther, and you know who trained her? BATMAN! I swear she Is overrated.
11:20 The thought of Damian beating the shit of someone then shitting his own pants because he isn't potty trained yet just fills me with determination
Nightwing wouldn't beat him because he's nowhere near the same skill level. Dick Grayson didn't study with the best martial artists in the world for 10 years like Bruce did.
Another person who can beat Batman is Cassandra Cain, the second Batgirl. Out of all the Batkids, she was generally the first to want the Batman mantle. Her morals align with Bruce's pretty well (No killing). She was trained by her father David Cain to read movements--basically her first language and her mother Lady Shiva taught her those movements again once she forgot. The LoA call her the One who is All. Cass has also beaten Lady Shiva and Batman several times.
anyone *can* beat batman because its *can* not would or will. *can* would make it an infinite alternatives or attempts and then eventually he wins and then says "he *can* win".
The thing that makes batman such a great character is that he knows his weaknesses and if he know that in a “fair fight” he would lose, then he’ll do everything to make sure it isn’t a fair fight.
Bane comes to mind. If I'm remembering correctly, he beat Batman a few times fairly. It just sucks that he is just mainly known for his (venom enhanced) strength rather than his amazing intellect and fighting skill(s).
IIRC Bane is literally named as Ra's al Ghu successor in one comic. He definitely has everything he needs to fight batman on an equal level, he just has a crippling weakness most of the time and people don't write him well most of the time.
Since you brought up Adult Damian, I think Heretic would've been worth mentioning since he is technically Damian, but All grown up/genetically enhanced and bulkier than Batman (at least the one from Bad Blood anyway).
@@SPDRM Nah, I just thought since he mentioned Adult Damian, I was just Surprised he didn’t mention Heretic. And actually Batman lost that fight Because Batwoman got in the way. During the beginning of the fight in Bad Blood, you can see Batman actually had the upper hand before Batwomen intervened.
@@simplebutnotsolongname6642 - I was so sad that they gave Heretic a "normal grown up face" in *"Batman: Bad Blood"* ... Heretic's face reveal is one of my favorites, you expect someone who looks like some kind of hulk... but he's just a "baby Damian" head perched on top of a massive body, the body horror of his gouged out eye (courtesy of the Squire, after Heretic killed Knight) giving the surreal image another shocking detail. But the way, if you guys likes Heretic, he came back as a Teen Titans and Red Hood villain/antihero last year, under a new name... his new storyline isn't bad at all.
@@MrBee8000 because learning a fighting style requires u to have a memory of it and if the pit corrupts ur mind then it can affect ur fighting performance
Cassandra Cain; the Second Batgirl, and currently called Orphan could certainly take Batman in a fight, moreso than any Robin could hope to. She was bred by the two greatest assassins in the world for the sole purpose of creating the greatest killer in the world, Lady Shiva and Cain. She learned how to fight and kill a full grown man before she could tie her shoes. She was not taught how to speak as fighting and killing where her only lessons in life. Not that she ever needed to speak, as she can read body language often before the same person can react to the situation they know they are in, almost as if on precognition. She is arguably one of the most gifted killers and fighters in the world, all this was before she trained with Barbara Gordon and Batman. Before Damien was introduced, without a doubt, Cassie was the absolutely deadliest member of Batman's family.
. She was deadliest Batfam member to be sure but because of some reason she stated that- deathstroke was Faster , stronger and more intelligent during 2003 s Batgirl issue 64 ( which is same series cassandra defeated Lady shiva ) So ıdk.And yes she is more skilled than batman but she isnt durable and strong as him so.
@@Yusufqxq I'm pretty sure Deathstroke wants to kill Batman and most of the Robins, so I don't really consider him part of the Bat-Family. As for Batman, there is very little he can not do when he puts his focused mind to it. Cassie gives him a run for his money though, and will effortlessly snap your neck faster than you can snap your fingers.
