Why the Enclave is Wrong - Fallout 3 Lore 

Enclave here. Why isn't your video feed working?

>non-feral ghouls are harmless > *Roy Phillips has entered the chat*

"Getting rid of all super mutants would make the place a lot safer" Uh Ox, maybe don't say that while Fawkes is right behind you with a Fatman.

Ox: "They've been held up in Ravenrock" Me: *But Solstheim is... Uh*

Bold words for someone in verti assault team range, Mr. Ox.

[Drinks Aqua Pura] [Dies] "You don't feel quite as lucky anymore."

Ox: Non-Feral’s are Harmless. > *Charon has entered the chat*

Based on the events of Fallout 2, I can assume that destroying mutants has always been one of the Enclave's main goals. The Enclave under President Dick Richardson also planned to use a modified F.E.V. to kill all mutated (i.e. non-Enclave) individuals in the wasteland. Eden was doing little more than following the Enclave's agenda.

The lone wanderer:talks to Eden Eden: suicide is badass

"President Eden...lies". Ah, a true president.

I actually enjoyed hearing Eden say that Colonel Autumn didn’t want to use the modified FEV to cleanse all mutations. Though it was mostly Inferred, I find it interesting that there’s a hint of humanity left in Autumn, or that he needs something to lord over. Either way it’s an interesting thought about the morals of one of the literal antagonists.

18:49 "Enclave scientest running away" Oxhorn : "with what legs

I'm gonna play devils advocate and say I dont believe eden lied I think he genuinely thought you were born and grew up in a vault. More likely he was misinformed

If President Eden saw what 90% of his members in Appalachia looked like, he'd probably call down an orbital strike on the whole region.

"The Enclave is Wrong." In the next episode, Murder is Bad. Edit: I realize my mistake and am rephrasing it now: "The Enclave is Wrong." "YOU ARE OUT OF UNIFORM SOLDIER, WHERE IS YOUR POWER ARMOR? DON'T HAVE ANY? YOU EXPECT ME TO BELIEVE THAT MAGGOT? TRUTH IS, YOU'VE LOST A PIECE ARMY-ISSUE EQUIPMENT! THAT SUIT IS GONNA COME OUT OF YOUR PAY, AND YOU WILL REMAIN IN THIS MANS ARMY UNTIL YOU ARE 510 YEARS OLD, WHICH IS THE NUMBER OF YEARS IT WILL TAKE FOR YOU TO PAY FOR THE MK2 POWERED COMBAT ARMOR YOU HAVE LOST! REPORT TO THE ARMORY AND HAVE A NEW SUIT ISSUED TO YOU AND REPORT BACK TO ME PRIVATE, DISMISSED!"

I believe there is a need to separate Autumn and Eden’s enclave because Eden wanted purity and was willing to kill all without it.Autumn wanted to help all of the Wasteland like the radio said.Even in the game if you tell Autumn what Eden is up to he just quits.

I don't think that Eden lied to the Lone Wander. I think he just doesn't know that he/she was born outside vault 101.

They're wrong but they have the best power armor so its okay

wrong

I think the idea behind the enclave has a chance at being a good force for the wasteland. However all of its leaders in fallout two as well as in fallout three and even prewar did not have the ideas that the enclave said they did if they truly followed what they were advertising and what they “believed in” then they would be a force for good. Unfortunately they do not which is why the enclave is evil and wrong. But they’re still the damn coolest looking!

Kinda ironic, the Government caused the Super mutants.

Our goal is to recreate once great United States of America. 🇺🇸 Using FEV to project purity was idea of broken Artifical Inteligence, not ours. We wanted it for endless supply of water for people of wasteland so they become loayal to the Enclave. But we will come back America, maybe from our base in Chicago or other army bases that we retaken through all those years. One day we will be all united under flag of United States of America. God bless America. God bless the Enclave.

Yeah, how dare Autumn try to {looks at notes} use project purity to establish themselves as the wasteland police force and use the clean water to create a safer society. _Wait a minute…_

I also love the irony that Eden, the "president" of the united states is voiced by a British actor.

