Why Norway, Ireland & Spain are Recognising Palestine 

How? Hanas decided it wanted to feel the steam roller you expect the sun to blow up in small blasts? its war...

Or 6 months ago when an Israeli politician cried to "send them all(Palestinians) to Ireland"

​@@davidboi4025you are sick in the head 🧠 🪱

Poland: look I am on your side and hate Islamic fundamentalist, but we have to admit Palestine statehood. Irasel: you are a traitor and would let jews to the Nazis!!

​@@toyotaprius79as if the Irish wouldn't love it

Power is like an addictive drug,once yout taste it its hard to let go.

That’s why the two other members of national unity cabinet have threatened to resign if he doesn’t provide a “day after” plan for Gaza by June 8th.

It's not all on him though, some of Israel's other politicians are just as monstrous and should be held accountable. Israel isn't like Russia where you get defenestrated if you speak up

True, that's a reality that even the isreali admit, that doesn't change that this is a political move tho, nor a humanitarian one.

Bull crap its real easy for you Europeans who are thousands of miles away to tell Israel how it can fight a war when you dont have to deal with hamas ​@@rene280195

Yeah given the situation, it little late for that declaration. But better late then never I guess

@@starmaker75 Leo Varadkar has Been saying Ireland would recognize but only do as whole of EU rather than one nation but his successor is little more nationalist in his heart and decide go ahead without need EU to do it

Well actually, you can say Palestine is independent.Except for the fact that the Israeli army is keeping the Order for them...And the fact that Israel surpresses most of the extreme Jihadi factions...So yeah...Independence!

Is this a bit account? Lmao

​@dimaignatiev6370 lol, israel has a history of suppressing secular independance movements in palestine and promoting/supporting jihadist movements. Right-wing Israeli governments need a foil to maintain occupation and expansion of settlements. Lets also not forget the most pro-peace israeli president was assassinated with wide support and edorsment by society and currrent leaders.

Because the three counties are American allies and, in the case of Ireland, Biden's ancestral home.

@@kevburkegood, and more will follow in the coming months

Too bad Palestine doesn't recognize itself.

because he likes a two-state solution where both states are Israel

Because it’s after they started 5th terrorist war, while most of Palestinians still would vote in radical Islamist that wants violence. Why not recognise ISIS then?

maybe there could be a Muslim willing to be president that you could write-in a vote for? or vote for the Greens if available in your state as they are pro-peace in general? or you could just abstain if you don’t want your voice to be heard

@@GobbiExistsyeah just abstain and let trump win 🤦‍♂️

Womp womp

Shockingly an electoral system that feasibly only has two parties (that originally were one) isn't democratic at all.

LOL Israel took control over the Philadelphi Corridor today. Now there are even less chances for a Palestinian state to ever be possible. The international community can do as they please, the facts speak louder than their tantrums. Palestine is not independent.

It's great to see. I shudder everytime British media just plough ahead with "Irish Prime Minister" 🤮

@@fionanosullivan6522 You "shudder"? Have a bit more nuance. It's not an easy word to pronounce, just as I wouldn't expect a Chinese person to pronounce "ostentatious" perfectly on their first try. It's a hard word to pronounce with sounds that aren't native to their language. Don't be so judgemental.

Sorry, most people don't speak faery.

I see the assblasted section of the Brits have arrived lol

@@neondemon5137 Yeah, we know you don't. You speak Pashtun lmao

He's seen as the lead voice of people to the right of the Conservatives and gets given air time in the media by people who want to shift UK political discourse rightwards. Remember that a lot of the UK medias journalists/reporters see the Conservatives as the default middle ground as they are in the same political bubble, are friends with and went to the same schools/universities as them.

I think it's less about 'ability to win' and more about 'ability to take votes away from people on the same end of the political spectrum'. Nobody is really expecting him to 'win', but the Tories are likely very glad that he isn't running for that reason alone - the UK has a very different culture around voting for non-primary parties even in elections where it is strategically disadvantageous, compared to, say, the US.