You can't really put Shredder in the list,he is not part of the DC Universe and even if he was,which version do you go with? The 90's version,the 2003 Ultrom Shredder, the 2003 Demon Shredder,the recent nickelodeon version,the Michael Bay version...too many versions to pick from
Well we know that shredder can beat Batman because of tmnt Batman movie and thats just normal shredder so If we go with normal og shredder normal nick shredder reboot shredder and other normal shedders you can say any shredder can beat Batman
@@j4englund I don't know if I would go that far. The 90's TV version definitely has no chance against him.2003 Ultrom Shredder could give him a run for his money but if Batman damages the suit then it's game over and he definitely has enough gadgets for that.2003 Demon Shredder will beat Batman the first no doubt about it.As for the Nick version I honestly have no idea,haven't done my research on him.Same goes with the current comic version of Shredder,I just don't know much about him,but if they used the comic version for the movie than Batman would probably win,I mean he does lose the first time around because of that move,but now that he knows about it,he can avoid it.As for the Bay version,from what we have been shown in the movies,I wouldn't say he will be any harder to take down from Ultrom Shredder in his Exodus suit (which is obvois very powerful,but nothing Batman hasn't faced)
Yep, weird that he didn't mention him, or David Cain, and even Karate Kid if we're talking non-powered humans. And in the bat-family, rather than the robins I would have talked about Cassandra Cain/Orphan.
@@KentPetersonmoney - I thought it was a good adaptation of the New52 Ricardo Diaz Jr, who is a separate character from the original Richard Dragon (who Diaz killed after being trained by). Kirk Acevedo did a good job portraying him, the main problem was that he was way too old for the role. Had it been Acevedo from his *Oz* days, it would have been more credible. Still, both of his fights against the Green Arrow in the show were pretty damn good IMHO I guess it was going to be difficult for anyone to be the Big Bad, after season 5's *Prometheus* , who is still in the top 3 best Arrowverse villains... Diaz was still an improvement over Cayden James in season 6, don't you think?
Damn just 5 that can beat him and there is no certainty that they would beat him. That just speaks to the man's skills and intellect. With all that being said he is always holding back not using the lethal tactics that he learned.
@@Masonicon Right, yeah Batman knows she's the only one who might be just straight up better then Shiva, something batman can't say about himself, so yeah Cass clearly belongs on this list.
@@circa81 - I can think of several occasions when Lady Shiva destroyed Cass, and only one time when Cass beat Shiva... and that was a fight in which Shiva had several chances to finish Cass, but dragged it on. With that said, Orphan is 100% the strongest H2H fighter in the Batfam. I really enjoy her in the current storylines, with the "Batgirls" crew and all ^^ I just miss her relationship with Clayface...
@@randallflagg3700 To my knowledge the only times where those 2 fought was when Cass had undergone some brain alteration that both let her speak but also really screwed up her ability to fight the way she used to. Cass went to Shiva to re learn and naturally Shiva was brutal with her teaching. They did eventually fight for real and I think Cass beat her relatively easily.But I lost track of her back in the early 2000's so I might be wrong.
I recently re-read the last 20 or so issues of the Tim Drake "Robin" run, so that was before Jason was retconned as getting LOA training... in the old canon, even Tim was a better fighter, the only thing that Jason had for him was "brute strenght" and being an expert at firearms. I'm glad that they gave him a boost, but I'm still peeved that they made his hair black like the other robins... Jason was the ginger of the family, next to Barbara (and later Kate Kane), Bruce had to dye his hair so people wouldn't notice that it's a different kid in the uniform. And then he had some white streaks in his hair thanks to his Lazarus trip, that looked cool and helped differentiate him from Dick & co.
Uncomfortable truth: Batman's power is him having 'no' power. It is untraceable to a meta level. He is the literal paragon of humanity. He knows almost everything (literally), he has almost every skill up to and including combat abilities. His ability to heal would make him worthy of several different scientific studies. But he has 'no' power.
@@yeshwanthkumar9997 So do a lot of characters. Frankly, I personally consider the origin and nature of Superman's ridiculous suntanning powers to be a kind of plot armor lol.
@@AGNOSTIC_incomprehensibleXIV how???he's an alien.were dealing with various characters here.not every one is going to be a human who trained.batmans plot armor is the greatest in all comics thanks to Frank miller.alan Moore used to write him well
No one can beat Batman because he's Batman it's like saying someone could beat Obi-Wan when he has the high ground, it's completely ridiculous and I'll hear nothing of it.
Yeah, but after Bruce graduated, ol' Ted couldn't do much against him. In a boxing match under boxing rules, he would mop the floor with Batman, but with kicks and submissions, it's not the same thing. Poor Ted Grant, he was pretty cool in *Arrow* but since his actor (J. R. Ramirez) had to leave the show, poor guy took a brutal beatdown from Brick (played perfectly by Vinnie Jones) and was never seen again.
