Why I'm not Buying the Cantina Haslab  

always two there are, the master and the apprentice.

Absolutely right love it👍🏻

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Yes sir!

Yes, price is too high, but that is expected with these.

Very good question. His logic seems backwards. Since everything in the black series is bigger.

It doesn't make sense at all in terms of space or logic. You are correct. But my emotional ties to my black series collection want a super detailed 1:12 scale cantina bar like the TVC one. And I would find a way to get that integrated into my black series display, which is huge and has some available real estate. Honestly, though, I'm just going to build one from scratch and use 3d printed items for the bar. I don't think Hasbro will do any extensive dios for Black Series. Thanks for watching and commenting!

My man's def has a right to his opinion, but its kinda dumb. Yes, BlackSeries DOES need more world-building stuff, but that is why we collect TVC.

Exactly.. they act like the black series is gona produce an Ephant Mon like we didn’t get one back in 2002 for under $6 for that BRICK of a figure…

Yes, I've heard this idea a few times now. Seems lots of folks would like some small cantina set pieces, just not the huge set.

If this funds, you’ll probably be able to get parts and pieces on the secondary later on I’m sure. Having the option to get just a small alcove for the Han/Greedo scene would be nice for those that can’t afford the whole set

That is great man, very happy for you and all the other backers who will be able to add it to your collections! Thanks for watching and commenting!

If you can afford the expense, and you want the sisters both carded in loose, then I think it makes perfect sense to do what you did. Hope it works out for you too. Thanks for watching!

Yes the sisters and Wuher are the big draw here, even though the cantina playset is cool, I don’t think it justifies the price. Thanks for watching!

Yes, I think you're right. That'll be great for the TVC collectors. It's just too much of a hurdle to jump into TVC that much for me right now... at least for loose displays. I do have a bunch of carded TVC and some of the vehicles, including the Razorcrest, N1, and Slave 1. All very awesome.

And Garindan, the hooded snitch.

Right. I’m sure the box will look cool. But that’s not a good enough reason to buy. I want to open it up and display it. Just don’t have the space. Thanks for watching!

Those would be awesome as modern set pieces. Echo base especially.

Yes, I was not aware of that before. Another commenter told me about that too.

I think a lot of collectors will approach it that way too - buy it mainly for the excellent figures.

Yeah, understandable. I do think some of these playsets will be available on the secondary market eventually.

Holy shit-shit-shit-shit

I'm on the fence. Last Haslab I got was GIJoe Skystriker. The figures were not great condition. Several were damaged and dented. So I'm not looking forward to opening and finding creased cards, bubble dents, scratches. Only want the figs anyway. Why not just offer the figs for a separate price ?

That makes sense for sure. I'm sure it will be awesome when you get it set up!

@RedWagonDioramas yes imagine 10 years from now. This will be a special collector item just like Lego Millennium Falcon. I wish I had bought the millennium falcon when it 1st came out.. it's a master piece wherever you put it in your home ... now we have 3 great HasLab Jabba Sail Barge, now the Cantina Bar and the Boba Fett Throne Room as the center peace

I thought about that too - buy it and sell the figures... but then I'm out $400+ for over a year up front. I'll keep my cash for now, and see how I feel about it when it comes out.

It is an investment if you sell it on day one of receiving it. I purchased 4 Razor Crests and sold 3 on day one all for about 400% ROI. Same with the Marvel Sentinel, I sold that in 15 minutes after posting for a huge profit as well.

Yep it’s a lot of $ for what you get. Thanks for watching!

I’m sure we will see some amazing custom setups like that after it comes out.

Another playset comment, I love it! I totally agree, playsets with all those features were so much fun. Could they make adult collector focused playsets? Someone get on this!

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Thanks Mike, I'll be watching yours shortly.

No way they sell that many of the cantina. Transformers seems to have a pretty healthy fanbase for the haslabs. Thanks for watching!

I think part of it is that Transformers collectors have been used to paying big money for a long time.

Thanks for sharing that experience. I agree - to resin print and then hand paint everything would be expensive if you had it commissioned. Like I said in the video, I think it should be about $50-$75 less, but that's how Hasbro is. Thanks for watching!

