10 years ago there was a small youtuber who said 'Gokus strongest form will look like his base form' and I just wonder where they are right now and what they are doing
@@undefinedYT The other forms make him increase or decrease in size slightly, and make his hair spiky, or in some cases (ssj3) make his hair much longer, whereas these forms literally do nothing but change his hair colour
It's 2024, the silver haired form IS Goku strongest form. DB fans can't read or comprehen even if their lives depend on it and think "TUI" which is a term created by them, is superior to MUI. What they call TUI is just U.I omen/sign but with more liberty of using his emotions without losing power.
fr, bro doesn't ahve 'true' UI yet. He's still in the phase of using UI as a form and not a state. His silver haired form is the current SSJ3. Super strong but taxing on his mortal body.
basically, true ultra instinct is just the technique applied to his base form while mastered ultra instinct is the actual transformation Kinda like ultimate gohan which looks like his base form but beast gohan actually has that power multiplier of ssj2
@@ashonnogordon3285 it does cuz MUI is officially confirmed to the strongest version of UI, and what yall call TUI is nothing but omen itself, all Goku did was put his emotions in that form and it's not something new since Goku has done that against Moro as well while he was in UI sign, so stop calling it a new form lol.
True UI isn’t even a new form. It’s the same Omen state just being used differently (not like an angel, but like a Saiyan). Plus it’s more compatible with his natural base instincts compared to a Super Saiyan form
@@ÉmileMelançonbuddy you can't use MUI's powers properly with an uncalm heart, it's been shown multiple times in the Manga, it can only be used properly with a calm heart which Goku himself told Gas before their fight.
@@raiden8991 Just one problem with that: The "calm heart" version of UI is arguably just Whis' telling of his own version of UI. Among angels, a calm heart is their apex potential. Among saiyans, it's different, and that's gotta be why Whis finally was like "fuck it, find your own version". The avenues and interpretations of sensory and mental inputs that an angel uses for UI aren't the same as what a saiyan would use. I'll bet you Whis was only bitten by Goku in that pre-ToP scene because angelic UI doesn't pick up on that shit, but saiyan UI would've seen it a mile away because that's precisely the kind of barbaric shit it would look for.
@@Erythrium Buddy Goku literally told Gas that he needs to keep his heart calm in order to use the silver haired form to it's full potential, the reason why he was losing to Gas earlier with Vegeta is because he wasn't able to keep his heart calm which restricted the form from evolving, Whis literally told Goku to one use the silver haired form if the situation is dire, when Goku at end used MUI the right way he was easily able to overpower an an even stronger Gas by Grabbing and throwing him into space with his ki avatar. The whole narrative about Goku biting whis was a GAG scene that was only seen in the anime not the Manga lol. Bro just stop using this headcanon about "saiyan UI" cuz UI carries the same concept and emotions only hinder it's growth which is why Goku wasn't even able to hold the black haired form longer than he should have.
@@pesky2119 buddy the problem is, TUI is nothing more than UI sign and MUI anyway is Goku's form, provided he needs to be in the right mindset to maintain it.
mui is like that strogest character in the game but you dont know how to play whit tui is like your fav or og character in the game it dont have the same hax but you fell good playing whit it
I like the idea of Goku using TUI more often even tho its weaker than MUI. I wanna see the form expanded upon in future arcs. Maybe next DB video could go over the SSJ grades and the multipliers since it’s kinda a point of contention among fans. Most notably the debate of whether or not Grade 4 is stronger than Grade 1.
