Why is There No VR MMO? 

Zenith The Last City is the best we have of this genre at the moment, it's basically an MMORPG with elements of Breath of the Wild, Pokémon and Minecraft in a single game, you can join guilds, have a house, have a pet, if join or interact with friends to go in dungeons and do quests and the game is constantly evolving gaining more content with each new update, supporting new VR features like treadmil and basically it is available in all current VR headsets (PSVR, PSVR 2, PCVR , Quest and Quest 2 ) with crossplay between all platforms, which is great for an MMO as it means more people can play and makes the servers busier with more people to socialize with. This game is pretty awesome and tries to do something that no other VR game has managed to do so far, I really think it deserves a lot more recognition, it's a shame there isn't as much marketing around it.

Finally someone understands what we want ,we want a big mmo game that will satisfy us instead of making nonsense ,they need to put all their focus and money on a mmo game thank you for making this video for having a speaker that understand us thank you

I'm literally working on a VR MMO but it's looking like it'll go down the same road as Zenith, great start and lack of funds. I'm pivoting it into a multiplayer dungeon crawler instead. similar to Diablo and Solo Leveling, but without a massive community almost every MMO dies, you need a huge cashflow to keep games like that alive. So it makes sense to me to just make a big multiplayer game, and if the game grows I'll continue working on the MMO version. Making VR MMOs is just really hard, and indies seem to be the only ones willing to make that attempt rn

Sword Islands by "Void Reality Labs" is an amazing game in the works, I reccomend at least watching his devlogs, He built the game from the ground up, a single developer and the game honestly looks cleaner than any Mmo ive seen enter the vr world!

Just to let you know the graph shown by Zenith in the video is like the graph for every other video game out there but as an actuall regular player I can tell you the game is not dead in fact we just got a new update wit a worldboss to fight and also the funding for that game is fine they had a kickstarter for 250k and private investors giving 10m and 25m so they are sitting on a budget of 35M Another point is that Zenith is avaliable on Quest2 standalone, Oculus PC, SteamVR, PSVR2 therfore the steam graph only reflects the players logging in from steam There is also another VRMMO called Orbus but sadly that one is in maintenance mode The third vrmmo that is on the horizon is called Ilysia (allthough the beta didnt looked that promising when I played it)

Dungeons of Eternity is a step in that direction... they just need to add more objectives/quests and the ability to run around in a open world where people come and go.

I think there's a few things we can look at regarding why we're in this situation: 1 - MMORPGs in general have fallen off in the era of instant gratification and short attention spans. It's a risky endeavor to make an MMORPG because of it. 2 - VR has only recently gotten more affordable and still has a comparatively small playerbase when compared to mobile/console/PC 2a - This also means that any MMO that has started when VR became affordable is still 3-4 years down the line from today. 3 - No one knows how to properly translate RPG combat into a VR setting yet 4 - MMOs are expensive to develop, VR is expensive to develop. The effect is multiplicative 5 - Mobile games are way too profitable to be worth developing anything else from a profit standpoint 5a - This is why any of the few MMORPGs being developed all come from small studios or as passion projects, both VR and otherwise (Zenith, Ilysia, Ashes of Creation, etc) Overall a cute rant video, would've like to maybe see a further dig how the existing VR MMO titles are doing (your opinion after playing them), why they're not fulfilling the desire for a VR MMO you talked about and so on. Keep it up!

I would disagree with zenith dying. Since it came out, it has had a lot of updates and is doing pretty well. Graphics arent the best but its a huge game and really the only one of its kind currently out. Instead of saying its dying, we should all be supporting it. By having a lot of people playing it, it will show other companies that theres something major there. Building it up should be the goal so we can get some competition in that space for more games like it.

These headsets are glorified beta tests. The entire process began as a headset improvement and then haptic improvement. Next is full body feedback and wide angle screen models in 4k. Give it a couple years and they will implement the anime ideal of vr experience.

They're actually a few vrmmo is right now they're just all in early development stages and people don't expect much out of them. Zenith, Ilysia, and oath-breakers are just a few. I cover all of them on my channel.

I want a VRMMO so badly... But damn, so much shade thrown at Walkabout Mini Golf. Those devs don't deserve that... Honestly one of the better VR games out there right now.