@@RedWagonDioramas I have never funded any HasLab product cause the 99.9% of them are overpriced big time. I keep waiting for more stuff to be designed and released for folks to 3D print themselves like Thundercats Lair, Barbie dream house, etc.

Good thoughts! I have the razorcrest too. Amazing ship! Main reason I did not get the ghost or this cantina was space and price. I do like the haslab projects generally, but not everything works for everyone. I think the rancor could have succeeded if they hadn’t bungled the campaign so badly and if they had done better addressing the prior problems in the black series line. The Reva light saber was a non starter. Such a weird choice that had to be pushed by Disney. Thanks for watching!

@@RedWagonDioramas Yeah, the Rancor (I think) fell flat because of the extremely weak tier rewards (some bones and a piece of cardboard? WTAF?!). Now I read that they did include the Keeper art some point but by then it was probably too late already as interest had dropped too much. Also, I wasn't overly impressed by the paintjob either tbh. Yeah, that lightsaber was just a massive fail as that Reva was just a nobody and it should have simply been sold at Disney parks directly or something in my opinion. That thing had no place as a Haslab product. Almost felt as if Disney was pushing it for some 'diversity' nonsense or whatever that's now running rampant everywhere. So yeah, the Cantina and the Ghost show that Haslab is finally back in tune with the fans. Let's hope it stays that way. I wouldn't mind seeing more large playsets of iconic locations instead of ships as the playsets from Hasbro felt rather lacking and you always needed to buy 2 packs as they only give you half a set for some reason. I had to buy that cantina set from the Mandalorian twice just to have enough parts but they should have included benches as well imo so Mando could sit. Then again, we're also still missing a 3.75 figure of Greef Carga in his bountyhunting garb afaik (only ever saw him as a figure in his magistrate robes). I really love my Razor Crest and the details are awesome. I do miss that (at that price) they did not include some lights and I am very hesitant to drill holes myself for wires and lights LOL.

That is a good idea. I heard Tim @bossksbounty discuss that yesterday on the OOTB stream. Thanks for watching!

Thanks Luminous. I feel the same. if I wanted to switch from black series to TVC, this would be the time. I just can't have large collections devoted to both scales though, because I also have my kenner figures that take priority. Seeing this tvd model has given me ideas for how I can build my black series one for my shelf though. I look forward to seeing what you come up with for your cubes!

Hi Red I’ve added a WIP video of my cantina on my channel. 😀 Cheers mate 👍

@@Luminous_Beings_are_we just watched it, it’s going to look great. All those custom heads too. Now you’re giving me inspiration!

@@RedWagonDioramas Thanks! Being such an iconic scene It’s such a fun project to work on. I absolutely can’t wait to see what you do If and when you start yours. 👍👍👍👍

I know, I'm going to hold out and see if I still want to try to pick up some of the set pieces after it comes out.

Interesting idea. I wonder how many cantina characters were made during the Micro machines run and action fleet? Apparently one of the sisters was made. Thanks for watching!

Yes, for the bar appliances and piping, etc, you would def want resin printing.

@@RedWagonDioramas True, however, you have to also consider the fact that you hope that the supports don’t screw up the mold, after taking it off with a metal scraper, then it takes a while after running it through an isopropyl alcohol solution , and then use ultraviolet light to make it cure, then painting it if it needs to be painted if it is resin printed. Most FDM printers can use multiple colors and filaments that would work well and save time painting.

Then this is the perfect haslab for you my friend! Happy for you. If I had all the figures and a place to put it, I would be buying too!

I'm similar in my collection. For 3.75" I have my vintage kenner. And then I have a huge 6" black series display with dios. I would have to start a whole new shelf if I got this cantina. Seems weird to change my collection just to accommodate a new haslab. Thanks for watching!

I think this could have been broken up and sold in sections too. But then maybe they wouldn't have taken the risk on producing all the parts. I agree that TVC vehicles seem to make the most sense. I love my Razorcrest, and also have the N-1 and Slave1. My personal hope is for a Sandcrawler. Not full scale, but maybe 3-4 times bigger than what we have now. Thanks for watching. Hope it funds for you guys.

Thanks I’ll take a look!

Yep, same here. Thanks for watching!

