You are conflating two separate things. Poles are not against homosexuals in general, but against an artificial ideology influencing a culture that works and that people like. The other thing is that homosexuality is a sin - according to Catholic people, we are all sinners and this does not mean that they are bad. It's just a sin.
@@lerubenfeld LGBTQIA+ IS an artificial construct. Ironically, this is the biggest enemy of homosexuals in Poland. Things would be different if this neomarxist lobby wasn't present. Relativism all around, changing flags from time to time due to the discovery of some 'new spectra', sick parades, it's just ridiculous. I don't care if someone's gay, queer, transgender - that's not for me to judge in any way and the only thing I can do is to accept them. Of course, there are homophobes in Poland - I won't deny but the problem in all of this is to understand common Polish way of thinking. I am not sure if you noticed but the Polish are people who respect their own privacies - kind of similar to Japanese people. Edit: I also have friends who are gay and they would be lovely parents, and I wish that for them in the future... but marking an LGBTQIA+ label on them, would put them in a lost position from the very beginning. LGBTQIA+ lobbies are associated with the extreme left and neomarxist, they are in the same group as all people who now try to destroy cultural heritages and the whole popculture or those hypocrites who block the roads to stop the utilisation of oil but they do it in the wrong countries.
@@lerubenfeld Look for Iwaszkiewicz: he was a Tsar of polish literature, born in Ukraine in landlords family. He successfully negotiated with the communists. He was part of establishment, gay, venerated by the establishment, had a state funeral with all the honors. Of course, he was a Roman Catholic. There were couple of gays in TV and artistic circles in communist times as well. This is freedom and tolerance Polish way. Where the idea came from that gays should gather together, march, celebrate pride and talk BS stuff? This is some stupid idea, we in Poland do not appreciate. We call it gender ideology and we see connection between those ideas and Marxism. Gender ideology defines discriminated groups based on sexual orientation, which is against what we believe. In Poland gays could be conservative members of society and respected. We don’t need gay movement in our society.
And this is about a country where some of the biggest heroes were openly gay and nobody ever made a problem (Jozef Bem for instance). We never had any laws whatsoever banning or penalising homosexuals (unlike in the UK, Belgium or Germany, to name a few). Poles traditionally are an individualist and freedom loving people, bordering on pure anarchy sometimes, but with a “don’t mess with me and I won’t mess with you” type attitude. Really, man, you’re barking up the wrong tree.
@@Moresteck Because marriage is between MAN and WOMAN. Marriage start basic collective called FAMILLY where children are born ,which is biggest contribution to community. End of story.
@@mikze123 If marriage is for couples who can potentially produce an offspring, then why are older people, who cannot have children and are not planning to adopt, allowed to marry?
@@sylwiapro2791 Still would be marriage. There are no defined AGE since you cannot have children. Stop trying to exploit definition and searching for exceptions. I've never said that marriage HAVE to end with chilrden but that children are usually born in marriages. Some young couples cannot have kids also, you don't need to be old to have this problem.
@@sylwiapro2791 ALso I don't understand why gay people who are mostly progresive and deny most of traditional insitutions are so obsessed about mariage. Why they care so much to change it. Why they cannot invent something new instead changing old definitions. I think I know Though I won't say here It because I will get banned.