Yeah. Imagine they actually recreate the hype of SSJ1 again in an intense fight with a new Ultra Instinct infused variant. That would actually be awesome and would look sick
It’s complicated Technically grade 2 doesn’t have a direct drawback, it’s merely an upgrade from grade 1. Grade 3 is a massive increase in strength, but in return it drastically reduces the speed and stamina of the user in a fight, it’s basically the body getting heavier and the body isn’t used to having such a heavy weight on the user. This does require a bit of headcanon to explain it tho. Since it never gets addressed exactly whether grade 4 became the new ssj1 or not. From what I interpret. Super saiyan is a form that when it debut is shown to have an explosive boost in power. but at the time it had a subtle change in the user's personality. the point im trying to make is that the form seems to be alien to the body. and because its not used to this level of power, it cant be used to its fullest due to it being a form that can be exhausting physically and mentally for the user to tap into. Super saiyan grade 2 and 3 seem to be what happens when that sudden shift in power can get taxing on the body. As the muscles increase to likely react to the new power boost. This is again an interpretation but it has some merits with how the grades beef the user up and cause strain on the body. With goku concluding that the only real way to reach a new level is not to upgrade but to master the form, achieving the forms highest power without being taxing to the body. “Wouldn’t that mean grade 4 is stronger?” Yes but for the wrong reason. I’d say the reason grade 4 is strong is because it’s the result of the body merely adapting the to change of ssj grade 1 and preventing a strain on the users energy and stamina. It would explain why both goku and gohan no longer have a subtle change in tone when in the form. They’re completely comfortable. That being said, Id say that’s why goku is stronger even tho imo he’s still at a 50x multiplier, because goku is in perfect control of the form and can fight in it without struggle.
@@mrj1897I think your explanation as to why Grade 4 is strong is sound. After much debating I came to a similar conclusion. The reason Mastered SSJ Goku and Gohan were so much stronger than Vegeta and Trunks despite Grade 4 only being 50x is because the training to get used to SSJ as a secondary base form on top of their usual basic training lead to a huge increase in power for their base forms. Essentially their base forms got massively stronger from the training to master SSJ and combining Mastered SSJ’s lack of stamina issues with the power that Goku and Gohan got from training makes for two incredibly strong warriors. This idea is even supported in the Buu Saga as we find out that Base Goku FAR surpassed Base Vegeta and since neither of them would’ve slowed down on their training that means the gap from the Cell Games would still be the same size.
@@MarioSonicBee yeah. I heavily disagreed with the notion that ssj grade 4 was a multiplier amp. As it contradicts goku being in base form after cell during all that time, since why would you ever be in base form if ssj is at its best when it’s on constantly?. It would make more sense that it was the result of their training to master the form being why they got so powerful. Goku was always a genius when it came down to fighting, training especially made that clear. Plus they specified clearly that the form as a result of their mastery made it feel natural to be in ssj. Whereas vegeta and trunks mentioned their time training was to reach a new level, it was all about power and not about the actual training in of itself. Which is again why I conclude that grade 4 is just the result of training in the form. As for the buu arc. Vegeta likely never caught up to goku because he spent most of his time training solo, and without much of a goal. Remember that vegeta trained not to be stronger than himself but to be stronger than goku, and when goku died, he’s shown to be visibly shaken up by this. Goku always had the upper hand because fighting and getting stronger was his obsession, he kept training his body and mind because he always kept wanting to improve himself. Which is what roshi had taught him during dragon ball by saying “there will always be someone stronger around the corner”
Then there's super saiyan 2. In a way it's the fifth grade of Super saiyan. The fully mastered version as there really wasn't any further to go with it besides making it like base form, like they made mastered SSJ (Grade 4) Every other form had a learning curve with it. SSG needed a ritual and while Goku's body adapted to it, Vegeta showed us that there were hoops to travel through to really get it, tho these hoops are linked to god ki and revolves around utilizing god ki to become SSG. SSB had an entire run of needed to be perfected in the manga. UI is still imperfect. SSJ3 brought back issues from the previous SSJ grades showing it's still very flawed. Besides the drawback of making your saiyan instincts go crazy, SSJ2 is pretty much a perfected SSJ. It has all the good qualities found in the SSJ grades and can be maintained. We haven't seen someone relax in SSJ2, but it could be possible. SSJ grade 4, could basically be what SSJ4 is, a new base state and SSJ2 could be the attack ready version.