I surprised myself actually - I honestly planned to get it. Until I started thinking it through more. You should go for it. I bet the Sisters sell for $100 ea when it releases. I'm going to wait and see. I just don't have the figures or the space for it right now. You have to think about where you would set it up though.

@@RedWagonDioramas I believe people will make money parting the deluxe set out. But it's one of those things where I just don't want to mess with it even though you'd probably double your money. But I bet toy dealers who do this full time will be buying a few sets.

Dave!! I haven't got room for anything I buy now, so I just "make it" as and when... I spent 14 hours yesterday shoehorning a 6 inch scale Star Destroyer Bridge into my sw room. That was 20+? inches deep, so I just made the baseboard shelf deeper to accommodate it. I'm surprised you're not getting this for your kenners. 3d prints are good, but they are never the "quality" of Hasbro. Quality definitely in inverted commas there!! 😅 Like you, if this was BS, then I'd be all over it, but I would be guessing at £750? minimum, if 3.75 was 500....😢 I really would struggle/fail to find that kind of money, and they've never considered a payment plan as far as I am aware. Even without wanting it, I do think it's a fantastic thing. The Bar needs a lattice style roof slat to neaten it and they should have smoothed the exterior more, but this will look epic when it's inhabited... As for the floor? Plywood cut to size, pva glue and sand would do the trick. A painted board?... Not ideal, but not a deal breaker either. I seem to have the reverse opinion of everyone as well. £100 extra for almost half of the structure is a bargain!! I think the initial price of £400 is too steep, so if I was getting it, it would the "main event" not the base offer.

@@davidedge2828 Hey, I found your comment! Yes, that death star bridge is pretty amazing. Great comments and thoughts you shared. I honestly was going to buy this for my kenner figures. But I'm already pretty happy with my small vintage kenner cantina playset, and I don't really need a larger cantina display. Plus, I don't really have room for it either, nor a lot of cantina figures to populate it with. After all that consideration, I decided to pass. It has given me some good ideas for doing a black series shelf display though. Thinned out booth backdrops, smaller bar area, etc. I don't think Hasbro will get into the 6" diorama game.

@@RedWagonDioramas It didn't go missing!! I've just posted my comment in someone else's thread without noticing by mistake!! It was early this morning though!!

None. But this playset was designed and produced with the intent to be able to light it, and they show it lighted in their promo shots. I'm sure some third party will figure out a lighting kit and sell it.

None, but then again they weren't sold for $400.

I think it funds but not to Greedo. If it makes it to Greedo, then I think last minute buy-in could push it to the next tire but I doubt all tiers get unlocked.

This is interesting to hear several people now wish it was more like a playset, not.a film accurate diorama environment. You may be onto something here. A haslab playset. You have me thinking more now.

Won’t be long after release that someone will have a 3d print flooring solution and likely also a roof system… the community does respond to these things

I’ve been getting this question a lot! Basically, I would rearrange my black series shelves to do a cantina scene. But you’re right, it couldn’t be the full size building like the TVC one. It would have to be condensed to fit on a shelf. Thanks for watching!

Same here. I’m hoping to pick one up later. Just the playset. Thanks for watching.

Yeah, good point. The $400+ could certainly go toward other things that work with my existing collection. Buying the cantina would basically force me to start a TVC collection, which I just can do right now. I do have several of the TVC vehicles though, but those can be displayed differently and more easily.

You could be right about that.

That's how these haslabs go... hard to justify the price on this if not all tiers unlock.

Thanks. I didn’t know about them. Stan Solo blocked me on socials and won’t sell to me. He got mad at me when I moderated his comments towards another customer on my RU-vid review of his figure. Cussed me out and blocked me. So no, no more SS for me.

@@RedWagonDioramas Oh no, I am so sorry to hear that, buddy. I've been a Star Wars toy fan for life (I'm now 50), but only a serious collector for the last few years, and the politics within this community astounds me. It's such a shame as the SS figures fill some great gaps in the original Kenner line. Take care and keep these great videos coming. James.

@@jamesswann9852 thanks James, I appreciate the comments and encouragement!

Lots of folks like that nowa days. Thanks for watching!

This is pretty much how I feel too. Thanks for watching!

Good comments Matt. For you TVC collectors I do hope it gets all the tiers. Blue snag would have been an awesome one for the final tier! Every haslab takes another big bite of space out of the toy room. That’s why I didn’t back the ghost either.