Cześć Michael. Zebrałem takie 3 aspekty tej kwestii: 1. Większość ludzi nie miałaby problemu, żeby pary homoseksualne żyły razem, pracowały, dzieliły się obowiązkami i spędzały czas jak pary heteroseksualne. 2. Duża część ludzi ma problem z kwestią adopcji i wychowania dziecka przez pary homoseksualne. To ludzie, którzy uważają, że wzorcem i archetypem pary jest kobieta i mężczyzna, którzy mogą mieć dzieci. Oczywiście jest wiele par heteroseksualnych, które nie mogą mieć dzieci. Tu jest jednak szansa na leczenie. U par homoseksualnych nie. Tu wchodzi w rachubę invitro albo zapłodnienie przez mężczyznę kobiety homoseksualnej a u mężczyzn nie ma takiej opcji wcale. Tam tylko adopcja. 3. Wielu ludzi boi się, że mniejszość będzie żądała większych praw, niż większość. Wielu ludzi obawia się, że usłyszy, że bycie heteroseksualnym jest niemodne i są anachroniczni w swoich tradycyjnych związkach. Nie wspominam tu już o 256 gatunkach i żądań, żeby kogoś traktować jak sobie wymyślił. Np. że jest jednorożcem. To są moje zebrane doświadczenia z obserwacji. Myślę, że tak wygląda patrzenie dużej części polskiego społeczeństwa na tę kwestię. Pozdrawiam i szanuję wszystkich, którzy mają szacunek, miłość i zrozumienie do drugiego człowieka 🤗
A jednak w innych krajach małżeństwa homoseksualistów są zalegalizowane i od tego państwo czy społeczeństwo nie ucierpiało w żaden sposób. W żadnym z tych państw "roszczenia" homoseksualistów nie oburzają większości. Chodziło o określenie zestawu praw i przywilejów a gdy się to stało, to temat przestał być dyskutowany, bo nie jest żadnym problemem. Przypominam, że znaczna większość państw unijnych wprowadziła związki partnerskie albo małżeństwa homoseksualne i niczego to w tych państwach nie wywróciło do góry nogami. Zabawne, że to akurat Polska ma największy w Europie kryzys demograficzny a nie któryś z tych krajów, gdzie małżeństwa jednopłciowe są faktem.
@@PiotrJaser Kolego, pomijasz kilka kwesti. To ze nie ma to zadnego wplywu na spoleczenstwo to bzdura totalna. W krajach szeroko pojetego zachodu, gdzie jest to mozna by rzec powszechne, zdarza sie ze osoby heteroseksualne spotykaja sie z ostracyzmem, podczas gdy w polsce jest to raczej atakowana grupa. Z ostracyzmem rowniez sie spotykaja ludzie homoseksualni ktorzy nie za bardzo chca miec cokolwiek wspolnego z ruchem lgbt, ktory juz dawno przestal byc tylko i wylacznie ruchem ktory jedynie zrzesza osoby innej orientacji. W koncu ciekawostka ze bialy, wierzacy, heteroseksualny mezczyzna to najgorsze zlo - w Polsce jest to traktowane jako zart, bo lgbt nie jest tu popularne jak w krajach z ktorego to przybylo. Wszystkie lewicowe odchyly, czyli szczekanie, walka z klimatem polegajaca na szkodzeniu otoczeniu, kilka lat temu polacy mogli zobaczyc to co najwyzej w internecie. Dzis jest troche inaczej. Inną sprawa jest problem demograficzny. Na zachodzie jest on wyzszy, bo jednak wpuszczanie masowo imigrantow i ogromny socjal, gdzie imigranci wprost sie nim chwala, zrobilo swoje. Przykladowo Niemcy nie chca sie rozmnazac, i juz nie bede sie wdawal w teorie spiskowe ze to wina kilku procent spoleczenstwa, a przynajmniej nie bezposrednio. Posrednio rowniez pewnie wplywaja jakies stronki typu pudelek, gdzie coraz popularniejszym zabiegem jest przekonywanie mlodych ludzi do posiadania zwierzaczka a nie dziecka. Kilka lat temu kociary kojarzyly sie z dziwnymi starszymi paniami, a dzis ze tak powiem, srednia wieku mocno spadla... albo ze robienie kariery jest lepsze od posiadania dzieci. Jest tez pewnie o wiele wiecej "kontrowersyjnych" powodow, i jaki one maja wplyw na dzietnosc? Nie wiem, poniewaz nikt nie zrobil na ten temat badan, ale mozna sie jedynie domyslac.
@dragonaspect22 też mam wrażenie, że ruchy LGBTQ+ to obecnie bardziej polityka i straciły już z oczu pierwotną misję, tj. ochronę mniejszości aseksualnych. Znam głównie przypadki osób homoseksualnych, które nie potrzebują lub wręcz nie chcą, by reprezentowały je takie organizacje. Tak, jak wielu pracowników nie chce być w Związkach Zawodowych. One z założenia mogą pomagać, ale jak zaczynają się upolityczniać, tracą swój sens. Pozdrawiam.
