Man U wanted a 2.5 mill loan fee + 12 million survival fee in the 21/22 season but let's not forget Newcastle quoting Man U 50 mil for Sean Longstaff in 2019.
@@BOSSMOSS21 there was a lot off credible sources who said Newcastle would only spend 50 million last season,we spent over 130..don’t believe everything you read!
As a Newcastle fan I don't really get why either Man United fans or fans are getting worked up over this. Dan Ashworth is employed by Newcastle. Man United want him to work for them. Newcastle are under no obligation to just let Dan go and work at a rival prem club, especially if there's a buy out clause in his contract. At the same time Dan is a human and if he feels he's been given an offer to good to refuse then he'll accept it like we all would. This is just business.
If it’s just business can you explain Eddie Howe’s press conference or the £20m quoted to release Ashworth from gardening leave? This whole situation showed Newcastle fans getting more worked up than Man Utd fans. I don’t blame them. Nobody likes it when a key member of staff makes it clear that he doesn’t want to be at the club anymore. What is more telling is Newcastle Utd themselves in this. Their strange and sometimes aggressive public behaviour tells me that they may not have contingency planning for Ashworth leaving (or the planning isn’t ready yet). We will see in the coming months with that.
@@pratosaurusrex1128 why wouldn't we charge a ridiculous fee. We don't want him to go and it's not our job to make your life easier. If you want him, pay for him. As for Howe I think the general feeling inside the club is that Man United approached Ashworth rather than dealing with it club to club.
@@seancampbell7884 you’re actually proving my point. The words you are using show that the fee you want is more to punish Man Utd rather than anything else. Of course a fee should be paid to break the contract between Dan Ashworth and Newcastle, but all I’ve heard from Newcastle fans is that ‘we shouldn’t make Man Utd’s life easy with this’. And I understand that mentality from the fans. The club however? I’d be more worried about the work they have done to see who can replace Ashworth.
@@pratosaurusrex1128 I don't understand your position at all. Take away the fact it's football. If you want something that I have and don't want to sell you'd expect to pay a premium to get it off me wouldn't you? Of course you might well decide it's a ridiculous price and fair enough if you do but I'm not parting with something I want without ridiculous compensation. With respect I think Man United fans have a bit of a victim complex over this. It's got nothing to do with the fact it's Manchester United. I'd expect us to make this offer to any club especially a club we're hoping to compete with in the near future. If you consider that we paid 4 million for him to come to us from Brighton, he's under contract until 2026, and 20 million is likely a starting point in a negation/keeping you at bay until after the summer window to keep insider knowledge on our business away from you I think 20 million is a perfectly reasonable quote. You can't have it both ways. If you think this guy is world class, expect to pay world class money.
This is about ego and hurt feelings, nothing else. Newcastle did the EXACT same thing to Brighton for Dan Ashworth, not 2 years ago. It's now happening to them. A bigger club wants him, he wants to go. It's the natural order of things. Newcastle are bigger than Brighton, man utd are bigger than Newcastle. Newcastles feelings are understandably hurt. Que serra serra
Typical arrogant MUFC fan. Brighton wanted the same thing Newcastle do, a quick resolution. There is no hurt feelings from Newcastle, they will be laughing all the way to the bank from the transfer fee you have to pay.
You guys are owned by Saudi and whatever utd have to pay will ultimately remain a pocket change! Just accept that you will never be big as manchester united@@nathan118804
What is the Longstaff situation you mupet? You want a player - you pay for it. Look at the Antony situation you morons. You expect everyone to give you for free or what? If Newcastle contact ManU for Arshford and ManU say 90mil, is this the same as the Longstaff situation?
Our owners had the balls to let Lingard rot and get him out on a free transfer instead of letting him leave for NUFC on the cheap. This is something those Saudis won't have the guts to do to Dan. They will surely bow to our demands to give us our man, for free. Welcome to the world of football, you amateurs! We've been the biggest team in the world for decades now. Who is NUFC to compete with us??