@@onekidgamer577 I mean all Whis said was “it would seem so” vague. Unlike during the Tournament of Power where he objectively said “Perfected Ssb is the strongest form Goku has” I mean there’s also the fact that UI doesn’t just refer to the silver haired form but the technique in and of itself. Beerus didn’t specify the form
I like the idea that Goku learns from his extremely powerful forms and then turns them into something that fits him more. It actually feels like he's a martial artist learning a variety of techniques from others and then fine tuning them in his own special way. I think that's better than him just getting a new form and winning. He passes a limit, learns from it, and makes it a benchmark!
Yeah this is a good evolution for Goku as a character. One thing I wish super focused more on is Goku's usage of forms. And by that I mean his reliance. They did focus on it here and there, but it could've been a bigger deal. SSG gave him a new realm of power he hasn't felt since Vegito and then he's continously evolving on top of that. Making the forms feel natural and he even gets UI sign and MUI and now he feels strong. Beerus and Whis are stronger, but he doesn't see them as an objective yet. Broly could be a good catalyst for Goku to realize his overreliance on all his new forms, studying UI with Whis could bring him to his answer of TUI like it did. All in all I wish they could've written Goku going back to his roots in a way, better.
I think Goku has gotten rid of the issues he had before with Silver Ultra Instinct, as he is shown to have greater efficiency with the form in the latest chapter of the DBS manga and in chapter 102, Beerus and Whis did confirm that Silver Ultra Instinct is Goku strongest and best form.
The main issue is that goku needs to be calm to activate and that he can’t use his emotions. I doubt those are fixed, but I also know that he didn’t need to use them against gohan since he’s just sparring
@@blazeknight2629 It’s more of that it wouldn’t be a match for Gohan Beast, as after Goku went Silver Ultra Instinct, he said “No point in taking our time. Our best moves, right off the bat! Let’s go!” That conveys that both are using their best power ups against each other, which is supported by Beerus and Whis revealing that the Silver Ultra Instinct is his best form.
@@blazeknight2629 Actually no, Goku at one point did go all out and that was when he was trying to dodge Gohan Beast at full power. The manga panels showed him his face was contorted with strain in his efforts to dodge as he was doing his best not to get hit. And when Gohan does land two big hits against Goku, Vegeta was surprised that Gohan was able to bypass Ultra Instinct reactionary speed and Vegeta’s a reliable source since he’s been training with Goku on Beerus’s planet after the Granola Arc, so he would know Goku’s current limits.
I think the final evolution for Goku’s Ultra Instinct will be Goku fighting so freely in his base form (similar to his fight vs Uub) that there will never be a need for him to transform into Super Saiyan for a power boost again. He will be so in touch with his natural instincts that he’ll be able to output the most effective and efficient use of his power that Super Saiyan forms wouldn’t be able to do (since they’re a set multiplier and they drain stamina). Then when the time comes for a last resort Goku can switch into MUI temporarily to seal the deal.
That's what I'm hoping for. Just give him like a white aura or just have him wear his blue gi to symbolise his mastery. But give him absolutely no physical change.
The final power up for goku I think will be him being able to use ui the silver haired form with his emotions while tui will be his base form. And with his other transformations his eyes in those forms will be silver.
You forgot to mention that true ui can have its dodge overwritten if the power difference is large enough, as seen when beast Gohan managed to overwrite ui’s dodge in their fight in the newest chapters
TUI Passive: Gain +100% speed and strength for as long as form is active MUI Passive: Gain +200% speed, strength and durability for 60 seconds, every next 30 seconds after loose 50% of speed, strength and durability till it's 50%
This is probably the best description. Goku mui accuracy is worse over time that's why granolah beat mui because he discover mui drawback and use that to gain adventage by let goku mui accuracy worse enough for granolah to knock goku out cold
@@user-xs3rc1ut8h The only reason why MUI's accuracy dropped was because Goku couldn't keep his heart calm, the form can only be used and maintained properly if the user is in the right mindset, he clearly explained this to Gas.
