Why ski jumpers hold their skis in a V

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It’s more about aerodynamics than aesthetics.
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If you looked at photos of ski jumpers today and ski jumpers 50 years ago, you’d notice one big difference.
In the past, jumpers held their skis tightly underneath their body in a parallel position. Keeping the body in a straight line like this was considered elegant and appealing. But more importantly, it was the position jumpers used to gather as much distance as possible. This position made athletes thin and small, which allowed them to move forward through the air quickly. However, the parallel position didn’t do much to help them fight gravity.
In the 1980s, ski jumper Jan Boklov tested out a different ski position - one that resembled a V. He noticed that the V shape allowed him to achieve longer distances.
That’s because, unlike the parallel position, the V position allows air to hit athletes' bodies directly. Instead of cutting through the air quickly, they’re using their body to catch air like a wing. This extra air lifts athletes up, allowing them to stay airborne longer - and go further. This small change revolutionized the sport, and since then, gold medal winners have used the V style to make it to the podium.
This is the first video of 5 videos from our channel's winter sports theme week. From aerodynamics to concussions to climate change, we covered cold-weather athleticism from a bunch of angles. Watch here: bit.ly/3oESqgx
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Great diagrams on the airflow of the ski jump - usanordic.org/...
1995 paper referred to in the video: Desirable Gliding Styles and Techniques in Ski Jumping: sci-hubtw.hkvi...
Smithsonian Science Education Center - Falling with style: The science of ski jumping ssec.si.edu/st...
Chicago Tribune - Ski jumping 101: Aerodynamics key to success www.chicagotri...
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@Vox 2 года назад

One thing we didn't get to talk about in this piece is how equipment and clothing affect surface area. With suits, small changes can go a long way. One extra centimeter of slack doesn't sound like much, but when it's distributed across the body, it can have a parachute-like effect, giving skiers more airtime. On the other hand, making suits too skin-tight can cause athletes to go too fast, resulting in injuries. Besides looseness, suit material could dramatically affect how athletes cut through the air. While the V position’s changes were fairly definitive, uniform specifications are still being tinkered with year to year. The international ski federation has granular rules that define what suits can look like down to the centimeter. You can view all the specifications for competition equipment here: assets.fis-ski.com/image/upload/v1544086634/fis-prod/Specifications_for_CC_JP_NC_SB_FS_FK_Competiton_Equipment.pdf -Ed

@Viscid 2 года назад

Wing suits baby let's gooooooo

@matrixfull 2 года назад

they should add speed as component of final ranking ..that way old style may still have some reason to be used!!

@dedoha8 2 года назад

5:00 where Toni Neminen 122m result is mentioned without context, kind of misleads and may suggest that V style is that much more effective compared to 78m achieved with classic style why these jumps were made on different venue and hill size

@darrenmitchell2830 2 года назад

They could have extra cloth under the arms, so they fly like a bird!

@theouhrik1501 2 года назад

What software did you use for the animation?

@TheyCallMeNewb 2 года назад

Vox dabbles in respectable animations now. It's a real talent for one to know their way around any such software.

@s1140285 2 года назад

I know, I was just about to praise whoever had to sit there and model that skier and make it move the way it was moving lol. I thought it was a model at first it looked so real.

@desu38 2 года назад

Gotta love Blender!

@deanfordcreative 2 года назад

I saw this v-style introduced at the 1988 Winter Olympics in Calgary. He medaled. He also made the ski jump facility immediately obsolete with this technique. It’s never been used again for competition. The ski jumpers fly too far.

@martinc.720 2 года назад

That's pretty much was the video says, yeah

@redcheese1788 2 года назад

Vox: releases a new video Me 5 seconds later: omg I’m so late I gotta watch this video

@Rgsetters 2 года назад

Thought he was going to say he was the women's world record holder at the beginning.

@Grumpist1 2 года назад

Vox uses Blender?

@robertslystlildholdt8768 2 года назад

Can we just appreciate how the quality of this video skyrocketed with those animations? Great job as always Vox!

