Why Jedi Don t Just Use the Force on General Grievous - Star Wars Explained 

To be fair, grievous is terrifying, imagine sword fighting with someone else who has four arms and 4 blades, and cybernetics to perfectly wield them.

I loved Grevious from the old 2003 anime the voice, presence, ability as a fighter, everything was done very. I think everything Grevious brought to the table made it nearly impossible for a jedi to beat him. The terror and fatigue he created in that first battle were next level to the point you had masters on the Jedi Council fighting him and even they saw virtually no hope in winning so as a result they couldn't focus on the battle. But when fighting a battle or a war you need weapons to counter your enemies abilities so having so that can withstand or become invulnerable to the force is perfect to fight jedi.

Concentration is required to use it, Jedi don't go around being aggressive with the force and plot armor to sum it up is what i go with why Jedi didn't use it against greivous

I wonder if Plo Koon could potentially defeat Grevious in a fight, possibly incapacitate the general with his Electric Judgment power

Force shield, unknown for movies only watchers has a huge emphasis in the trilogy novelasation Darth Bane (highly recommanded).They are a lot of factors: first as you said, it's body has been made for deflecting force push: clawed feet and even more a very heavy body, hardening the push anyway. Secondly, to reach to the force, the being reached must be well identified which is very complex considering the apparant anarchic design of Grievous "armor", also being partly droid, trying to reach him, you fall on parts that are supposed to be flesh but can't consider it fully a droid because it is still his body who manouvers it (it's like he has two bodies). And as partly droid, as explained in the novel Revan, he is far more difficult to begin with to reach with the force, immune to suggestion and hard to detect. Ironically, in the end he is nether defeat nor by the force or by lighsaber but as the rest of the jedi during order 66... by a blaster bolt... so ironic x).

Griveous was a Jedi killing machine. And some of them actually feared him. Except for a few.

General Grievous is literally been my Favorite villain ever since I was 7 and saw him for the first time I still can’t get enough content about him I still get excited when I see him fight in TCW and ROTS

Would you do a video on how the general got his lightsabers? Especially the first few he captured or were gifted and what happened to his collection after the war.

Dooku himself stated to Grievous, that if he was to go up against the very best of the Jedi, he would need Fear, Surprise, and Intimidation on his side. That he had to _break_ them _before_ he engaged them. That if any of the attributes were lacking it would be best for Grievous to retreat. This meant that his frightening visage and terrifying skills and abilities were only half of the equation; Grievous had to defeat his Jedi adversaries before actually engaging them in battle, by using scare tactics in addition to ambushing and shock and awe. This was evident in the 2003 "Clone Wars" series, when Grievous made his animated debut - Obi-wan was contacted by Jedi Master Dackman Barrak on the Planet Hypori, desperately requesting evac after his forces had been decimated by a "new droid general", only for Barak to be killed and the transmission cut off. It then showed the droids surrounding a Republic cruiser before their general signaled them to cease fire, and inside this downed cruiser were six Jedi, including Ki'Adi Mundi, Aayla Secura, Shaak Ti, and K'Krukh They expressed their awe and fear of such a fearsome foe, whose strategy and forces had comepletely outmaneuvered them and left them on the brink of defeat. Despite Ki'Adi attempting to bolster their confidence, their foe cruelly called out to them to "make peace with the Force", that this was their final hour, and that he, General Grievous, would give them a warrior's death. One of the Jedi, a padawan named Sha'Gi (who had witnessed his master Barak die) gave into fear and rashly charged out, only to be suddenly crushed by Grievous before he snuck up on the other Jedi, intimidated and just how and where he wanted them, and struck! In spite of three masters and two knights engaging the general all at once he more than held his own and quickly dispatched of K'Krukh and the two knights (including Aayla) before splitting Ki'Adi and Shaak Ti apart and seemingly killing her. Ki'Adi stood his ground and dared to face Grievous to the end, and it would have been had some troopers not come to the rescue, chasing off Grievous and saving Ki'Adi, Shaak Ti, and Aayla (K'Krukh was mistakenly left for dead, but actually survived), and Grievous added the fallen's lightsabers to his collection and mockingly told the survivors to flee had only prolonged their inevitable fate (which sadly turned out to be true) This debut demonstrated Dooku's words and Grievous's approach to killing Jedi perfectly. That the padawan left fear overwhelm him, only for it to get him suddenly killed, how Grievous's fast and deadly offense kept the Jedi on their toes and unable to catch their second wind. During the fight Ki'Adi had even tried to Force-Push Grievous, only for the general to easily outrun them, and even when Shaak Ti tried to telekinetically throw debris at him he easily knocked them away. That three masters, two of them on the council, were unable to defeat this jedi-killing machine is a testament to monster Dooku and Sidious created, and even in the rare moments a Jedi would get the best of Grievous he would either run or resort to dirty tactics, proving himself a coward with no honor

Hard to focus on the force when a murderous, spider-looking cyborg is charging you with 4 lightsabers.

