Because all that had already been resolved in Alexandria. It was the Jews that came towards hellenism and helped reconcile Greek thought with Judaic spirituality. It's no coincidence that the Christian world grew out of the fall of Alexandria when Greek and Jew alike had to leave Egypt and espace eastward. Christianity was extended on the backs of Jews that embraced Greek thought and Greeks that embraced Judaic spirit. As is evident by the works of the early church fathers.
@Arastushukooh I mean when Augustus defeated the Ptolemic era and took over. Greeks and Jews left the city and began travelling east and staying there. Furthermore the world changed with that invasion of Alexandria. But even before that. It was Hellenized Jews that began the motions that qualified Greek thought as originally inspired by YWWH and then perversed later through paganism. Either way, it was the educated and literate Greeks of the old Ptolemaic Egypt that fostered the template for Christianity to strive. There's a reason so much of the Christian religion, including the name, spread in Greek and to Greeks very early on.
@Arastushukooh not so much the pagan Romans. The agnostic Greeks that were in search of the prime mover and found it in Christ. No aristotelian trained scholar of 50ad would have actually worshipped Zeus or thought of Zeus as a real figure. It was accepted allegory by then.
@@processrauwill7922 Actually, you'd have to go farther back to get to the Hebrew culture I'm talking about ... prior, for example, to Homer, etc. Any ideas about that?
You cannot claim that God touches all people, so the good ideas that they had were really about your God. And you forget that Reason, Rationale, Logics, Mathematics, cannot prove their own value, applicability and if "all" is within their limits. They only show that "received" information, premises, axioms, etc, has successfully passed through the gates and has a consistency with tthat method. These "answers" obviously cannot be proved to possess any great meaning beyond their own "Laws" and limited human understanding. We with our enquiring...who, what, why, where, when and how mind and limited senses. Believe that our questions have a purpose, a meaning beyond what we can currently understand. In truth we have no way of knowing if the art of questioning itself, is valid or not, in our search of this thing "we" have called the "Universe". So I have no real "faith" in what I have just said has any real meaning. But it does show that you can "question" the methods we use. And that in trying to prove our methods of enquiry, you have to use the very thing you are trying to prove, inorder to do so. So by using these Pagan techniques you are changing the word of God, with your reckoning and interpretation. And actively trying to seek out things about God that he never explicitly told you because you obviously wasn't to know. You were told that you can know of God, not know him. Pagan Philosophy will not help you, it is impossible, beyond our flawed argument and enquiry.
@@foucachon Which Philosopher ?? What is this thing "wisdom" ?? ...that you speak of. The argument that God can be realised by everyone regardless. So all works of Ontology and Ethics are really about your God. And thus can be cherry-picked for proofs of your enquiry....is ridiculous. Do you believe you own fundamental enquiry ??
@@ironbutterflyrusted Epimenides of Crete. I’m not entirely sure what you’re trying to say. Your comments are confusing at least in part due to lack of proper grammar. I understand you might be commenting in a “conversational tone” but I’m just not following.
@@foucachon The video made a claim. 1. God influences all people...believers or non-believers. 2.Ancient Pagan Greek Philosophers asked fundamental questions and created methods of enquiry. 3. The Church can cherry-pick from these works to substantiate their God. Because in truth they were really written about their God. They were influenced by him. That Is ridiculous. Also... Reason, Rationale and Logics are all flawed human endeavours. They are incapable of proving or clarifying a God. It's quite simple.
@@ironbutterflyrusted thanks for the discussion! So you’re mostly disagreeing with the idea that “all truth is God’s truth”? Also, while not capable of “proving God,” reason and logic flow from God’s character. He created the world, and that’s why logic works. We don’t use reason to “substantiate” God but better understand Him. Math works because God created the world. “2 + 2” doesn’t prove God even if it exists because of God. Pagan philosophers can figure out and study 2 + 2 and even recognize the imprint of a creator. That’s what the Apostle Paul was getting at when he preached to the Athenians who had an idol to an “unknown God.” They saw the design, but did not know the Designer. Paul told them who it was: Jesus of Nazareth.
I challenge that any of the Greek philosophers were actually pagan. Based on my readings and understanding of the ancient Greek world the concepts of the gods were accepted as allegory and early attempts at wisdom among the Greek philosophers. They simply have not come to see the Lord and had an agnostic spirituality. Had Pythagoras or Heraclitus actually believe in these physical deities a structure would have been set out on how to live in accordance to them in society. Instead Greece began a very secular structure based on laws and reason. All the while searching for something tangibly divine. And thus was found centuries later when Christ came.
@Arastushukooh well my initial statement wasn't aimed at you. However, Greek city state culture did in fact embrace many pagan elements. It simply wasn't truly believed in by the philosopher class. Unlike the Christian era Greek thinkers that absolutely proclaimed faith in a real Jesus Christ. But classical Greece was about as pagan as modern western academia is Christian.