Great list! All great choices, I know you had to draw a line in the list somewhere, and not sure who I would have removed to add them. I would have added Cassandra Cain and perhaps Connor Hawk (although not a huge fan of Green Arrow)
I loved the Captain America/ Batman fight from Marvel vs DC. There are no punches thrown, they just stand there and with twitches have an entire fight without really moving.
I think some important people that you missed are O-Sensei, Richard Dragon and Connor Hawke. O-Sensei actually trained Lady Shiva, Bronze Tiger ,Richard Dragon so he has to at least be compatible to them. Richard Dragon is the best out of the three since he trained under Bronze Tiger beat Shiva twice and trained Batman. Connor the illegitimate son of Oliver Queen fought Shiva to a draw and Dragon said he’s the best hand to hand fighter he’s seen next to Shiva.
@@matthewanacleto7885 I agree. The 1992- 2003 Jean Paul Valley was a classic character. I always found him to be way more interesting than Bruce and all of the Robins.
@@polartang250 Batman would destroy Cassandra if he wanted to even red hood almost killed her and as for karate kid he fought bats hand to hand but lost after a tough fight .
I think the iconic Lex "I Think I'm Playing A Different Character" Luthor quote from BvS applies here "you want to know the oldest lie on the Internet Senator? It's that Batman can be beaten by anyone"
Karate Kid. In one story, karate kid is in the present day, and ends up in the Batcave unconscious because he is sick. Batman tries to find out who is: he doesn’t get a match in any of the Interpol databases for the fingerprints, nor does he get a match from anything from the Batcave. But he does find a match at the fortress of solitude, and learns who karate kid is. Superman rated karate kid as a level 15 hand to hand combat. He only rated Batman as a 12.
The Lightning Saga. Karate Kid had been mind-controlled by Ivo for . . . reasons (mastermind reveal is too good to spoil, just read The Tornado's Path), and he's recovering from that. Still only loses because Batman does some weird nerve-shutdown move on him.
Well another Batman video I don't know if you've done this yet but I would love to see the five martial artists in the Marvel universe Batman could beat up in a one-on-one fight
Standard comic book logic is the MORE martial arts you know, the better fighter you are. By this logic Mr. Miyagi loses to ANY karate fighter who also knows Tae-bo.
I can definitely see these characters beating Batman in a fair fight. Lady Shiva, Ra’s and the Robins especially. I also feel that Cass Cain would be another character who could challenge and beat Batman in a fair fight. Being the daughter of Lady Shiva and being trained before Batman took her in, would definitely make her a good candidate. She may have had less restraint prior to meeting Bruce depending on the continuity (she was trained to kill prior to Batman and Barbara taking her under their wing). And if I recall correctly, Bruce has stated that Cass could beat him if she tried.
Daughter of Shiva *and* David Cain, who is also amongst the best non-powered fighters out there. People always forget about ol' David Cain... His idea of erasing the idea of speech from his daughter's brain to make more room dedicated to fighting prowesses was sick, but also ingenious.
Either Rage or Fear. The red lantern corp's whole thing is basically brutal justice/revenge from what I understand, and that fits Punisher to a tee. Fear also works though since he wants the criminals of the city to fear him, and he lacks almost all mercy. Plus, he aint wearing that outfit for nothing. Also, the fact that he often does'nt try to hide his identity to his victims tells me that he is a man without fear himself, which ironically seems ideal for a Sinestro corp member.
There should be a movie were some villain beats batman, and it's a whole story of there back story and their rise after they beat him. Idk something along those lines but ya I would totally watch that. And the animation should be like a VR game but it's a movie!!! DC hire me
According to the comics, the first time Ra's fought Batman, Talia gave Bats poison to cause him to almost die while fighting Ra's. Talia didn't want either of them to die. She loved them both. After her father walked away thinking he killed Bats, Talia gave Bats the antidote. Then flew away with her father in a jet leaving Bats in middle of the desert. I think Bats can beat Ra's in plain hand to hand combat.
