Why Omni-Man VS Superman Isn't Fair 

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Hey thx for doing superman video been waiting for this for long time

I agree chuck remember some people don't do their research and just assume

@OmoshiSage debunk this guy bro please 🙏

Have you thought about powerscaling the SCP canons or MTFs?

And he is also no stranger to people who have lived, fought and trained as a warrior for more than a thousand years ( canonically defeating marvel’s Thor and I think darkseid?).

@@basimali619 right.

"Me am Biazzaro"

Bad writers in the 60's be like: "Hmm, how do I make a Superman story? Hmm... What if we take Superman... And... Make him an evil twin!"

@@Klongu_Da_Bongu yeah, I know this isn’t in the 60’s but wasn’t there one evil super man that Superman fought and they punched each other so hard that it switched universes?

Ha, he’s done that in several universes already

Not even the core, just its corona. They fight in the corona and on the surface and it almost kills both. Superman's durability is basically infinite.

THIS

Depends on the Superman though. Allstar Superman got lethal radiation cancer from too much exposure to the sun.

Take a nap? Why, it would be a revitalizing spa day! He would come out better than ever.

On God..they hate him and want their favs to beat him lol

It's one of the reasons I don't like Superman. His OPness loses its fun when he's just as OP as higher tiers & is in the main story unlike those that are used sparingly. That said, I won't let my bias change the outcome where Superman would win, like against Goku.

me I just don't like an idea that every remake or a story that's not cannon. keep giving a character even more power with every next story or remake. like pick a power scale and stick with it. like how people with "what if goku" fan stories they would give him mixer of powers or hacks as in "born with god ki". but on top of that keep repeating the same damn events from cannon story. no real creativity as in add a new character or add other universes that can rival others or just give him an actual new form. than you also have superman every new story or remake he just keeps getting more and more power and a few of him are just broken. as if they show how powerful animal, cartoon and game characters are getting. so they give superman even more power to make sure no other character can beat him. stuff like this makes me want to stop looking them up. I don't dislike the characters. I dislike people that keep giving them more power to the point no other character can match up anymore. ruins the fun of vs fights

He is op ...just deal with it

@@rickydiscord7671 Aren't those What If Goku stories about the main timeline, but w/ different elements? I feel like that's the main point to see how different the story would be W/ what canon elements are in there. If they wanted to make an AU w/ new forms/characters/powers then it would be more of an AU than a 'proper' what-if. I do get what you're saying & want something more original, but you might want to look for more things leaning into the AU angle & not the what-if angle.

guess confidence? but yeah omni man cant win he has no magic or red sunlight or kryptonite

He had to show it for it to be valid. If someone make a well written characters that scale far above Superman and say they beat Superman easily, that's fine. But saying without showing doesn't really hold much weight.

The only way I can imagine Robert's claim being true is if he's not comparing Omniman to Comics Superman, but to Henry Cavill Superman, who is SIGNIFICANTLY weaker than comic superman in terms of feats.

​@@redace4821how do you scale above superman when he's been written hundreds of times in the most ridiculously overpowered ways half of all superman characters can only be beat by Jesus and even then it's a stretch, such a lame hero

@@lethalexponent6 Magic, that's how. Just from DC alone there's plenty of magic people who are more powerful than Superman. Also, Superman highest bar is relatively mid level compared to all of fiction.

Trust and believe me there are not that many people who believe that there is this one guy out there who’s like an invincible fan boy who thinks that Viltrumites can be just as tough if not tougher than kryptonian‘s

Fr?

sry idk who this ' sephiroth ' is. Could u pls explain?

Why don't you just say you want Omni-man to win against Superman? The internet can universally agree about Superman destroying Omni-Crap because they have something called COMMON SENSE.

@@julesampo1607 he’s a character from Final Fantasy

You coulda broadened that to "if the entire invincible universe jumped superman at the same time they'd all die before anyone could do anything"

They'd lose the fight even worse if the entire squad killed Lois and Batman before the fight

They MIGHT be enough of a threat to get his attention.