Eden and his bunker could have been a great asset. If you had the option to keep him alive when Broken Steel starts.

One problem with AI is that it's limited by the parameters programmed in. ZAX was programmed to believe that its calculations would always be correct. And everyone in the Enclave has been raised to believe that ZAX is always right, so they often won't even question its pronouncements. That, IMO, is why they came to accept President Eden in the beginning, when there would have been quite a few people still alive who remembered that Eden was in fact a supercomputer. Problem is, when you think you know everything, you can be blindsided by things you didn't know.

Oxhorn:”Non-Feral Ghouls are Harmless.” Me:(Coughs)”Roy Phillips”(Coughs)”Gallo”(Coughs)

As Qui Gon Jinn once said "The Ability to speak doesn't mean you have intelligence"

One group is focusing on purity, the other is a reform of the Enclave as a hole

The Enclave did plan on using Deathclaws but they somehow made them sentient. So they sent Horrigan to eliminate them.

I always wondered how the Enclave would interact with the Institute, would they shoot on sight or try working together since the Institute was the former C.I.T. which was a pre war group

On behalf of president eden I disapprove

Imagine a Fallout 4 DLC where you, the Lone Survivour, enter the "bad end" Capitol Wasteland and can survive because you have uninfected DNA

I wish the Enclave would have been more detailed in Fallout 3, a bit more lore, a few more quests and maybe a way to side with them before the battle at Adam's Air Force Base and with Liberty Prime. I mean, sure, they're evil but they're also interesting.

"Ghouls are harmless" Tell that to the folks at Tenpenny Tower XD Be sure to look for them in the basement.

The Enclave is pretty similar to Caesar's legion because both believe in society becoming stronger through natural selection.The main difference is that the Enclave focuses on genetic purity more while the Legion focuses on strenght and battle prowess. Either way both factions are irredeemable for the sole fact that even though their end goal is noble, their methods are just too cruel for it to be worth it.

I thought at the beginning: "Well, the arguments aren't that strong. It seems like the Enclave just want-" President Eden: "What any other good politician wants. Your continued trust and support." Me: "Yup, the Enclave is both wrong and evil."

Waiting for a fallout 2 video and yet here I’m am

Can we take a moment and appreciate the pefectly aligned sniper shot that took down the Mark VI Turret at 0:46?

The Enclave had a noble goal. They just went about it in the worst way possible

Also Autumn never 100% assured he said maybe he would let you go which is obviously a lie.

Enclave is a clear representation of radicalisim in politics and how "the end justify the means" can be justify for any atrocity

I find it kind of funny that Maxon's BoS has a taken in a different version of this "purity" problem from the Enclave.

God bless the enclave, god bless America.

Dude, I loved Fallout 3 especially the side quests like "Helping The Outcasts"

I think somewhere down the line human purity became Enclave purity and any good they could have done for the wasteland died a long time ago, but that power armour though

I really like the subtly nuanced shift in the enclaves ideology seen in the dispute between Autumn and Eden. While Eden represents the original (Fallout 2) enclave ideology of purging the post-war america from all inferior lifeforms (including humans grown up in the wasteland), Autumn gives up on this old view and adapts to a more pragmatic one. Yes, he is an unparalleled asshole, killing prisoners of war, civilians and innocents without mercy and hesitation. However, he really believes in restoring order and sustainability („I will tell you whats going on here. You lost. The good guys won this one“), even if its not based on altruistic values. While Eden wants to poison the water of the capital wasteland to purge it, Autumn wants to seize control, because he understands that who controls the water, controls the people, controls the wasteland. He does not want to just kill of all non-enclave humans. He understands, that a government (as what the enclave sees itself) needs a body of citizens to rule over in order to create order and sustainability. I am really hoping that we will see the last remnants of the enclave (chicago?) with a similar ideology. I think compared to the fanatic ideology of the Fallout 4 Brotherhood, it would present a very interesting grey area of good and bad.