@@HeavyMetalMouse both countries use shitty FPTP if u didnt know y

Canada has the far right, xenophobic, somewhat Trumpian "People's Party of Canada" led by a disgruntled politician who didn't think that the Conservatives' shift to the right was far right enough. Although it got more votes in 2021 hitting about 6% of voters by getting almost all the votes of Canadians who are full bore anti-vaxers the People's Party didn't win a single seat in the country for the second election in a row. I'm not sure if it cost Conservatives any seats in either 2019 or 2021. Now that vaccine mandates are long gone I suspect that the People's Party will in the next election fall back to 2% of voters where it was in 2019 and likely will fall into complete irrelevance after that, especially as the Conservatives have moved even further right.

Waiting for an abomination’s response against your comment…

Another way to see it is: Hamas has gain the support of Spain president and other Spain mimisters, and said president is trying to make a smoke screen around his wife corription investigation through a diplomatic action, so Israel is mad with this political movemenr because: 1) some of the isreali ministers are monster and asshole 2) is like a treat to Hamas, they started this particular conflict and now they have a political Ally within the EU, Pedro Sánchez.

No they aren't it's just war

​​@@elvangulley3210 Your lies are dead in the water. How many international courts do you need chasing after your country before you wake up?

@@RazorMouth the same court that says nothing of what going on in Africa

No we dont

Yeah, here in Czechia we overwhelmingly support Israel with extremely small portion of population expressing sympathy with Palestine. Calling it Big, is disingenuous.

The Palestinians probably find it hilarious as they have been offered that 5 times since 1948 and rejected it because they only believe in a one state solution.

I wish Palestine would just accept full statehood with the 2 state solution

​​​​​@@frankyyaggabot6222 The main problem with that was sovereignty, Israel wanted Palestine to have no army, Israel would control the Jordan river border, and would be able to invade or in their words "can freely operate within Palestinian state to rid terrorists", and wanted settlers to stay where they were. And Palestine didn't reject it, but wanted clarifications. Palestine wanted full control of its resources and the ability to have a military, however Yasser Arafat (who had mandate from all Palestinian groups to negotiate) did accept. The "Palestine didn't accept peace" is a lie that Israelis spread.

​@@frankyyaggabot6222 according to u that is. Those offers are highly biased and one-sided in favor of iz ra tel. That's why some of them were rejected. (Code word "SOME"not all)

​@@frankyyaggabot6222 absolutely false and misleading. Those "deals" included things like a palestinian state heavily subservient to the Israelis.

I think you're reading too deep into what's in essence political posturing.

This is just woke posturing. But de facto they are recognizing Hamas as legitimate. So they are sponsoring terrorism.

​@@Lo6a4evskiy no, he has a point

My country recognised Palestine years ago and we simply say that the border havent been decided yet. Its done so the 2 state solution will be more likely. Btw this does not mean that we support hamas or any other terrorist group.

It doesn't mean anything. No country recognizes Palestinian borders or government. Practically, Israel controls everything but Gaza (although they have now set foothold in the territory). The West Bank and Gaza are ruled by different bodies, but the West Bank is overseen by Israel. Contrast that with Taiwan, which is de facto an independent country but not recognized as such. In the current global order, being recognized as an independent state comes with certain benefits. Palestine cannot take advantage of most of them however, because it's just not independent. Having other countries recognize Palestine is a way for them to show disapproval of Israel. Nothing more, nothing less.

Good to hear that Czechia loves Israel but can you tell me why?

@@ofer3000 Both were oppressed for a long time, and both had similar situations. As google puts it, Lubomír Zaorálek said that Czech media and society viewed Israel as a trusted friend, a vibrant democracy, and an economic and technological powerhouse, adding that the Czech Republic had one of the lowest levels of anti-Semitism in Europe.

@@randomperson-uj4bp ❤️

Just a casual 4.5 million kg extra taters

What is a "license plate"? Do you mean a number plate?