Atom eve could do it if she is a god an has can make food form nothing

@@Scarrs9064wake up to reality goofy she ain't doing shit

Fr, i mean viltrumites arent a bad race but, they arent tht strong either

@@whyjustwhy1911 I do think end of series Mark is getting up there, but no where near the main series versions or their most powerful versions.

I might be wrong for this but i think his maybe trolling by using Stan Lee quote about writer decide who's going to win. So his writer of invincible maybe that's why his doing this?

Kirkman only said that as a joke. He even said he just wanted to start some controversy. Blame the fans who took that out of context.

@@michaelgarcia5680 I'm not talking about the joke but his other antics like trying to keep royalties from other creators of the walking dead and invincible

Tbf,most people unironically think that Goku hates his family just cause of TFS

That's a weird comparison. Toriyama created and wrote Goku and his family. Kirkman has nothing to do with Superman whatsoever.

No what you are describing is having your own headcanon. The story ain't on the public domain so until then whatever the author says goes its their story not yours. You only have the power to stop watching

Not anymore

@@sosa8549 theres toyotaro

yes true

An infant homelander at that

Nah it would be even worse

The only case I woumd argue against death of the author is if they were talking about 2 characters they created. Gor example if kirkman said end of invincible mark could take on all the other vimtrumites combined, I'll take his word. But he isn't the author of superman, so as far as superman is concerned, his takes are as valid as any random dude's take. If he really wanted omni man to be stronger than superman then he should've written it into the story

Kirkman's statements now are one of the BEST examples of death of the author and I'm actually pretty glad.

@@docomega7862 Agreed

@@raDIO6931 Agreed

​@@docomega7862 even then it's debatable. Because the point of death of the Author is to let the Story you wrote speak for itself. The best example i can think of is J.K Rowling pre trans controversy. Where she would randomly say something like "Hermione is black" and people would call BS because why didn't you specify that in the Story instead of a decade later

Now im not saying superman loses, because he does win. But nolan did resist a blackhole despite the fact he was trying to commit suicide

@@LucasRodriguez-xq1yo yeah but wasn’t he not near the event horizon just in the secretion disk? I’m asking

@@LucasRodriguez-xq1yo And Superman held a black hole in his hand

@@LucasRodriguez-xq1yoSuperman held a black hole in the palm of his hands

thragg ,who is the strongest viltrumite couldn't survive the surface of the sun . Any version of superman does it like a regular sunbath.

As a somewhat DS fan man I cracked by your comparison😂

If you want to high-ball comic Homelander he probably could beat or at least challenge early Mark, who was dealing with street level goons.

holy run on sentence

He cant lift a plane​@@projekttaku1

Ooor maybe it’s obviously a joke?!??

Not DCEU or Animated Superman

Ok now thats cap, most but not all

Superman is still better though

​@@Spectre2798 he would get destroyed by dcey superman dude bench a tectonic plate which weigh terra tons Nolan Havent even done anything of that

​@@Naterex"near" every version

That super powerful warrior alien race who melts if they are a tad bit too close to the Sun are on the exact same level as another super powerful alien race that not only gets their powers from the Sun but can also live in it indefinitely. Viltrumites are toooooootally on Kryptonians level, Change my MiNd.

​@@thanos1335 no the hell there not who.told you that Kryptonian gets strong as long there are under a sun while viltumites doesn't

