The answer is because Broly is the legendary Saiyan. He is an abnormal Saiyan that appears every 1000 years. His energy is basically limitless and he adapts extremely quicker than other Saiyan's.
I think Broly is a lot like a much more powerful Gohan in a way. His potential is probably even higher than Goku and Vegeta, he just never had something push him that hard before. Vegeta going God kicked his Saiyan blood in the ass though, and he grew exponentially because of that. When he triggered Super Saiyan he didn't just go into a regular form, he entered the True Super Saiyan state through immense sorrow. Goku is the Fighter Vegeta kinda fits Martial Artist/Mage and Broly is the Berserker. Way stronger than everyone else but equally uncontrollable to the point of beating God Ki. If Broly had more time to grow and get stronger he probably would have defeated Gogeta. Gogeta however is a fusion with an immense base power level, probably putting him at the power of Blue Vegeta and Goku combined as a Super Saiyan. Gogeta also had far more experience than Broly overall. If Broly had Super Saiyan for longer he might have been able to overwhelm him eventually though. Broly was basically operating entirely on animalistic instinct by the time he went Wrath. He was basically turning half Super Saiyan 4 and then he stacked Super Saiyan and the Legendary state on top. Broly with the same training Goku and Vegeta went through and God Ki. That is a scary thought.
Dylan Reed Broly just needs to learn to control his power just like kale did. If he can learn to tap into those forms whenever he needs to he certainly would give Gogeta a better run for his money. I think the only reason Gogeta was beating him so bad was because he immediately went blue after super saiyan. If he went ssj2 against legendary super Saiyan Broly he probably would have been beaten still. I can see him and Broly at the same level of power when Broly’ sin legendary super saiyan and Gogeta is in ssj3 or god. Blue is just overkill though
@@ugp0978 Yeah I personally think Gogeta took a lot after Vegeta in that regard. It was relatively even and Broly was winning after he went legendary, then blue came out and murdered him. Gogeta also had one or two more forms still if we're counting Kaioken, so even if we got to that point Broly was screwed unless he got SSJ2 or had a lot more control. To be fair though, it would not have been a good idea to hold back against someone who grows at that fast of a rate.
@@rummymossberg6097I Watch the movie, broly was always known for his rage. A fighting genius would be someone like hit,master roshi, shin, dr gero,ect. King piccolo was equal to goku increased power, yet king piccolo,his full power wasn't enough due to stamina, does that mean king piccolo is a fighting genius.
if broly train like goku he would be dead, killed by beerus or somone else. he needs to train harder, mostly his mind to not lose it when he transforms.
@Leo Coyne The potara fusion being stronger was retconned so Gogeta is as strong as Vegito. Broly was teased as being the strongest enemy they faced yet but I don't see how he's stronger than Jiren. No way. I do agree that he's on Beerus's level though.
Chris K He was putting a pretty decent fight for what it was. He just ended up getting overwhelmed and got tired quickly. He had been fighting the entire time as hard as he possibly could. Guy had to get tired eventually
@@therosejoker3685 It was never explicitly confirmed but it's what they were trying to hint. When Whis said in a universe there lives a mortal even a GoD cannot defeat and that GoD is stronger than Beerus. Obviously Beerus then comes back and said it was only arm wrestling.
You're right his saiyan cells are in full effect due to being pure hearted and on top of that the ape form enhanced his current power more since he turned super saiyan for the first time and he was not going toe to toe gogeta was playing with him
Mephallyon of the Scourge that’s what im sayin to people tho this is this niggas first real fight and he’s close to being able to hang with blue gogeta
Ricardo Milos F.B.I I’ve watched the movie 6 times and replayed the fight on RU-vid almost 20 times, I’m talking about actually landing a solid blow not if they touched each other or of gogeta blocked a punch or something
New movie retcons legendary saiyan.. only paragus says legendary bc hes never seen ss1.. ss1 is legendary to him no matter who's doing it. Goten is legendary in his eyes.
Corey Tucker yes exactly that’s the real answer broly is the saiyan version of frieza he is a mutant of his race which is why he’s power grows so much when he only trains a little just like when frieza trained and was able to jump from the names saga all the way to ssgss
Chris Kringle in the Japanese version of the movie king vegeta says that broly is a mutant and in the dub he says that broly is a freak which is probably why most ignore it or don’t know about it
@@gerardoa9179 goku was found and trained by old man gohan, his life and broly are drastically difference so what are you talking about? Or are you just whining just to whine?