In conclusion: MUI = Overclock Mode TUI = Balanced Mode Soon, UI will likely become his base form, and SSJ might just be a power boost? or he might never use SSJ again. But this is Dragon Ball, so inconsistency is always an issue
5:56 minor correction but Kefla was actually still rivaling UI Omen’s power once she went SSJ2, both were causing the other to increase their power exponentially. Even at the very end of their fight it was made very apparent that either could’ve won the fight but since Goku had the superior form he pulled the victory.
Anyone else see the potential set up for a new saiyan based transformation? MUI goes against his Saiyan nature, so he’s gonna stick to the easier to use one while still keeping his Saiyan tenacity. He’ll eventually try to dabble further and go beyond it leading to a new transformation. Super Saiyan 4 becoming canon. Watch. (This is the biggest stretch I’ve ever made in my life).
I mostly consider this debate as "which form is more narratively interesting" honestly. When the question comes up in debates, this is always how I view it
I theorize that True Ultra Instinct is an upgraded form of Ultra Instinct ~Sign~ because Goku can harness emotions to power it up. However, unlike Mastered Ultra Instinct (also known as Perfected Ultra Instinct), True Ultra Instinct focuses on emotional enhancement, not pure instinctive offense, making it distinct from the fully instinctual nature of Mastered/Perfected Ultra Instinct.
No, it's like this; The default UI Style is obviously Angel Style, but that doesn't suit Goku's Saiyan Physiology, so Goku developed a different UI Style that suits him, which is TUI, the Saiyan Style of UI. But unlike Angel Style UI where Goku can access the White Hair transformation, Goku can only access the Sign level of Saiyan Style UI at the end of Granolah arc. We don't know yet if Goku was able to access Saiyan Style UI's White Hair Transformation at the end of Superhero Arc (the White Hair transformation he used against Gohan and co.) tldr; Goku has access to 2 Styles of UI, Angel version is the default and TUI is his own version. Goku can access White Hair transformation of Angel Style UI but its unknown if Goku is able to access White Hair of Saiyan Style.
The example at the end made it reallllll digestible, because that's so true. The strongest character in a given game may not suit your play style, I know that feeling because of smash.
Exactly. This was also confirmed by the last chapters of the Superhero saga where Goku states he is fighting Gohan with his strongest form, being MUI. TUI is just a better adaptation for saiyans. I just wish TUI was more distinct from UI Omen.
You did almost say everything wrong this is goku's all forms: super saiyan, perfected super saiyan, super saiyan 2, perfected super saiyan 2, ssj3, perfected ssj3, super saiyan god, perfected super saiyan god, super saiyan blue, perfected super saiyan blue, ultra instinct (the manga version of ui with blue aura), mastered ultra instinct, perfected ultra instinct (the form where he unlock it against moro), true ultra instinct (true ultra instinct is the ultra instinct what angels use goku is training to master it and incompleted version of tui is closing eyes and calm your self and when it is mastered then you don't need to close your eyes but it uses really much energy every second). I'am self a mega dragon ball fan and manga version too I'am everyday watching and reading dragon ball again so I'am sure what I'am talking about.
Tell me if i kinda get the gist of it. Tui is just anorher version of mui in which he can use if he didn't want to have to suppress his feelings but mui is still stonger(as he stated) so tui is just a different route he can use which his is more efficient and comfortable with but besides that mui is stronger(as he stated after getting knocked out of tui he went mui and was able to surpass his opponent)tho he has to have a calm state of mind the majority of the time.