@@Humble421 I pray to God you're being sarcastic cuz I know for a fact that you did not comment this without reading ANY Superman or Invincible comic book EVER. Everybody and their great ancestors know that All Kryptonians get their powers from the Sun and the longer they're exposed to it, the more powerful they get. Ever heard of Superman Prime 1million? Superman out-lived all his friends, family and loved ones and protected the Earth until everything was fine and felt he had no purpose anymore and flew around the whole universe to try n find people to help. He didn't find anything so he flew all the way back to Earth (which was still fine) and was very tired so he flew into the Core of the Sun and took a nap for 15,000 years and then woke up a GOD. He unlocked the ability to give other people super powers and flew back to Earth and essentially turned normal people into the new version of the Justice League and left to do some interdimensional traveling. In the Invincible comics, Invincible fought Thragg for the survival of others and knew all Viltrumites are weakened by super intense heat so he fought against Thragg on the Surface of the Sun for a long time and over time they both started to burn themselves alive but Mark just barely killed Thragg and nearly died too but got saved and recovered in a few months. Viltrumites are born mad naturally strong and powerful with a bunch of abilities but that's it. Kryptonians are born powerful too but need the Sun to unlock all their powers and once they do, they're pretty much unstoppable and the longer they are under/near the Sun, the more powerful they become. That's why whenever Superman gets really hurt in a fight, he flies to the Sun for a few seconds to heal.

@@thanos1335 trust I'm not I pray to God you is because we all know omni man can't do shit to Superman and by that name tells you don't know shit was superman is actually capable read the comics then come back

@@Humble421 I literally just explained that Kryptonians are more powerful than Viltrumites and how Kryptonians biggest buff that gives them their powers, is one of Viltrumites biggest weaknesses. Kryptonians are born with super OP abilities that get unlocked under a yellow Sun and get more powerful the longer they're exposed to a yellow Sun. Viltrumites only have a few abilities and are very powerful but that's it. Viltrumites cant compete with Kryptonians and people keep trying to Scale Omni-Man to the same level as Superman when we all know that's impossible. Superman 1 shots the Invincible verse.

Just like Thraggs kids vs Mark

@@Darbzila facts

Comic superman slams easily💀

@@Darbzilahow would a fight between the man of steel and thragg go anyways?

​@@BrianGriffinWThe same way it would go if he fought the rest of the verse

Superman claps all easily

​@@extrakt1559 agreed

Wat?! Who said that?!

he does though

@@extrakt1559 facts. Superman goes crazy

Except Superman loses quite a bit. Doomsday, Mr. Infinity, The Spectre, Darkseid, and Mongul have all defeated him at some point.

@@burgerking8475 Any L very recently as of now?

@@UnwantedGhost1-anz25 Does Batman vs Superman count?

​@@burgerking8475 and beat of all them too darkseid and doomaday

@@UnwantedGhost1-anz25 not sure. Current comics suck tbh so I don’t read them

When you're fighting a guy that has a move called the retcon punch you throw in the towel it's not worth it

@@darthchungus9964💀💀

Honestly if done right a SuperBoy Prime could be a very fun character in a movie in today’s age. Basically think of a self aware character who at this point sees the issues in modern superheroes and their movies ether being to edgy or too deconstructive while at the same time still being a villain but fun enough to watch for the viewers.

​@@williamfrank962 If he has the goofy silver age powers (Cuz he wasn't retconned) then that might be a plus. Imagine the Mini-superman lol

He’s a savage

Since all of this is fictional couldn't he easily fabricate the proof you're asking for? Like inventing a thing that boosts his characters powers like the sun does for Superman? Any fictional being could beat any other fictional being, just depends on the writer and what story they want to tell.

@@bobotheclown88 No, He couldn't. He didn't create Superman, Invincible & Superman have never crossed over, he is heavily biased & he doesn't know enough about Superman's feats, abilities, & scaling to make that call. & Since he'll never be bothered to do the research you might as well ask Zoe Deschannel, or your cousin who wins. Their answers are almost as valid.

This

Robert is a troll. Which is fine by me but the man is also very shady in his business deals. Also I don’t enjoy someone who clearly takes inspiration from an iconic character down to their looks and then says said character is boring and their new one is so much better. I mean hell even though he’s an edgelord the writer of the boys still likes superman I think and respect him I believe. Also in Robert Kirkman’s own words “he’ll never make something as glorious as Rick and Morty”

@@williamfrank962 cry about it

@@NostalgicRemedy I’m not crying about it. I said it’s perfectly fine with Kirkman doing what he does (Trolling) but at the same time it doesn’t change the fact it comes off as childish and rather petty for an author who works in the industry to do so. It’s the same thing when George R.R Martin disses Harry Potter or Lord of the rings. It’s a common level of respect to your competition and those that came before you. Tolkien hated dune but it was only found out afterwards in his private letters because he told C.S Lewis or someone else that it was disrespectful or childish for another author to badmouth something and even than they are just insulting their competition not giving out actual criticism.