Exactly. All I am getting from Newcastle fans and the club this situation is ‘it’s only ok when we pinch a DOF/quote an insanely high price for a player’ GTFOH
Great to see the faces of the names I've heard on a daily basis. Lets face it no other clubs or fans like to see United thrive that's why they always like to see us struggle.
My first time watching this channel and I can't help notice that there was alot of "We revealed this" and "We revealed that" talk, like you guys wernt just one of a thousand other reporters saying the same stuff at the same time 🤷♂️
You guys I just had a thought, and this may be farfetched and/or me being pessimistic because of how shite we have been and that has filled me with disbelief that United is moving like a big club. Won't this "galacticos" of executives mean a clash of personalities and stepping on feet? Everyone will want to be the "saviour" of the club? I mean sure they will act within their roles but how rigid is that really? I hope they find the synergy for the betterment of the club and not individuals.
Valid point but a very involved owner might keep the egos in check…also they’ll try to synergize for initial goal to bring success cos all this still doesn’t guarantee any success. This will just course correct us and try to make up for the 10 years we’ve lost under Woodward and co.
@@adimudiraj YOU GUYS ARE MORE THAN CAPABLE OF TAKING UTD A LONG LONG WAY THIS IS IT, YOU, GUYS COULD BE A BIG , WOULDNT IT BE GREAT IF IT WASN, NUST ABOUT THE MONEY INTIITIPN TELLS ME YOU GUY COULD DO IT YOU ALL HAVE , A COOL MINDSETS, DONT KNOW ABOUT TRAIN, UNT BADGE LF HONOUR HAS A SHIP, ALL HANDS PN DECK,
Big up Ayo. it's called PSR in the PL, not FFP. You got it right, while the other suckers/club fed sources refer to FFP. Guys when you become older, remember to check your personal PSA values. ETH in. No more random result, counter-attacking moments FC, gone on for to long. In the modern game, you need pace and mobility. Fridges plays NFL. Bring on Ajax-style football, Gegenpress 4-3-3 Holding. Professionals with proven track-record in. Murthough out. Glazers out! United need more Vikings. Thanks Roy Keane..
One was foa loan deal (with expiring contract) and the other for permanent long term deal. How those are the same things? Also do you want Newcastle to let players for free now?
I'd like to know more about how success is measured for a Sporting Director. If it is a long term appointment what are the markers of having achieved anything. In cases where they employ the manager the effects are perhaps more apparent. However in 1-2 years what have they done, hired some people to delegate responsibilities to? What is the talent pool like globally for such a specialist role?
Also, he joined Brighton in spring 2019. This is his 3rd big appointment in less than 5 years. Maybe United is "the" job but for a role that is said to require the long term he does not have a recent record of dependability does he? Seems more like a short term consultant to me.
@@jamesanthony9316 you only have to look what he did with the current England FA set up. He is the reason why England are winning major competitions at almost every single level at last. He completely revolutionised how the England youth and scouting system works and will do the same now for Man United. It’s what he was planning on doing for both Newcastle and Brighton respectively, but let’s be honest, Newcastle was a much bigger project than Brighton was, and Man United is probably the biggest project in the world right now, that’s the only reason why he left the two positions, the man clearly has ambition. I don’t see him leaving United any time soon, If he gets United back to the top (where they belong), when added to what he did with England, he’ll likely end up becoming Sir Dan Ashworth.
@OldSchoolGameCat yes the England job I would agree from the outside appears to be a success for him personally. I am far more skeptical beyond that though. He wasn't at Brighton or Newcastle long enough or at the right times (after Eddie Howe at Newcastle for example) to attribute anything to him. Especially because the role is already clouded in mystery and obfuscation. Like you say maybe United is the height of ambition but it still has the whiff of same old Man Utd going after a marquee signing...the so called "greatest sporting director this country has produced".