Great vids but TUI still requires one’s mind to be calm to tame Goku’s saiyan instincts, the point Whis made when he was training Goku is that, no matter which state you’re in, if your mind is empty then yo body should move automatically, in the very same training he told I’m a different life form than you, I don’t have emotions like you saiyans do, so you need to find your version of UI, that was Whis telling Goku he needs to a way to make use of his heart (emotions) in his UI but he still told that empty mind is requirement before that, TUI is Goku letting his dormant instincts(violent nature of saiyans) out but he should not let his emotions corrupt his mind, it is what is clouding your judgement in fights, his mind won’t be clouded since his fighting purely on instincts, he’s letting his survival instincts carry him throughout the battle, which it is a lesson Bardock was put on the chapter to pass on, that you should have complete faith in your strength than anything hence “what sorta idiot would think about nothing but victory in a life or death battle” statement goes along those lines but the entire point is that Bardock was letting his resolve carry him throughout the battle. That’s why Gas told Goku’s your father’s resolve was like no other. Goku’s letting his saiyan instincts carry him throughout the battle, Both found way to hone their saiyan instincts, Vegeta too through his UE, his love for battle and it is saiyan instincts dominate your opponents in battle, Vegeta said before Frieza fighting was their way of living, they didn’t do for money or ulterior motive, they are like wild beasts that is their true nature, TUI is a pure saiyan free of everything that corrupts their minds or spirit. TUI’s fighting style is vastly different MUI than angel copy UI Goku used, which is why Whis told Goku to stop copying him, it more attack than defence while MUI is an automated calculator, TUI is going for the memo, he just went in and pressed Gas something he wouldn’t do if he was in MUI, that’s why Vegeta’s commented is this fighting style if it’s supposed to be ultra instinct and laughs at it, it’s because he sees something that is saiyan based, point is Goku still doesn’t think about his movements but he’s allowed to be his saiyan self.
I find tui as similar to ssg, where future forms of goku will be stacked on top of it like how we got ssgss. Wouldnt be surprised if we got ssui or something down the line.
True UI should reach a master state that gives Goku an orange hair color and bonus points if it also has ssj4 design but orange. If would be peak if it requires a 'playful/excited' state of mind. Very Son Wukon, very Son Goku.
@undefinedYT they aren't any more overpowered than the ultra forms or beast, they'd probably open up new possibilities and bring back some gt characters.
@amensbuildingjourney i think ssj4 isn't stronger alone, but it could probably be combined with ssjgod or ssj or both and potentially get stronger that way. And kaioken would work well with ssj4.
I have more details to add since a chapter came up, mui would be the better if goku is fighting someone he doesnt hate, like vegeta or whis or broly for sparing or someone in the tournament of power(that handle mui ofc) , but then tui would be better when goku is fighting a enemy that makes him rage. That's why goku used tui against gas and blackfrieza but used mui later against beast gohan.
Tui just allows him to use his emotions freely whilst giving him the basic abilities of ultra instinct. In no way it is stronger than mui just more efficient
More like Angel Style White Hair UI is stronger, but he's uncomfortable with it while he's perfectly comfortable using TUI. Also MUI doesn't exists, it's only UI *Sign,* UI and TUI.
Jesus. You guys need to stop. True Ultra Instinct is not a thing yet. Goku was too emotional at the time to access Mastered Ultra Instinct full power because of what he experienced with his father's scouter. So he used the Omen state since he could use his emotions in that state. He's only scratching at the surface of what his unique form will be. We'll likely see the end result of this experimentation in the Black Frieza arc. This is why in the very next arc, everyone says Goku's gray hair form, Mastered Ultra Instinct, is his most powerful form. He didn't fight Gohan in this "True" form.
MUI is a transformation with everything it entails just like the god forms it has the shell brealing bit showcasing him evolving into something else, True UI is probably closer to the technique that Beerus uses: UI withou "transforming" as such TUI is closer to a Kaioken beeing that its "only" a technique that anyone could pull off in theory, this if I had to guess with all the "better suited for a saiyan" and allowing for emotions is paving the way for Super Saitan UI, just like SSB Kaioken
It’s all about stamina issue and which can perform the longest we’ve seen some notable feats from both firms and its usage of power although mastered ultra instinct is a better true UI derives from goku’s heritage and power.
TUI is just omen and mui > omen , only reason omen was cooking against gas in those scenes was because Goku was charging his form ( like in the anime when goku went mui ) and that’s why it was so strong against gas.