I'm glad that I'm not the only one who thinks that about Kirkman

probaly comparing omni man to dceu superman. both are around planetary

​@@rexyjp1237probably

​@@rexyjp1237based on speed alone he'd already lose

People tend to associated DC and Marvel characters with their MUCH weaker versions usually displayed in live action or animated shows/movies. Their power in the comics is lesser known to the general audience in comparison.

Maybe because they look like each and have similar powers. That’s also why people pit Omni Man against Homelander despite the fact it’s not even a close fight

Norse demons and a Norse god (post crisis fought marvel’s Thor and beat him canonically, marvel’s Thor has been shown to be comparable to marvel’s Hercules in skill)

1000 years in Valhalla fighting alongside Wondy, DC Thor and the Asgardian army. Thor was badly wounded and on his deathbed, bequeathed Mjolnir to Kal, not Wonder Woman, which was a surprise. Kal led the Asgardian army for over 400 years after Thor's death and got the final victory that saw the Asgardian gods restored and Supes and Wondy got sent back to mere seconds after they left, so they still had that 1,000 years of experience and kept it to themselves until Wondy accidentally let it slip to Lois.

@@Falcun21 can you tell me the name of the comic and whether I could find it anywhere, even some images on Google? Thanks in advance

​@@basimali619just type superman and wonder woman in asgard

To be fair that was after Batman lined up like a million suns to amp him up

​@@hiddenjello61to be fair, The World Forger admitted that if he fought Superman in a straight up fight, he would lose to Superman (that's why he had Batman to move those Suns away from him).

Homelander is stronger than both of that fodders

​@@cordites you got be smoking on some weed homelander is weak as hell his feats doesn't even compare to Superman in live action

A decent Daxamite can kill a number of Viltrumites

​@@corditeswatch deadbattle buddy,they do facts for facts

​@@corditestake your meds bro. Flat. Out . wrong. Hahahahaahha

What about Saitama?

Currently, Superman would obliterate Saitama but the manga ain't over so that might change in the future but seems unlikely​@@iphone5s659

Saitama is ass@@iphone5s659

​@@iphone5s659, by shown feats, he would get clapped. By his supposed upper-limit (or lack-there-of) , it would be significantly closer.

​​@@ADAJ342If we're going off of the way they say Saitamas Powers worked in the Garo fight, not only does he not have an upper limit he seems to get not just stronger than, but significantly stronger than anything he fights so that he always maintains an oppressive strength compared to them. This combined with him having no diffed a gamma ray burst (which I believe is the strongest type of either explosion or supernova in the universe) with minimal effort, this fight would probably just end with infinite combat as both sides of this equation are the definition of " Naw, I'd Win". (unless Superman hit him with an attack that he would not be able to survive at the very start of the fight giving him no time to adapt and grow, but that would mean essentially tossing out a punch that could rip a hole in space off-rip)

One could make an argument of a universal lifting omni man against supreme, but that still does not cut it, even for new 52 superman I believe, but I think the crossover is not canon.

What local motive does he have?

Is he more powerful than a global motive though? What about an international motive?

@@Klongu_Da_Bongu He's probably more powerful than a solar motive.

He'd turn Zack Snyder Superman inside-out as well.

"Why you shouldn't try fighting superman! 🎅🎅🎅🦀💵"

Unless ur batman

@@iphone5s659🤨 don’t do that

@@iphone5s659I mean…. When you got his plot armour.

Godzilla beat him in a comic, though I attribute this to contract plot armor giving godzilla the win.