With mixed reality I think Warhammer and 40K should be jumping on this like crazy. Being able to play that game with buddies all over the world on virtual table tops would freaking rule.

Theres a game that ive been supporting for the past few years, its known as ilysia. Its essentially WoW in VR, its not doing too well right now, but with the right budget they could make a really good mmo, so you should definitely check it out

As someone coming back to VR since the beginning (Google Cardboard). The change has been huge. The costs for GOOD VR has come down. Quest 2 is now $199 making it possibly the cheapest console out. The big franchises are coming. Storage capacity has also been an issue. Most MMOs are rather large and would have to fight for space. I know this is not an issue for PCVR but the cost for that type of set up is much higher. This is the year for AA games on VR and I would be surprised if a big MMO doesn’t come out. Also look at the market for MMOs. They still tend to dominate in Asia. For the average gamer VR is still seen as something to play around with if you have money. But I guarantee this holiday season. Meta has the chance to make it go mainstream. The MMOs will come.

Zenith: Nexus is a great VRMMO with a free gamemode which shows a sample of the original open-world game (the last city). The Last City, also known as TLC is known to have many features such as creature orbs to catch and summon pets, crafting equipment, quests, boss raids, travelling, and more! Zenith is a great game overall, and is also a VRMMO. I suggest you try it out!

I understand why the big companies are investing on "VR meeting rooms". I can see the appeal. Having the flexibility to work from anywhere, with tools that would enhance the regular real life work sounds great. However what these companies can't see to understand is that the current VR technology is not ready for this yet. Who would want to work 8 hours a day wearing a heavy VR device with poor visibility? It just doesn't make sense. So VR is not ready yet as a work enhancement tool. BUT VR is in a great state for gaming. These companies should invest heavily in gaming as you said, so the young generation from today will be used to the tech and much open to use it for everything in the future. MMORPG is just the PERFECT genre to make people used to the VR tech. Having a good MMO with tons of social features, will make people coming to play it everyday. People who will get used of going on adventures with their buddies in VR will be completely open to having meetings in VR in the future (once the tech is more comfortable of course). It baffles me how we still don't have a good MMORPG in VR to this day.

Ur dead on. It’s like the production team is too scared to speak up or the project leaders are too headstrong to listen. It’s very odd that SAO wasn’t the first thought one their minds or , like u said, .hack….or Ready player one…. or even the freakin Matrix. (Team leader: “nah…let’s make sleep simulator!!”)

good video, I agree with most points, but we do have VRMMOS like Zenith, Orbus, Ilysia, Township come to mind, the problem is that VR is still niche and growing. It's not even close to being mainstream in the same regard as consoles and PC.

Maybe it’s you who need to make the game

Hi, I usually don't write any comments at all, but there is one thing to be said... you are damn right. I literally got to a point where I would pay 100 or even 130 $ to get a SAO or Yggdrasil (the game in the anime "overlord"), and it's hilarious that nobody realises how much potential these types of games have. I would even claim that the companies could sell the games for 100 $ each and it would be a bestseller😂😂 Anyway thanks for making this video🙏 even dough I don't think that this matters to the big companies😢

I found your video coincidentally, and it's amazing you mentioned Final Fantasy and VRMMO. I am game developer creating a Fantasy VRMMORPG right now and I agree with you. In hopes that you could do a review on my VRMMO some time, I wouldn't mind!

100% spot on!! Finally, someone verbalizing what I’ve been thinking for a long time!! I love your direct and articulate style, so thanks for making this video! You’ve definitely earned a subscriber.

Well yea a vr mmo would be great. I think we're getting there but 1. A vr mmo cost a lot of money and investment. So how do you get the players and engagement. Do you make it free to play or do you pay for it. If it is free to play how do you make money then? 2. While VRchat is the biggest vr game. You'll nitice everyone does the same thing and its just a place to hangout and chill with people. A vr mmo imo has quest and side quest and grinding but many people just dont want to do that in vr. 3. Vr has a retention problem. Sone people like me dont have motion sickness so we can be in vr for days and be fine. But other even with comfort settings cant. Especially putting something on your fac, then making sure your controllers are synced, then doing your playspace over and over again. Some people dont want to do that. I think were getting to a place where thats easier like with the quest 3 that automatically does it for you and with AI improving I think that'll become faster. I dont know if were at a place where as you said "everyone" wants a vr mmo. Sone people might just want something casual or just dont really have the time. I think we're getting there but I just dont know anyone would want to invest into that right now. We are getting "AAA" game. Things like Assassins creed nexus and asgards wrath 2 are good starts. I do think in the next few years as vr grows we could see a vr mmo but I wouldnt expect that till like 2027-29