Dont hate on the man its Brolys character. It's clearly stated in the beginning of the movie that Brolt has an abnormally high battle power one that rivals even Vegetas. It's what the whole movie was based on.... why you surprised?
I always thought of Broly's power as unconsciously evolving in strength to always overwhelm his opponent. The only way to stop him is to kill him, and good luck with that
Broly isn't shackled to his rage to produce power. It may be the quickest way he taps into it, but you've not understood the subtlety of it. The more power he gets the more energetic he becomes. His rage doesn't dictate his level of power. His level of power adds anger, but he's able to tap into a level and type of power that's a true rarity in the universe. Beerus stated himself that all mortals draw their strength from the universe, but has no affect on him. Zamasu even stated that Goku and Vegeta didn't create the transformational energy of Blue.
They say Broly is a mutant, so my belief is that Legendary Super Saiyan is a form that uses the full potential of it's base Saiyan, causing it's host to be on verge of Oozaru AND Super Saiyan at the same time, all the time, basically like an incomplete form of Super Saiyan 4 from GT. The forms can trigger separately and passively join, leading to the many different forms Broly seems to take in the films. This would explain the massive muscle size increase and the loss of focus that comes from the form, as well as the power this man unleashes during the movie; This man is probably at Super Saiyan 4 levels for strength, without even pushing himself. On top of this, emotional stimulus is a part of a Saiyan's power, as Akira has noted multiple times with S-Cells. And Broly seems to be kind-hearted when not agitated, meaning he's passively increasing his capabilities until when he eventually does loose control next. This would explain why it's so easy for him to pull out so much power so quickly, because he, like our orange plot-armored protagonist god, has a passive personality, a rare disposition amongst the warrior race. Something else that could be adding to his strength in the films is Zenkai: Broly seems to almost relish punishment in his films, like he almost wants to tank it, and this Lengendary form, if it does in fact merge Super Saiyan and Oozaru passively, may have some accelerated healing factor, leaving to instant Zenkai boosts as he becomes more and more battle damaged, meaning fatigue, damage, concussions and pain in a fight would only serve to strengthen Broly if it didn't straight out take him out. I personally like the new Broly, so with an interesting power and a revised backstory, my love for the feral madman has reawoken, an with him, body's will trail in my wake on FighterZ.
@@jomthetyrantpeguero9763 I like these explanations as it actually gives usefulness to the transformation itself instead of people saying "its only his base that kales him so strong, hes at his peak now and must train like the others. And that green form isnt legendary, it's full power super saiyan which is just a mix of his supressed oozaru and ssj, it isn't strong." ^f those people, but good theory I like it.
I think Paragus' training had a huge impact on Broly's training. Remember that Sheelai read Paragus had a battle power of 4200 in base w/o it being raised.
it has already been stated in the movie that he has mutated saiyan genes. he is a mutant for crying out loud and there are 1 in a million of them as per the scientist. that's why he is put in the elite's capsule/chamber as well for further observation. 🤔
@@Deathmare235 probably because she is from universe 6. universe 7 is where broly is from and the two universes are similar but yet they are still different.
Toe to toe, meaning he was durable or generally was able to hold his own even though Gogeta sent several blows at him. You're simply overestimating the term 'toe to toe'.
@@UmarAli-tq8pl Bro he really went toe to toe with super saiyan Gogeta, as soon as they transformed in to super saiyan blue, it was a pretty one sided fight.
@@MAR-sc7np that was before he went "Legendary Super Saiyan"as some people call it. Anyways, I would appreciate it if you didnt reply to a 5 month old comment.
You know I never stop thinking... How on earth did Paragus was able to create something as complicated as a shock collar and what's powering it throughout these years?!
Bardock mentioned about earth being behind in technology. They have space ships that can travel indefinitely, dint hear any reference abt refuelling. Not to mention, guns that can shoot lasers. All the saiyyans had quite a good amount of knowledge on technology i guess. While paragus was stranded in Vampa, the other guy mentioned about the floater being damaged. Guess he may have used some key components inside the floater to make it.