If you talk about success, then it won't be one man works, it will be a team work. Ratclife is forming board team containing people who understand about football. Ashworth will be a part of that team. And his job is to fixing connecting and integration between first team and academy team and development departement, scout departement, data and analysis departement and recruitment departement. Yeah Man United need him, but it doesn't mean he have to responsible alone to reaching the successfull, it's team responsible
@sayeretmatkal6136 OK that's fine it clearly is a team effort but if he is so sought after then there is clearly some metric that signals his effectiveness. I am curious as to what this is.
Yeah that's not how that works. Gardening leave doesn't mean go home and think about what you've done you're still under contract. If Ashworth is found to be doing work for anyone else Newcastle could sue him for breach of contract.
If he brings in the type of player he brought to Newcastle I will be well happy. That is, injury prone players (Isak, Barnes, Pope, etc etc), players suspended for a year for off field actions (tonali), players that cant even make the squad (kual, Minteh ) and ones that make the bench but never get game time or very little game time(Lewis Hall, Tino). Only decent signing was Gordon and we did not really need Ashworth to sign him. He has been a total waste of time and money. A very expensive mistake by Newcastle. I am sure we will be great at Man U. lol
The people in this video are lying: Newcastle approached Brighton first, talked about the deal and after they have set the price Newcastle contacted Dan himself. What are ManU doing is the no dignity approach - because Dan is close to the new ManU investors they thought they can talk to him and not to the club that he is employed by. Absolutely pathetic lol
@@Smrda1312 Obviously Man Reds, becaus ethey are crying all over the internet that Newcastle want to do business and not let go a man with contract for free lol
@@travian-w2p True actually. But the fact that they want to stop him from working for a couple of years is a bit bitter because he could obviously work for man utd just inconspicuously. Yet newcastle are adamant about vlub secrets or whatever but yeah it is probably just them holding out for more money which is fair of course
Lol about Newcastle getting butt hurt about United being referred to as United is illogical. Newcastle is a one team city…their only rival is Sunderland who don’t even play in the same league. Top it all that with Newcastle, if not for that oil money would be still irrelevant and are nowhere close to the only United the whole world knows!
Surely as a Employee Ashworth has a right to resign with immediate effect. All employees have this right! Just like a employer can dismiss a Employee....UK employment Laws
I love the whole Man U perspective of "C'mon, be real, we can use his knowledge anyway. So, just give him to us!" If it's really that easy, why bother buying him at all. Just leave him at Newcastle and poach his knowledge anyway 🤣
@@travian-w2p Well they can't really force him to take a gardening leave beyond a reasonable amount of time. A tribunal will overturn that and then they'll look even worse. No club wants to be seen impeding their employee's career. It will do a lot more harm to Newcastle if they're seen as a club who stands in the way of ambitious employees. A non-compete is only enforcible upto 3-4 months in uk and that too while the employee is getting paid in full by the former employer. Making this out into a fight doesn't benefit Newcastle in any way. Business and fragile egos don't go well together.
Jesus Christ it’s a suite. Have we really got to this clinical boring stage in football where we are talking about executives and nerds like they are players? The “greatest football director this country has produced” what an utter joke. Have a day offz
Lol I don't necessarily agree completely with the original comment but there is some truth there. That "greatest sporting director" comment is laughable. Compared with whom? Who are the other contenders? Ashworth has been employed at places that have had success but has he been around long enough to be considered a key component in those successes? The guy moves on with such regularity that it is worth asking if he is out running failure or stealing a living. That spoke of the wheel quote that gets cited at every turn is pure management speak, I.e, it tells you nothing.
Can anyone tell me who signed off on sancho and Antony? And why we employ John murtough? It’s been unsuccessful so clearly people need to be moved on,fletcher etc Onwards and upwards 🎉🎉
Not too sure Newcastle did too much to keep DA. The Tonali fiasco and the failure to strengthen a fragile frontline in the summer had cast a shadow over his worth. Certainly worth no more than £21 million.