They need to get the boomers and suits out, and gamers in on the meetings where they decide games and overall direction lmao.

watching shangri la frontier made me want this even more

in direction of vr games there will probably bever be a big company who will bring out an VR AAA game because of the lack of money it would bring in. i think the main problem is that vr glasses are still way to expensive to make profitable games with it and don't forget not everyone can play them do of loco motion sickness but i still hope that it will change soon i'm too waiting for the perfekt vr mmo world to dive in for hours and hours like SAO

Project aincrad is a “MMORPG” in vrchat that is in the works but they are a small dev team and they most likely dont have money for a proper mmo

The main issue with VR is the controllers! To have a good VR mmo, we need the best VR controllers. Example: Sensors | - 2x bracelet type for hands (body joints - tracking) - 2x bracelet type for feets (body joints - tracking) - 1 pair of gloves for percise fingers tracking - 1 VR headset itself actiong as a head movement tracker. - 360° walking treadmill that full interacts with the game world - [AI] for an immediat bug fixes & controller configuration. If this 6 things are created perfectly then there is no doubt that the best MMO rpgs will start to release. PS: the current VR controllers bad.

Why are you so underrated my guy?

There was at least one at the time of this video tho. Orbus VR Reborn. Now there's finally another one: Ilysia VR :p

Imagine an mmo with elements like the map of no mans sky where you can just explore in vr with your friends that would be so sick

I'd love an MMO RPG game and all that kind of stuff, though I would spend so much time in it but like, gotta live out my SAO fantasies

I want to be my tanky dwarf boi and tell my friends to launch me at the enemies 😂 I need that

Ff14 in vr. I've raided in first person. The panic I had was amazing drunk night. Never doing it with savage though 🤣🤣

Zenith last city?

We need a gundam style mmo like build divers and we need a sao mmo . We need these games to have the same type of style of games , specific things can be earned when doing special a side quest or completing an unknown goal , instead of making just a handful of loot we need tons ,like the depth of WoW. Armor, parts,weapons,crafting/food ingredients , fleshed out worlds

I totally agree, but mainly because I'm so jaded from Ilysia and Zenith not having any cool beast races like Burmecians from Final Fantasy 9 or demon foxes, and only Ilysia *_MAYBE_* has thought of including velocity-based damage where the harder you swing your controller the more damage you can do to monsters and trees? You know, something that can ONLY be experienced in VR but none of these souless, foolish, companies have realized that would be a good idea yet. But you can't be who or whatever you want to be in those games like you can with VRChat, so... guess I'll have to learn to program a VR MMO myself and make the game in 10 years from now if I ever want to see a VR MMO who cares about velocity based damage and custom avatars, digging and building base-defense and salvaging ruins.

Zenith is good, it would be nice if they had more money

I want a VRMMO with multiple character slots. You know, find hidden classes by doing quests, easter eggs, pvps, achivements ect, and then create another slot and use that class. VRMMO would be golden

Honestly I’m going to learn how to make some vr games when I get my headset 🔥

amazing video, I totally agree with everything you said.

I agree with you I can’t wait till they make that mmo or implement it on the mmos we already have

Indeed the games suck. A full on VRMMO is needed. I'm not sure you'll ever see one though. The time of MMO's has passed IMO. A VRMMO needs to be like these these LITRPG books. A huge advance in AI interaction is needed. That is pure fantasy though. Zenith is alright but not even a true MMO I think. You need the high quality graphics, advance AI interaction and most important....A huge world. When I say graphics, none of this Manga garbage.

There are rumors about mihoyo a company make genshin impact, honkai impact and honkai star rail is working on VR MMO games i still looking forward to them

Zenith, Orbus, Ilysia, township tale... And thats just the actual MMOs, because then you have public multiplayer games that give the same feel such as dungeons of eternity...