This is explained by a TFS theory. Sayians conqured planets. Dont you think they took slaves? Hence the shock collars. And from where? Well that ship he went to rescue Broly. boom! :D
It never grew with him It's an ear from one of the monsters on his planet that was his first friend. He said he kept it him his dad cut the ear off but he probably started wearing it when he got older and was able to wrap it around him
I for one don’t want Broly to be a traditional “Martial Artist” , I do want him to control his power but I also want him to keep his signature “wrestler/savage” fighting style, I belive that’s a big part of his character...we have the strategic and tactile vegeta, the more free flow /varied technique Goku, and we could have the insanely strong and brutal Broly...it gives a dynamic and also for the story sake...it opens him up to defeat at some point if an opponent can out smart him ...I guess I’m trying to describe him like Venom...he is a monster yet he is conscious and use his powers thoughtfully and was made to be superior to Spider-Man yet Spider-Man can win with outsmarting him
Cool Guy yeah if he could control his power it just wouldn’t be Broly, I mean they already made him now a good guy which is kinda annoying. But Broly is pretty supposed to be the Hulk; a brute, brawler type fighting style, no martial arts over here
I think the new Broly matches the original super sayian legend even more now than he did before. When Vegeta talks about SSJ originally, a great ape is shown. Broly is now the only sayian to officially draw power from the great ape form.
Ramona Williams even so, I’m sure that Broly and Kale’s full power ssj are just that. What super saiyan is meant to be, the true form of ssj if you will
@@Ramona122003 True, but if they decide to call him the legendary super sayian down the road it'll work well. Also new canon Broly isn't in the manga (besides one page) because the movie takes place between arcs.
I always explained Broly's strength in the DBS movie by looking at how much Goku's power level increased between being a baby and Namely when he fought Frieza. He went from 2 to 3 million. That's a 1.5 million times increase, if you give that same increase to Broly starting at 10,000 and multiplying it by 1.5 million it puts his BASE form at 15 billion. 15 billion in base form otherwise known as 100 Super Saiyan Gokus on Namek. Throw in the 3 transformations he has and Broly's massive potential for learning and growth and I wouldn't find it too whack if he was God of Destruction level.
But why was he born that strong? In the millions of years of saiyan history you'd be a legend for having a power level above 20k. Gokue achieving 3 million was the stuff of legends, now this guy who's never fought anyone gets 1500 billion times stronger in 1 fight and is born as stronger than an elite warrior? It's like saying my human baby was born faster than Usain bolt but became faster than the flash after he had 1 race. It's just an ass pull that writers made to make him competitive with super saiyan blue.
I think his strength increases not just by anger, but I also think his ki continues to rise as he fights like the original broly, permanently increasing his power overall. The anger just acts as an amplifier on top of the transformations
@ broly has always been mild mannered until he got triggered. They just removed the stupid crying goku reasoning for it. This broly is dope as fuck, and would have been a giant asset in the tournament of power.
I love how people say broly was mild lol wow that’s bs the original broly was a beast a psychotic killer not a pussy like goku, an now that they added gogeta ( a gt character that people bitched about ) he’s now better then b4, noway the original was always violent an blood thirsty now he’s just trunks a disappointment.
@ Most saiyans still are. This movie has a more realistic take on the saiyan race. It makes sense that some would be non combatants, like Beets or Gine.
Base form Broly vs. Planet Namek Saga base form Broly Wait, where was Broly during the Planet Namek Saga? How strong could he get at that time? How did nobody know about him? I haven’t watched the Broly film, so I don’t know if this is explained.
@@chaosdweller For realzees? If so watch Team Four Star's Dragon Ball Z parody. My reference comes from the parody of the original Brocoli movie. It's funny is maximum!