We are not homophobic! We just refuse to sorund them with adoration. We also don't bother if someone is homosexual or not, but is he a decent man! Nobody in polish history was prosecuted for beeing gay! There were some prominent people, openly gay in Poland between I and II World War(like Karol Szymanowski). So, we are not homophobic, but we don't like when these, not so normal sexual behavior, is forced on us, and we are forced to adore them for what they like to do with their genitals. That's everybody's privat matter. BTW - the "free form LGBT" town banner was prepared by LGBT activist to ridicule Poland. Polish MP known only for his homosexual orientation (no other qualities) told in the EU parliament, that he was denided to enter certain places because he was gay. When asked by other Polish EU MP to name one, he couldn't name one to verify his claims. On the opposite - in Germany the last person convicted for being gay, left the prison in 90' if I remember correctly. Or UK - prosecuted their homosexuals for centuries, even those great ones like Alan Touring.
We are not homophobic but you are, that's for sure! 'not so normal sexual behaviour'? Really? 67% of Poles support the possibility of same-sex marriages or other forms of legalizing such unions. 61% of Poles believe that transgender individuals experience significant discrimination, and 64% agree that they should be protected from discrimination in public and professional life. (IPSOS 2023)
I didn't want to listen to this guy's argument but let me refer to the title, it's good that there are no homophobes in the Canada and there is no racism or homeless people just a perfect country besides, this is such a simplification of ,,Why is Poland so homophobic?''the overwhelming majority of people here are tolerant and if small % have a problem with it, your title suggests that it's all of Poland you should write why in Poland we have such and no other law Besides, the fact that in Canada such couples have more rights does not make them less homophobes they just have more rights I assume that you have been in Poland since you know Poles so well and you write such a title ?
Even though I am an advocate of same-sex marriage or the adoption of children by homosexual couples, many of the demands presented by the LGBT community in Poland are unacceptable to me. The main example may be limiting freedom of speech. We already have a stupid provision in Poland about defending religious feelings. Protection against "hate speech" or "protection of feelings" is not an option in any case. Another example of an area where I completely disagree with the LGBT community is education and medicine. The LGBT community, just like some conservative or nationalist communities, tries to impose its top-down program of teaching and raising children. I am a supporter of the greatest possible flexibility and decentralization of education. Anyone who tries to impose one correct way of interpreting the world is a threat to me (sometimes even existential). When it comes to medicine, I am simply against promoting hormone therapy as safe and proven. According to the current state of knowledge, these therapies are not safe and proven. Despite this, LGBT communities promote them as something necessary because children commit suicide. This is simple emotional blackmail on doctors who currently have nothing else to approve (especially in the USA, I suspect in Canada too). In addition, of course, there is the phenomenon of cancel culture, which generally occurs in highly ideological environments. There is even a joke in Poland that "the left/right gets stronger through division." It is, of course, about an internal fight for the purity of views. I could write something else about post-modernist philosophy, which I don't agree with, but I don't think there's a need. The general point is that even if such demands as marriage or adoption are perfectly fine, they are mixed with a lot of other demands. If you do not agree with limiting freedom of speech or raising children according to imposed patterns, you become homophobes, fascists, nazis, etc. Maybe it would be easier for the entire LGBT community to fight for marriage or adoption, for example, if they did not divide the world into the good ones (those who are with them). ) and the bad ones who disagree with them on anything.
The Poles have better things to do, than accupy their time with lgbt. If You dont pusch Your views on others You will be accepted and respected. As a rule it is different and don't play well if someone wants to bring a foreign ideology (or seen as foreign) onto the Poles. It does not mather if it is lgbt, or eny other ideology. BTW Mihael, are those body-bags in the back seat😯 ? ! You always have my thumb up. THX for your work.