@@slopernafti902 in Canada we call them license plates ya dig?

@@BeenchHoopla Imagine living in Canada lol. Horrible place.

@slopernafti902 in Canada our plates aren't just a number, they have the province name, a slogan, some provincial imagery, etc. Same thing in the US.

It is "some kind of political solution tho"

As opposed to letting them riot forever?

@@svenrio8521 I find it extremely unimaginative of you that you can't think of any other solution to get angry people to stop rioting other than force. You could pause the reform to appease them and then meet with them address their concerns and compromise

@@sizanogreen9900 "solution" is doing a lot of heavy lifting there

@@calvinware7957unrealistic expectations

I think they skipped that part

not comparable. Palestine is under an occupation while Somaliland is a breakaway region of Somalia.

Somaliland isn't currently facing genocide and a whole host of other severe issues related to a occupation by Israel... Most countries respect that Somaliland should earn its independence through an agreement with Somalia. Especially with Ethiopian support for Somaliland they have some leverage over Somalia.

it did face a genocide between 1988 till 1991. that is why somaliland should take over the world​@@Luredreier

@@iihamed711UN should just impose the first Mandate and get all palestinian arabs to Jordan. Enough of emoty space there

@@Luredreier genocide lmao? Don't be insane. The only thing even remotely related to genocide in this situation was by Hamas on Jews on 7th October 2023. Unlike Hamas, Israel don't target civilians...

Funny, Catalonia and Basque also support Palestine as well so they on term with Spain

Spain doesn't support kosovo

they should receive all refugee

That has little to do with separatism. Or are you implying Palestine was never meant to be a country like the UN said, and that instead is a separatist region of Israel?

@@maxman4948They already do, one of the EU countries who takes more migrants. Anyway if you love Israel so much why don’t you go there to live? What a lame comment:

They've been in talks for a while. This was not a surprise or anything, it's a coordinated effort

1967 borders and the Palestinian Authority

@@nopasaran7534 And Jerusalem as the capital, with the squatters out.

​@@glitch9065 the "squatters" are the Jews?

The people, so that they can’t be wiped off the map?

That's not the actual issue for Israel. They only care that there is something - anything - hinting at validating the existence of Palestinians and Palestine. It is literally the official policy of the ruling coalition in Israel to deny and undermine both a state and the functioning of what passes for a governing structure (for example, they have, yet again, taken and withheld tax revenue in the occupied territories this week, and threatened further punishment for the recognition.... upon the Palestinians). The problem is that Zionism as it is conceived in Israel is incompatible with reality and justice, and the stated political desires of most of the rest of the world and international law. They believe they cannot and will not ever tolerate a state. On the contrary, the ruling coalition - and a large swatch of the Israeli population, though it is nuanced - want to continue seizing and expelling corralling the millions of Palestinians who are left in the region. There is no room for pretending Israel is reasonable here, that the details and "timing" are the problem. They fundamentally do not accept that Palestinians have the right to exist.

What country are you from?

@@gusgrow9768 Spain

Feliz por reconocer terroristas?

​@@nom33345Llora

The same happened last year in Spain, when Sánchez called for early elections the 23rd of July. The right accused him of wanting a low turn out, so that the abstention rate could favor PSOE, but actually the turn out increased a little bit (66.5%, compared to 65% in 2019).

Sadly won’t happen

Taiwan is a complicated case. Why you may ask? Because, it's officially the Republic of China. It includes not only the biggest Island (Taiwan) but other smaller islands. Also, it claims the whole territory under the People's Republic of China. So, you see, it's not Taiwan and China but the Republic of China and the People's Republic of China. You can recognize either one, not both. Both have claims on the same territory. This issue is a little different than the Israel-Palestine issue. This is why most countries recognize PRC because they can recognize only ONE and PRC is more beneficial one to recognize.

Only if Taiwan recognizes Palestinians

@@NoEndForUs Just like in the Palestine case...So they claim...I didn't see any Kuomintang there lately...