Kaos Jay he didn’t let him do anything they been trying to beat him they didn’t they needed to turn blue unless he was way too strong and he was stop acting like broly weak asf or sum
@@da_hitmanhart6650 I admit broly was growing in power against ssb gogeta but even after surviving the soul punisher gogeta continued to wreck And broly got no clear hits on blue gogeta only regular SS Gogeta Also blue gogeta was holding back you could tell by the fact he wasn't worried at all
@@broly6846 gogeta blue was toying with him the whole time, he didn't get hit once when he went blue And saying broly was on par with gogeta blue because he took brutal attacks is like saying golden frieza went toe to toe with SS Broly since he fought him for an hour straight and didn't show ant kind of serious injures
Vegeta Exactly. There is no reasonable explanation to how Broly would be able to stand up to God-forms. The movie was amazing and all, but that‘s just absolute bullshit imo
ImTheWaffleman It‘s not stupid, it‘s true. Toriyama is super inconsistent, forgets a crapton of his own chars or ideas and introduces new chars, without reasonable explanation. Jiren and Super Broly are the perfect examples. There is no explanation for them to be that strong. It‘s just for the sake of cool battles. Which is why Naruto and HunterxHunter will always be the superiour Animes imo
Johnny Kilroy What power scaling? He is a beast yes, but so are Goku and Vegeta. They trained under an Angel... they are at the level of Gods. Multiple times stronger than Buu was, who was deemed powerful enough to destroy galaxies. Now Broly comes along and somehow keeps up with god-level powers... without training. Just cause he is Broly. It‘s like Jiren, an absolute asspull just for the sake of strong enemies.
I love the fact that Broly has clear hard caps pre transformations, he gets more and more powerful but there is a limit: Base stops pre SSJG Wrathful stops pre Full Power SSJB SSJ stops pre SSJ Gogeta Legendary stops pre SSJB Gogeta.
Its called "Full Power Super Saiyan" and he never stopped Gogeta Blue. Blue Gogeta easily dodged all of his attacks and basically was still going easy on him.
Not true, I think the ape form transformation gets stronger and adaptable as your base form gets stronger. It was sort of implied in GT even though it's not canon when goku ssj3 could not beat baby vegeta but golden great ape goku was able to push him back.
They say Broly is a mutant, so my belief is that Legendary Super Saiyan is a form that uses the full potential of it's base Saiyan, causing it's host to be on verge of Oozaru AND Super Saiyan at the same time, all the time, basically like an incomplete form of Super Saiyan 4 from GT. The forms can trigger separately and passively join, leading to the many different forms Broly seems to take in the films. This would explain the massive muscle size increase and the loss of focus that comes from the form, as well as the power this man unleashes during the movie; This man is probably at Super Saiyan 4 levels for strength, without even pushing himself. On top of this, emotional stimulus is a part of a Saiyan's power, as Akira has noted multiple times with S-Cells. And Broly seems to be kind-hearted when not agitated, meaning he's passively increasing his capabilities until when he eventually does loose control next. This would explain why it's so easy for him to pull out so much power so quickly, because he, like our orange plot-armored protagonist god, has a passive personality, a rare disposition amongst the warrior race. Something else that could be adding to his strength in the films is Zenkai: Broly seems to almost relish punishment in his films, like he almost wants to tank it, and this Lengendary form, if it does in fact merge Super Saiyan and Oozaru passively, may have some accelerated healing factor, leaving to instant Zenkai boosts as he becomes more and more battle damaged, meaning fatigue, damage, concussions and pain in a fight would only serve to strengthen Broly if it didn't straight out take him out. I personally like the new Broly, so with an interesting power and a revised backstory, my love for the feral madman has reawoken, an with him, body's will trail in my wake on FighterZ.
Golden frieza is pretty unbreakable, he survived destruction energy twice, and probably got some extra training in after TOP, which by DBS logic ridiculously boosts his powers, reason why he survived for so long imo.
Manuel Machado stop trying to explain bad writing lol. Vegeta and Goku together couldn’t handle Broly for 5minutes and had to run. Frieza, alone and weaker than both got beat up for 1 hour. It’s just for plot convenience cause it literally makes no sense
Wrong. When Gogeta arrived back to the scene Broly was trying to land a hit on Whis. Seeing how fast Broly took out Goku and Vegeta in blue super sayain form I highly doubt that Golden Freiza lasted any longer on his own let alone a whole hour. Whis clearly intervened to buy the time Goku and Vegeta needed to fuse correctly. He is the guardian of a God so he must've known they needed more time. Since this takes place after the tournament of power perhaps Whis grew a soft spot for Freiza after helping Goku defeat Jiren.
