For the record, jump pack got car in neutral then died. Key is not removable from neutral, shift lock requires a key or screw driver. Not accessible without me removing my foot from the brake.
Put it in gear. The fluid is enough to keep it from moving. Also a pocket screwdriver would hit the shift interlock. Still a noob for clicks and views.
@@supertoaster94 it's a CVT. It has 12+ quarts inside it but only holds 5 quarts in the pan. The fluid would be a resistance to the moving motion of the car. And the torque converter also is now trying to spin causing fluid to shear and keep the car from moving as much as it would in neutral. Drive is not neutral unless you have a 4L60E.
I'm not sure how any of this is relevant to what happened to Anton Yelchin. Automatic parking brakes ensure they are used every time the vehicle is put into park, reducing stress on the transmission parking pawl and ensuring the parking brake is always used (which is rarely the case with most drivers who drive vehicles with automatic transmissions, hence why electronic parking brakes are so common now). It also eliminates the cable mechanisms which often fail or become damaged/seized after a few years due to rust, etc.
Electronic parking brakes in general are stupid. There is nothing wrong with having a mechanical parking brake that you simply pull on whenever you need it but these engineers just want to overengineer everything.
To be fair there's a park lock override button under the rubber mat, just in front of your shifter. All cars have this, but they're getting better at hiding them. Just stick a pen or something in the hole, depress the override switch, shift to your desired gear, pull the pen out, and you're good to go.
@@lewis72 I dont work for a car company, but i am a design engineer. They keep telling me I'm the expert, but then ignore everything I say. Good/frustrating to know its not just my current industry
@@hammerofgayz real car people understand this almost universally. No one goes into engineering dispassionately, that’s a bean counter characteristic (Adam excluded, naturally).
YUP! Had something similar happen a few years ago. Was a little scared on a slight incline. CALLED SUBARU - and yes, it did take about 5 minutes (seemed longer, but it was about 5 mins) and got a person to quickly explain exactly what to do. So yeah - (insert sarcasm)...instead of making a choreographed video, I got the answer to the problem in 5 minutes. No accident and I was on my way within 15 mins.
There's a shift lock release in the center console forward under the rubber mat that you can release with a screw driver. Better than most other vehicles that are equipped with a small door next to the shifter that always gets damaged when removed.
and that's why I love manual cars with a good old emergency brake actuated by a simple steel wire and a lever, you run out of battery and you just push it in second gear to turn it on and the emergency brake actually works as an emergency brake.
@@WireWeHere Except the parking brake only really gets used by the car if something catastrophic breaks sending the car rolling, therefore causing an emergency. It can also be used in an emergency when the regular brakes break and no longer brake.
@@austindavid1862 That's actually another severe design flaw in Subaru. If the engine detects a fault with the throttle body, the throttle will stop responding. All it takes is an electrical fault, fuse blowing etc. Imagine pulling up to a road in front of an 18 wheeler and suddenly you're across the road with no acceleration. Super stupid design that can cost lives.
Yea because there IS a shift lock override button under the rubber mat in front of the shifter that could be pressed with almost any small stick like device like a pen....I feel like this problem is more his fault than the Subaru engineers. Just my opinion. Still give him a like and comment tho.
You forgot the other engineering screwup in the 17/18 Legacy, that huge touchscreen can be killed by the Sunlight coming in through the windows that literally acts like a giant magnifying glass and burns out little dots on the screen. Eventually the screen with start "touching itself" and changing the radio stations, making calls on your phone that's connected, or even outright deleting your phone forcing a long drawn out attempt to reconnect before the screen starts touching itself again and ignoring your inputs, or just stops working altogether.
My Chevrolet Colorado did the same thing. The guys comment about how it isn't the same as the safety aspect of the ebrake hasn't tried driving with this fun phenomenon. Radio changing, calling last called, hanging up, navigation pretending that you're driving in the middle of the ocean....
Yep, UV light is really bad for touch screens. You've seen all the Redbox video rental kiosks that have a little shade over the screen? Three guesses why they have that, and the first two don't count. As far as the car radios go, you'd think that a simple UV protecting applique would work, but apparently not, or Redbox would probably have them.