​@@NoEndForUs the Reichkommasarit of Palestine I mean PA don't claim entire historical palastine as thier own country. Plus settler states are bad and guess who is a settler state in Taiwan (ROC)

Norway has always historically been pro Palestine, at least since after 1980s.

Basing middle-east policy on something totally unrelated that happened in the 1840s - is simply childish.

Sadly, the history is still deliberately mistaught in Ireland, which is why their Taoiseach has taken the side of Hamas which will embolden other terrorists across the world. I hope the following helps and starts a course of checking what readers were taught in school: 1) The Palestine Mandate was not British colonialism. The League of Nations asked Britain to arrange a homeland for the Jews, as Britain was one of the few nations with even a vague possibility of doing so. Two states were created with Arab Muslims given Jordan and Israel to the Jews. 2) There were far more famines in Ireland before 1801, but these could not be blamed on the British as there was still an Irish Government. British brought new technology and industry, which reduced these famines, but did not eradicate them. 3) The independence movement started the disingenuous view that all the landlords were British. They were almostly entirely Irish and the same families as before 1801, but they practised the "British religion" of Protestantism or lived in London, which is common around the world for the wealthy to live near the capital. Even the Scots that were moved there centuries earlier were termed British, as they were not Catholic and represented the ruling class. This was designed to create a common enemy for the working Catholic peasants, albeit the leaders were mostly middle class. Paradoxically, American families who left 300 years ago and have never visited Ireland are considered Irish. 4) Britain was made up of MPs from all 4 nations, but, since 1801, it was not de rigueur to mess with domestic affairs. The British government, Crown and people sent the equivalent of billions of pounds in aid and, eventually, it was Britain that resolved the problem. 5) And what the Irish education system especially ignores is that Britain and Europe were all suffering famines following poor harvests across the Continent. 6) Following independence, there was a significant risk the Irish people would want to rejoin Britain, so the teaching of history was amended with many facts now almost impossible to research online under the tide of falsehoods. It is time to return to the truth and I hope readers will undertake some research, so Britain and Ireland can bury the past. 7) There were definitely heinous acts carried out by the British government or its agents, but these occurred across all 4 nations and undertaken by people from all 4 nations.

Did you ask the Bengali people of India?

I'm moroccan. Spain can keep Ceuta and melilla. Stop the genocide in gaza. And just for your info, catalans are also in support of recognising palestine.

@@noone2262 if you don't care about Morocco, you are a traitor! And you must support the Republic of Catalonia!! And what about the Curdistan, where Turkish do a genocide? Double standards!

I think you're vastly overstating how important the general election is, I mean it's just an exercise in democracy which happens around every 5 years or so. But yes replacing blue with red.

Starmer is going to be exactly the same as the tories don't get your hopes up

Where was this criminal court when there was genocide in Syria, they are a joke.

The same criminal court that's done nothing against Kim jong un? Yeah, reliable source

@@nom33345 He's already sanctioned to hell plus he isn't committing a genocide.

@@GatisLandis What genocide? The one ISIS did against the Yazidi?

@@spacemarine3482 not committing genocide? Are you stupid?

Because the world doesn't revolve around American holidays.

They're trying to do something while the Yanks are distracted.

Various reasons: Rishi may have been facing a internal vote of no confidence and leadership challenge after his MPs faith in him declined. There was good news with inflation dropping to 2.3%. Forecasting showed that government borrowing in the autumn was going to be higher than expected so he wouldn't be able to justify the tax cuts he would like to do. the General Election campaign to 6 weeks long as a minimum so... The right-wing politics apparatus that we share with the US didn't want to be be working flat out on UK & US elections at the same time over September/October. They didn't want it to clash during the English school holidays (mid July-end of August) when the greatest number of people are on holiday. They didn't want to hold it December/January as it would interrupt peoples Christmas's and older people (who tend to vote Conservative) are less likely to come out and vote in the colder and darker winter months. & The more time passes, the more problems and scandals are piling up for the Conservatives.