Joseph Luna You clearly see in the movie Frieza getting beating up during the time they were practicing fusion. The moment Broly left to fight Whis, Gogeta instant transmission in front of Frieza. So yes, he did get his ass whooped for an hour
@@mugen4516 Yea, I don't know why the writers thought we needed to see the Trunks/Goten fusion fuck ups again. Then again, the whole movie was fan service.
This was fantastic! Several points you made have helped me refine my own theory about Broly, and what it means to be The Legendary Super Saiyan. And you made a couple points that I thought no-one other than me had noticed or thought up before. Great stuff! Appreciate it!
He says it was anger, but the anger only helped him draw out his power. IT IS NOT what made him so strong in the first place. Anger is not the reason Broly is so strong. He is wrong, plain and simple.
Surpressed humanoid great ape form? Dude lets just call it feral form thats it, btw its pretty obvious the secret to broly being insanely powerful... DECADES OF ZERO WATER AND JUST PURE BUG JUICE
No ssj4 is not going to be canon stop hoping for it, and the form is just feral form they say it in the movie stop trying to change it to something dumb like what dumb fans did with ssgss
Broly is just like frieza, the only mutants of their races. That’s simply it he’s a mutant with an advanced Zenki and his super Saiyan form has limitless energy power
Broly is my new favorite character i really hope they make him part of the gang. I hope goku will train him and maybe even whis trains him of he becomes a god of destruction
@@supermanprime2043 in the first place it would be really boring. Especially for Gohan and Broly. They have their own unique forms so learning them that god crap would ruin everything. As for Goten and Trunks?... well if that takes it to finally write them INTO the story then fine I guess.
You call the fight between broly n ssgss gogeta a competition😂 he got his ass beat granted if they wouldve just kept fighting separately, that wouldve gave broly enough time to surpass them even more
Not true. The legendary super saiyan rumor was already out when they were kids. Vegeta knew about it when he was a kid, old story vegeta was a lot older than broly. New story about same age. U can't have a rumor like that if everyone was wiped out and no one could tell those stories.
@@DeeMulaah before this movie came out. Bardock and the rest talked bout it even before broly was born the rumors were out so no, Vegeta n Goku just assumed that he was it.
@@jcm7910 Yeah you misunderstood my entire comment. The only in character in the show (that we've actually seen)that has been referred to as the Legendary Super Sayian is Broly. Some of the games even have the title alongside his name. That's what I meant.
Right? The first 10 minutes on Vegeta had me tearing up a bit even though I knew what was gonna happen. Seeing Bardock as the only one trying to stop it broke my heart
its a fair explanation but god damn if its that easy for a saiyen reach that level of power it de-values the years of grinding goku/vegeta had overcome.
I suppose we can compare this with people with natural talent. Anyone can train to be a singer and can spend years of training to be really good at it but against someone who is really born with the talent, I imagine it would be a breeze for them to learn how to sing or at least they can catch up really quick.
No I disagree it actually makes complete sense if you think about it, Broly is a Saiyan prodigy which the closest thing I would say to that would be Gohan cause he was so strong and had alot of potential, but broly probably had power levels way higher than his, even as a child he had a power level greater than most Saiyan adults which is understandable, Goku is a low class Saiyan warrior and was able to get as strong as he is which is very strong Vegeta is a Saiyan elite and was able to get as strong as he is also so it's not hard to assume that a prodigy of that race meaning he has far more natural talent than them both and potential would be able to trancend those years of training they would have to do to be able to equal and surpass them eventually if broly was put through all the stuff Goku and Vegeta had to go through he would just be to strong and most importantly...cause of plot
I don't think Broly is the kind of fighter hat could clear his mind and achieve inner peace during a fight, which is essentially what ultra instinct is. Broly has more of a destructive type of energy, so i could see him easily learning the techniques of gods of destruction like "hakai".
@@Chadow_walker broly needed to be on the verge of death to gain a zenkai boost. A hole punched thru his body for example, he only gained battle experience from the gogeta fight.
I find it pretty simple. It's just his base level is OBSCENELY strong. If you look at it at base levels, then it makes slightly more sense. The multipliers have more to multiply. He's just an abnormally strong mortal that happens to have access to Super Saiyan shenanigans.
it would make more sense if he wasn't a saiyan. he is way too strong to be a "gifted" or "mutated" saiyan. his power is too high. old broly was understandable in terms of power level.