The gaming industry is more concerned with short term profit and not spending $100mil+ on a mmo when every other project from companies like sony when they didn't make expected sales of their psvr2 or how ubisoft didn't make enough profit on their Assassins creed vr game. The only company who is actually making meadsets cheaper more accessible and affordable is meta which is how zuck got hooked into a billionaires spending spree, the other reason he spent so much is because he actually likes vr from what i've seen and his share holders telling him to stop spending so much money on vr and he refused also shows that. so the only way we are gonna get a vr mmo is 1) someone with passion and care for vr 2) has the money and talent to put forward working on this 3) who is not gonna bend under pressure from investors and business men 4) once there are roughly around say 20+ million users with a vr headset that is easy to put on and is adorable accessible and cheap with the power to rival a vr ready pc from 2 years ago

There was also OrbusVR which i'm not sure what happened with that but it seemed very cool despite it's horrible graphics, but i agree with you i fully want Final Fantasy in VR, i want to be able to run around as a Viera bard with hundreds of other people in a beautiful almost open world

VRChat: Am I a joke to you?

The moment someone brings the combat of blade and sorcery or swordsman vr and mixes it with the social capability of VR chat is when things will start to take shape but if we truly want to recreate our VR MMO fantasies we would need to do the same thing the Devs of those fictional VR MMOs did and that's not only make these things fun to play but also a experience people would want to live in go watch ready player one go rewatch SAO or literally any of the examples you pointed out you could do quite literally anything you could do in reality there was basically no difference except for some floating screens occasionally and maybe a health bar in order to actually create these things the digital world's in these MMOs would have to be absurdly complex and interactable so much so it would make Zuckerberg's metaverse vision look restrictive hell buy a house drink some digital booze at the nearby Tavern pick up a rock and throw it at a Gobin dig a hole when you're sneaking up on some monsters complain about how the grass is fucking wet while you're crawling that's just stupid shit that comes off the top of my head but you get my point we haven't got VR MMO technology at least not the type they had in those fictional stories we have a headset that allows us to be able to see the same way they would be able to see but we can't touch we can't feel we can't interact and more importantly there is no incentive to actually do these things

Bros the time is coming where we will see full dive in this time not just that but augmented reality and mixed reality and holograms and better artificial intelligence just wait

Meta shouldve invested their 10 bilion into creating giant super AAAA games each in different genres such as mmorpgs, fps etc. Really Great game -> more people buy VR More people on VR -> More money earned More money earned -> More great games Cycles repeats until VR replaces PC and Console gaming

There could be a argument of vr mmos already dying in general. But if bandai or someone made a sao mmo for vr with the awesome ui and immersive music. Project aincrad with the little content it has rn, is still such a cool surreal experience. And they are planning a new update. They havent update it since 2022, so they been cooking up alot of content.

Minecraft VR is the only real RPG game we got in VR

You’re completely right. I have a Quest 3 and the best I can play is Zenith? I mean it’s okay it’s just the graphics need overhauling. I just want a full dive MMO Vr game like portrayed in .hack. 😅

All the big boys are waiting for more headsets to be sold before feeling like investing multi millions on one game

Everyone please send this video to mark zukerberg😂

You are TOTALLY right! They made us all want a VR MMO with all of these animes and movies and now that we have the hardware there is NO equivalent. If there was an ESO or Final Fantasy XIV VR MMO we'd all gladly pay the price to purchase and a monthly subscirption! All of this content in VR would be amazing! I'd never leave! I've tried the VR Mod for FFXIV and it's great but not perfect and the only vr experience for ESO is vorpx which sort of sucks and virtual desktop. I AM DYING for a VR MMO! I've been holding off on trying Zenith because it doesn't look as in depth of an mmo as I want and the graphics look like a kids game.

love the vibe, pray riot's MMO is truly the future [in VR]

The future of VR is Captain Hardcore. 🤘🧙‍♂🤘

You hit the nail right on the head!!!

I'd argue that Oathbreakers is better than Zenith Edit: What's crazy is that Oathbreakers is made by a dude (or a few ppl) who haven't had the monetary help with development that Ramen received!

The main reason is two fold, vary small market demographic (budget vs return on investment, you want the largest possible audiance). Vast majority of console players dont own a PSVR, vast majority of PC gamers dont own a VR headset, atleast not currently. The second problem is the limited control schemes with little to no standardization in the market.