"People say it's hard to kill Jedi. It's not. You just have to be smart about it" - Atton Rand

Using the Force takes concentration. Grievous fought in a way to break said concentration. Imagine you are a painter and are working on a sunset landscape. But while you are attempting to paint, someone is babbling constantly about random stuff in your ear, thus ruining your own concentration

What about Droid Poppers, AKA EMP grenades or any other kind of EMP device? Would those be effective?

My issue with Grievous, and aspects of the Prequels in Episodes 2 and 3 (not to mention the animated series) is that they sometimes gloss over the plot contrivances necessary to make most Jedi ridiculously weak while others have absolute plot armor. This includes the Order 66 moment when every master dies like a chump against some clones except, of course, the two who end up in the OT. Grievous is a bit that too, he's wildly overpowered against every Jedi... except Obi-Wan, who defeats him with relative ease. I don't really buy the terror aspect, any Jedi with experience, certainly Council Members, should have decades of self-discipline to ward off fear.

Nice explanation about this villain

Obi Wan Is the most calm Jedi Greivous couldnt intimidate him

1. Grevious tactics is the intimidate n bring fear to the jedi to break their concentration so they cant fully tap into the force. 2. All force sensitive place a sort of force bubble around them. Its to keep other force sensitive from hitting them with force based attacks n keeps their minds strong against mind attacks. This force bubble also raises the users awareness around them. The stronger u are in the force the stronger ur force bubble is. 3. Grievious is using a combination of an alters form of form 6 niman which is Jarr kai. Or the form using a 2nd blade. On top of that he was taught by count dooku who is a master of form 2 Masashi. Which im sure Grevious used as well.

Please do a video on becoming a master, and the trails of becoming a master compared to knight

Mace Windu used the force to crush Grevious in Courisant before Obi Wan challenged him.

If Grievous despised force users, what were his thoughts about Sith? Would he try to hunt them down too, eventually?

Funny how this video could have literally just been animated Dooku explaining Fear, Surprise, And Intimidation to Grievous and the brighter students would have gotten it. But I do appreciate the more in depth look!

In the final days of the Republic, Jedi Order became weak, corrupt and decadent - just like Republic they were sworn to protect. Yes, there were several masters with strong connection to the Force. But rest of the pack were Jedi picked up as younglings, with mid-level powers and no grounding in reality. Jedi Order became to large and thus diluted. Jedi would train anyone with modicum of Force sensitivity, as long as they could snatch him from the cradle. Grievous was designed by Palpatine to cull weak, he was never much of an obstacle for really powerful Force users. This too was by design, Grievous was a tool to be used and then discarded.

This makes a lot of sense. Even Count Dooku said that he needed fear, intimidation, and surprise on his side. Find any one of these lacking, it is best for him to retreat. Because the moment a Jedi gets a chance to muster up a defense or offense against Grievous, he is screwed.

When a warrior literally starts a battle with (Hello There) you have to know the battle is lost.

He obviously was also in no way ready for a Jedi to straight up blast him in the chest. Honestly, literally everything Obi-Wan did in that fight went against every thing Grievous knew about how Jedi fight, as a whole.

Force resistant but shows how strong Mace is he force crushed his heart ❤️ Windu is a boss

I think one other reason was grevious almost always had some kind of droids around him, and if the jedi managed concentrate enough to use it, all their attention would have to be on grevious, leaving them vulnerable to his support druids.

He can resist force abilities? Send in, Galen Marek aka StarKiller

What about force pushing Greivous into the ground while he's latched onto it after a force pull?

The theme addresses one of my biggest frustrations with Lucas' Star Wars storytelling, and production, abilities. The Jedi could have used similar equipment and tactics used by bounty hunters, clone troopers and even their own when dealing with cybernetic enemies (electromagnetic bombs, shields, etc). Jedi could even have used The Force as a team, in the various times Grievous engaged many Jedi at once. Jedi could have used the environment and objects around to overwhelm/damage Grievous instead of just focusing on blade combat.

If you watched the clone wars you’ll notice that almost anytime grievous fights kenobi he always has the upper hand until he get force pushed then he runs away

Imagine if Darth Vader had grievous armor!!

Dude you should put together what if duel series cause the insight is fresh who here can do some dope ass death battle animation for this foo!!! Please

Did the cute ear-flaps do anything or were it just decorating?

CW Mace Windu: Because they weren't as badass as I was.