@martinc.720 2 года назад

You feel like you have to tell us that we have to appreciate what we watched? lol

@moofymoo 2 года назад

simping over vox, that's low.

@robertslystlildholdt8768 2 года назад

@@moofymoo Having the time, to comment on a positive comment, is indeed low. Very low.

@martinc.720 2 года назад

@@moofymoo Telling a creator that they are doing great is not “simping”. I know you had to use a word you have seen somewhere else, but you still have to make sense.

@terramater 2 года назад

Great video! It's quite impressive how ski jumpers zoom through the air and land at record distances. But did you know that arctic hares can also go airborne too? They bound through the snow at speeds as high as 64 km/h and are taking off like a rocket! 🐇🚀

@myselfyuvi 2 года назад

Please make a video on that TerraMatter! 😀

@terramater 2 года назад

@@myselfyuvi Great idea! Featuring all the cool animals that would win some medals at the Winter Olympics: Arctic fox: cross-country-skiing Penguin: bobsleigh Arctic hare: ski jumping Snowy owl: biathlon Seal: skeleton sled Crow: curling

@TeKaMOTO 2 года назад

4:54 The name of the Finnish guy is pronounced "Nie-mi-nen", not "Niemn".

@fridaybot 2 года назад

Dont be so french dude

@albinjohnsson2511 2 года назад

I don't get how Americans so consistently just ignore the spelling of foreign names and instead opt to shoot from the hip. It's not even that complicated of a name. Just reading it as it is spelled would get you closer to being correct than this. As for Boklöv, how difficult is it to look up how Ö is pronounced? The sound is used in English all the time. Google is a thing.

@TeKaMOTO 2 года назад

@@albinjohnsson2511 Yeah, google translate will literally pronounce the name for you and you would not think it to be so hard to just repeat exactly what it said. But then again, I've met several people who have been simply incapable of making certain sounds with their mouths. Somehow even when the same sound already exists in their native language, so go figure.

@JaniLaaksonen91 2 года назад

The pure V-shape has widened through the years and evolved into W and H styles where you also spread the back of the V. You rarely see a V where the backs of the skis overlap anymore.

@miskolinaccc 2 года назад

As a Slovene, it's always nice to see our products in popular media. Also, greetings to other ski-jumping nations in the comments, it's a relatively niche sport, but it has a pretty dedicated fanbase.

@michalslusarski 2 года назад

Greetings from Poland and congratulations on the recent success!

@Aliquis.frigus 2 года назад

Happy to see a video about this too, as a Norwegian.

@snr9077 2 года назад

Greetings from Germany! I'm a huge fan of ski jumping 😃

@Frank_Lee_Terrible 2 года назад

From Russia with love

@frankkab4632 2 года назад

Ahh, the lovely ski-jumping community. Good luck to all of your teams from Poland

@imnotyourfriendbuddy1883 2 года назад

if you french fry when you're supposed to pizza, you're gonna have a bad time.

@Levitationable 2 года назад

I've tried ski jumping once and that experience was the only thing that made me interested in how so many people out there can do it professionally.

@solotravelerinjapan9881 2 года назад

Glad to see so many video updates! It was timely, as I was just watching the normal hill ski jumping yesterday! I love Vox's animation style, and the blender? I respect you for trying new techniques!

@PushyPawn 2 года назад

@nub Just copied your comment word for word, 31 minutes after you posted yours.

@michalslusarski 2 года назад

A sport with only 15 countries listed in global rankings. Extremely popular in my country of Poland (ski jumpers are like national heroes).

@JanBabiuchHall 2 года назад

Małysz really blew it up. Ever since he started dominating the sport, literally every single person in Poland was watching every competition. Pretty sure it beat out soccer / football for popularity, which is saying something. I think since he retired the popularity dropped somewhat, but it's still a source of national pride.