The funny thing is that people were even saying that Snyder's superman was too overpowered and it's true even the dceu superman would still wreck Nolan

Kirkman should have said JL/JLU/Superman: The Animated Series Superman or even Fleischer Superman, because every other well known Superman would wreck Nolan. Even DCEU Superman was a casual moon buster. ZSnyder said that Krypton's moon was shattered by original Doomsday and that Steppenwolf encountered and fought Doomsday to a draw. Supes wrecked Steppenwolf without effort so moon busting would be nothing to him. The guy fought against Krypton's gravity while breathing Kryptonian atmosphere and came out victorious.

He probably was referring to a more specific incarnation of Superman. Superman is such a contrived and overly-written character, he is too abstract to compare to a character like Omni Man. It’s too cringe how Superman nerds are taking this so seriously. Superman has lost fights to weaker villains like Metallo but then has ridiculous feats that will sound like “punching a hole in the fabric of the universe” or “flew so fast he broke time” or becoming some kind of godlike entity and becoming X powerful etc. It isn’t even fair comparison to make such a comparison because Omni Man has no such source material. Superman is a completely bullshit character. Which is why he has been rewritten so many times. The same can be said about nearly every popular Marvel and DC character. Doctor Strange also springs to mind here

​@@hmm7829 you just mad cuz your Viltrumite loses

DCEU Superman still wins

i am so fricking tired of people not taking in the context, HE SAID IT AS A GODDAMN JOKE!

@@VEGA_173 Yeah but its like the "joke" that the apocalypse would be over in like 2 years if everyone killed that many zombies etc...its still true haha He is always tongue in cheek like that out there bro, come on. at the very least you have to say he has left it open by just being all jokey about it lol we are allowed to look into it more. calm down.

I second that dimensional tiering confuses me

I think the coughing baby vs hydrogen bomb is closer because you can at least argue it’s a draw or a win for the baby. A draw if you say it’s just the bomb itself so it can’t activate without outside influence. A win for the baby if it’s a death battle in which case the baby just wins by default lol

Dimensional tiering is actually pretty simple. An infinite amount of 1 dimensional space makes up 2 dimensional space, an infinite amount of 2 dimensional space makes up 3 dimensions space, and an infinite amount of 3 dimensional space makes up 4 dimensional space. So, if someone is infinitely 3 dimensionally powerful, they will still be dwarfed by a powerful 4th dimensional being, and a 4th dimensional being is dwarfed by a 5th, and a 5th by a 6th. So the higher dimensions you are compared to the opponent, the more infinitely powerful you are compared to them

@@warsown4935 where does time fit into this I've seen people argue bending time is fourth dimensional although I'm not sure if it's true For example Goku moving in Hits time skip possibly making him fourth dimensional?

@@user-dm8wg6ws5w well, the dimensions I’m talking about is spatial dimensions. Time is consider a temporal dimension. (Also, Goku more ignored Hits hax due to his power level being higher. It doesn’t have anything to do with dimensional tiering, just resistances to hax if he’s more powerful than his opponent)

I hope he does give him insane stuff in the show or upscales him in someway.

But we talking about this superman and he ain't beating new 52 or anything version of superman simply because they are too overpowered

The only Superman Omni man can beat would be 1933 Superman.

​@@bon-a-petite9224I'm pretty sure there are way more versions Omni Man could beat

@@Solotociuslike which ones ? Last time I checked post 1933 Superman every single one after are definitely planet + if not universal to multiverse+ , so I highly doubt that not even a planet buster could do damage to the man of steel.

Lol no

Omniman struggled against Justice League knockoffs meanwhile Superman came back to life clapped the Justice League then clapped Steppenwolf Maybe against an inexperienced Superman from Man of Steel

True in that case Omniman is faster and stronger and has more experience and skill. This is bc Superman is at least ftl and continental, perhaps planetary but Omniman scales there and crosses galaxies

@@BLACKSTA361bro go research he’s best feats

@@dsm2417are you talking about live action Superman vs Omni man?

I think DCAU Superman might lose, but that's only because most characters were nerfed to make their feats more comprehensible and less ridiculous. It also made it less stupid to have Batman as a field member if other Justice League characters weren't at the level of casually obliterating star systems.