Bro its already been stated TUI is a enhanced form meaning its stronger than its predecessor so that doesn’t mean MUI beats TUI just cause its the same form just with emotions not saying MUI loses cause as of now currently MUI is way stronger than TUI it was weaker than TUI before the time skip
@@Rxndomjay its literally just a stronger version omen why did he use mui to finish off gas? We know that omen was getting stronger every sign in the tournament
@@begito9024 It was stated TUI drained his energy fast so maybe he couldnt tap into it again ever thought of that? or my theory is maybe MUI was stronger after adapting to gas cause we all know before that he was getting bodied
@@begito9024 It was stated TUI drained his energy fast so maybe he couldnt tap into it again ever thought of that? or my theory is maybe MUI was stronger after adapting to gas cause we all know before that he was getting bodied
Fuck both of these forms. Can't wait for Limit Breaker Goku
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TUI is just a foreshadow for goku's possible final transformation (probably will fuse it with super saiyan or something like that). MUI is for sure strongger, but he has no way to improve the tecnique, and will never have because like whiz said, he needs to develop his own (and MUI isn't his). And remember, saiyans get an insane boost for being anger, MUI loses that and gohan literally showed how op it was by picking goku by surprise. Goku probably fight better by mixing both like he did in granolla arc (and if we consider the manga as the most correct, for correcting many plot holes, you can see that we never ever saw goku anger on MUI, because he can't, he literally has to calm himself on moro's arc after meru's sacrifice, the Jiren scene makes no sense, especially if you consider that Jiren is a hero).
In the latest chapter, Beerus stated that MUI is Goku's most powerful form and whis didn't argue with that and we all know that Goku kept on training with whis since the granola arc
UI went from being really cool to really lame. The concept of Goku's ultimate method being just peak efficiency was awesome but then they couldn't help tying a transformation to it. I've always wanted the end goal for Goku and Vegeta to be them realizing they're beyond needing transformations.
Why are so many Dragon Ball channels and fans still using these made up names like MUI and TUI all these years later when we have had the official names for years now? the black hair with silver eyes is Ultra Instinct Sign and the silver hair and silver eyes is Ultra Instinct
Because they're abbreviations? TUI = True Ultra Instinct MUI = Mastered Ultra Instinct SSB = Super Saiyan Blue It's like asking why also known as is abbreviated as aka.
@@idolizedpluto So why not be true to the official names and just call them UIS and UI or Sign and UI I get SSB because they actually refer to the form as Super Saiyan Blue in the series
That’s not what happened at all with gas. If you actually read the manga, MUI goku and UE vegeta were getting clapped by gas, TUI goku was a bit stronger than gas before he started to get cursed. Then goku uses MUI just to get the susano and launch gas off to space, as a way to get him off guard, as opposed to just trying to go grab him and try to throw him to space, and MUI goku didn’t "overwhelm" gas at all, as throwing someone to space isn’t really a better feat than fighting on par with someone. Obviously goku can only use the susano in MUI, not in TUI. Clearly TUI is superior, or goku would’ve used MUI to beat gas Also you would have to completely ignore the narrative of TUI, as whis straight up tells goku that he needs to figure out his own version of UI, and TUI is what goku came up with, as a stronger alternative for MUI, again, that was the entire build up for that transformation, with the bardock stuff and goku fully understanding being a saiyan. As it was also built up that MUI isn’t really all that reliable, especially for long periods of time as it becomes less accurate There was also literally no reason for goku to not use MUI as he was fully healed, but he opted for TUI instead, how would you explain that? And him getting destroyed by gas with vegeta by his side? Heck it was even just portrayed as being way better by him saving vegeta, who was going to get stronger than MUI goku This is all not accounting that a transformation in DB has never been weaker than an older one, accept if it had a caveat. Saying MUI is stronger just doesn’t make sense at all, the best you could say is that the susano is goku’s strongest form, but not MUI itself
Facts, but for some reason in the latest chapters Goku is using MUI again instead of TUI. Toyotaro definitely retconned and nerfed/deleted TUI or buffed MUI
You forgot that whis said MUI was Goku's trump card. That's why he used it at the end of the battle to throw Gas away. He saved it for the end which is what whis was talking about.