@michalslusarski 2 года назад

@@JanBabiuchHall All that is true, Małysz was indeed a formidable sportsman. But it's fair to say that Stoch (4 x Olympic medalist), Kubacki and Żyła continue his legacy and the popularity of ski jumping is still very high

@Prechtl91 2 года назад

@@michalslusarski I am amazed how Malysz started a skijumping boom in Poland. I hope the polish jumpers will come back to their full power (Kubacki came in third yesterday).

@hristo5689 2 года назад

Exactly. Unfortunately seems like some countries stopped investing in the sport much. Poland and Finland have produced, in my opinion, 4 of the top 5 greatest ski jumpers of all time. Finland is one of the biggest superpowers in ski jumping, regularly winning team competitions throughout decades. That being said neither of these countries have future ahead of them. I don’t think after Stoch, Kubacki and Żyła retire there will be another talented generation (at least no signs for it so far). Even worse with Finland where long time retired, 44 year old Jane Ahonnen won the bronze medal at the national championships last month. 20-25 years ago Finns had over 5 jumpers who mattered on the international stage and nowadays they’re far away from having one.

@hristo5689 2 года назад

@@JanBabiuchHall I wouldn’t go as far to say it overtook football’s popularity at any point but it’s been for sure the second most popular sport this century and Małysz was without a doubt the nr 1 sports icon in Poland.

@spaceshuttle8332 2 года назад

Really good on Vox for getting an actual expert to speak about aerodynamics. There's lots of misconceptions about lift that get thrown around a lot but bringing an actual aerodynamicist shows the level of journalism. I applaud that

@ulwur 2 года назад

I remember the shift to v-style and how upset everyone in Sweden was that Janne Boklov got punished in the style points.

@Wokiis 2 года назад

When I lived in northern Sweden I had a school teacher that swore he knew the guy who came up with the V style and how nobody believed it to become a thing at the time. I was like "sure whatever ol' man" :D

@jimsalo2241 2 года назад

yes he is from my home town gällivare / koskuskulle,

@liefschneider3123 2 года назад

Would be great if we could eliminate unnecessary, subjective judging, from sports that have clearly defining metrics for winning. You go further, you win. Let the athletes experiment with what they want to get the best results.

@skaldlouiscyphre2453 2 года назад

I'd love to see drifting in the Olympics, just to see the judging controversies.

@Ronakvevo 2 года назад

Nordic combined skiing uses ski jumping distances as a way to determine their cross country race start positions.

@Aliquis.frigus 2 года назад

I get your point, but it is likely to increase accident frequency, as skiers will try to stretch that little bit further, instead of focusing on a safer landing at a slightly shorter distance.

@YuliaLinderoth 2 года назад

There have also been trouble with contestants eating too little to weigh as little as possible, which is detrimental to the sport.

@HallieDad 2 года назад

The Delta (reverse V) style actually predates the V technique. Here's Delta pioneer Steve Collins (CAN) as a teenager in 1980 setting Lahti (FIN) hill record that stood for 12 years.

@ronik24 2 года назад

I guess among other things it is probably not preferrable as I could imagine getting in and out of it for jump and landing could be trickier than the V. Especially the landing is a quite dangerous moment, getting your skis across in front of you can lead to grave injuries. While with the V you basically just have to put your legs together, a more natural and quicker motion.

@matthewschultz7713 2 года назад

It's not "delta" it's PIZZA!!!

@ralphneelands3990 2 года назад

Yeah, the whole time I was watching the video, I was wondering when they would talk about Steve Collins from Thunder Bay! Truly unique.

@deepstashteam8915 2 года назад

TLDR: They switched from parallel skis to a V shape to generate more lift and land farther. Now go watch the video and enjoy those smooooth animations...

@AaronShenghao 2 года назад

The last question regarding revered V: I imagine it will be similar to swept wings, forward swept wings have a slower stalling speed (meaning speed lower than that wings no longer generate lift) while being less stable. Backward swept wings (revered v) are more stable comparatively, they have a lower frontal drag but also stalls earlier than straight or forward swept wings.

@gabb05 2 года назад

true, which is why her suggestion makes sense...i relate it to like a delta-shaped wing, if the athletes are able to do that triangle starting at the front of their bodies...