That's a stupid sentiment. There's no way of knowing that a car has a SPOF like this when you buy it. It's not unreasonable for a customer to expect there to be laws that prevent this kind of thing from happening, nor to expect that engineers who design cars to have some idea what the fuck they're doing. Otherwise, people should build their own cars!
@@ArcherBowman and numerous of his videos implied he's quitting youtube or something similar. His thumbnails and titles are complete clickbait, you'd have to actually watch the video to find out what it's about lol
If you had read the user manual, you would know there is a shift lock release mechanism in the center console, which allows you to put into park when the battery is dead.
Ok. But most consumers would not be aware of this. You should not have to read through 800 pages on the owners manual to put the car in park or pull the handbrake.
@@AJ-zv9tneveryone has a phone tho just like this guy who's recording this video. He could've just googled, "how to shift an automatic with a dead battery". And who works on their car without tools nearby?
Also why is he even in a situation where the car is shifted into neutral while the battery is simultaneously dead? If he couldn’t figure out how to shift the vehicle while the battery was dead, he couldn’t have put it into neutral after the battery died. So this is literally his fault. Even if the battery died while he was driving he should still be in drive, which would provide enough friction to prevent rolling.
@cabuco2006 it's been a year since this comment lmao. I've lost that 18 impreza, gained and lost an 07 Legacy 2.5GT Spec B, and am now left with 2004 WRX and 2020 outback XT. ( can't live without turbo now). I don't like driving the Outback because it has the stupid electronic E brake that I can't do jack shit with, so I kept buying older cars (after each total loss settlement) just so I can keep that ever decreasing E brake.
2020 wrx should have the same mounting location for the mech brake and have the same rear "drum rotors" just mechanical if you are brave enough to try a swap and can find the parts. I have a 2018 Crosstrek basest base model ever and am getting into modding it lol. I cannot wait to ruin the poor thing and it's fb20d!
The problem is not engineering!!!! Problem is people don’t know how to read an owner’s manual when they get there car to learn about it’s features and how to use them.
@@bannedbycommieyoutube5time920 there's a lot of cars like that these days. You lose power you can't shift. As a tow truck driver it's annoying. It took me 40 minutes one time to figure out how to get a BMW into neutral lol. I had to read the manual on the side of the highway. They had a strap you had to pull that was under the dash and covered in plastic trim.
@@pierredelecto7069 the fact that you do that for a living and it isn’t self explanatory definitely proves the point. Good luck and stay safe out there.
All automatic transmissins have a button that allows you to shift the gears when the engine is off. On this Subaru its got a small plastic cover just above the gear selection indication lights.
Yeah but using the shift lock override that exists on basically every single automatic since the 90s for the exact purpose of overriding the shift lock isn't something this guy thought of
@@scottthewaterwarrior the button on the shifter asks the computer if it is allowed to do what the driver wants to do. The computer will allow movement if the action makes sense. E.g. you should be locked out of reverse and park while travelling forward. Shift lock override ignores this, because a blow tail light fuse or the situation in the video mean you need to be able to override the lockout.
Observation: If the car doesn’t shift gears when the battery is dead, then there’s really no reason for engineers to worry if it can be shifted out of neutral with a dead battery. Reason being; the car should always be parked in park, not neutral. 9 out of 10 times a battery dies when the car is off. If this is the case, then in theory, you shouldn’t need to shift to park when a battery is dead, it should already be there (in most cases). But just a thought.
As an owner of a 2017 Subaru Outback that has had multiple battery problems from a parasitic draw, I approve of this message. I've got a routine of shutting down that enables a slightly longer battery life.. if being on the 4th battery is living. I miss my 2003 Outback, well, except for the headgasket issue. Bought my last Subaru!
@Guimauve griller Omitting a standard-visible-instant-mechanical brake and adding steps in order to find a secret function out of view, usually behind trim requiring tools, is the epitome of complication... 😂
They spend so many hours in the meeting room, so many hours building it, and sonmany hours testing it, yet they forget to test this problem, yup they deserve a punch in the face award
fun fact i believe there is a physical button underneath the shifter cover that lets you release the lock, to shift into park. most all vehicles have this since the 90s
@@robbdudeson346more likely it was marketing guys saying they want X feature to market and forced out mechanical for an electronic (not software btw) solution. Literally has nothing to do with software engineers. They can’t code the laws of physics. But electric does sound better to most consumers, so marketing wants that!