I think the proper collecting term would be "hostage set". Holding the sisters hostage behind a $400 purchase requirement.

Haha well that is an excellent purchase! I’ve been tempted by that set. Thanks for watching!

So, you mean a roof for exterior shots of the building? That would be nice, but that would bump the price a lot I bet. Thanks for watching!

Good thoughts Tim. Your point about the "Return to Tatooine" is important I think. They should show all their pipelines related to the cantina before this campaign ends. That would probably push people to buy the cantina if there are indeed a bunch more aliens coming. Thanks for watching!

Yep, never enough space, so true. That's the main reason I didn't buy the Ghost either. Thanks for watching!

Pemium price is right. Thanks for watching!

That's the thing about it. The more I look at it the more I have trouble justifying the price for even the base offering. It's just a bunch of plastic walls that will have minimal painting and a ton of tiny accessories but no additional features. They even had the audacity to say you could add your own lighting. I look at the "Deluxe" add-on and wonder WTH Hasbro was thinking when they slapped the $100 prince on it.

Did you back it?

Yup! Instant commitment, as It’s actually a 20 year old dream of mine to have a proper Tatooine-based scaled diorama of the Cantina. I’m getting a Deluxe for myself and a Base set to get to figures to open, and I’ll sell the diorama in parts to those who just want pieces of it without backing a full item.

I like the vehicles too. My personal hope for a haslab would be a bigger TVC sand crawler. Thanks for watching!

for a $4M project like this, it's gotta be $200k-$300k they earn in interest. Great point!

Same reason I didn't back the Ghost. I wanted to, but didn't have the space... Also $ lol.

You can take just 1 or 2 of the alcoves and create a little scene, then just the bar on another shelf for another scene, that's the beauty of the modularity.

Ha ha! True.

Yes, maybe. But I'm ok if I never get this playset too. I'm spending my money on other things in my collection right now that I enjoy more than this. Thanks for watching!

I imagine prices will go up for all the cantina characters if this funds.

Yes, I think that would be the best way too. Thanks for watching!

Yep, I think that will be a common feeling for a lot of fans. Enjoy your figures and sell the playset pieces to me!

Because of my passion for my black series collection. And lack thereof for TVC. I planned to get it for my Kenner figs, but I realized my vintage cantina is just fine. Too big and too much $ for something that doesn’t quite work for my collection. Thanks for watching!

Yeah, those are all great ideas. Great point too about the difference between a playset and a diorama. Thanks for watching and commenting!

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Oh geez David, sorry about that. I assume you're not buying this though?

@@RedWagonDioramas If I collected tvc I'd be peeing in my pants over this in excitement!! I did grab Jabbas Palace for my original kenner figures but that has been lying in bits on the floor for weeks now with nowhere to put it... My original comment wondered about payment plans? and just extending shelves out wards to accommodate the larger size of the set.

@@RedWagonDioramas I also came from a different angle for the deluxe version... I thought £100 for the second half(ish) of the set was a bargain! However, if that side is 100, then why is the bar around 300!!?? Like everything else, I think its overpriced, but I do like it.

@@RedWagonDioramas I also wondered if tvc was 500, what price for the BS?...750?... More? I would really y struggle with that.

Yep, pretty crazy. This is what star wars haslabs have been trending at though. Hasbro loves that $400-$500 price point for these crowdfunds.

@@TonyStark-uu9us same here. It’s cool but I’m not backing it.

Haha quite right. Prices just go up and up.

And even from Star Wars the Endor AT-AT from Jazwares that I bought for $60 has 8 mini figures, a lot of paint applications, lights AND sounds. I definitely feel like I got my money's worth there. Hasbro is nuts. This should've been sold at retail piecemeal and it would've still sold. And how come now all of a sudden the Tonnika sisters can be a thing? I feel that Hasbro finally secured the likeness rights and is passing on the cost of that deal to collectors via the HasLab. That or the licensing costs from Disney are just insane now., There's no way otherwise a bunch of plastic walls with no features would cost more than their Transformers HasLabs.

"TVC" - The Vintage Collection - Hasbro's current super articulated 3.75" Star Wars figure line.