I figured she would be here too, but it's probably because she's more obscure. Alot of Needlemouse's vids include footage from outside mediums like shows, movies, and games but the only major non-comic media that Cassandra has been in that I know of was that Birds of Prey movie, and that version of her was NOTHING like the comic book version.
Black Canary, I disagree with that, her training is very good, but she relies on her powers, and this is a fair fight, so no powers, meaning Batman would have the advantage, and Batman has beaten Katan a bunch In pretty sure.
@@toby1061 - White Canary on the other hand... according to Dinah, she's even stronger than Lady Shiva. Speaking of the Green Arrow allies, his son Connor Hawke is also one of the greatest non-powered fighters out there.
I love how this guy isn't a douche. He isn't like Darkseid would obviously kill batman. But rewording it into Darkseid had the edge over him. I love it.
What about Bane without Venom? There have been time when Bane has beaten Batman without using his Venom. For example The Dark Knight Rises or some of the comics. But yeah it's very rare that you see someone with no super powers beat Batman and it's hard to think of anyone except the one's in this video.
To get deeper into the Damian Wayne argument Batman in Bathlehem Its stated he was artificially perfected to replace and kill Bruce. Commissioner Gordon says Damian can eventually surpass Bruce as the greatest crime fighter in the world ever due to his natural skills at such a young age,although he says he must learn to refrain from killing(AKA become better via having to hold back and still win) Damian does say he would never be as good as his father or Dick(Gordon is wiser than Damian anyways) but this is an earlier and more insecure Damian as in that story he isnt confident of taking on the mantle.He says this after using an explosive on Azrael which somehow had no effect on him and Damian still proceeded to quickly casually destroy him and effortlessly snap his neck with one twist only. He also physically overpowered Jakanape who is stated to have SUPERHUMAN strength In later stories Damian is seen more experienced and confident saying "I am the best" He also thought about how he could have killed Ras Al Ghul in one move but said "Damian would have killed you.I dont kill,I am Batman" To me it seems Gordons predictions have come true. DrHurt also spoke very highly of Future Damians abilities to Bruce,his wording can be possibly seen as telling him Damian is a superior Batman but thats up to interpetation. Titans Tomorrow A very similar incarnation of Damian from the Titans Tomorrow future is stated as being along with Future Dick and Future Jason,superior as a fighter to the evil Future Tim Drake Batman,this same Tim could fight on par with Bruce Wayne although he was weaker but still on the same level. Doesnt mean this Damian is necessarily better than Batman but it does prove he is atleast equal to him Futures End Batman Beyond While it is stated by Bruce he surpassed him i think people underestimate by how much. Bruce stated his abilities SCARED him and Damian was able to fight the Batman Beyond armor which is purposely designed to be far better than Bruce and not fail,he even held his own against the PERFECT AI of the suit taking over.With all these things i think its safe to say he surpassed Bruce by a considerable amount Why Injustice doesnt matter Yes Injustice Damian always loses to Bruce(although going by the story trailer and the Injustice 2 comics he is still SOMEWHAT comparable)but heres the thing,he is much younger and less experienced than the versions i mentioned above.This is not a fully mature fighter but a work in progress as stated by Dicks ghost. Dick also had a hallucination of several versions of Damian and it seemed to be in a hierarchy,the lowest one was the 10 year assassin that was introduced to Bruce and the second best is Injustice Damian but above him we see Batman Damian as bigger and taller.So Injustice is NOT Damians prime.Furthermore since he is a villian in that story he is always gonna lose DC vs Vampires Dick Grayson says Damian could one day be the best of them if he controlled his temper.His older versions are indeed calmer than his child version EARTH 43 This Damian honestly performs atleast on par with Prime Earth Batman against their common foes.He even manages to fight him off after he gets ambushed by him due to mind control,Bruce even makes note of his training and ability.Despite all that he didnt look fully grown up And yes nearly ALL these futures are canon,thats how possible futures work in DC. But is this all really surprising?At the end of the day Bruce is a rich kid that only started basic training on his own at age 14 amd wouldnt do his real training till age 18-25,Dick is a circus boy,Jason is a street punk,though he is the closest thing to Damian and Tim is a smartass. Damian was artifically perfected for combat since before he was born in the mechanical womb and very literally started his training moments since his day of birth by Talia throwing him in a pool to nearly drown.Even with equal amount of training Damians heritage is crazy,Batman and Talia?!How does Thomas/Martha etc compare to that? Him NOT ending up better than the rest would be an insult to logic and service to his haters
In my opinion I think that Ra's AL Ghul lets Batman win but, only to test him not only only on how much stronger he has become but on how much more skilled he has become from their last encounter.
