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I'd hope that we don't make contact with any civilizations any time soon, and am perfectly content in my blissful ignorance thinking that we are probably the only ones around this neck of the woods. That being said... We are looking, so they are looking too. I hope they haven't found...
Thanks Michael, as always love the show. I know this was talked about briefly on this episode but regarding black holes being used as energy. Science still does not know how super massive black holes form. There are some hypotheses out there but nothing close to conclusive. Additionally there is serious debate on the subject of super massive black hole merger, many lean to the side that it is not possible for two super massive black holes to merge. This would mean that ultra massive black holes would have to have formed a different way than the smaller super massive black holes. Could the type 2 civilizations we are looking for be the cause of these ultra massive black holes? A recent discovery found one of the largest known ultra massive black holes in the universe (50 billion solar masses as a low estimate) and is by far the largest in the area of our galaxy. On a universal scale it was nearby, just a few hundred million light years away. Anyhow, if you read this I think black hole energy on that scale would be a really good subject to talk about in length with someone much smarter than me. Thanks again
I dont think that we will find intelligent life, at least not in my lifetime. If we do find it it would probably be from one of the relatively nearby Galaxies since looking further out means looking further back in time.
@@faarsight That is brilliant! that may be why we didnt pick anything up yet. Just think about it. A civ that "looks" at us from 500 light years away would "see" knights riding around hacking eachother to bits with strips of iron. We could be looking at far away star systems that have space faring civ's but that are thus far away that the light of their bronze age is reaching us only now, and the radio signals are still 1000 years behind that. If they do have FTL they might be here sooner then we will ever "see" them. They might say "yes, we come from that star, overthere. Just wait 899 years, and you will get our first radio waves" LOL we might develop FTL and reach aliens before our broadcasts reach them, We might say "yeah when you get our first tv images, dont pay much attention to that guy with the tooth brush shaped moustache. We didnt like him much either and got rid of him 5 years after that" :P
Same question as to why we assume the history of earth is the way it is accepted right now, there may be fossils and carbon dating, however we may really never now until we have a time machine. Thats when theories will comem
Because they really should be EVERYWHERE, including here on Earth, assuming life is relatively common around the universe (which I'm not sure I agree with yet).
@@SubtleHawkwe don't have any telescopes that we can actually see on planets with so how would we have saw them? They might be everywhere they just aren't using radio waves. Our radio waves have only traveled 100 light years or so. We still have nothing to see them with. I always wonder what people mean when they say where are they? They could be in every solar system. We wouldn't know.
I am so sorry, but Mr. Arthur's speech impediment is far too distracting to continue to watch. To me, it makes him sound less believable than I'm sure he is. I give him an A+ if his imitation of Barry Kripke (Big Bang) is for real. (or perhaps Kripke is imitating Isaac Arthur?) I feel so guilty about commenting in what may be seen as a derogatory or worse, a hateful way. I'm not judging anyone, but simply stating a fact. Perhaps he would be more believable if he used a synthesized voice like Steven Hawking. Just say'n.
Tom Clark the actor who plays Kripke actually has a speech impediment. He’s also in the movie Heat with Sandra Bullock. Isaac is a well known and respected physicist.
Maybe we are like North Sentinel Island to other races lol. We are so primitive that they leave us alone. There have been encounters but they end up badly, so they leave us in our natural habitat lol. Because our leaders are more warlike and deceitful.
@@PhilthCollinz No, as with most conspiracy theories, it requires the conspirators to be too smart and too dumb at the same time. If the goal was to make people think they were trying to contact aliens, it would be far more effective to say they're sending a repeating signal and not send anything than to say they're sending one blip in a direction for which there's nothing for 25,000 light years and raise your suspicions that way.
@@nkordich If they didn't send a signal though everyone would find out due to all the radio enthusiasts not picking up a signal so the only option left is send a signal for a short amount of time to an area where they hope nothing would hear it. Besides inviting something to our world is a massive gamble as even best odds is 50/50 good or bad outcome. Though practically speaking I think the bad scenario is more likely so 20/80 odds as I find it more likely for a predatory or warlike civilization to be the largest and closest to us as a warlike civilization would crush the peaceful ones. Just look at human history peaceful tribes nearly always got exterminated or enslaved by the warlike ones as such I see no reason for this rule to change out in the universe as the warlike ones would be used to and experienced in the art of war while the peaceful ones wouldn't have the experience or psychological strength to carry out a long conflict.