I was thinking the same. It probably will have a nice box. And it would probably have to stay in the box most of its existance.

Yes, I think that is pretty obvious too. I think Hasbro is doing it right though by making the tiers all figures. figures are what the TVC collectors want the most.

You're right about the bar ceiling. They should add a transluscent white panel that clicks up onto the struts or something like that. Then you could put LEDs on top of that to diffuse the light.

Yes, it does look that way. What do you think Hasbro should do to help encourage sales? For example, I'd like to see them display it several ways on different depth shelves, with a bunch of cantina figures. Also, would be nice if they revealed more of their pipeline plan for other cantina characters. Thanks for watching!

Well if you can afford 3, it'll probably pay off for you later if you sell 1 or 2. I assume you plan to open one and set it up for display with your figures right?

@@RedWagonDioramas Honestly, I don't open these things. I just put them away. I still have 4 unopened Barges.

@CVMGAM wow! Then buying 3 cantinas makes sense for you. I would like a barge someday… when I have room.

@@RedWagonDioramas There are those on forums claiming they are only buying it for the figures and plan to sell the cantina itself. I may go for one of those & keep mine sealed.

Yup because Lucasfilm was screwing over the other one from day one by demanding her image license rights for free

I didn't know that! It's been about 2 years since I tried to get up to speed on the whole situation. I hope someone will investigate and report on it again now that these figures are coming out.

Same here. Maybe Hasbro should do a followup video showing how the modular sections would look like on a typical bookshelf or detolf.

Yes, I forgot that George edited him out for one of the special edition, right?

Lak Sivrak (the original wolfman from the 1977 theatrical cut of Episode IV who was intentionally deleted from all subsequent editions) is NOT the same character as Arliel Schous. Schous is the red-eyed alien whose face looks like a wolf-bat hybrid, and he can still be seen sitting in the back of a cantina booth in the most recent edits/updates of the film. There was a 3.75" figure of Sivrak done in the late 1990's as part of the Power Of The Force line, but as cool as it was, its sculpt and detailing did not look very film accurate. With so many silly and weird alien and goon characters in the cantina scene, it remains an incomprehensible mystery to me why George Lucas felt so much animus towards that one particular wolfman character that he demanded his minions at Lucasfilm to remove it from later editions of the film.

You're probably right. Thanks for watching!

I personally think the floor could be done later pretty easily. But running out of cups for all the tables would suck if you actually fill it with 50+ figures. Thanks for watching!

Thanks for the comment. I haven’t watched his video on that yet.

I think you’re right. We’ll see. Thanks for watching.

Understandable. Thanks for watching!

@@RedWagonDioramas I've been watching diorama videos. THAT seems like the way to go. Make your own play set from scratch.

​@@somarriba333This is the way!!! 👍

You got room right Mike, Just toss out some of that ghostbusters stuff ;) I agree this is a cool set, and I expect those who have the room and figures for it will love it.

I think it will be several years, but they will probably release all the figures separately again, just not with these cardbacks. Greedo, and the two alien figure unlocks will certainly be released separately.

Apparently the band was filmed in one of the alcoves.

@@RedWagonDioramas lol all the alcoves seem to have tables. But nothing for band

I would love if they came up with a complementary second half to the Kenner cantina playset. Something that would fit next to the original.

@@RedWagonDioramas Ain’t that the truth. I want to play with Star Wars toys like in my youth, but have it set in an alternate original trilogy where everyone else is the same, but Darth Vader’s switched out for a prequel era Sith Lord. Guess who it is?

No, no, they only release Retro collection figures packed with stupid board games no one wants. It would make to much sense to make display arenas, repro playsets and yes, the damned Kenner skiff with proper vintage footpegs.

Big box is going to cost that.

If it doesn't fund, maybe they will? They could offer this as 3-4 modular playsets, kind of like how they wanted us to buy two halves of the carbon freezing chamber set. Thanks for watching!

That would have been a nice one!

Order me a set! He blocked me and won’t sell to me.

Then pass on it. There will always be other things to collect later. Thanks for watching!

I hope you get him. Thanks for watching!

LOL great point! They had to do a specific cup holding had sculpt for Wuher. I wonder if they'll do that for all of the "Tatoonie" series cantina figures this year and next (Han, Chewy, Kenobi, Luke, etc).