@Prophes0r 2 года назад

Unlikely. It's purely due to the increase in lifting area. If they actually functioned enough like delta wings the position would be unusable because that configuration is pretty unstable, and they don't actually have THAT much control over the positioning of their skis that they would be able to balance the lift. (Remember that the ski's are hinged, and are controlled exclusively with the ankles.)

@temujinsharavdorj1561 2 года назад

Vox really outdid themselves in terms of cinematic graphics to show simulation of the different ski positions

@HallieDad 2 года назад

Hey! That's my dad at 0:56, Philip Dunham (AKA the Flying Dentist) at what looks to me like his home hill (Brattleboro's Harris Hill). He was US Veterans (Masters 35+) Champion in 1961. Where did you find the picture?

@xmods4Reel 2 года назад

Great Blender animations!

@PHlophe 2 года назад

Vray for the render

@maciek5608 2 года назад

I used to officiate at waterskiing competitions, and the common lore in WS world is that the V style has always been used in waterski jumping, and winter jumpers just borrowed it.

@HoffmannGirl8 2 года назад

I just got back from competing in Women’s Ski Jumping in this Beijing Olympics and am so happy to see more people interested in ski jumping! Thank you Vox for sharing the sport I love the most!

@marekesperanto4615 7 месяцев назад

keep up Anna, we in Europe actually look up to ski jumping becoming more popular in the US, the more competition the better

@FinanceHustle 2 года назад

It's so mesmerizing to see them stick their landing flawlessly even when using this technique.

@thomy2562 2 года назад

What the expert commentator on slovenian television also said is that jumpers have their legs further and further apart in the recent years as well because it also maximises surface area between the legs

@PoisonPrince1 2 года назад

Nowadays V-shape kinda evolves into H-shape style. Skis are a bit more parallel, but also wider as in V-style.

@maixior123 2 года назад

Brak tak ikonicznej postaci dla świata skoków jak Adam Małysz jest strasznie rozczarowujące :V

@Zinitruz 2 года назад

What about the H position seen by athelets like Domen Prevc, is that any effective?

@butterbreaded_ 2 года назад

This made me remember when I was a kid. I was learning how to play roller coaster as it was popular then. The instructor told me to position my foot as a “V” shape, I wanted to see what would happen if I did the opposite. I positioned my foot as a “/\” and needless to say, I became moving backwards and ended up falling on my head. Learned a lot after that.

@sollamander2206 2 года назад

I got to watch a practice session at the ski jumping complex in Lake Placid last year. It's a pretty magical thing to watch in person.

@DominikJaniec 2 года назад

And now I know why you use "A-shape-style" in a recent image! That, it wasn't just an error, but invitation to trying new ideas :D

@Davidc31 2 года назад

You can always count on Vox for giving us facts we didn't know we wanted!

@TGXB 2 года назад

Always wondered how ski jumpers land without pulverising many bones after a 100m+ jump....

@ImMaito 2 года назад

It's more to do with them landing in a steep downhill.

@klipkultur2951 2 года назад

Some sports are simply beautiful to watch. This is one of them.

@Aliquis.frigus 2 года назад

Agree!

@muhammadsinjar2959 2 года назад

A very impressive video and great animations! Also great job by Tess, the aerodynamic professor and expert, who explained the concepts in a very clear and simplified way.

@sulavprasai 2 года назад

If you french fry when you are supposed to pizza , you're gonna have a bad time .

@kenboy127 2 года назад

I’d like to see them wear wingsuits as well.

@hi6go7 2 года назад

If you french fry when you're supposed to pizza, you're going to have a bad time

@johnbarber1824 2 года назад

Per your expert's thinking on the potential benefit of an inverted vee "snowplow" jumping style, Canadian teen phenom Stevie Collins used it with great success in late 70s early 80s.

@hillbomb808 2 года назад

yoo these 3d animations are sick love the new visuals

@sykorovabarca 2 года назад

so good! I would love to see something similar on the forces that downhill skiers face!