We are a barely emerging technological species. Even the most intelligent and imaginative among us can't accurately describe what's out there without falling into sheer speculation. The answer to the Fermi Paradox is: STILL TOO PRIMITIVE. NOT ENOUGH DATA.
You're right. All this speculating is fun but silly. The Universe may be a single consciousness & each developing civilization reaches the point where it joins the cosmic mind. That's where everybody went!
@@rameyzamora1018 That sounds like Chaos corruption to me. In the name of the Emperor, we must stop such heresy. Mankind will not fall to the ruinous powers of the Warp!
I believe our scientists are just like the industrial age scientists looking at sky's trying to find a trail of steam thinking aliens would use steam engines since it's the most advanced tech.
I LOVE THIS CHANNEL. Every single night when I go to bed I put in my alarms, put in a video from you guys and lie down and fall asleep while swallowing wisdom like a swamp. Thank you so much for these videos
@@EventHorizonShow Same for me. Everything you upload gets two views from me. I first listen until I fall asleep and then in the next day or two I listen again all the way through. I have a lot of trouble sleeping and listening to either JMG or Isaac somehow helps me relax. You both have such fascinating channels.
I was doing the exact same. The viewing conditions have been so excellent this summer I’m beginning to develop repetitive motion injuries in my spine/neck.
@@biteme8535 for real, love these guys. Two years later and everything they are talking about is still fresh and awesome to ponder. They are the good ones, some of the best RU-vid science channels available today.
I think the intelligent life has already found us and has been observing. I think thats prob who Commander Fravor chased in those pentagon releases tapes.. John Michael Godier and Isaac Arthur two of may favorite people together! You guys should host eachother on the regular
As a layman, I'm just guessing but might it be possible that when a planet does foster a civilization something like ours, it only gets so far to the point, say, where it can explore it's own system but never reaches an interstellar capability. The Galaxy could be teeming with societies similar to our own that are not readily obvious. Do I make any sense?
Our first contact with a machine civilization. Us-"Hi there, we were getting ready to build a Dyson sphere, want to help?" Them- "Yeah... about that, that's why were here, this whole universe is a preserve. NO BUILDING!"
Either we are alone in the universe or we're not, both are equally terrifying. Edited: With the machine hypothesis. I think if we are to become them, we will mimic our biological forms still right down to a cellular level, it will be indistinguishable from our natural biological forms, so radically advance that we'll control & create biology. It comes down to the technological singularity that we can't tell between artificial & natural.
We tend to have ideas and theories based on what we can imagine , about life, tech, brain , intellect ... but just imagine in this same planet ,us , show them a mobile phone to someone in the 1800 ... they could not ever ever imagine such device... and we think we can imagine other brains , other tech, other life in other part of the galaxy, with maybe 1000 , a million , a billion years in advance ...or not ... we haven't the slightest idea ... what life (we can call it other stuff) could do in other galaxy , other time , with other some kind of brain (or we can call it other thing) for what we know could all be some beings or some machines , or some other form of stuff we cannot conceive in another dimension or some dimension we can not conceive. ... what i am writing is so out of the box , but nature is capable of doing stuff more imaginative, that me and no one can or will ever conceive ...
The person from 1800 would still SEE the phone, right? That's the point. The universe still runs on basic physics which we understand. At least we know what radiation is and how to detect it. And we don't see anyone giving off radiation. As Isaac states, hiding has no point, so not seeing any radiation is strange. We never presume to know their specific tech, culture, politics, biology. Just the radiation.
I'm not so sure whether intelligent aliens (at least their early forms) would be so shockingly alien. Reason? Evolution. Big brain. Carnivore or omnivore. Some limbs (or limb-like structure) to manipulate environment. At least basic care for young (K-reproduction strategy, otherwise big brain is pointless) and elders (keep tribal lore). Mostly land environment (otherwise good luck in kickstaring civilisation). Not solitary animal. In later times you transition to some kind of AI civilisation. In long run a destiny, as "silicon" outperforms "protein". Any ideology would not change that, just give a different flavour. Not necessary "Skynet". Technically speaking may involve some uploaded minds, who claim not being AIs. Or hedonist post scarcity, where anyway 99% of job is done by AIs. Or some small group of degenerates escape their stagnant home planet to finally start their heretic tech endeavours, which makes them expansive specie.