Naaa. Catalonia's process towards independence is slowly dying, even if the opposition parties in Spain keep arguing otherwise. You only have to see the results on the elections of Catalonia this past weeks. The pro independence parties have died out and for the first time in decades they don't even sum a simple majority in the Congress. Catalan people are moving on

Dream on! Don't get any funny ideas. This is just an exception, 'cause they're Jews. You know how it is. Spain is not Jewish so not the same.

Catalonia just voted overwhelmingly for unionism in the last election.

No

​@@metamorphis7Hamas yes. PA : No. They want something along the lines of 1967 borders.

@@preetjitsingh328 is that actually supported by any real actions? Last I checked all of the negotiations about anything of the sort have historically failed and all of the polling also suggests otherwise.

@@Lo6a4evskiy issue is about some caves and one neighbourhood. In fact had Tzipi Livi won; there would have been a Palestinian State. Would it have lasted? God knows. The right wing from both sides might not have allowed it

As always, its complicated. Most of them do dream of that, but most (almost all) believe that it is not practical or reasonable. The people are broadly divided into 2 groups, those that believe that peaceful coexistence with Israel is possible, and those that do not believe that it is possible. Those who believe that peaceful coexistence is not possible will seek for all the territory, even if they believe that it is practically impossible, because anything else is untenable. Those who believe in peaceful coexistence want a fair division of territory, (details can be determined), but are unwilling to just take Israel at their terms, because peaceful coexistence requires a less then fully one-sided relationship.

We dont care. You can say what you want, terror stat of palestain will never be

They support the two state solution, no one said the second state has to be Palestine (Polish Gaza incoming).

You kow there are different sides in israel, left wing and right wing like everywhere else, the current goverment is an extremist right wing who dont want 2 states, its not speical to have that sincw its like that everyone yet you need to make one side the entire population of israel

@@erellevi4400I mean, stats and polls show most Israelis don’t support a two state solution. So if Bibi’s an extremist, most Israelis aren’t that far off

they agreed many many years ago and declare State of Israel but the islamo-terrorist star war, and until this day they don't want two states solution, the only thing they want is to erase Israel. but every time they are starting the war, loosing and crying! and for NO reason I have to pay as an eu cityzen millions euros for "help" and the terrorist use those money to make fkg rockets!

@@Twinkiepower420 the right wing does not want two states, i was saying that other then that the current goverment is extremist anyway, yes the majority is right wing yet there are left wings who support 2 states and those are the people he talks about

Its to say that the 2 state solution needs to happen, theres no agreement on where the border is.

The borders are the 1967 borders. They are internationally recognised. The Palestinian authority has been recognised as the ruling authority, though they don't control Gaza. The division of the two was a deliberate tactic by Israel so we should not reward Israel by using it as an excuse not to recognise Palestine.

@@nenasiekThat’s not possible as the majority of Palestines people are against a two state solution. If it wasn’t for that fact the current war would never of happened.

@@IcarianX The problem with the Palestinian authority is that they have no authority and they don't "rule" (set and enforce laws) so you can't negotiate a treaty with them that will count for anything. They have a "constitution" that was created by the British 100 years ago but it seems no one follows it. Also, the lack of continuity of their land and that it is mostly wholly within Israel makes things even more complex. This is all stuff that "Palestine" needs to work out and create a cohesive approach. Maybe we need a three state solution. Regarding the borders, the extreme end of both sides consider all of the land is theirs and that the other side are interlopers. Other then the six-day war and the current war, it has been mostly Palestine that has refused to accept those borders. That needs to be resolved before recognition makes sense.

@@nenasiek Yes, and the primary groups refusing to accept and respect the 1967 borders are in Palestine. Maybe the only real solution is to move toward a 3-state solution (Israel, Southern Palestine(Gaza), and Northern Palestine(West Bank)) since there does not seem to be one voice that can speak for bother portions of Palestine.

