Why Kratos VS Doomslayer Isn't Close 

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There's only one way an encounter between Kratos and Doomguy would go: Doomguy: "..." Kratos: "Hmm." *And they lived hapily ever after.*

Both are clearly only Wall level since they can’t seem to open any door with their fists outside of cutscenes.

It's fun to consider that out of these two ultraviolent, action based god killers, there's very few situations I can picture where they would actually want or need to fight eachother. I can almost picture a silent feud between them where they bro out but always have an underlying underspoken competition of "See me do this feat? Really think you could actually beat me?"

Another thing to give to the Slayer is that canonically, he has unlimited power. It is said in one of the in game lore (I forget which one) that he would always have the power to surpass his foe. This doesn’t mean that he is the strongest in the universe but that his power will automatically scale out of sheer will to surpass anything. He is literally to angry to be beaten.

Apparently in the lore Doom guy only uses weapons to give his opponents a chance and his bare fists are powerful enough to take down literal gods.

As Max0r stated: "The game is aware of how strong you are to the point that the only credible threat is your identical twin with red eyes in a gundam"

We all know Luigi would wipe thw floor with these guys

Another thing you missed is that the Slayers skin is only penetrable by another primeval (a primeval from the DOOM universe not just any primeval) In existence we have only ever known of 2 primevals existing. The Doomslayer and Davoth. That’s why the slayer wears his armor, and also gadgets and tech and vega. But with the only other primeval we know of, being dead, doomslayers skin is now sealed to be IMPENETRABLE

Just think about this When doomslayer fought the creator of everything (the dark lord) The dark lord took the form of the strongest being in creation to help him win the fight, the form he chose was the form of the doomslayer Therefore the god of gods took the form of the slayer to try beating the slayer

One thing worth noting that you missed was that it was stated that simply being in Hell constantly drains the soul. So that means that doomguy resisted a constant soul drain for eons, so that means the claws of hades wouldn’t work

Actually Kratos is canonically stronger than his Greek self as Greek gods get more powerful as they age, the only reason he seems underpowered in the Norse trilogy is because he holds back to “keep his cool” so he didn’t become the monster he was in the Greek saga. He’s still got almost no chance against the slayer, but he is stronger than most realize

Finally someone who knows the DOOM Lore and understands how crazy fcking strong the Slayer is. The things he have accomplished is not comperable to any other characters.

Older Kratos is stated to be physically stronger than his younger self. All Greek gods get stronger with age.

I wonder how the crucible would affect Kratos, given It could permanently put down even the strongest of demons.

they're both too angry to die, I call it a stalemate.

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Man to think this guy was put up against Master Chief back in the day. Honestly according to the lore The Slayer could probably take trillions of Chiefs.

I like it that before the DLCs it was widely accepted that Kratos would win pretty easily but then the Ancient Gods dropped and it turned out even the creator of several dimensions wouldn't try to fight the slayer in a fair 1v1 battle.

Both are immortal berserkers, who slay all varieties of gods, demons, and monsters. They would be friends

Awesome video. One of the better videos on this topic.

Personally I've always been of the opinion that Kratos has better strength feats (moving the 1.700.000 ton bridge, lifting the Tyr's temple and being strong enough to not allow Atlas to crush him etc.) while Doomslayer has better durability feats (eating argent plasma attacks hotter than the surface of sun, surviving 229 megaton Vega Core explosion, launching himself out of Ion Catapult into a building unaffected etc. But after the implications of Doom's second DLC where Doomguy casually kills the creator of EVERYTHING I'm pretty sure the Doomguy should take this.

I feel like this fight would go on forever, an unstoppable force meets an immovable object.

I hate powerscaling, but this video was pretty good... It is very well formatted and well edited.

It’s good to see your videos and about time you brought the Chad Slayer and Chad of War again

I remember first hearing that doomslayer uses weapons only to prolonged the demons suffering. Dude could box demons like it's Nothing

I honestly think that the Doomslayer is not even a character anymore, its an idea. What I mean is that is not like other characters with a set of skills and lore, but rather represents a principle of existence, the idea of wrath and anger. Other characters have a limit, and may die at some point given the right circumstances; but the Doomslayer is always there, not feeling pain, no tiredness, no fear, no struggle… just rage. And after that, is simply perpetual: every time any being in existence experiences anger, the Doomslayer lives, and that is unbeatable. I came to this conclusion after the Ancient Gods part 2, when he literally just walk up to the creator of all existence and then stabbed him in the chest without any effort. Rip and Tear until is done.