In Poland, homosexuality has never been punished, unlike in Western Europe. If you claim otherwise, give an example of a sentence for homosexuality or the law that mentions criminality in an earlier period, and the fact that the law on no criminal record was introduced in 1932 does not mean that it was different earlier
Poland is a democratic country and we democratically decided that we do not want such people. In a democracy, the majority sets the rules, not the minority, if someone doesn't like it, they can always move to a more liberal country, we won't miss such people.
Polish peoples are not homophobic. They just treat sexuality as a private matter. You keep your sexuality in privacy of your home, not jump all over with it.
Minorities don't have to impose their will as they do in the US. Sexuality is a strictly personal matter that must remain so, but not bother others with it. It's just a question of politeness which is very strict in Poland! Homosexuals are not mistreated.
What a load of BS. If you have the same sex partner, it doesn't take a genius to figure out what your sexuality is, and thus it no longer stays personal. Not to mention that the ex-ruling party made homosexuals their boogeyman with the LGBT-free zones and all the other nonsense.
@@jakubsobiecki1842the guy is saying you can be homesexual but in your home. Well on the same reasoning we can already ban all the christian crosses in the public space.
Virgin homophobe vs chad heterophobe; "If you want to be heterosexual in your own home, go right ahead (yuck) but don't go around kissing your opposite sex partner in public (super yuck!)
Recently you're making us dislike you, imagine I moved to Canada and made videos saying why is Canada so gay and critiscising it. Please do not change our nation Mr Rubenfeld, maybe your grandparents were Poles but ultimately you're still a guest, who played no part in the reconstruction of Poland post-war, instead leaving for greener pastures when times were tough and returning when times are good.
I'm all for LGB, I belive we should make a law for people to be married, Im very ok with that. Other thing is waving flags, saying man can be woman, teach this ideology in school to make kids more and more confused. Poles are down to Earth and if you wont make any problems you will be acepted. I'm atheist but even when I was in my most religious phase I was ok with lgb. Also, I once read a great comment by a gay man about the world "queer" that was very offencive to lgb people and now is so widely used. He said he cant stand it so I will never use it. Im bothered by this subject because I always seen myself as a tolerant person and I still think I am but I wont buy anything without thinking. Also, to tolerate is not to agree. I belive this qaa+ is just a trend that will go away in 10-15 years.
Spot on. A good many gay men and lesbians say genderqueer activists are homophobic, misogynist, arrogant and deeply regressive. It's a good job we live in an era of the Internet and instant communication where "comparing notes" is so easy. Sadly, so many pple are at a loss to know exactly what's going on. A story came up in the UK the other day of a 12-year-old gay and Jewish boy who was 'harassed' by counter-terrorism after the child was reported for saying 'I'm gay, not queer' and that 'Hamas should be obliterated'.
W Polsce nigdy !!! nie wsadzano gejów do więzienia za to kim są. A w Wielkiej Brytanii i w Niemczech tak. Ostatni niemiecki homoseksualista wyszedł na wolność po odsiedzeniu wyroku ok 2000 roku więc przestańcie opowiadać głupoty o Polsce. Co innego być homoseksualistą a co innego promować lgbt.
@@marian11235813 chlopaki z bractwa gejowskiego mowia np., ze organizowane przez aktywistow LGBTQIA w szkolach i bibliotekach "drag queen story hour" dla dzieci to zly pomysl; moze o takie akcje chodzi; ja z kolei, gdyby dzieciom czytala heteroseksualna pani w stringach tez bylbym przeciw.
In general polish society isn't homophobic. There is very old conservative tollerancy: you can do whatever you want to do, but don't show off it publicly too much. There are many examples of gay couples live in small rural communities and they are accepted by the locals. Of course those couples in normal everyday situations act like other people. But of course for many activists this is too little and they want not tollerance of gay people in polish society but they want much much more. I'm gay man. I live on countryside and Im happy. I dont need LGBT activists and noise they do so often.
Even if something is fine for you it doesn't mean it is fine for others. But I'm happy that you're happy. Culture and knowledge is changing and laws should adapt accordingly.