They won’t.

Taiwan's own constitution says it's a part of China but under a different government "Republic of China". Until they change their constitution no one is going to recognize "Republic of Taiwan"

Portugal, Portugal, Portugal 🇵🇹!

Didn't the PM sell spain to Catalonia Separatists to keep his job?

Viva España! 🇪🇸

@@United-Nations-Space-Command. Yeah but it paid off, support for independence has now declined massively and unionist parties won big at the last election.

​@@alexisdasiukevich5417"Support for independence has now declined massively"...😂😂😂😂 In your dreams...

Thats a interesting view, but its important to know that Pakistan and Bangladesh were vastly different countries, especially in terms of culture and beliefs so it would be applicable if the two theoretical states were that different (Which idk much about Palestiniani culture), its also important to know that if it were not for India's massive support for rebels in Bangladesh it wouldn't have been created

It's not 1:1, but you make a reasonable case. That's basically how things have operated for years too.

@@kingofhearts3185 As an Indian or Bangladeshi, I'd say the split worked out well, as a Pakistani, maybe not so much.

@@memeconsumer773 pakistan also did atrocities to bangladesh

Well Pak and bangladesh didnt work out because of cultural differences. When in comes to Gaza and the West Bank, they share a common ethnicity, language culture etc

Even that is too much

Palestine - Hamas. Ofc they are terrorists,all people know it

fFom the river to the sea was originally in the Likud party charter (From the River to the sea their will only be Israeli soverienty) and taken by Palestians for their own cry of indepence.

Israel really lashed out at Ireland by using the terrorism card, talk about tone deaf

​@@mayoite160they are right this just rewarded hamas and Ireland has a long history of supporting terrorism

Take all the Palestinians then.

Not surprising coming from the same country who sent condolences to Nazi Germany after Hitler died.

Please inform yourself. 143 out of 190 UN nations already recognise Palestine as a state, those who don’t are former British colonies like America, Canada, Israel and Australia guess why, yeah, all European settler and colonies that massacres the local ethnic population.

I don't think it would be possible ngl

spain will recognize hawai, scotland, and north ireland.

I like how you see an attack on Israel as an attack on the US and UK . AIPAC is incredible.

Cry harder. Catalonians and Basque people have the same rights as the rest of spaniards. In fact, the basque country have plenty autonomy in everything outside military (their taxes are collected by their goverment) Comparing Palestine with Catalonia and the Basque Country is like comparing the moon and the sun.

most of europe doesnt. and thats what the west cares about.

It does matter in the long term

Well the last thing agreed on, and not taken by force, was UN resolution 181... so that sounds like a reasonable point to start. Of cause I can't speak for the people living there.

If a Palestinian state existed years ago the 7 October won't happen because Hamas won't be able to take controlle over Gaza strip

1967 borders

The Palestinian Authority would govern it. The borders (by international law) would be the 1967 borders of the West Bank, Gaza, and East Jerusalem, but of course changes might occur during negotiations. And of course, the last question is the trickiest one for everybody, and there will have to be an enormous amount of truth and reconciliation to ensure that neither side is taken over by absolutists like Hamas or Netanyahu. It's a long path, but the path of a thousand miles starts with a step. Hopefully this helps

"who governs the state?" PLO "Who decides the borders?" The Oslo accords. "And how can we ensure they don't do another October 7th?" How can you ensure Pakistan won't attack India? there is no 1000% way to do it, that doesn't mean neither Pakistan not India should be treated as any less than as of state. As a matter of fact, Palestine becoming a state would result in it having less reasons to attack Israel. It would make Israel safer.

Spanish government doesn't bomb Barcelona. Moreover Barcelona in Spain is the second most important city in the country. That's gigantic difference.

@@lookash3048 The current Spanish state is the direct successor of Francoist Spain, who certainly did bomb and suppress any and all independence movements. They have definitely bombed Barcelona before. The suppression of the Catalunyan independence movement and jailing the movement's leaders, while supporting an independence movement of a people on the other side of the Med that do not want to be part of Israel and have their own culture/language/identity, is peak cognitive dissonance and highly hypocritical.