The only way I can see this fight going is them becoming somewhat allies or an eternal fight similar to Dante and Vergil’s without the brother relationship

I'd love to see this matchup on Death Battle, if I'm honest. Those guys do a whole bunch of research and whatnot as well, it would be interesting to see how it would play out based on your assessment vs theirs. Solid video though, no complaints from me :) Edit: I feel like it would still go Doomslayer's way, but I love their animations and such as well lately

Also, I should mention that the Doom Slayer does in fact have a high resistance to soul manipulation considering that the lost souls couldn't possess him and the fact he's been in Hell for eons, and somehow still has his soul. Doom Slayer may also have a higher growth rate powersise as well due to him being able to absorb the souls of whatever he kills into himself and gain more power and strength from them as implied in the game's lore and stated by Hugo Martin.

Also, the slayer fought for eons with no sleep, no food, no pee breaks, no water. He was fighting all that time without stopping for a second

If the doom slayer and kratos were to arm wrestle, it'd be a tie.

Thank you for making this video man, I love both character but yeah I do see lore Doomslayer winning due to cosmology and what the novels state. Good job.

Kratos is incredible, but the doomslayer just keeps scaling indefinitely - and at this point he truely is unstoppable, unmovable. If he has reason to fight he will win.

Biggest problem for Kratos is that doomguy is as far as we know physically indestructible and has infinite stamina. Kratos would last for a very long time but in the end wont have done anything to doomguy

I'm going to be drawing this fight out so this is going to help A LOT🤝🏼

Overall W, I love all of his vids and he’s an actual smart and good power scaler

Yes, also I’d give strength to Doomslayer because he destroyed fathers god sphere witch is basically requires the same strength to crush the multiverse.

Another thing is that Doom Slayer canonically has instant resurrection. So if he dies, he gets back up and keeps fighting until either one gives up, or one of them dies permanently

Doomguy would crush everyone, and it's not even close.

The beat at the first half of the video is insane, where i can find it???

Never forget, Doom Slayer's Super shotgun is the weapon that killed the Dark Lord too so mans really said "Nothing can transcend my bullets up your abdomen"

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I think what’s crazy is that it’s very likely that base Doomguy from Eternal could probably hold his own against a bare fist Kratos using his anger “ult”. He could probably take those punches like it was thanksgiving dinner and not even break a sweat, let alone take damage.

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DoomSlayer and Kratos are both goats but undoubtedly DoomSlayer has power and experience on his side whereas Kratos hax and hax negation would give him the edge. If I had to say who would win I’d give it to DoomSlayer as he’s a constant and Kratos was prophesied to be killed at one point.

The thing is, neither krato or doomguy can actually die because both of them posses CANNONICAL plot armour. Where do you think they'd go even if they dyed, the underworld? A place both of them can trash. They both are the embodiment of undying, angry men, that both kill gods capable of creating realms.

When the feet moving through space and time just mean exactly that that they can just move the time in space without any consequences is there anything that really says that they’re faster than time itself ?

More things to add is that The DOOM Slayer has an advantage which is that he has nothing to lose and doesn't care to change it. He focuses all determination and everything else on completing his mission and doesn't take notice of any distractions. The Khan Maykr said that she'd bring back The DOOM Slayer's bunny and maybe wife and son but he gave no interest in that and still killed her in the end while missing the chance to bring back everything he lost. Stating that if The DOOM Slayer loses everything he keeps that permanent. If his weapons and armour get destroyed, if he were to lose limbs or watch everything he loved die he'd still continue fighting and wouldn't take notice of it. Kratos on the other hand has Atreus who he needs to protect and if he dies Kratos will return to his non thinking, all rage younger mind like in GOW3. The same would probably occur if all the allies he gained in the Norse era died. The DOOM Slayer has nothing to lose which is an advantage. Kratos has multiple friends and a son to lose which is an extreme disadvantage. The DOOM Slayer would be smarter because he cannot be corrupted, brainwashed, tricked, or forced into doing something by other people or even his enemies. Being tricked is exactly how Kratos' Godly bloodlust started. He was tricked into killing his Wife and Daughter. It was unexpected but that states that if someone knows how to do it right and execute it properly they could trick Kratos into doing something he'd never even think of. The DOOM Slayer's determination, mind and soul can't be broken no matter how intense someone tries to. Kratos' determination, mind and soul can but it's extremely hard to do it and someone must have immense power to try. You could also say that The DOOM Slayer is stronger and can't really die because everything he's done was with the only one power up he got which was from The Divinity Machine. Every time he takes a power up he doesn't even need it. He takes it for fun. The DOOM Slayer might have regeneration but we don't really have proof of this. Kratos also can't really die but the 1st time he was just lucky to grab the right person who was hanging on the the way out. The 2nd time he needed motivation and power from the Titans to do it because if they didn't help him he would've permanently went to hell and Hades would own his soul. The 3rd time doesn't really count because he didn't die but he just dropped down from the top of Mount Olympus. The River of Souls was draining him of his powers, energy and soul constantly so if he stayed in for longer he would've either died or gotten out but would have no strength to use his weapons and barely any to walk. He does have regeneration but he's gotta be in Spartan Rage to use it. The DOOM Slayer needs nothing new to continue going. Kratos needs help, power ups and Titanic motivation to keep going.