Poland is not homophobic. Homosexuals were never persecuted by law in Poland. They were jailed in Germany and other europeand countries. I have homosexual friends who are disgusted with the LGBT movement. We don't like propaganda convincing young people that gentder identification problems are something desirable and should be admired.
Honestly, I'm Polish and I'm a TERF and I stand with JK Rowling, how about that, Michael? Besides I'm a radical feminist as well. I stand with LGB community.
Tbh You kinda struck the right cord when asking about it. We have always (historically) been extremely (for pre-modern times) tolerant viz. Jews, other faiths and even homosexuality. The only requirement was basically 'leave us alone', i.e. be a minority in your private getto and do whatever you want there. AFAIK there never was stringent hunt for homosexuals in PL; no case of an Oscar Wilde or an Alan Turing persecution by the state. Just like there never was a Dreyfus affair in free Poland. This all changed with pride parades and the West (who historically persecuted Jews, gays, blacks etc.) starting to tell us we're not modern/civilized/democratic unless we get ecstatic about minorities living contrary to the way majority lives. And in Poland, we payed with blood for many, many generations to ensure the majority can be free to live the way their ancestors did. Thank God this issue evolves. The Pope basically closed it. In Warsaw and many big cities, there's basically no problem for LGBTQ.
@@marian11235813Heterosexual, catholic, married in a traditional family model. You want to be gay, that's your life, you are free to make your own choices as long as it doesn't affect other people. But don't force the majority to accept it as equal to traditional family model. Simple. So no to legalizing gay marriages. No to forcing majority that men can be women and there are 1000 genders. No to indoctrination of kids. Of course these are laws made by the majority of Poles. We see however that the West tries to force it's ideology on us. And we don't like that. Poland never persecuted it's minorities and has a history of tolerance. Leave us alone and mind your own business.
Why would we give privliges to like two percent of population? Polish constitution clearly states that marriage is between man and a woman, and that is overwhelming majority of polish nation. There are more important subjects to take care of. In more ‚tolerant’ nations you get all lgbt privliges and also no-go zones, etc. I know people who organize queer safe zones here, its not like they are arrested for it.
There is a thin line between saying "my country" and police brutality that you are simply not aware of. What makes you think it is your country in any way? The country belongs to those who rule it.
@@marian11235813 That's what the police are for, without fear of them no one would obey the law. Those who run this country apparently agree with me, not you.
@gureedoteam5632 and you decide in your delusion that you will not be next. If you think the lgbt laws should be banned you need better arguments than usually provided, but I suspect you have none. If this is the case then you're either conformist or simply evil.
In Canada there is certain level of political correctness, in Poland is lower. In Poland everyone can express himself freely. If you are on Canadian level of political correctness you might be offended
Poland is not homophobic. Polish culture is a higher culture. It does not refer to primitive sexual instincts. Poles don't like primitivism and lgtb culture is just very low level. Lgbt culture is biological, while Polish culture is a metaphysics.
@@comdo831 Fungal creature I guess celebrates life. By decomposing old yogurt it procreates. Polish culture celebrates live as well (but maybe it too melancholic way). On the other hand, lgbt culture is all about sterility. No procreation from same sex couples or from person with fake sex organs. As we know, sterility is death. So yea, I would say fungal culture on an old yogurd is a better culture than lgbt.
I think we have a different view of what is appropriate to say and what is not. Plus some legal things about marriage. I'm not really into the topic. I don't care who people sleep with but western pride parades make me cringe.
I think most Poles just keep on preserving basedness and naturalny detesting any deviations even more so they are recently keeping on loudly intruding our polish traditional culture and explicitely opposing traditional identity heritage - what we've always been as majority. That's about all i guess.. Generally, building up any Kind of social culture on sexuality is weird and demoralizing, least to say. There are no heterosexual parades because own sexuality in healthy society is nothing to flaunt.
I think the title question has it backwards. Gay marriage was legalized in Canada in 2005 (according to Google at least), and it was apparently one of the 1st countries worldwide to do it. Pretty much E V E R. So a more pertinent question might be why is the modern west so open to the idea. That's the anomaly in the face of the rest of the world AND history.