@@michaelk4896 The Catalan indepndece parties are litteral are minority in Catalonia know

@@michaelk4896 false equivalence

​@@michaelk4896Palestinians don't want independence from Israel, they are -in fact- independent, they want to stop colonisation and genocide.

4 million people fighting for their land are what now?

@@noone2262 a lost cause.

@@davidpowelson4817 so they should just accept getting kicked out of their homes?

Weird how they don’t recognize both since they have shown that they like to support terrorists

Palestine as a nation of independent and unique mix of people existed for centuries before Britain arrived and invented Israel. Kosovo as a independent state was formed due to paranoia and distrust between ethnicities and the hubris of nationalistic fervor. Catalonia is a richer than average province of Spain. Essentially, Rich snobs not wanting to pay their fair share to the country. Arguing instead a difference in dialect constitutes them as whole different nation.

​@@ivannaharmoni Please don't reinvent history.

​@@ivannaharmoni I'm almost impressed how much you twisted all 3 of those to be so divorced from the truth. You have a future in politics.

​@@ivannaharmoni Israel has historically existed for far longer than this idea of fake nation "palestine".

literally noone cares about catalonia lol. even other EU country doesnt support the separation.

You know that you can use that logic with every country with separate movements.

seethe.

@@ayouberriouch5973 yeah? When did poland crush an independence referendum in recent history?

@@sidritkercyku6661 i said every country with a separate movement. Not just a random country . And the situation in catalonia isn't the same as Palestine . People in Spain aren't going to Catalonia to kick people out of their home and murder their children

Probably, yes What makes it complicated is that the two seperated parts of Palestine are ruled by two different organizations as well. The West-Bank is not under Hamas control. I expect that embassies would be opened there, rather than in Gaza

What?

Anytime Palestinian Statehood is talked about, it is either in reference to the Palestinian Authority led by Fatah (Who don't like Hamas) or a future Palestinian governmental organization, so I doubt it. The Palestinian Authority has no "military" as they officially declared that there would be no more militias in July 2007. The militias who agreed were absorbed into the police force and those who didn't denounced Fatah and continue militia activities in the event of IDF raids in the West Bank. Hamas is in a similar position to Taliban Afghanistan in how no one recognizes them as the official government but works with them as they do govern Gaza.

The bigger immediate issue would be that, by recognizing Palestinian statehood, they are implicitly endorsing Palestinian territorial claims and rewarding terrorism. After all, a state must have defined borders, and "Palestine" claims virtually all Israeli land. Though I suppose Israel could respond by officially recognizing Catalonian statehood in the case of Spain.

Jenin, Nablus, and Tulkarm have been under Hamas military control since about a year. ​@@Ramschat

Catalonia moved on from independence... tldr eu made a video on how PSC (Catalan branch of PSOE, a unionist leftist party) won the election in Catalunya (you can go and see it).... but not only that, the different independentist parties have lost the majority of the parliament for the first time in decades... so, not even Catalans wants independence anymore 🤭🤭🤭

Sorry man housing prices are insane

@@spacemarine3482 I bet you could beat up Will Smith. He has a nice house.

Yep a 2 state solution was given in 1948, but now they want more.

Jordians and Palestians aren't the same

​@@spacemarine3482 I did't say they are exactly the same, but they were very close to begin with, and since the split of British mandate many arabs from Israel moved to Jordan. I read some figures, and like 40% of Jordan's current population are immigrants or their descendants.

@@svetochmira9994 Ya their 40% Palestinian because they were ethnically cleansed by Israel in 1948 and went to Jordan for refugee

@@spacemarine3482 well, ethnic cleansing part is mostly not true, 2million arabs live in Israel today, and their demographic looks solid.