Video idea : Best heart-to-heart moments in the DC Universe It would be a quite interesting video to watch since there is a lot of moments like this in the comics tv shows and games
@@Wright805 oh i am so sorry, please forgive me for my absurd behavior, i should have talked about the fact that darkside's ômega beams are not as fast as a gun Batman made.
Lady Shiva? Yes (2nd entry). Deathstroke? Yes (3rd entry, but only on a technicality as the healing factor gives Wilson an unfair advantage). Jason Todd & Dick Grayson? Yes to both (sharing the 5th entry, but they're but 2 of the first 4 Robins; among them, Tim is 4th, Damian is 3rd, Todd is 2nd & Grayson is 1st).. You're wrong about 1 of the remaining 3: he mentioned Ra's Al Ghul as the first entry & Bronze Tiger as the 4th entry..
@@vergilsonofsparda2350 in all honesty, though, if Deathstroke didn't have his healing factor at all from the start, would he still be able to go toe-to-toe with Batman?
@@AifDaimon I feel like he would be able to keep up with him at first as he is still highly skilled. But as he is not as skilled as Batman, and uses weapons more than he does hand-to-hand[thus disarming him could put him at a dissadvantage], so without the enhanced strength and healing factor, he would eventually break and would be beaten since he would'nt be able to go it for the long haul like he normally could.
... If is it so- Deathstroke beat Cassandra Cain in 2003 s batgirl series which is same series cassandra defeated Lady Shiva. So Slade can defeat lady shiva and Batman-
The entirety of Justice League Dark: Apocalypse War should be on that list considering how many heroes he brutally kills in that movie and what he does to the ones he does'nt kill.
Honorable mentions, either because we didn't consider them or because we forgot they have what it takes goes to Richard Dragon, David Cain, The Sensei(Ra's Al Ghul's dad), Damian Dark, Jackal(from Deathstroke Knights and Dragons), The Drug Lord, Green Arrow(Oliver Queen), Heretic, and Vandal Savage.
Deathstroke was taken out by a child. Granted, we are talking about Ra’s Al Ghul’s grandson, but the fact is, Damien Wayne is still a kid. And when once wasn’t enough, Damien kicked his ass again. Granted, Damien did have the Teen Titans to back him up the second time. But not many people can honestly say they defeated Deathstroke, much less walk away from fighting him. And that’s just Damien Wayne. Surely, another member of the bat family that isn’t Batman has defeated Slade Wilson in battle. Also, removing Slade’s healing ability, he could lose to other heroes like Green Arrow, Red Arrow, Speedy (Thea Queen), Malcolm Merlyn, Damien Darhk (minus the magic), Ra’s Al Ghul and maybe even any Robin, depending on which Deathstroke they face. Green Arrow has defeated Slade before. With a little assistance from Star Labs, Green Arrow cured the mirakuru inside Slade and trapped Slade on Lian Yu (Arrowverse, Arrow, Season 2, Episode 23)
i think you should have at least mentioned Vandal Savage, even is you take away his immortality, he is even older than Ra's Al Ghul, which means he would have known and mastered even more martial arts and even some that has been long forgotten.
@@stevenscott2136 same case as deathstroke but stronger, but unlike deathstroke, Vandal would have a 100% chance of defeating batman without his immortality and enhanced healing, speed, and strength. thats why he should a honorable mention.
When you think about it, whenever Ra’s is fighting Batman he’s not holding back. But Batman is holding back so he won’t kill someone, yet Batman still wins. It’s probably just because Batman has plot immunity but that really just goes to show how skilled Batman is that he’s able to beat a man who’s had hundreds more years of training than him and he isn’t even going all out.
Shredder defeated batman in the movie ninja turtles the battle was soo equal between the two but in the end shreder beat him with his ultimate cheat technique XD
David Cain is the only person that comes to mind. DC has many skilled hand to hand combatants but none that quite come close or that come to mind right off the bat.
They have their own experiences and they fight differently.True students are supposed to be able to surpass their masters,natural evolution demands student surpasses teacher and son surpasses father.