@@pride7416 The strongest people in this series have historically, and consistently been saiyans. Did you just say he was too strong for a saiyan? A being literally designed for combat? A being that gets stronger after every major fight, or serious injury? There is no such thing as "too strong" for a saiyan. That's why they're SAIYANS. There shtick IS that their species has no limits.
This was a great breakdown. Personally, I look at Broly as the Superman Prime of his species. He’s the genetic pinnacle of the saiyan race. A psychopathic beast traumatized by tragedy in his early life. He does grow in might like the Hulk when angry, but Broly is a naturally intelligent, combative genius, unlike the Hulk who’s practically a gamma charged gorilla. Nonetheless, I hope they bring him back for an appearance in the next DBZ movie. I don’t know how they are goin to top the last one. They are goin to need help directly from God himself to outdo the fight in the last one cause I was like coked up Chuck Liddell in the theatre buggin the hell out from that glorious film!
@@Tx-qk3zj a zenki is when a sayian is injured in battle recover and gains a power boost different thing can affect the boost such as injure severity and plot lmao good ol plot
Pretty sure yes because 1) Money 2) Toriyama script is 3 hours long which if adapted, last for 12-13 episode 3) Manga will be ahead of anime like classic db Let's just hope that if broly arc got adapted, the animation won't turn to be episode 5 all over again
@@charlesstanford3904 2 words, basic math We all know toriyama's script is 3 hours. Each episode last 20 minutes. 3 hours = 180 minutes 180 minutes = 9 episodes I added 3-4 more episode because they will surely do a slice of life episode pre and post battle with broly Edited: other movie recap last longer because they completely drag the episode like an episode dedicated to vegeta trying to impress beerus or super saiyan god ritual last for an episode
I’m still going with my explanation of why he is so strong: Broly is so strong since he is just the perfect Saiyan, notice how throughout the fight Broly tapped into power he didn’t know he had when either from a beating from a strong opponent or from emotion. To me this meant that Broly’s Genes 🧬 like the vid said from rage pushing him further but I say also from his DNA adapting to the pain an strength of an opponent then applying this to Broly exponentially. Also I feel like Akria Toriyama wanted us to foresee how to possibly defeat Broly with the fight between Broly and Vegeta, by having to jump to a power far from what you are at right now to overpower his possible “adaptation” to your strength finishing it with a final blow killing him or he will come back and overpower you. Getting this from the vegeta going from ssj to ssjg being a massive jump, and then also with Gogeta ssj to Gogeta ssjb Sorry for being a long comment please read
They hinted numerous times that the Legendary Super Saiyan (or whatever you wanna call it) has unlimited power and never stops to grow. Both within and outside the Super series, with Broly, with Kale, with Kefla... Like having even more ridicolous senkais all the time, I dunno. Maybe they're more saiyans than the other saiyans, to put it in some way.
Paton Broly’s green hair form (DBS) is “Full Power” ssj Full power, meaning the maximum Lssj Broly (Z) says “my power is rising, over flowing” which means that he’s at his limit, he’s just leaking energy at that point
Just wanna state that even though the fight lasted a while, gogeta blue was definitely holding back and even though it looked spectacular, gogeta wasn’t really given a challenge when he went blue like broly only hit him like 1 time after he went blue it was mostly gogeta dodging and dragging out the fight forever
That fight lasted exactly as long as it needed. Broly shows no sign of powering down. Before the final beat down he powers up again after just getting strong enough to flex his shirt off. The whole fight Broly is getting punched like everyone else and he looks like he just stepped out of a car wash. Broly is just shown to have a shit ton of endurance. When he finally looked damaged at the very end he look healthier than goku was when Broly was fighting him. I’m pretty sure Gogeta kept ramping it up bit by bit noticing that his current power output wasn’t gonna cut it, until final,y he had no choice but to nuke him before either their fusion ran out or Broly got stronger.
Nah gogeta was throwing all his best moves at broly and planning to finish him off right as he turn blue, he’s like the opposite of vegito because he doesn’t really hold back and get cocky, he just gets the job done.