We have Zenith. I like it, and think it’s pretty cool.

the fact is that the current MMORPGs need VR put in there game as a feature but right now you have to use mods/add-ons just to have it an its a lot of work to set up and does not work so well because of the little things like not being able to adjust combat effects an well it plays like your on rails in a VR world just enough to make you want more. witch honestly is why they are really slow to act on it we are just now starting to get VR headsets that are good enough like the quest 3 and the varjo Aero that really show what VR can be. that means most people unless rocking a 4080 or 4070 around about can not in joy what VR is all about an the fact is the gaming industry hasn't moved that fast since before the 1080. talking about games coming out for the new hardware it used to be a thing where very new games would come out able to take advantage of the new hardware but now days every game more or less recommends a 1060 to 1080 why because that really is all the power needed to run modern games good if not efficiently. this means most people have old if not really old hardware all the way back to 1080 witch is around May 27th, 2016. with VR being the really only thing people need a high end pc for now days means most people don't have one that high end anymore so in short who is going to play it on mass no one that is who. there just is not enough money in it to make something that would stand the test of time just yet but one should be in the works. the problem with VR is the controllers more than anything there is a big disconnect between the VR headset and the controller your eyes feel like your in a new world but your hands don't at all an unless you have a good VR treadmill your feet don't feel that way either witch is only a miner thing being how you would use mounts to get around the most anyway but it needs to be in the VR package from the start with the headset and controllers the problem is no one normal would buy it at that price point it looks like the budget Edition would be 1000 dollars for a quest 3 and a VR treadmill if meta tried really hard they mite be able to pull that off. witch frankly is way to high still for most people to spend on a Christmas present for kids per person. this is all just conjecture though. its more than likely going to be around 2030 before we see a really good VR mmorpg worth playing for the masses because stand alone units like the quest 3 are what is carrying VR games not pc VR because of the price point so that means we need a stand alone VR headset that has no screen door effect with perfect controller tracking with good battery life before we even start thinking a top tier VR mmorpg will come out an the fact is most likely the mmorpg will change with the times to VR mmorpg so there really is not a big space for VR mmorpg to enter in as it seems. so the short of Why is there no VR mmo? easy the mmorpg that are out have not implemented it as a feature there waiting for someone else to do it the right way so they can copy/paste it vs doing tests on it themselves but the thing is there is no one really dumb enough to spend lots of money to make a quality VR MMORPG with a good control scheme that works because unless they get everything right then there player base will dry up in 3 months to half a year because of the copy/pasting of the big mmorpg games that only need that one feature to make their games perfect. so in short the big mmorpg are not working in favor of the consumer just of there pockets. this stalemate will go on until a stand alone headset can run vr mmorpg games with no screen door effect and Indie Developers can develop a really good VR control scheme for their VR game and modern games copy/paste it. its why its taking so long the mmorpg games doing well have no real reason to innovate very frustrating. this process is happening right now with games like zenith. which I think the controller problem is more of a form Factor problem a sword needs to be a sword in a real life controller way. same for a staff. or wand. or bow. this would but the controller immersion level 11. if done right I could see a hole industry built around this concept. when all these Pieces come together you might have something that's workable. but right now its shoddy at best.

im making a vr chat style game for unreal engine with focus on extreme high graphics which was lacking in vr chat. also base avatar support which vr chat sucks at. i want base avatars to look really good and be something desirable instead of leading everyone to use workshop mods which just end up lagging a bunch when u get enough people together along with security issues. using an avatar system that is actually desirable to use would save tons on ram since everybody is basically the same characters just using morphs or wearing different things or skins the meshes themselves are shared in the memory pool. i want to expand it into an mmo later on offering many game modes but for now it's just chatting. what i don't like about the vr mmo scene is it's all stylistic and they are trying to make games that also run directly on the quest's android operating system so the graphics are usually missing many graphics features. i am making a desktop vr mmo and i havent heard of any games trying to do this they all support quest and quest does not use a graphics mode from this decade. quest relies on forward rendering which if you don't know is ancient technology and does not allow for things like reflections or ray tracing among many other high end features. vr supports nanite lumen ray tracing now in the last few months and i am very excited i have waited 2 years for these features to all work in harmony on vr and i believe now we will finally start to get the ball rolling on a ready player one style graphics in an mmo game.