This is one of the most fair and accurate VS verdicts I've ever seen. I constantly see people saying Kratos is stronger, but they often forget that Doom lore states that the Slayer doesn't need his guns and weapons to take down his enemies, and his bare hands are enough. Though, lets face it, this battle is like when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object

in my Opinion this Battle is insanely close between Kratos's weapons and hax to Doomslayer's will and sheer power, This seems like a Toss up for me it just depends on how you scale them, so overall I would maybe give it to Doomslayer but even then Kratos won't get one shot

Don't forget that Thanatos is more than just a God of Death, he's the actual CONCEPT of Death. Which when Kratos fought him, he would overcome, kill, and absorb the concept of Death itself.

It is said that the divinity machine gives the slayer power to match his will. Meaning he has as much power as he wants. If he really wants to he could just flick anything and it would just blow up

i honestly don't think either would win or lose. even if they did decide to fight, which would be unlikely knowing both characters, it would probably just be a constant fight of 2 people stronger than the bonds of the universe just kicking the shit out of each other until one of them decides to just stop. neither would die, since doom slayer can resurrect himself and Kratos was literally cursed to never die. i would love to watch the fight though

Probably one of the biggest problems I have with gaming media, is the potentially *VAST* discrepancy between gameplay and lore power levels. It gets to a point wherein gameplay and lore are straight up two different things. If you were to go purely off gameplay, Doom Slayer and Davoth would get snapped in half by Kratos if it weren’t for *”MUHHHH LORE”* turning him into a god amongst gods when the gameplay doesn’t reflect that in the slightest.

Also, fun fact, the doom slayer is immortal. He’s literally too angry to die. He can also instantly master any weapon as soon as he touches it (I think so anyway).

A person who fights gods vs a person who fights demons

Doom Slayer and Kratos fighting together would be insane

You know. I’m a big doom slayer fan. But I always thought kratos won this. Now I’m not so sure, very good video. Well done

Now I wanna see a video where someone takes all of the highest stats of them both and combines them along with all the equipment and then puts them against a gauntlet of the most powerful characters in foction

I feel like master chief would just be watching with popcorn or something😂

I don't think they could kill each other. They would be in an infinite stalemate.

"Transcending space-time doesn't make you Outerversal" THANK YOU CHUCK. This argument is so bad and i hear it all the time from people who don't have any clue of how the tiering system really works. I agree with almost everything on the video, it's really good!

There is only one phrase I can utter to convey my opinion on this matter. One phrase, three words, ten letters. *RIP AND TEAR*

if i remember, in the doom lore they explain how its praetor armor can resist to an explosion up to 3 times the electricity the whole world consume every year or something like that

I don’t think kratos has lost power since leaving Greece. He’s trying to be more measured and restrained to set a good example for his son. This is shown when he gradually becomes stronger during big fights like baldur/Thor and then goes back to normal. He is pretty much also cursed with never dying ever. I feel like it’s a stalemate.

I honestly feel that you can get Doomslayer to Outerversal depending on how you interpret the Hell statment

"The Only Thing They Fear Is You" to "The Only Thing They Fear Is You and Him"

it is like mid night and I have never been more confused then i have at the 8 minute mark

Chuck videos are always some of the best on youtube

Doomslayer getting a revamp still gives me hope for Turok!

The way you say “ … and that they can dead ass move through time” is hilarious to me.

A killer of gods and a slayer of demons walk into a bar.

You should do a video on platonic concepts because so many people don't know anything about it

Loved the video! One thing I’d like to add that you didn’t mention was one of Doomguy’s incredible durability feats. That being when he was fired out of a cannon on Phobos to the surface of Mars within the blink of an eye, landed on his knees, then got right back up and continued fighting like it was nothing. To give you an idea of how impressive that is, the distance between Phobos and Mars’ surface is 5,989Km (3,721 miles) and Doomguy made that trip in a fraction of a second. Meaning that upon landing, he was traveling at a speed of at least 7,442 mile per second, and that’s before factoring in the change of gravity on Mars. Doomguy is one tough SoB.