I once worked at a package delivery company and one of the cars had really bad handbrake. Inside the cabin there really was a brick with "handbrake" written on it 🤣
There is also a way to prevent rolling down the Hill in any car. The steering wheel. Just put it to the side and you can have more than enough time to get something like a rock...
Let's talk about how all cars put the gauges behind the steering wheel where they get blocked by, oh I don't know, your hands. They could have placed the vents there and the gauges up on the dash where you can see them and your eyes would be closer to the watching the road.
Bro, there's a little plastic clip next to the shifter. Pop that off, stick the key inside to release a lever, and allow you to shift into park. All cars I know of have em, that one certainly does.
^^^^This. And how is it there, with the car in neutral AND the electric park brake disengaged in the first place? For the battery to die, he must have been sitting there with his foot on the brake since the engine was stopped.
THIS is FMVSS standard. unfortunately it specifies that the cover should only be able to be popped off with a "tool" FCA had to recall a couple hundred thousand jeeps a few years ago because the shift lock covers would come off without a tool.
@@jonasluks1438 See DiagnoseDan's "no start because of a door handle" on a 3-series BMW from a couple of years ago. I really don't need that nonsense in my life.
every vehicle has a button(usually hidden) to unlock the automatic gear selector even with total power loss. You just have to find it and press it down. Roadside assistance has to deal with these issues everyday on hundreds of different models.
JHC. For everyone clamoring that all parking brakes should be mechanical and Subie engineers are overthinking everything and being purposefully complicated....know this one thing. Cars equipped with Hill Hold or Hill Start Assist (like Subie) do so by utilizing an electric brake. It's so the PB can hold the car on a very steep incline or decline without your foot on the brake. This prevents ANY roll of the car while moving a foot to the acellerator. Once the accelerator is pressed the car automatically releases the PB. It's' a feature, but not without possible flaws of course.
for the record, you could’ve taken precautions and looked before you threw the car in neutral and realized if your gonna work on an incline you should have blocks infront of the wheels
Worst part of the electric hand brakes is that if you are moving more than a couple miles per hour they won't engage so they don't even work as emergency brakes
They do, how they actually function is you hold the button on and the car will automatically break using the entire braking system to come to a full stop, this makes use of the “front assist” technology that is fitted to cars with electronic handbrake. It also means for those in NA where it’s called an emergency brake (which is not when a handbrake should be used) have now got a much better function for the same descriptive word.
@@gtjack9 okay, but using the normal brake system doesn't help anything if the reason you are reaching for the emergency brake is that the normal brake system has had a failure.
True but they don't always work. Our Sonata got stuck in park a few times for no reason and the shift override never worked. In fairness though our Sonata was a terrible car (manufacturing defects galore) so maybe if it was built better it would have worked, who knows.
Engineer here, these guys were probably forced into doing it by management, the design team probably told management that having a push-button ebrake would make the car look nicer inside and management overruled the engineers decision of using the old system. Any decent engineer should follow one rule, don't re-invent the wheel.
Ima just put this out there, in the console, above the shiter. The little plastic change catch (as I call it) pops out. Use a little flat head screw driver to pop it off. After that, there is a little hole, take a long screw driver or a pencil and put it in the hole and push down. This lets you operate the shifter so you can put it into park or neutral. The shifter is mechanically connected to the transmission so when shifted into park, a parking pawl locks the vehicle into park. That is the safety system put into the car so you can operate the shifter. So next time, do the little hack and be able to put the vehicle into park with no battery power required.