@gilangh1780 2 года назад

5:36 actually there's a canadian ski jumper named Steve Collins who performed that style during late 1970s until early 1980s, especially in 1980 winter olympics

@SpiritSlayer1 2 года назад

551,524 views, 12k likes, 386 comments, 10.3M subscribers. Nice!!

@brokenstudiotv 2 года назад

BLENDER

@robford4679 2 года назад

You also forgot to mention that they hold it in a "V" is because "If you french-fry when you are supposed to pizza, you are gonna have a bad time!

@TheAstronomyDude 2 года назад

That animation was awesome!

@weaselandrei2756 2 года назад

ok, now let''s put a wingsuit on those jumpers

@acidspit14 Год назад

This is a beautiful sport, unreachable for 99% of population. Only a handful of people even have the guts to jump on skis

@LeBeautiful 2 года назад

I honestly thought it was all aesthetics. Guess not!

@lolz9888 2 года назад

Most ski jumpers these days jump in H position rather than V

@AyAyron22- 2 года назад

Because if you french fry when you should’ve pizza’d, you’re gonna have a bad time.

@marcusaureliusanonymous 2 года назад

Thanks to global warming, very few cities will be able to host these games with fewer countries going for participation.

@AnonymousMC 2 года назад

Hey everyone! :D I hope you stay safe and have a nice day, God bless you!

@nean55 2 года назад

Turkish athletes Fatih Arda İpcioğlu

@cy9987 2 года назад

"The flying V?" "No, the stinky V"

@BroAnarchy 2 года назад

....... I always figured they did that leg spread to allow them to *cool* their _Dongz Off_

@hoptanglishalive4156 2 года назад

Can we please make Puppies Leaping into a Swimming Pool an official Olympic sport?

@Urba_h 7 месяцев назад

There's the classic style, the V style, the H style.... and then there's Domen Prevc..

@vedadityaved538 2 года назад

Guys let's appreciate the effort of editor .He did a great job , I wonder what software he uses

@als_pals 2 года назад

For the animations he's using Blender

@martinc.720 2 года назад

You feel like you have to tell us that we have to appreciate what we watched? Or are you here only to fish for likes, knowing that "appreicate" comments always get a ton.

@anuradhadharwadkar510 2 года назад

Very well researched

@FernieLaVernie 2 года назад

Wow y'all didn't even try with Toni Nieminen's name 🤦‍♀️

@martinc.720 2 года назад

The same way you didn't even try to make a relevant comment.

@FernieLaVernie 2 года назад

@@martinc.720 Hmm not sure how a comment on the mispronunciation of a name in the video isn't relevant... but ok! Have a wonderful day!

@temps4440 2 года назад

@@martinc.720 Mati, they literally skipped multiple letters in the name.

@sheikhmohsin57 2 года назад

I knew the answer to that question was 'aerodynamics' but for some reason still watched the video

@lordfarquar9215 2 года назад

"French fry when you pizza youre gonna have a bad time."

@JJadx 2 года назад

harder to hit by air to air missle.

@carlovinco698 2 года назад

Great animations!!!

@brianopitz7284 2 года назад

Steve Collins, Canadian ski jumper, to my recollection was the first jumper who used the "v" style. His world cup debut in 1980. Following that there was a steady transition away from the classic style as more athletes began to experiment with the different aerodynamics.

@Prechtl91 2 года назад

It is so nice to see a Vox video about my favorite sport :)

@RicardoAlmeidatm 2 года назад

Someday a dude will jump so perfectly that he will generate enough lift to enter orbit and we'll never see him again.

@Gebri3l 2 года назад

Why not go full flying squirrel and have wing suits

@rosanglura 2 года назад

"Lift is a tricky concept it's the basis of flight" I could hear the complexity in that statement 😂

@thomasfriedl3137 2 года назад

I am Austrian I knew this

@martinc.720 2 года назад

so?

@jimday666 9 месяцев назад

Can you do an episode for skydiving, please?