There’s one more godslayer; the guardian from destiny

Its also said in the lore that doom slayer is always in berserk mode and can easily kill any demon with his hands and on occasions without weapons did this for crazy amounts of time obviously for the game the weaken him so you have a more grounded experience

However the problem with hades claws is that it doesn’t work on more powerful beings, like it doesn’t work on Zeus so what makes you think it will work on the doom slayer.

You have a lot of correct information here. You only missed one and that was before Doomslayer, he was known as Doomguy that was a regular dude that wanted revenge on the demons for killing his pet rabbit fluffy. Doomguy defeated and survived hell just as a regular human being is a huge and major feat to accomplish through Doom 1, 2 and 64. Also demons can possess human body and doomslayer has huge amount of willpower to resist soul possession. When it comes to Soul like powers, that has to do with willpower to resist.

You forgot one thing. Pandoras box gives kratos "just enough" power to beat any opponent

Nice well though out video.

I agree doom guy is just him

I really appreciate your explanations, but anyway it was enough to say that, the slayer was created to be op, in the books and in the lore in general it is said that after becoming the slayer he also became invulnerable to everything and everyone, as well as always being able to win without the minimal effort by being able to kill the unkillable no matter who or what it is he always instantly destroys his enemy (it was also confirmed live on Twitch by the developers when doom eternal came out) obviously the gameplay mechanics we see in the games are an adaptation to make the game skill based and hard

i love how you protected kratos and doomguy from the menace of the wacky wahoo pizza man

Thank you chuck. You finally gave the honest truth of the winner and gave details. 👏🏻

And you gotta take into account their Mental States Kratos isn't in a good mental state because of his past, regrets, his anger and raising his son to not be a repeat of his past self But The Doomslayer uses his regrets and rage against The Demons In a nutshell Kratos Rejects his Anger The Doomslayer Embraces his Anger

I think one of Kratos greatest ability his Garou like reactive evolution and his insane growth speed via his rage. In god of war ascension he’s able to overpower the effects of the Amulet of Uroborus and in God of war 2 novel, where his threat of fate was slowly being withered away due to his growing rage, and even after the sisters of fate severed it, it barely affect him all that took place when he was a demigod and depowered God. His growth speed is also insane in the norse era, as in his first fight with Baldur he was being overpowered and ragdoll by Baldur, but after unleashing spartan rage, he completely turned the tide of the battle in his favor even after his rage mode was turned off, and proceeded to overpower and ragdoll him throughout the fight, and then “kill” Baldur in the end, and Kratos was arguably out of shape during God of war 2018

Should have ended the video after Doom Slayer's introduction lmao

If they met each other they would grunt and walk away

Completely agree I really think doomslayer is basically unbeatable

Canonically the doom slayer’s armor has resisted point blank shots from the UAC’s strongest weapons without even a scratch

Matpat once said, "The ultimate losers would be us", we aint living the fight between these two beings

I wanna mention that we don’t know how much time passed from his first foray into hell and his landing on the sentinel world. Could’ve been forever, fighting nonstop as just a man. We know he went through hell before meeting the makyrs, so he was straight up wrecking hell as a normal human

Good to see you’re back in action Chuck, hope to see more videos from you in the future. Quick question: How do you think think a fight between God of war ascension Kratos and Soul King Yhwach would go down?

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They dont fight eachother, Kratos send the ones to Hell, and Slayer has fun killing them with some fancy weapons down there.

I usually agree with your takes of something not being close, but honestly this is the first one I'm seeing that actually does seem to be pretty damn close. They both have similar rep sheets killing very similar things with very similar equipment.

Great video, I agree with the conclusion and did so even beforehand but still a huge W

I believe Doomslayer would be the ultimate victor. The fact that he could spend billions of years in Hell without his soul falling prey to the demons, despite that being a very common thing in Doom, makes it hard to believe Kratos could threaten it, and the fact that he's a constant in every multiverse implies he cannot be stopped. In theory, it COULD be an endless battle between them, but despite being extraordinary, Kratos DOES tire, he DOES fatigue from lack of sleep, and he DOES need to eat and drink. The Slayer seemingly fought continuously for immeasurable time without stopping. Even if the Slayer couldn't kill Kratos outright, I think on a long enough timeline, Kratos would eventually be worn down by the Slayer to the point of being unable to continue. And all of that ignores Atreus, which is a major vulnerability for Kratos. Atreus CAN die, even if Kratos can't, and doing that would probably break Kratos. His immediate wrath wouldn't be enough to stop the literal only constant across all timelines, and thereafter, his guilt would eventually be one more weight dragging Kratos to his knees before the Doom Slayer.

Doom slayer is the definition of Im not trapped with you. You are trapped with me.