That's because they had a plan in place for the summer. Now they are rightfully worried that those cheap players that they have identified for the summer may end up at United. I don't think Newcastle is getting anything above 5 million from Manchester United. They are still paying him and there is nothing to stop him from talking to United about players even though Newcastle is paying his wages, and at the same time Manchester United can get him for free in a year time. In other words it would benefit Newcastle to sort it out now
FFP has restricted Newcastle United they just can't compete with Manchester United who will likely have double the amount available to spend on transfers this summer. Newcastle United don't have much of a fan base outside England. Then compare that to Manchester United, they are miles behind. Newcastle need to start winning trophies.
@@krish4246yes United aren't in a great position as well, dude. Fyi, if cheap targets like Hall and Livramento are available, any club would want them.
Howe is behaving badly in this and everyone knows it. Howe won't be at that club in the next few years anyway. He will be sacked and they'll upgrade to a newer and better model.
It is absolutely mindboggling to me that Ineos are doing all of this work to appoint competent backroom staff but yet they are seemingly content with sticking with Ten Hag who is an absolute buffoon of a manager. I hope they aren't letting recent results fool them, United are winning despite Ten Hag and not because of him. He is well out of his depth.
This is nothing new, remember when Chelsea prized Peter Kenyon away from Manchester United just as Newcastle did with Ashworth from Brighton. Not even a Manchester United fan but Ashworth was always going to get the better job, Newcastle fans salty as ever over the loan fee Utd asked for but didn't they also ask for 50 odd million for Longstaff.
They put him on gardening leave and he works from home for man utd while getting paid by Newcastle. Or Newcastle can take say 5 million and let him go.
Mate, people move on to different challenges. Idk why you lot are so bitter about a person moving on to a different role. This is not on United, both nufc or mufc. This is on Dan. people change their roles based on options. Brailsford is his buddy so he is comfortable shifting. I for one genuinely hope there should be no animosity between the two giants of clubs
@@krish4246I'm sure they will and why shouldn't they? It's not up to clubs to just make it nice and easy for other clubs to take their assets to weaken them and strengthen other teams.
Bruno arrived in January 2022 , Ashworth didn’t join Newcastle until the following month February 2022. I doubt he had much to do with the signing as he wasn’t in the building.
'Newcastle have ambitions to be number 1, the fans see it as a rivarly' - 1. My guy, you are now learning that money cant but you prestige and the issues with being a front for a humans right abusing nation state. 2. No united fan sees you as a rival, just a wannabe man city who gets their feelings hurt by being called your true name, newcastle. Newcastle should hand full transfer control to howe it worked great for bournemouthe, they for sure didnt waste vast amount of money the would have them ;inged by the current finincial constraints. The PR work by newcastle to bried that ashworth is useless is amazing though. If he was then surely you wouldnt care about losing him like you are.
JOHN MURTOUGH WANTS TO STICK AROUND EVEN MORE HUH. SHOCKING. DARREN FLETCHER TOO THABK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE BUT PLEASE LEAVE AND ONLY COME BACK TO VISIT.
This Ashworth approach is a good sign of whats to come for Man U, underestimating and eventually overpaying 😁 Radcliffe following on in the Glazer vision. 🤣
When will Man Utd's fans that they are not what they were in the 90`, you cant just walk in and take him how you want, pay the damn money and shut up, wtf is all this noise on the media
Radcliffe has definitely made the right start but the club's success really depends on whether he can pull off a takeover. As it stands, I can see the Glazers eying Brighton's model of identifying cheap talent and selling on for huge profit. Unfortunately they're probably licking their lips at all that lovely profit that they can skim.
There is no club became rich because they sell players. Club became rich because the get big contract from sponsorship. Sponsor will offer more money if club win trophy.
@@drewsharratt564 my point is, glazers would never swap money from commercial and sponsor, with money from sell players, because actually, profit from sell player are just cent if they compare it with money from commercial and sponsor
@@drewsharratt564 well, Glazers aren't the decision maker anymore. What majority control? Ratcliffe has full control on football. Do you understand what the mean of FULL CONTROL, it means there no majority control, no minority control, only one who take the control
@@jithinkarikombil That's illegal but United could have him as the de facto director while on gardening leave which is also illegal but much harder to get caught doing.