I never really thought of this, but it does seem as a writing flaw. Fear? and Ambush is what made him survive? Ok I'm sure it helped. But I don't see that helping prevent force abilities. In the end he what caught blaster fire to the heart? If there cybernetics could avoid force pushes and pulls could it not avoid a blaster fire? Just all seems so convenient an explanation. I always like the story Greivous being part cyborg could master any form of an opponent and gave him a tactical advantage and why the council didn't want him to learn VPAD and why he never fought that master.. Allowed him to combine, and use all forms. But I also never thought of the force, and now that I do, without some muguffin such as force reducing armor or something, just oh he was able to avoid it is not enough.

Well 2003 grievous showed that the force would not work.... Since grievous is HIM

I wonder what would have happened if Darth Vader had enhancements like grievous

I've always been under the impression that all living things including, non-sensitives like Grievous, have at least a LITTLE bit of a force barrier or force resistance; otherwise crushing a living person would be no more difficult than crushing an everyday object. Otherwise, Vader for instance would never have to actually fight a non-Jedi opponent, he would be able to just instantly splatter them with the Force with zero effort. Considering he's able to crash starships by Force Pulling them, you'd think that applying even a tiny fraction of the same effort would turn human opponents into pink mist.

"Up to 5..." Seems to me an easy way to get him woulda been for Yoda, Anakin an Obi shoulda got maybe Mace or couple others an then just ganged up on the cyborg an took him down with the Force only being so effective an they still not have Darkside issues. Of course seeing how he's not a Force User dunno why obi and others didn't just have half their Clone unit just blast him to spare parts too... Since that's literally how Kenobi finally ended him anyways

I also read you can't use the Force on vulcans due to their powers

Watching the prequels as a little kid, Grievous terrified me. He was a large machine with 4 arms and weird eyes. If I had seen the clone wars at the time and seen how good he was too, I would have put him down and the most terrifying Star Wars antagonist above Vader. I know better now though but Grievous was one of the reasons I thought and still think ROTS was a little too disturbing for young children.

I think even this explanation is lacking. I would think that a Jedi backed into a corner by the General in a lightsaber duel would use the force outta shear desperation. If you kno you’re about to be cut down or even been disarmed, survival would dictate ur actions. It could be something as little as using force push to put some distance between you & the general

Okay, but why would they be afraid of him to begin with? Aren’t they supposed to be trained to remain calm? And why would they even be afraid of him to begin with if they could hypothetically defeat him easily with the force? I don’t buy that his armour is “force resistant” considering he was killed by a simple blaster.

0:00 - 0:20 That describes Grievous perfectly in legends, but in cannon not so much. in cannon, he's a weenie that constantly was bested by either below to average clones, padawans below the age of 15, and untrained gungens. heck i think ewoks can beat him, with little issue. Ok I think I got that out of my system.

How strong would grievous be if he had a connection to the force?

All that it would take to smoke Grevious would be a decent AK and 3 spare mags .

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Obi-Wan was sent cause his defensive style perfectly matched Grievous right? Who else could defeat grievous? Could Mace Windu or Anakin?

Didn’t Count Dooku design Grevious body to be weak against force lightning just like Sidious did with Vaders suit as a way of having a leash on a dog?

This is the problem with Jedi, and where I agree with Darth Sidious. A lightsaber is useless for the most part and is just a symbol, the true power of the a force user is the force itself. I feel the Jedi rely way to much on the a lightsaber. Using the force to dominate and fighting with aggression should be considered in the face of a great the threat, much like how Gandalf handles foes. For the most part he fights in self-defense, but you should be careful if the threat is great enough for him to go on the offence. My Favorite Quote: “Remember, abilities aren't inherently good or evil... it's how you use them.” -Kyle Katarn

And yet, both Mace windu and Obi-wan Kenobi were able to use force crush and force push on Grevious without any problem, during their battles with him, sending him into retreat in the former and leading to his death and defeat in rhe latter.

Then why didn't Obi-Wan kill greviouse insted of hello there

I think Dooku should have trained with Grievous more and should have tought him everything he knew so if anything like the final battle with Grievous and Obi-wan did happen Grievous would have been able to win

Must be non cannon. I remember in TCW Obi was smiling most of the time fighting him. Certainly not afraid. But then again he did win.

Knowing how Grevious can break the concentration of jedi so they cannot make good use of the force, I'm curious how he can deal with other telekinetic, non force based fighters from different series?

Didn't you already make a video on this?

I’m wondering why they didn’t just use a gun. Like one that shoots bullets. I’m sure one of the snipers would have loved the chance to take him out

Obi-wan Kenobi would like to have a word with you.