It's a shame (it's also very weird) that this channel collected this kind of audience, since you don't even share this kind of hatred xD That's a sad reality of Poland
You confuse "phobic" with the lact of active promotion. Since Poles do not openly and formally promote LGBTQ, then they must hate them. It is a nonse, just take a deep breath and think about it. Promotion of LGBT in the West is partially a result of their not that distant hatered and persecution. Now "Westerners" try to repent for their past and compensate this by supporting LGBT. It is also widely believed that many people deep down still hate them and they must ba actively fought against and reedcuated. Poland does not have a history of persecution of this community, people do not feel like they owe anythign to them and there is no former hatedred to fight with. Yet, looking from Western perspective (like yours), not seeing this active support for LGBT is interpreded by the lenses of your culture. Poles are still stuck in the past, and the in the past everbody hated LGBT, hence they must hate them now. Oh well! Poland was always presented in the West as a backward country. In the past it was used to justify military, imperial expansion and conquest, now it is only about culture. From out stand point it is much better. We will get through this.
I don’t know what country you live in, but I live in Poland where there is constant active persecution of LGBTQ. LGBTQ Free Zones?! Duda actively campaigning against LGBTQ ideology in his last campaign. Marches against homosexuality. I had a rock thrown through my window simply for hanging a rainbow flag on my balcony. If you can’t see it, then it is likely you have only lived in Poland and it is so normalized that you can’t recognize it.
@@lerubenfeld Do you know that pre WW2 Jewish gangs managed brothels and even exported young girls to Argentina? Also many Jews supported communism. Now you are walking on very shaky ground. You are Jewish. In order for Poles to respect you, you need to be a conservative, wise person kind of rabbi figure. If you are supporting left wing politics and some deranged sexual idea and this is what half of Poles believe about LGBT, you start to fit in very negative stereotype of a Jew. Please try to fit better in general society.
As a Polish person, the comments here make me weep. Never met this many active homophobes in my day to day life though, so I guess they just appear loud online. But they do touch on one very real thing: your way of thinking about the history of homophobia is totally Western, the idea that people are against it because they think it's sinful or something. Our catholicism is more symbolic, you know, it's not that deep. The only governments that actually prosecuted gays around these lands were the Germans and then the communists. In reality, the average homophobe here think about everything queer as a sort of fetish - most people have some, I had a cousin who liked feet, whatever, just don't talk about it in front of kids-kinda-thing. My dad, an older conservative guy, was quite excited to meet a drag queen irl, but I know he would lose his mind if she performed for children. Thankfully, normalization of gay couples in certain media made this approach go away in a large group of population, and especially the youth, so I remain hopeful. It's similar with sexism. Women who stay in the kitchen, cannot own bank accounts, only dream of marriage - that is a Western thing. Here it was just impossible, too many constant wars and occupations where men disappeared (died, imprisoned, deported to Syberia etc.) Or they came back from wars, but with no limbs and alcoholic. Average woman worked hard everyday. Even those who could afford not to work would usually do things. In the XIX century, women from bigger cities owned businesses, opened schools, museums, wrote bestselling books, created renowned art, made scientific discoveries, engaged in fights against the occupiers... And yet when Westerners talk about our gender situation, they apply their own, very different history of "gender roles in society" and then they don't understand what's going on. We need wise anthropologists, sociologists etc. to analyze the cultural systems of oppression in a way that makes sense specifically for Poland, as I'm afraid without it, we won't find solutions.
I admire your courage to talk about things that bug you. I don't think Poles follow Church teachings that closely. Sometimes for kicks, at my friend's BBQ, full of Polish, successful and intelligent immigrants I would start conversation about LGBTQ. You should see the passion. This is 60s generation. My opinion is if one discriminates against one group nothing is stopping discrimination against others. Full LGBTQ rights in Poland is just a matter of time. Greetings
Jakiś zwyrodnialec stworzył definicję po to aby móc oceniać i klasyfikować. Ja osobiście większość z tych definicji mam w "nosie". Nie boję się czegoś co napawa mnie obrzydzeniem....i co najważniejsze ...mam do tego prawo.