@@RedWagonDioramas the custom toymaker , the Next 17, sells little cups with his figures and they have a peg that sticks out from under the cup to fit in a figure's gun holding hand

@@futuramayeah yes I bought a bunch of his cups from Nedt17. They are great.

So, which set will you open to setup? The deluxe?

@@RedWagonDioramas more than likely I’ll setup the deluxe as a whole and use the other set for the alcoves for individual scenes.

Same here with one of each. If there was a way to cover some of the exposed walls/unfinished structures would be nice but not a deal breaker for me at least.

Yes. I didn’t collect any modern figs until 2016 when black series hooked me in. I have some Ep 1 figs, but not much else 3.75”. Then I rediscovered my Kenner love during the pandemic. As for Stan solo, I love the figs I got from him before he lost his mind in my comment section, cussed me out, blocked me everywhere and then banned me from buying his figs. So that’s why I like Next17 so much. Owner isn’t psycho. More of a back story for you there. So that’s why I’m vintage and black series. I just wasn’t collecting in the late 90s to late 2010s.

​@@RedWagonDioramas Same here. I grew up with my Brothers' Kenner Figures and a few vehicles I received from a cousin (I wonder with his consent XD). Since Star Wars was over when I was a kid, I never got to collecting Star Wars. But one thing was pretty evident early on, I was more into the Star Wars Figures than the movie itself. To me Star Wars the movie was a little bit too complex to understand. I was aware that the movie was phenomenal, but I wasn't attached to it emotionally. I think as a kid I was too overwhelmed to follow the plot. The only thing that drew my attention were the lightsaber fights and the lightsaber figures, which I never had og sabers for (Toothpick Cliq!). There were few moments where I almost got into collecting Star Wars. The 90s with the POTF line and one Star Wars Convention. I got a few POTF figures but declined the line shortly after ,because the figures didn't have the same feeling of OG Kenner figures, but I was intrigued by the facesculpts and the design of Lightsabers the line introduced. If it wasn't for the prices that were meant to be paid for Kenner figures 1997 at the only convention I ever attended, I would have started collecting many years ago. But I was shocked that I had to pay for every figure that wasn't even in a package 20 bucks at least. I remember the figure that was the cheapest being a loose Emperor with no cane. I didn't even recognize the figure being the Emperor. I thought it was some cleaning old lady from Jabbas palace. For me it was just crazy spending that money for loose figures. I remember leaving the convention with 3 things. Rancor Keeper's hat, Leia Boussh, Lando Skiff Guard. I think you see the pattern👌. What ultimately got me into collecting Star Wars was the Retro Collection. I always liked the aesthetics of OG Kenner Figures and I always wanted to have an OG lightsaber. As for Stan Solo, I think he realized that he isn't someone who likes to interact publicly. I think he realized that he is a private person. That's why his work is great

@@JustMe-tm5dc thanks for sharing all that. I don’t think I’ve met anyone who was mostly drawn into collecting through the retro collection. I love the RC too for the vintage aesthetic too. Thanks for watching and commenting as always!

@@RedWagonDioramas I never lost my interest for Vintage Kenner Figures, but how I remembered Kenner Toys ,was that they were pretty pricy. Therefore I might personally had given up ever collecting them. What finally awakened my interest like I was under a spell was the Retro Collection First Multipack exactly one year ago. It was like ~unfinished Business~ and a ticket to travel through time. I checked in within a second

The high price does seem to be the common obstacle to haslab campaigns. If they had included more figures in the base offering, or more components like you mentioned, it would have a better value for the buyer. Thanks for watching!

How so? You mean in regard to TVC specifically or haslab?

Fair enough! Thanks for watching!

Thanks man! #backthecantina

I knew someone would comment on the cardboard playset, nicely done Dan! I remembered about that after I filmed. So, you backing this? Do you have many 3.75" figs?

@@RedWagonDioramas probably not, but I've at least considered it. A coffee table setup with just the diorama itself would still be pretty cool though. Or wall mount it so you're looking into it. I'd still get enjoyment out of that. I've also been trying to figure out how to utilize my ceiling space creatively. Maybe this goes upside down on the ceiling!

@@yokaicustoms ha ha, now that's an idea!