That's still a tough sell. There is no reason a Jedi couldn't grab one of Grevious' legs and snatch it out from under him. Sling something nearby at him or simply lift him into the air while they escaped. I would easier believe that MOST jedi were too prideful and wanted to defeat him saber to saber.

This makes sense. Fear is powerful enemy. Griveous used it perfectly. Honestly,Griveous was beneath Jedi. Beneath everyone actually. He was droid monstrosity. This was first answer when I saw the video. The Sith made them perfect fighter. May the Force be with you too. Have a great day too😊

My thoughts: he has such beautiful eyes @_@

obi wan used force push on grievous in the duel right after obi wan said:" Oh i doný think so,,.

Force Resistance

The general was known for making his enemies grieve.

Eeth Koth used the force on him tho in clone wars

WHAT

How badly I wanted this video to just say ‘plot armor’ and end

But but Mace Windu and Obi-wan Kenobi used the force against him! You mean how the force didn't break Grievous completely!

Ok i think saying yoda and windu questioning if they could defeat grevious was a bit of a reach lol

I've now seen 4 videos that are already a thing on your page. WHats going on??

They did

If Sabine Wren could learn to use the force anyone can

Because it's a big plot hole. Obi wan force pushed him and Yoda pulled the lightsaber from him as well. The Jedi order are sometimes written to be just plain incompetent.

no, i think they just messed up in the movies, now it takes explanations like this to "justify" the plot hole

If General Grievous fought Starkiller, he'll get wrecked instantly.

I don’t think this is right, I’m sure some Jedi were scared of him, but not sought to where their ability to use the force was gone. Moreover, I’ve seen jedis use the force on him all the time, just not in a delay way. The real answer is plot armor and the producers not wanting him to die yet while hoping we do not say anything about it. Which is cool I liked the scenes but I always do catch myself asking “well if they used force on him right there why not use it to crush his body like made windu did in the2d movies

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What if Dooku put that glaring weakness with offensive force powers, as an attempt to find other that were in doubt with the Jedi's dogmatic views? Dooku didn't like just killing jedi, he wanted to bring as many over to his side as possible i think, or perhaps he left it, because it left a bad taste in his mouth to kill jedi that way? Or maybe I'm giving him too much credit.

Ahsoka did force push Grevious.

Obi-Wan used the force on him in episode 3 when he defeated him

Man force shield is a silly plot device.

Dude, stop mixing legends Grievous with canon Grievous, they’re not the same. Things like having locking feat, dodging force attacks, and the force crush to the chest, those were legends Grievous, not canon Grievous.

Except the jedi do use the force on Grievous, multiple times. Obi Wan force pushes him in ROTS and Mace Windu crushes his chest in CW. This is what happens when people overthink and miss blatantly obvious things lol.

So when the Wampa is closing in on Luke and he is desperate to escape, by the logic you're trying to use then he wouldn't have been able to use the Force to reach out to his sabre because he knew he was about to be eaten. A concept far more terrifying than "scary eyes and mean words and four arms" considering Luke's inexperience in the Force compared to more experienced Jedi who Grievous bested due to his ridiculous plot armour.

Day 194 of asking for a part 3 of what if anakin was trained by qui gon

To settle this in simple matters. The Jedi as a whole were not powerful enough to defeat grievous. As we we have learned the Jedi of the clone wars was relatively weak compared to the old, high and new republic eras

Or how about plot armor??? Just saying

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Because he used fear and surprise as taught by Dooku. If you barely have time to react and think you are hardly able to concentrate.

I really never cared for his character. Grievous in my opinion, should not have been as powerful as he was portrayed. His prowess in terms of lightsaber combat just didn't make sense. How could he have "learned" or been programmed in all 7 forms in such a short time... it's too far fetched an idea just to be able to say he was a Jedi killer only then for my boy Obi-wan to own him the way he did.

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Legends Grievous better.

I can not even call you student of the force ...u r level minus way down from zero level.... apparently u can not differentiate real world from the lullaby world...

Stop showing that SWtCW embarrassment, that is the lame loser variant of Grievous.

Because that would make the fight too easy. George Lucas didn’t think of it during the movie. Don’t listen to all these bs lore excuses. We all know that’s why.

I don't buy this excuse. Just like in episode 3 Obi-Wan could have stayed hidden on that catwalk undetected and just crushed grievous's head inside that armor faceplate. He could have done it anytime during the clone wars.

Because it's a movie, and George Lucas was just winging it.

Canon is so lame.

If this is the reason Lucas film gives as the reason Jedi didn't use the force IT'S STUPID!!! Mace Windu used the force to crush Grievous armor chest plate which is the reason Grievous had that cough!!!! Lucas film is stupid!!!!