Huh. I have gay friends in here. Found out about this by accident, by a phrase "with my man/woman" in a context. I didn't care and I don't care, it's their business. We joke about it quite often (oh, the brutal gay humour, I love it) though, we meet together as a pack if friends, nobody has problems with kissing etc. Never seen them mistreated in public. Historically - yeah, it was a "sin" but nobody cared. No anti-gay laws in history! Poland just didn't give a F. because we had more important stuff to do, like wars, economy and independence. Gay or not, straight or not - you must do something useful, otherwise you are a problem. When I asked my friends about being mistreated - they usually say that it was hard in the past and now it's ok. Family reaction? Mostly grieving over... Not having biological grandchildren, the clan going further. But they grew to accept it, through a grieving process. Yes, it's harder in villages still, because of Catholic beliefs. They told me often "gay bit not queer" and that LGBT messed it up for them here. Previously they were "slowly becoming a part of society" (Biedroń, for example), almost every small city had its "famous flamboyant gay". LGBT burst in, all guns blazing, demanding but not becoming, doing lots of fuzz but none of the work. They had to explain to people that they are "normal gays" and were accepted. Those are their words and their stories. But I also remember getting the crap beaten out of me by skinheads, because I a metalhead with long hair. Like one of my gay friends said "I was gay, you were a metalhead, we both got our share of hatred in the 90s". Yes, because it was such era and you had to be there to understand it now. In Poland there are quite a lot if lesbian, gay and bi people who do not identify with LGBT because they do not address being gay or explain it in the proper way. And that is not an aberration. They have the right for their opinion and who or how they should be represented.
You hit the nail on the head with this comment. A good many gay men and lesbians say genderqueer activists, many of them heterosexual k-in-k-sters, who have hijacked the movement and now call the tune are homophobic, intolerant, misogynist, arrogant and deeply regressive. It's a good job we live in an era of the Internet and instant communication where "comparing notes" is so easy. Sadly, so many pple are at a loss to know exactly what's going on. E.g., the great blokes of the Gay Men's Network say teachers should read more poetry to children instead of robbing children of the innocence of childhood during the "drag queen story hour" sessions run by self-appointed LGBTQIA 'educators'.
@@frankgradus9474 Teachers telling children that gay people exist and why they exist is not a bad thing. Teaching things like these to people are together because they love eachother, or that someone has 2 moms and why. Nobody wants to talk to children about adult stuff. Personally I rather be in a wold where the future generation at least have some tolerance for LGBTQ people. And I think that's not much to ask
@@markoltr6756 "Teachers telling children that gay people exist and why they exist is not a bad thing." I couldn't agree more. My point was about queer activists.
@@frankgradus9474 May I ask just out of curiosity because most people say different things. What makes someone a queer activist in your eyes, what do they have to say/believe in? (Obviously not talking about the ones who are self proclaimed activists)
It's polish people right to decide what is legal in Poland. The outlanders pressure works counter-productive and Poles gonna be even more against changes in our law. Just realize, you as a outlander it's not your business. You think like a colonizer, you want to force your standards in not your country.
I would like to remind you that every society/nation has its own rules because of history. Poland has roots in Catholicism and overall Christianity and being a part of LGBTQ is marked as a sin (yea it literally written in Bible about homosexuals and not literally but in some ways about trans) but that doesnt mean humans aren’t equal… We need to love each other. Negative opinion about homosexuals etc is popular in smaller towns and villages. Usually the people from big cities are more into it, they want to be like the west. They discuss more about things like this and not as much as they should about helping people what makes people angry and makes left-wing parties look stupid in the eyes of Poles. However, we as a nation are somewhere in the middle and I like that. You have past connected to Canada and USA where everything has different rules. Its a whole different world. Why is it necessary to change others to your way? Homophobic or not, gay or not we all should be able live happily, but its necessary to remember we are not from one culture. We all are people but from different backgrounds, so please do not approve cancel culture and remarking ones as perverts and idiots.