Jesus! Thank you for pointing this out. I was literally scrolling though the comments, only to look for this exact procedure. So many comments until finally I saw yours. No one knows of this it seems, a shame really. 🙄 Thank you, now I can stop scrolling, and saving me from having to point your exact point out. 👍🏼🙂
The whole point of an emergency brake is that it should be a direct cable connection so it can be applied in an emergency. A lot of these electronic brakes arent even emergency brakes as they wont engage while moving they are merely only parking brakes. Not safe. Its like with the crash standards on newer cars they really want you to get into a crash so that their time engineering the crash safety wasnt wasted.
Like the new chevys? Same thing, left hand side, on the knee pan, little panel. That pops off and a little pull cord is exposed. Pulling that releases the parking pawl in the transmission. All cars with shifters or knob shifters have a redundancy factor built into them.
For all the geniuses if you remove the rubber mat in front of the gear shifter you will find a small hole which you can stick a screw driver, pen, pencil,etc. then shift the car into any gear even if the battery is dead.
@@catfishbilly7425 other comment state that with a flathead or key he could get to the shifter over ride. I mean my wife keeps a toolbox in her purse but I dont think everyone has a driver handy. Keep in mind of that small situation where you are alone in a hill and cant get the foot off the brake.
Or you could use your mobile phone to phone a friend who owns a brick. Or maybe there is a "Shift Lock" button that lets you put the gearbox into park.
There is a manual release for the shifter. It’s in that little tray compartment in front of the shift knob. Lift up the rubber cover and you’ll see the slot. Just stick a screwdriver in and there you go.
Exactly what I was thinking. People making videos trying to show off how much smarter they are than the engineers while being too stupid to know what a shift lock is and how to disable it
@@hustla818 that's just stupid, what's less tedious: open a panel take your screwdriver stick it in the hole and press down to operate the shifter OR pull a lever?
I'm not blaming the engineers...especially those pragmatic engineers from Japan. I will however blame the salarymen in management overriding decisions to make some more pennies
the ebrake is still a cable, but its just that the actuator is not a pedal or handle you pull but a button that pushes or pulls, an unnecessary complication.
@@jonnda wow that adds more complexity and points of failure. they should have a capacitor or seperate little battery just for that system, so incase ur battery is dead or removed, you can at least actuate the parking brake a few more times.
So you have to hop out, pop the trunk, grab it as it's rolling down the hill and then put it in front of a tire for a small, but exhilarating jump ramp.
@@andrewolson5471 he can't let his foot off of the brake or it will start rolling. You're going to let go of the brake, hop out, run in front or behind a freely rolling vehicle and hope that the chock stops it at the force it's generated by the time you get to it? You're probably one of those karate people who thinks you can take a gun pointed at your face before they can pull the trigger. The afterlife is filled with your kind lol best of luck. Don't forget your rubber helmet.
@@goofballbiscuits3647 You sure made a lot of assumptions about me. The trick in that scenario is to grab the chock from behind the seat while holding the brake, open the door and place the chock in line with the rear tire as close as you can. Then use the brakes to control the car as you settle it into the chock.
If the car keeps dying because bad alternator and just trying to get it off the road so put it in neutral, or there's been a few times where I've seen where the battery just totally craps out.
Bad ground and or connection, or blown fuse etc could also cause that situation. In the rust belt the braided battery grounds are sometimes corroded of on cars that are only a few years old.
See, some people call it a parking brake. If all it was is a parking break, sure, make it electronic. But an EMERGENCY break should always be able to function i.e. purely mechanical
Perhaps why it's called a "Parking Brake" sometimes. Company can't assume liability when it doesn't work in an emergency then. See what the lawyers did there?
Once you lift up the rubber mat inside the USB cubby, you'll see a circular hole. Stick your key or a screwdriver down the whole while pressing the shifter button and moving the shift back into park.
These people are dumb and the people on RU-vid that believe this are worse. Every car I’ve worked on has some kind of manual release to put into or out of park when battery is dead….
I think he said somewhere that he couldn’t get the key out of the ignition while in neutral. And he had no access to a screwdriver while keeping his foot on the brake.
This is why we need manuals. It would solve the dead battery problem cause manual hand brake and park in gear, also bump starts exists so you can start your car when the battery is flat
That's not emergency brake, it's called electronic hand brake and it's meant to be used when parked. You don't leave car parked without engaging it. And second it's not just subaru.