@@useodyseeorbitchute9450 the universe still has billions of years to go before predicted entropy. maybe this is the "stupid civilizations that wipe themselves or each other out" stage.
@@cwg9238 I don't think there would be much "wiping other civilisation stage". Either one is reasonably peaceful and curious civ, then he would treat other civilisations as highly valuable study subjects. Or one is highly violent one and would be too busy deploying new wonder weapons on his home planet.
These guys should do a round the fire podcast with the cracking of flames as they talk ‘space’. In fact I’d happily supply the beer and sit alongside and listen.
Civilizations destroyed themselves before mastering interstellar travel. Our own technological civilization is now on the verge of collapsing,, climate unsustanable change, scarcity of resources, peak oil was reached in the mid 2000, financial systems full with debt next crisis will be far more worse than 2008 , refugees, pauperization of all the middle class, inequalities rising. Our modernity will no longer be the rule. No civilization lasts forever. We are like a snail, we cannot leave without our shell outside thre earth. We are part of this biodiversity, and we are destroying it and ourselves.
The Fermi Paradox is one of my favorite topics to discuss and ponder. I conjecture that Earth is wholly unique in the universe and that there is no other life out there, intelligent or otherwise. I thoroughly enjoyed listening to this discussion and wish there were more. Now I need to find out what the name of the music is that starts at 48 minutes in. I want to listen to that while I'm stargazing!
The musicians we use in our videos are listed in the details with links. And you can stream or download all their albums for free, though there is the option to pay/tip them. Highly recommend checking them out!
Isaac talks like there are millions of astronomers looking at every star for all this stuff. Dude we have very little data! Just because we have a picture of a star means very little if we aren't spending time on each star with telescopes beyond what we have access to today. Talk to me in 50 years when we have real data before ruling it out.
That's not a completely fair criticism, as the tech signatures we are looking for are in fact blindingly obvious, and a few seconds worth of data / star is entirely enough to identify whether an advanced civilisation is, or has been, present there. Stars are exceedingly simple systems, and the light output from them very predictable. If an anomalous light signature is found, and a natural explanation cannot be found very quickly, it's cause for serious study. Tabbys Star is a recent and quite famous example. Turned out to probably not be aliens, but it did have us wondering quite hard for a while, and we still don't really know what is causing it to look like it does
These collaborations with Isaac really are quality. I hope they get a lot of views because I would like to see them continue. Not to excess though - keep the quality high. Thanks, guys.
We are going to find something pretty soon with the James Webb and land based telescopes being build right now. I am pretty sure about this and I have been preparing myself mentally for it.
Your presentation is always so damn good. I love the music and the atmosphere your interviews provide. If I could slam that like button harder, I would.
I was telling my wife about the idea of a bracewell probe that's been watching us for millions of years suddenly signaling us and being like, "hello humans, here's your entire history in 1080p." It blew her mind a little bit lol.
The thing about intelligent life might be time-scale. We look for beings and events and artifacts related to our own perception of time- our own lifespans, our own history. The universe is, of course REALLY HUGE, and what if there are"actors" in the universe who's "thought processes", and actions take place much more slowly than we can perceive, on a scale that is beyond anything we even know how to notice, as such?
The real issue with time-scales is how fast living beings move, in comparison with the size of the universe, and the speed of light. A species that evolved, became intelligent, developed technology, and destroyed itself 1,000,000 years ago on a planet that is 2,000,000 light years away would be completely undetectable.
The speed of physical process such as chemistry and things falling and so on don't vary enough. Such a 'slow intelligence' would be dealing with a universe to fast for their intelligence to provide any benefit.
@@MrCmon113 A brain is a biological phenomenon native to the conditions and materials available on this particular planet with it's functions being "tuned" to whatever we do here to maintain our lives. There could be other conditions that produce other things that do what brains do elsewhere, on whatever scale necessary to maintain whatever is being done.