Hmmm sounds like something a synth would say

The only reason that Autumn wants the Lone Wanderer dead is because he is the only person who can and possibly will wipe out life on the surface. He wouldn't have killed the Vault Dwellers, he would have used the pre-war personnel to strengthen the Enclaves numbers. "Even good people do bad things when they are scared." The Enclave see the BoS building a large presence in D.C. and that is very concerning. The Enclave know that the BoS in the East are basically well organized, well armed raiders who wipe out entire settlements for a few supplies. They know that if the BoS get a hold on the D.C. wasteland, that they will begin their empire after they confiscate all "technology" so no one will stand in their way. Also, Autumn doesnt always tell the truth, but that is simply because all militaries and governments have secrets that the public cannot know about yet. That is nothing unusual.

It always felt strange to me that the ideology of the Enclave became so far removed from the ideology of the U.S. government. That they would devote so much of their resources not to rebuilding and reestablishing their power structure, but towards crazed schemes to purge America of every living thing, save for themselves. Colonel Autumn seems like the only Enclave leader who's even remotely sane, but even he seems to have forgotten the US government's idealistic foundation, judging by the utter ruthlessness he shows when dealing with outsiders.

Ox: “non-feral ghouls are harmless” The Ghoul: “Ass jerky don’t make itself.”

i honestly wished there was a speech option to clonal autumn that was "i only see a raider boss here" that would insight him to attack

The enclave were awesome I wish we could play as them

Enclave. The equivalent to the Byzantines. Remnants of an old Empire.

*Galaxy news version*: - We bringin' to studio this mornin' one of the Enclave activists, mista'... should I call ya mista'?... President Eden. Good morning. - Good morning. - Why r u gae?

well, i've played HOI4 old world blues, i've managaed to do both reformed enclave and purifier enclave, both have no manpower at all. such a good mod lol.

Because they're generic bad guys. Also, they drop fingers.

My theory: Eden *did* make every calculation. He just stopped caring about humans. He wants all humans eradicated. Maybe even all biological life.

enclave under Autumns lead would actually be a GOOD thing for the wasteland. Autumn isnt evil, the president is

"I AM In ChaRGe hEre, I'm the EnClAve!"

23:41 Hold on. I distinctly recall that you can convince Colonel Autumn to give up and walk out.

And you can’t join the enclave Bethesda is hurting my feeling I thought we were friends

THE ENCLAVE IS NEVER WRONG

Well, yeah, they're the antagonists. If they were right then why fight them and cheer for their defeat. But I do think that mutation is holding back the wasteland from healing - not minor stuff like people being exposed to a minimal dose of FEV in the air upon birth, but the mutated wildlife and other monsters produced by FEV. How many more people could focus on farming and science if it wasn't for the threat of some mutated monstrosity tunneling from underground or deciding to nest in their house? Raiders aren't mutants, but they're a result of scarcity of resources that the existence of mutated animals creates. Now not everyone would take up farming if there were no Deathclaws for example, there would still be bad people that want to take what's not theirs, but there would be way less of them if people could focus on rebuilding and expanding again instead of trying to stick to their hole in the ground so that the roving band of super mutants don't notice them.

I hope, if there will be a Fallout 3 Remake that they implement a option to join the Enclave and to side with Eden or Autumn (or maybe make yourself President) Because the Brotherhood is not really always like the one with Lyons. We see that in Fallout 4. The Outcasts are the ones that are representing a normal Brotherhood of Steel chapter

Got to love how the Enclave basically creates the worst of the mutants and then blames the wasteland for it.

The old man from 1:30 it’s like the voice from vault tec representant From fallout 4

Next can you tell us if elder Lyon’s brotherhood is good?

One of the Best Villain Factions of the Video-Game World! And damn, their Tech is SWEET~

War... War Never Changes! Neither does Friendship! But Ponies do and the roads that they trot! *Sing I don't want to set the world on fire by The Ink Spots*

Is the Enclave out of touch? No, it is the mutants who are wrong.

I always assumed that the whole purification of the wasteland thing was just a means to give The enclave ultimate power and control because werent The enclave soldiers in fallout 3 supposed to be mostly pure?