@GsoFlyZX 2 года назад

My bioenergetics class summed up in 5 minutes 🥲

@vasilerogojan4520 2 года назад

This channel really makes very interesting videos for a large range of subjects. Respect.

@AnonymousFreakYT 2 года назад

Just wanted to say I love the montage of the 3D edit at the end! Those animations were great!

@masterjayesh3575 2 года назад

They get *face planted* but with *style* right?

@als_pals 2 года назад

Glad to see blender getting some use!

@thedavidj1996 2 года назад

Very interesting after watching this event on Saturday afternoon.

@herschelwright4663 2 года назад

Cheddar did a similar video on ski jumping.

@Huatupbbloh 2 года назад

How about flapping the skis?

@subwayracing 2 года назад

The animation is an interesting and lovely addition to the videos

@shintyty 2 года назад

I know nothing about skii jumping but they should use those suites that opens up to have kinda like wings on them to fly further. Not sure what they are called but I’ve seen people glide with them

@AntonWongVideo 2 года назад

"Clinton Jones" credited in this video's 3D Model/textures Like, THE Clinton Jones? The pwnisher? formerly of Corridor Digital? That explains the cool modelling and animation

@stealthassasin1day291 2 года назад

Its a backwards flying V.

@adityamathur6938 2 года назад

The animation is mind blowing

@rodneycooperjr3223 2 года назад

I would be curious about them using the V-shape, but with the arms out. Seems like it would increase drag, but maybe also increase lift? 🤔

@yubinhuang2922 2 года назад

How Beijing spent billions more than the official winter Olympics budget? Why American Eileen Gu Competes for China, Beijing 2022 Olympics?

@kykifa 2 года назад

because they support Russia

@caillou450 2 года назад

Hum… that other position, the reversed V (tips together), I saw it in 1978 at the Nationals in ThunderBay, Canada, by Steve Collins. He won. I lost ;-) No sign of this on the web, yet there were many many people present to see it. We were all obviously very surprised, but amazed at the extra distance he got.

@kosmonaut4992 2 года назад

Very useful information right here👌

@bdz7329 2 года назад

The V-style was actually discovered by Miroslaw Gryf. It's sometimes called Gryf-Boklov style.

@h.huffen-puff4105 2 года назад

Neat. Thanks. Never skied because I'm a West Indian chicken but I think any winter sport takes courage and .... well, courage.👍

@matyaschoc6367 2 года назад

It is lie, Jan Bolkov is not the original autor it is Jiří Malec from Czechoslovakia. He was jumping with V and everyone tought, it was a mistake.

@juliangossen1794 2 года назад

Hello, if the person/people who edited this video should happen to read this comment, I just want to say that I felt the section from 1:58 - 2:19 could have been slowed down a little. We got introduced to a new person, and they immediately began to introduce some new concepts. That felt like a lot to take in, and I found the editing a little distracting, the cuts were pretty fast. It also felt like you were cutting between clips exactly as when information was being introduced, when I feel like giving a second or two between them would make it easier to understand (like, literally easier, as in you need to put less concentration into following this video). IMO, slow down the speed of the cuts and fade in the graphics slower. The whole section felt a little 'busy,' like you were trying to hold my attention with the visuals, when I am actually trying to pay attention to the new information. It would be more intuitive to follow if you slow down the pace of the editing/visuals during situations where new information is being introduced. Of course this is just my opinion, you have to decide for yourself whether you agree with my judgements. Overall I thought that the video was good, as I except from Vox :) This isn't a criticism, I'm not a professional video editor, just my observations.

@thatJAWNraps 2 года назад

you mean to tell me NOBODY'S tried inverting the V shape?! Its not exactly like there are a ton of ways to improve so if this style hasnt been tried/exhausted yet it doesnt make the ski jumper community look very intelligent...

@elsaskiold9220 2 года назад

You spelled Jan Boklövs last name wrong. It’s Boklöv not Boklov. And boklöv is an actual thing, it’s beech leaves. So it doesn’t make sense to spell it Boklov because it’s not a thing