For me the most obvious explanation is one that I’ve never really heard said. It depends on what you define as intelligent life. Apes are intelligent, elephants are intelligent, dolphins and whales are intelligent. But conscious life like us? A species that looks at the sky and wonders, a species that questions their existence? As far as we know, after four billion years of evolution and millions of species, we’re the only time that has occurred. That’s the bottleneck if there ever is one. I think that’s what’s rare. I think simple life is common, complex life and intelligence is fairly common, just not life that has the ambition to build technology or leave their planet.
@@MrNote-lz7lh it could, but all chemistry and conditions necessary are common, so depending on the variables that we don’t yet know, the genesis of life could have been very complex or very simple. If it’s the latter you can assume that life must be reasonably common in the universe
An interesting quote: In 2012, researchers published the Cambridge Declaration on Consciousness, which said that an array of nonhuman animals, including but not limited to mammals and birds, have “the capacity to exhibit intentional behaviors” and that “humans are not unique in possessing the neurological substrates that generate consciousness.”
What if other intelligent life lives at a different frequency and we cannot see or communicate with them? They could be right here among us, but we may not even be aware of each other.
In the zoo theory situation, an enormous universe would be much better to hide us. It puts us in overwhelming circumstances to “escape” or even just distract us from doing so. Assuming it is no more trouble to make, a larger cage would seem more practical honestly.
RU-vid premium I think cost $10 a month you can download things to watch without internet access and also everything comes on without commercials. Well worth it if you're a RU-vid junkie like me.
Would it be possible that the "WOW!" signal was an astronomically rare case of an alignment where the signal was lensed by an object passing between us and the source?
@37:00 with the WOW signal was never a question of a zoo Hypothesis situation.. instead, I've always felt if it was indeed a intelligent species it could be they are shooting signals at random spots. We won the lotto to have a signal shot our way. They could be so old that they have been trying for xmillions of years and this is what they do now. Just my random thoughts
Once we thought everything is on a flat plain, then we thought there is the solarsystem, then the galaxy is everything, now we think the universe we see is everything! My guess would be, the cmb is not the edge, its just the extreme redshift of the rest! Possibly there is much more outside, we could not imagine! Well i think i will never know, we make hughe progress, but maybe there is a level we cant reach to find out, or we get extinct by AI or other things before wefind out, or we find out, but that will anyway not in my lifetime! I would be happy if we settle on Mars, colonize the Moon and find proves for alien life!
My personal issue with the virtual worlds scenario is that, even if you put every single human in the Matrix and let them live out their lives there, any scenario that includes that is also going to require a caretaker AI programmed to keep us safe and secure. I cannot imagine a likely scenario where this AI, upon realizing that the solar system is winding down, doesn't go full-on paperclip optimizer and begin expanding outward to keep humans going as it was programmed to do. Edit: Nevermind, Isaac sort of touched on that.
I love listening to you two just talking! You should do an own show just about that! I mean it....1 hour is wwaaaaaaay to fast! At least 3 hours! Like rogans show!
I know I comment a lot but I can't resist! I recently subscribed to Issac's channel it's pretty awesome I love long videos! Great work guys! Have a great weekend!
I sure hope we are capable of interstellar travel at the minimum before I die. I NEED to see another solar system before I'll feel ready to die. Ideally we will be capable of FTL. We likely will not be able to invent that tech in my life, but maybe another species can give us that tech. I know this isn't going to happen, but I think the world needs to make peace and use all the world's military budget for technology. Developing these things will lead to planetary defence tech that might stand a chance incase a hostile species invades.
The most excellent straight, unfiltered enjoyable two people on the internet. So smooth and able to vividly portray concepts into a memorable knowledge base I know of. Thank you gentlemen.
As a performer and speaker with a speech impediment myself, I love that IA didn't let that stop him from doing what he wanted to do. That said, I often ponder the sadistic names of impediments. Rhotacism, Lisp, Stutter, etc. As if they're named so you intentionally cannot say them. The R in Rhotacism, the S in Lisp, the double ST and double TTs in Stutter. Very suspicious titling indeed. ;).
Joe Riggs .....Hey Joe this saying is what helps me not to slap the living shit out of people who make fun of others impediments and it's what my GrandMa used to say and that is......"When you argue with ignorance.....You're whipped from the start!"......ok it may not keep you from jack slapping someone into the next galaxy but it's spot on.....Keep your head high which I have no doubt that you hold it as high as you can and keep up the good fight.....your brother from out here in the 1's and 0's.....lol.......