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New52 superman made phantom stranger bleed. The same version of phantom that tanked millions of infinite universes crashing through his face and body casually.

@@mel-el5862 Ok maybe I should make this pretty clear because I get this feat and him fighting pre or post crisis Superman(I don’t remember) a lot. I go off consistency with dc since without it literally everyone in the verse would be like multiversal and outer which would make zero sense narratively and powerscaling speaking. New 52 Superman is usually considered the weakest Superman which I agree with. I’ve read most of the new 52 comics and to be honest he only has those two feats going for him really. I’ve mostly seen feats for new 52 Superman being in that planetary/star level to maybe solar system? If you don’t care about consistency all that much and want to get the strongest version of new 52 Superman then yeah new 52 Superman can get to those crazy levels of power

@@jkunimage4187 consistency is not a good arguement since new52 was consistently up in power. The kryptonians around him were also delivering absurd feats. Braniacs Ship was bigger than marvels world serpeant and capable of flying through multiversal barriers. Supermans wide heat vision which was larger than multiple planets was a danger to braniacs ship. Moving war world casually and stating exploding stars was nothing to him is new52 consistently. Casually surviving exploding planets fighting Ulysses and tanking 4th dimensional energy as well as using duper flare and winning while the full might of the attack was being absorbed by someone that absorbs 4th dimensional energy casually yet super flare was too much power for him. Casually flying inside of cosmic blackholes or punching an actual cosmic black hole into existence which he did when he was infected with the doomsday virus. New52 dragging and punching doomsday around the solar system as well as ripping doomsday in half ect. New52 was consistently powerful. New52 also fought post crisis superman to a stale mate in another book. So consistency goes into his favor. Phantom stranger feats only back up new52 even more.

​@@mel-el5862but rebirth super man combined both post crisis and new 52 so they are the same guy

@@mel-el5862 I just don’t find that stuff as consistent. Like I’ve read these comics and these feats are very spread out. Like for example. New 52 fighting post crisis Superman. Yeah it’s impressive but he was gonna get knocked out by an attack that was like planet or star level from what I remember. And this was stated by the narrator on page. If I could remember the exact comic that it was from I’d give it to you. It was the hawk guy in the justice league(don’t really remember his name) or one of his people. This would also be consistent with other showings of his power. I think there’s higher metas for new 52 Superman. You could probably get him to maybe hyperversal if you really want to. but those metas don’t really appeal to me that much in consistency and time span. But to be fair literally every Superman is like that and almost any other dc character to be honest. Batman being the most infamous with his Spector feat and him sometimes hurting darkseid in the comics. You can make the argument of it being consistent but it makes huge contradictions narratively but I can understand the scaling of it despite not really agreeing with it

Does Street Fighter have any universal feats?

the idea behind it is that viltrumites get stronger with more battle experience, just like saiyans and their zenkai boost, mark immediately after getting his powers was still super weak compared to homelander, mark wont become op untill the end of the viltrumite war which is most likely season 3-4 material,

In newer comics, Bruce/Hulk is the avatar of destruction for The One Above All. Viltrumites don't hold a candle light to DC or Marvel characters. 😅

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Me too. You know as Omni Man is a playable character in MK1. That means the Mortal Kombat Characters can beat Omni Man too. And they have beaten Superman before.

That’d be cool!

AGREED

Young Justice Superboy?

Says the guy with the superman pfp, colour me surprised.

immortal damaging omni man didnt happen in the comics, that was original to the cartoon, in the comics omni man didnt ever break a sweat untill he actually fought other viltrumites. also there is no way flash or batman could actually beat omniman without the rest of the league.

Lmao nope

Imagine If Superman Used Theta State Like He Did Against Goku But This Time Against Omni Man??

For the record, I think Superman is so obscenely powerful that it negatively affects the storytelling. Omni-Man's power level makes for more compelling narative.

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current superman being literally inmune to :

Thank you so much!

Yeah, that version of kal el is not only more powerful but also more expirienced.

Thanks!