In the Bible it's also written that a woman having her period or a man having a discharge at night in bed is a sin and that in such a case they should go to the desert and live in isolation for some time. The bible is not the word of God but ancient Jewish community law, written by ignorants. Jesus said if you just desire a woman that's already a sin. He meant that you cannot escape sin. We are not less sinful than homosexuals, just because we have heterosexual desire.
There are serious issues with the Polish society. People die on the roads because the state is unable to enforce order when it comes to most basic conditions. Rather than focus on those serious issues, the society would rather spend energy on rants against LGBTQ. Maybe this hostile attitude towards LGBTQ is nothing but a way to cover up own incompetence and other deficiencies.
Being a lgtbq person is not a sin, but choosing to live this way is. It's based on the Bible, also on Hebrew Bible ( Torah ). As you said before, orthodox and conservative communities are against it ( no matter what religion or denomination). Whereas, more progressive accept it as their interpretation of scriptures is not so literal.
In Poland it is politically correct to be slightly racist and homophobic. If you aren't - you'll be ostracized to some degree (depending on your social bubble). Sad, but true :/
I like it here. LGBT like Palestine, I guess they should go live there. On base level, naver asked is somebody gay or not. Who cares. It was never a question in Poland Its somebodys private metter.
I'm not sure if you are aware that you contradicted yourself. You do not ask if someone is lgbt, but what if they will tell you or even be happy about it.
@@marian11235813 The LGBTQ + are mostly activists, they live from "telling nie" Poland is not post - victorian west. We never put sb to prosion for being gay or do whatever. Leave us be "homophobic" as we are. Go to "safer places" and may the Allah be with you. Hope you can fly
@@BratWodystraight people hate gays because they are always hanging out with women and hetero men can't learn to be civil long enough to dip their chip
Whatever happened to respecting the local culture and traditions? Why is it that you insist to bring in Western "standards" to Poland? If the true persecution of LGBT individuals bothers you why dont you do something in Saudi Arabia where they are killed by the Government for their identity? Poland is a traditional conservative Catholic society, we have our traditions, our faith and our rules, why can't you respect that?
Being against certain groups of people is not “local culture”. There are thousands of queer people who are Polish in this country and hundreds of thousands who support LGBTQ rights. The problem in Poland are those who believe Polish culture can and should mean only one thing. Unless you are saying Polish people should be bigots.
@@lerubenfeld uhm Sir, we are not some lost tribe that you discovered and now have the "burden to civilize" we have our own culture, our own social norms and our faith. There is a difference between bigotry and accepting that some behavior is not acceptable in our society per our social norms. On a side note your act of an "enlightened westerner" who has come to Poland to educate the ignorant backward locals is quite frankly pretty insulting and getting tired really quickly.
@@tomskonieczka2385 As I said, what is insulting is that you are determining that Polish culture literally doesn't included thousands of the Polish people who live here. It is you, not me, who are against your own people and it is simply me who is reflecting your stupidity back onto you. It is you who tries to claim that your culture means excluding Polish people who you don't agree with. That is NOT Polish culture, and it certainly has nothing to do with anything that Jesus Christ had to say about anything. But I see that Catholic Church has managed to brainwash many Polish people into believing that Polish culture is exclusionary -- thankfully there are millions of Polish people who disagree with you, including the government.
@@lerubenfeld you should be very careful when insulting the Polish Church, remember you are a guest in Poland. A guest does not have the right to tell the host how to live. I dont know how much hubris and arrogance one must be filled with to have the audacity to come into someone else's country and instruct them on what is stupid and what isn't. I suggest take a step back and do some self reflection.
@@lerubenfeldThere are couple of extreme leftist people in Poland, so you can find people you like. Nevertheless, majority of Poles are against foreign cultural imports like queer culture and we are against gender ideology madness. This our country we set the rules.
In Poland, homosexuality has never been punished, unlike in Western Europe. If you claim otherwise, give an example of a sentence for homosexuality or the law that mentions criminality in an earlier period, and the fact that the law on no criminal record was introduced in 1932 does not mean that it was different earlier.