Loved it guys the only thing you danced around but didn't touch is what if thier interdimensional, ya know like part of that 90 something percent of what we cant perceive?
Matt Alluisi Assuming true Hive minds are possible. Insect colonies rely on pheromones and other physically transmitted information to operate. A hive mind that spans a planet or system would require something more to keep the entity in possession and control of its bodies
I always thought the chances of intelligent life must be low as its only happened once on earth. Considering the no of different species. Surely this indicates it's rare?
There were the Neanderthals. Also a few creatures here aren't that far off, dolphins for example. It may simply be that the first to make to a certain point tends to eliminate, or at least shut out, potential competitors.
I consider this such wonderfull gymnastics of the mind - best meditation. 100% clean, without having to trick ones mind in "believes". I wish upon more people to recognise and enjoy. ∞ Will this specific gem someday in the far, far, future be looked back upon? ∞
Love this channel and really love the collabs with IA but the ads are getting silly. If there has to be five ads space them so they interrupt less frequently. Load up prior to video and at the tail. Really ruins the experience going from futurism to commercialism every 10 minutes.
you want alien reveal,??..you want to know where we came from,??,you want to know who made us.??..you want to know why they tried to wipe us out,??.watch dttv/viper tv,vids on sumerian tablets..brian foerster,or praveen mohan...we were made in there image..to be there slaves..nothing to do with mans religion..bs..
@yeah I'm John Assal these vids are bullshit..we are the product of alien dna,genetic engineering,hundreds of thousands of yrs ago,,watch dttv or viper tv on sumeria.enki,enlil,marduk..ur..or,,revalation of the pyramids,,/not religious vid./.
Unpopular opinion - for some reason my brain cannot accept Isaac's speech wavelengths. For me he sounds very unnerving.. fast-paced.. and the way he pronounces certain syllables with letter "R"... Argh... I understand that his speech abilities way above my own, but I can't do anything about it (so many times I've tried), but I simply cannot relax or concentrate, when listening, just too much distracting for my brain.. should I visit a psychiatrist? :)
the majority of opinions i've heard as to an answer to the fermi paradox is pretty much the same as what Isaac Arthur mentions early on in this video. In essence, the reasoning is in the vein of "if there is alien life out there, why haven't seen it - we haven't seen it because it's probably very rare or not there at all - probably only microbial". Sorry for my lazy articulation - but in any event. Personally, i find that answer arrogant - as in typical humanity level arrogance. We've barely been discovering other planets for half a century (plus minus). We've barely been learning specifics about those planets for about half that time. Essentially, it's like a teenager just leaving his parents house saying i know, i know. Our galaxy contains around 100 or 200 billion stars (around there, but check me rather). Estimates for the observable universe - 100 billion galaxies (most definitely far less than what there is). My math is really bad, but i'd take a wager and say we have a wholly insufficient set of collective data to "guesstimate" (at freakin best) the probability of life OR intelligent life. Take, for example, the early conditions that were present to get life going on earth. Within a PROBABILITY pool of 100 billion x 100 billion (just for argument's sake..) stars, how unlikely would those conditions be to reoccur? Then take the next set of conditions (as earth aged) and factor in how unlikely that would be (or likely, whichever). And, keep in mind, this is simply to toy around with the idea of how uncommon or common the conditions for life, as it happened on earth, is out there. We simply don't know of other examples of life to know what other conditions could spawn it's own versions of life. They even say silicon based life is theoretically possible, as an example. Although, carbon is far more common in the universe so that at least remains a statistical more-than likely candidate. You basically come up with a shitload of gaps that you have to fill with best guesses (albeit guesses based of solid science so far). Maybe when one day we've catalogued (with space age level telescopes / scans) 5% of the milky way's star systems - maybe then we've got more of a proverbial right to say "nah, life's probably not that common" (and that's still bloody arrogant, considering i said 5% of the milky way and not the observable universe). Wouldn't you think?
Yes but we are products of evolution and so would alien life so it's pretty reasonable to assume some comparable behaviours and instincts. Again this line of reasoning just breaks down any discussion because it's like saying what if the laws of physics aren't the same elsewhere in the universe? Because when you introduce that concept you can no longer really make any sort of reasonable speculation. Plus we can't assume all alien civilisations are very different to us.