I agree with this video. All I see is incredible potential, and it is driving me crazy. I just don't understand some of the inconsistency between the developers and the gamers. I want a good VR MMORPG. I want a great VR board game; Demeo was amazing. I want a great trading card game where I can duel people and summon monsters; Cards and Tankers is great, has lots of potential, but is lacking in actual gameplay. I want Star Citizen VR. There are a couple of good ideas.... but lacking in gameplay. Like you said... they seem like phone app games. I tried joining Horizen when it was in closed beta, and it was all about meetings and work. It wasn't bad, and I like the potential for productivity... but I want games more.

I thought SAO was complete and AOT. I can't wait. I just bought my first VR today. 😊

100% agree. Devs are still struggling to bring great if not decent titles to stand alone VR gaming. I said the same thing in a VR fanboy forum when Q3 came out and everyone lost their mind😂. For the money that goes into it the overall content is below subpar.

Please what is the name of that vrchat movie??? Seems damn cool

We should have all major platform ceos and high status employees watch all vr and esekai animes

I like the video. It's rant-y, but it's got a silly vibe (in a good way). I'd like to share my thoughts. I do want a VRMMO. A game where I can meet new people, talk to them, and have fun playing a good game. This encapsulates the two main issues I see being faced by a VRMMO. 1. People One of the largest issues with VR right now is that it's kind of in this infancy state. There's not many good VR games, and there's not many people that want to pick up their headset to play VR games (or who even have VR headsets). It's a chicken-egg problem: to get players, you need good VR games; to get good VR games, you need players (a market). The problem of having a VRMMO right now, or even 5 years from now, is that there are few players. The VR industry kind of has to build up an audience over time, until there's enough people for a proper MMO ―otherwise it's not feasible to for-profit companies. Right now, it's hard to get players even for non-MMO multiplayer games. 2. Design The other major issue I see facing VRMMOs (and VR games in general) is the quality of design, be it game design, UX/UI design, sound, art, etc. The most important bits here are the gameplay and UX/UI design (though sound and art in general are also important), since the differences between pancake and VR games causes massive differences in how the games have to be designed, from the ground up. Most VR games, frankly, suck as VR games ―often VR games will use pancake game design, essentially just leading to pancake games with a VR mode, even if they're VR-only games. If a VRMMO started being developed by a triple A studio right now, it would certainly suck ―as has been seen with many previous triple A VR games (as you mentioned, Resident Evil for example). We are getting there, but it'll take time. Design standards have to be developed across the industry, and people need to get extremely good at game design for VR games. I for one don't want the systems that are popular in pancake MMOs (FF14, WoW, etc) in VR MMOs ―the beauty of VR and motion controllers is that it allows you to just _do_ the thing you want to do, instead of pressing a button and waiting for a timer; VR is perfect for designing free-er, more immersive, and more skill-based systems. Quick side note on graphics: I don't think the graphical limitations of quest 2/3 are that bad. 'Good' graphics aren't all that important, it's having a good art-style that's important ―photorealism isn't the only avenue. Though I do hate the same-y anime-ish art style that lots of VR games have. Do something unique for once. These are the main issues I see with VR games and VRMMOs right now. VR has to get a larger amount of players, and more active players; VR devs as an industry have to develop a sense of good and bad VR game design. Let me know what you think.

MMO means Massively Multiplayer Online. MASSIVELY, now ofc the big companies are gonna be scared to invest in something that will require a big playerbase to work. Don't get me wrong, i also want a VRMMO, it's just not possible rn until the hardware's prices are more accessible for most people, we will just have to wait a little bit more

Well said bro❤

the problem is that big companies try to sell their "meta quest" and "apple vision pro" as a device to work ...and do business stuff and that many of these devices evolved during covid. I don't get why facebook invested so much money into their metaverse bullsh**, there are vr headsets but there are no games on it so who will buy it??.. they still can't get the interest of enough people because there is no hype for anything like an VR MMORPG... in 2012 I thought its realistic to have at least a VR MMO game in 2022 (SAO like).. but we are not even close to it

real cause it just like people really want a magic mmorpg free roam game like we want that

It is true that Vr is meant mainly for gaming, and an mmo is the way to go. But the risk is too high to take… to much money in play…. And companies are not willing to risk it….