@@beegpappa7900 you just repeated what the video said, and again, you’re just ignoring a lot of factors, for a very vague statement, and a throw UI is goku’s trump card, I don’t remember whis specifically saying that MUI is better than TUI, as he has never even seen it, and even if whis said that MUI is goku’s trump card, that was before TUI, and again, that’s a very vague statement anyway. Again, if you actually read the manga, goku simply off guards gas and throws him to space right away, as gas only realized what was happening until goku had already grabbed him. Please tell me how that’s a better feat than anything TUI has done. Also, that specifically was the susano form, how can you prove that’s as strong as the normal MUI. And explain to me MUI getting clapped along with UE vegeta
Those aren't even the real names of the forms they are made up names that people who don't actually pay attention to Dragon Ball use the black hair with silver eyes is called Ultra Instinct Sign and the silver hair and silver eyes is called Ultra Instinct
As the more talk we get of sayain ancestry the more I hope we get ssj4. The all time best looking form Goku ever had.... Sadly glued to GT which only has 2 good arcs. Baby, and shadow dragons.
Why isn't it ultra instinct sign when in the scan you provided it says sign(true)? also why would the lack of dodging be an enhancement when that's a key feature of UI?
MUI- more powerful TUI- more effective Like how a saiyan feels more natural and more comfortable in Base than they do SSJ or Great Ape. Because those forms feel less natural to them as they can only use those forms under special conditions. That’s why most saiyans lose control. So it’s hard to a mortal warrior with battle emotions to remain fully calm and resemble an Angel. It’s obviously a better choice for them to pick the one that can use battle emotions. Literally a Saiyan UI and an Angel UI.
in the end Mastered ultra instinct (silver hair) is clearly better than omen ultra instinct (black hair), because in the initial explanation ultra instinct is a technique that separates consciousness and body, when in an attacking and defensive position, or it can be said that in Goku's case, when in omen mode he only adopts ultra instinct abilities only to the extent of defending but his attacking abilities still use his consciousness, that's why he said he was still more comfortable using omen mode than Mastered ultra instinct because he had not fully mastered ultra instinct, so the point is that Goku's ultra instinct has not reached its perfect point, it does not mean that omen mode is stronger than Mastered mode.
Mui has already been stated to be the better form lol. Only downside is the stamina but once he full masters it to the point it doesn’t drain him like whis and the other angels
Tui = ui sign but with Goku's saiyan nature using it so more attack less defense Mui = Goku shutting down all his emotions for more power and benefits but can't keep it for long and the more tired he is in that form the less accurate mui is for goku (More speed and defense and counterattacks that slowly becomes weaker and less accurate)
"Saiyan's get stronger as they fight, aka zenkai boost" This is false. Slight correction: Zenkai boosts specifically are when saiyans reach the brink of death, then recover. The "brink of death" is highly essential, just regular fighting or training doesn't cut it. The term you're looking for is "saiyan adaptation", but there's no real term for it. Saiyans do get stronger as they fight, vaguely so, but it's not Zenkai boost.
Tui is explained as a refined version of omen with emotions but We mui is still his trump can in the gohan battle as well as once goku is knocked out by gas he chooses to go into mui and use his avatar to overpower him once more showing its power is above mui
MUI is the strongest Goku's technique (and yeah, MUI is not a transformation, it's a technique). TUI isn't even close in terms of power to MUI, the problem is up to Goku. Goku can't fully develop and use full potential of UI and MUI so he created TUI to combine his UI state and Saiyan being. For example: If MUI has power 100, then TUI has power 50, however Goku can't really cope with MUI so he's using 40 or even less power of that technique.
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4:54 I thought of it like this. The xbox series s is an evolution to the one s while the same is true with the series x So tui to ui omen Ans hypothetical tmui to mui so I'd say tui ain't as strong as mui or is at least that strong because gas is stronger than mui