Maybe if we could have an option to play as the enclave in Fallout we could understand their motivations, when you meet the remanents in new Vegas you can see that they were people that just happen to be part of the organization and they belive in something

GOD BLESS THE SNEEDCLAVE

One of the ideas my friends and I have for future Fallout games is a game in Pennsylvania, a game about the Enclave. Enclave remnants are the main ruling faction of Penn in this game, mainly in the areas around Harrisburg and Philadelphia. But the house is divided against itself. In Harrisburg, the Enclave Remnants are trying to be the paragons of law and order like they tried to be in old games, while also trying to adopt a more compassionate stance towards the people of the wasteland. Meanwhile, in Philly, the Sons of Liberty want to completely abandon all the sins of the Enclave they came from, including the name. They want to go back to the old days of government like they had in the very early days of America. Now, out of the old subway station, the Train Rider appears. An they don't realize they'll be the deciding factor in the conflict between the last dregs of American government

I so wanted to work for the Enclave. Would have been great if we have had them as a playable faction.

Dropped off my step brother at his first day of high school and now an oxhorn notification? Great morning

Also, the Enclave DOES fight mutants whenever they see them. Go to the Capitol Building, and you'll see Enclave forces fighting against the mutants. Not only that, but the Enclave forces are generally more powerful than the Brotherhood of Steel, which means that had the Enclave won the battle for Project Purity, they'd have an easier time defeating the mutants than the Brotherhood does, especially since they have better power armors like the Hellfire Power Armor being more than a match for the super mutant scum. The Enclave's plasma weaponry and flamethrowers are also stronger weapons against the mutants. Also, it was only Eden who wanted to wipe out all mutants; Autumn didn't give a shit and would have given the irradiated humans and ghouls water in exchange for fealty, which is far better than the BoS not even using the purifier to create a stable state the way House does with New Vegas or the New California Republic does in California. Autumn wasn't being a selfish cunt. He actually wanted what was best for the wasteland, which IS a centralized state similar to New Vegas or the NCR, as opposed to the BoS who just wanted to hoard technology and play wack-a-mole with Super Mutants.

This is why I like Oxhorn, for his in-depth analysis of morality presented in the fallout universe.

Why the fallout 3 bos is the best bos in fallout history and autumns enclave might be the best hope for the capital wasteland

General Jamison will lead us to glory!

*steps on a bug* Oxhorn “And this is why he is evil”

I beg to differ, the Enclave is at the height of it's power!

You spelled “right” wrong

The Enclave does have noble ideas tho the need to extinguish every single mutated lifeform in the Wasteland is a bit over the top

If I was to have an evil character, or to have a good character, I'd like to be able to actually join the factions instead of just supporting them. I love the NCR and I love what they do, but you cannot just join the faction you have to only support them. If I want my character to be evil I join the Enclave,

But Enclave is giga mega ultra Chad.

in 76.. Like the fact their all dead and you cant talk to anyone?

Eden is the the most dangerous kind of evil, the kind who has a noble goal and thinks they are right but are so terribly wrong

Eden:”The wasteland is mutated!” MODUS: *Literally sells mutations in the science wing*

Eden: “I’m only human, after all.”

Tunnel Snakes rule! There the right choice

21:20 well, that, and according to terminal entries, giving civilians rations in exchange for running genetic tests on them. The fact that most of those people fail these tests really saves resources.

Love how in 3 they arent even that bad but the closest thing you can do to siding with them is taking the fev from the rogue president and pulling a fallout 2 full on genocide approach

I'm tired if being only able to join the BoS, I wanna join the Enclave

You make some amazing comprehensive content! I love your your style and am always excited to tune into.. "a brand new video." Keep up the fantastic work.

Someone teach Oxhorn how to fight in video games please.

You forgot yourself if you did the survival guide quest and got the rad regeneration perk

Enclave and the brotherhood are no different. The brotherhood in fallout 4 is basically the enclave.

"Ox Walks in Front of Eden and Starts Talking"