@@anthonyabdorab I mean if they want him as their director they have to pay the fee Newcastle wants to let him go and Newcastle are owned by Saudi I doubt they have any problem paying his wages.
I mean Newcastle can moan all they want about Ashworth leaving for Man Utd but this is exactly what Newcastle did to Brighton. Dan has an incredible opportunity to help re-build Man Utd without the constraints that he would be under with Newcastle.
Newcastle should just let Ashworth sit at home for 2 years, money isn't really an issue for them. They can sign a replacement and continue on with their project whilst causing united a team they see as a future rival to be somewhat stuck in limbo. Emenalo is already employed by PIF for the Saudi Pro League they could easily re-assign him to Newcastle. I'm sure Newcastle feel a bit aggrieved by the actions of other premier league clubs in response to their takeover.
Gardening leave doesn’t mean they are locked away, with phones and computers. The only evidence of someone breaking the rules would be getting paid, visiting office or signing docs. But if ashworth is gardening leave he can volunteer, provide advice to united for free. If money isn’t an issue, why charge 20m. Why not less or astronomical amount.
Gardening leave is a fancy term for non-compete clause which are only enforcible upto 3-4 months in uk. Regardless, the last thing Newcastle want is to be seen as a club who stand in the way of people seeking to move up. No club/ workplace in the world wants to be seen doing this. This will dissuade a lot of brilliant people from taking a job at Newcastle. Ultimately, both clubs will reach a compromise in the region of 8-10 million and a few months of gardening leave. Business doesn't go well with fragile ego's.
It would be very stupid move by Newcastle... 😂 Dan Ashworth would does his job behind scene, by his laptop, and pointing his scouting and recruitment team to do the job at United office... So basically Newcastle pay his salary for doing Man United's job... 😂
Teams only become rivals by challenging for the league against each other. Once in the 90s doesn’t make Newcastle our rivals any more than Blackburn are 😂
Does no one want to mention the drug enhanced elephant in the room with mr marginal gains. The bloke has ruined his reputation and that of British cycling but everyone seems to keep lording him as a football guru.
If Newcastle push for 20 million when they inevitably try and poach someone else from a club they will have to expect a hefty fee also. Man united will also be getting some advice from Dan ashworth whilst he’s on leave so they will be in no rush. For me United are in the driving seat.
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Chris Waugh is trying so very hard. However UNITED have the whip hand over the barcodes. They get what they get...20 million is just an embarrasing request. They made fools of themselves in public asking for that.
Lets not forget theres other PS Clubs interested and Manure are prepaid to wait ? Charge them Double ! Anyway I Totally agree M8 Who Bloody Cares ? ! As for Knowing our plans Who Cares ? Means Nothing, It;ll have Sumic to do with money Not FootBall ! Take it with a pinch of Salt, Just Shite x
Ashworth done what? He turned England into the most boring team on planet earth along with Southgate. He refused to sign a striker for Brighton and left them with Maupay upfront. Brighton went from relegation contenders to Europa as soon as he left. Newcastle we’re close to signing Maddison, Paqueta and Diaby and Ashworth decided Lewis Hall was a better option. He never recruited brightons hidden gems like Mitoma, Caicedo etc, that was Sam Jewell, all Ashworth did was negotiate a price. All Ashworth wants is over priced British players. If Newcastle get Rangnick, he will be a huge upgrade over Ashworth. Rangnick is the bloke who scouted Haaland, Mane, Nkunku, Gvardiol, Keita, just to name a few. Don’t think Man Utd realise that Ashworth is very stuck in his ways of British players.
Eddie Howe is actually glad he's gone. Contrary to all you Man U fans, nobody at Newcastle is very bothered about him leaving. You hope we are, but we're not. We are more bothered about Amanda screwing you for £20mill.
Roy Keane is right about Ashworth’s lack of loyalty. If ManU want him, pay up £20M & he’s all yours. Dan’s wages are small change to our owners, he can garden til 2026.
Dan on leave would probably give him a much dragon time to correct his mistakes at NewCastle and to master plan his next appointment. Take a peanut and let him leave.