Catalonia and the Basque country are by far the most pro-palestine regions of Spain

Spain is not bombing either Euskadi or Catalonia. In fact they are quite privileged regions, which have a great autonomy In addition, most of the population of these regions doesn't want the independence. (In the last elections, the independence parties of Catalonia obtained their worst results since the 80s) On the other hand, both Euskadi and Catalonia also support the Palestinians, so Israel would gain nothing.

​@@InvictusSolDeus I think you should join a Spanish brigade to help Palestinians fight for their independence. Maybe peace keeping troops?

@@richdobbs6595 Go join the IDF

Quite. These countries all love to condemn Israel - but none of them are going to do the wet work and take the losses of dealing with ham as.

Because the UN has been compartmentalized and compromised... The UN we know is no more. They even mourned the Iranian Pres. death.... shameless organization Hypocritically taking sides just for "ratings".

They do not usually recognize Hamas as a legitimate authority in palestinian statehood. In their view, Gaza should be controlled by the only recognized government, the PA.

Well said. It’s because the Arab lobby is rich and powerful. That’s why the UN has done almost nothing to stop such hypocrisy. It’s sick how it’s OK to call for the destruction of another country if that intended country is Israel; people say such things to Israel without batting an eye, but do that with Palestine and everybody loses their minds.

what does?

​@@rizkyadiyanto7922 Ideally multinational state with equal power distribution between Muslim and Jewish populations. Though that's not happening anytime soon.

Never worked because it’s never actually been attempted.

@@sunjarty8521 Ya, that the last thing Israel wants, considering it wouldn't be a fascist ethnostate anymore

Pressure from Israel; specifically Israel uses the right to use vast amounts of money to lobby politicians in the democratic system using the free money the American govt provides to influence foreign policy on the Middle East throughout Western countries like the United States, Canada, United Kingdom, Germany and high ranking officials in the European Union.

Something happened on 7th October that won them over.

Because they had common sense then. Not anymore

Because they fell to the woke mob

​@@bennygoodmanisgodnah common sence returned to them

They should! Add in Basque.

Catalonia is pro-Palestine lmao

Well the Catalonian regional government has been supportive of Palestinians in recent years.

That would effectively sever relations with Spain. But why not do it for the meme?

Nah, that will be counterproductive. If israel recognize those two, it will make it clear that Palestine is fact have same basis to gain independent. Which is not their goal. We all know that Netanyahu and his cabinet goal will always be their so called "Greater Israel". The evidence is clear, they openly saying that over the years.

Both Euskadi and Catalonia support the Palestinians

Israel has no right to retaliate against anyone.

@@InvictusSolDeus Alliances change. Until the Suez crisis, Israel was supported (and armed) by the Eastern European countries, and the Arabs by the Western ones. Then comes: The enemy of my enemy.....

You have to understand that hamas will always exist if other countries don't support Palestinian statehood. Hamas know that they wouldn't have international support so their own slogan is " look no one is gonna support you except us" but if the western countries support Palestinian state and fatah as their government then hamas will lose support and collapse.

@@ayouberriouch5973 Genuinely interesting point. I can understand that some sort of aggressive party will be present in the absence of statehood, but they need not necessarily be voted into power. There were other parties available in Jan 2006 elections which could have won. I am very sceptical that a group as bad as Hamas would necessarily fill that space. Even in the context of statelessness, Hamas outdoes itself.

@@jamesbruce4927 i understand your point but you forgetting that hamas leaders are all orphans that lost their parents to Israel. They know that peacefully isreal will never give them a state . And When all hope is lost people will choose their only option to fight. If Israel gives Palestinians another option and chooses to give them another option without fighting. Hamas will lose its support and collapse .

Okayyyy... Next next week's news: Catalonia and Basque country recognises Palestine (Yeah, that's the sentiment of catalan and basque peoples, inside or outside Spain, the majority are with Palestine)

Otherwise it will be an example of a state getting away from murdering thoudsand of innocent civilians? Just using the same arguments your using.