It's true. It's the games that carry most tech, it's games that carry ipads, PCs and consoles, and a lot of people play with phones too, even if most use phones for messaging and well, phone calls. VR needs a good MMO... But company executives are only good at increasing profit margins, not having new ideas. Every nerd is waiting for SOA but for real. Meanwhile Mark made a fucking meeting room. People want entertainment. You'd think they learn from watching ready player one since ALL the boomer tech executives saw it and thought "its the future!" but somehow, still no vrmmorpgs...

Zenith vr

this kind of shared Reminder (especially by our current era's capabilities, etc) reminds me nearly similarly to the kind of vibes that this one 'Is Destiny 2 Season of the Lost Worth it and Why Destiny 2 DLC is a Scam' that I know of gives off. I Agree.

idk, ur ignoring a few aaa financed by meta here, for example: lone echo 1+2, asgards wrath, resident evil 4... i mean theyve bought several companys here. the first steps towards vr mmos were done by orbus, zenith and township tale. the next bigger one should be ilysia. the real big aaa quest exclusive should be asgards wrath 2. there are alot of good multiplayer games i play daily: contractors and ghosts of tabor for example. there are alot of good games out atm

So I just got through watching the anime Shangri-La frontier and I have no skills in game development. Does anyone have any ideas on how I can get started developing a VR game?

Lol well the Animations we have watched and got us all hyped up for weren’t really physical VR games. The theory was to tap into your brains while you lay down and go into sleep mode practically. I think it would involve some hardware in your brain to be able to actually play a game like SwO or something large scale like overlord was in. Not swinging your sword around in a blank room….which is nice not complaining. But if they came up with a way to manipulate brain waves and give you the option to go into another universe on your sleep schedule…guaranteed half the population at least would take leap. I’m still hoping for a good vr mmo though. For sure.

Total agreement. Still waiting for 3 years

if you are looking for an mmorpg that you can make partys and just have fun i would recommend orbus vr reborn

I think meta doesn't want to aim for the audience for the hole massive mmo rpg game

EchoVR was so epic but they removed it R.I.P

There is one trying to release subspace hunter looks like the closest thing to it .

I think every company should just start working on nervegear

Absolutely everything a METAVERSE should be, more or less infinite realities or at least adventures, nobody wants AR games and nobody wants VR apps, they're the other way around

oppinion-best game I've played in VR so far is R.E4

Been support on vr devices. Got oculus rift, oculus rift s, quest, quest 2, hp reverb, vivo xr 3, HTC cosmos, Valve index. But games still sucks.. still waiting on a good mmorpg. Mostly play racing sim games with dof reality p6. And watch movies. Maybe a bit township tails with my son or demio. Hope a good rpg or mmorpg is being made soon.

I feel like we’re getting close to something like slf

Yesss glad to know I’m not the only one that loves isekai, etc anime ! Glad to be a part of the community. Tbh I think we are close, yet again far from it because of the economy we are in rn. Idk if there’s alot of room for growth, but alot of ppl are just trying to make ends meet so not a lot of ppl able to enter the space. I haven’t even gotten a headset yet, but I’m hoping to this Christmas!

they tried RP1 it's an abandoned game with very little to do, good concepts were left to die. And Zenith, I've played it, you hardly see anyone outside the starting area and it feels like they put too much in at once, some parts just don't feel functional, dungeons that are blocking story progression have no players to do them, and if you try to queue up, if it finds someone (i'm not sure it did cause while preparing to load it still said 1/2 required players found). doesn't load correctly leaving you stuck in limbo as I've experienced it in this past week.

according to sony, 100m dollars is 'medium budget'

I personally think AAA companies don't give a crap about VR and VR MMORpg's, if they did; we'd have one in the works by now. I personally wouldn't mind playing SAO and .hack as a VRMMORPG, those were good anime's so yea. Closest thing to that atm is a mod for FF14 that allows you to play it in VR, kinda wished Square Enix applied official VR support for that. :O

I agree we need something like shangri la frontier it would be extremely popular

Dont look at only steam Zenith population. It has ~1800 players every day

Asgards wrath 2 and Assasins Creed are both incredible. Zennith is awesome Arizona sunshine 2 is great Bam is great for mixed reality game so is Lego.

township tale. and also its just not worth it for anyone, takes too much time and money. its the deathly cycle: no games - no players, no players - no games