Gotham MUST be remembered... 

Are they aware how stupid they look asking that question?

Yes

In a decade or two if they ever do a multiversal chapter in the DCU , I could see him returning in a crisis on infinite earths film as batman once again.

Dude he’s like 22 they better hurry tf up.

@@Wagdaddy_09 He’s only 22 😅 they can start in 3-4 years hopefully and have a good show

With an actual suit. not the gotham knights suit

The most comic accurate portrayal of a Joker we've seen live action. He should've got the role in the new Batman films, criminal he didn't after that performance, would've been PERFECT

Well if the gcpd was actually doing anything Batman wouldnt need to exist

​@@NoahGreene-pp5wm watch the show and you would see that they WERE doing their best

i mean The Villains dont have Powers at all So Gcpd Can Take care of it

​@@NoahGreene-pp5wmbro Bruce wayne is still Young He Cant be batman at the time

@@kurtjeffrey8273 no I know but like if they did their jobs then he would never have needed to become batman

Best Jim too

Best zsasz and mad hatter

Stupid question but what is OC? It’s driving me crazy.. I’ve got so many of the rogues gallery cycling throughout my head..

@@sweettee_gaming "oc" is just original character

Best series OC is Harley Quinn, but otherwise 💯

Why would you randomly hate that gimmick... Tf?

@@diamond7099 Tbf, remember Smallville?

@@Vinesus Smallville was awful.

@@DanielTorres-pw8il exactly

@@DanielTorres-pw8il smallville was good for the early 2000s

Oh hey, fancy seeing you here. Loved your Power of the Doctor review!

Jerome isn't the Joker though, even tho I'd want him to be... his brother is

@@noin4223 they both are they're just not allowed to call themselves the joker

The Joker was meant to be a combination of both Jerome and Jeremiah. Physically it would be Jeremiah but he would lose it and basically become jerome.

He is no way the best live action joker

underrated? back when it was still airing it was everywhere😭

@@noin4223 not talked about as much the CW shows (that were awful in comparison) were more famous

To be fair, Jeremiah hates Bruce more. I mean, as he said: Haven't you paid attention?

Well thought, the idea is similar to something I wrote five years ago on Pup's Alternate final part2 video. If you interested to read, here is the full comment, it gives some idea on how this plotline could be set: Sorry for the long text but this might interest you guys. I got recently a sketch of a strange idea so how Gotham could have done differently with the Joker origin story. This idea would “solve” the following “issues”: - Keep the beloved Jerome alive - Have a Joker with semi unknown identity - (+bonus) Have Jeremiah and Jerome at the same time as both “Half/Protos Jokers” In this scenario Jerome never dies in 4x18 and instead framed again at Arkham with the help of Jeremiah. In a similar fashion than Batman Telltale, Jeremiah would have to spread the insanity gas on Wayne’s Enterprise board employees in 4x20, as they discovered that Jeremiah’s technology can be used with wrong intentions and wanted to keep the generator safe from him, doesn’t trusting Jerome’s brother. As Jerome followers break in, they force Bruce to wear a gas mask, but strangely the gas doesn’t affect Jeremiah, that’s here he would remove is makeup to reveal he was already exposed to it. Most of the events happens the same until Ace Chemicals episode, where Jerome would break from Arkham. Then Jerome wants to disrupt Jeremiah plans in order to throw the city even more the chaos in the city (could have been the part of spreading the chemicals into the river) and at the same time challenging Bruce to stop him, definitely bounding them in a Mark Hamillesque Batman/Joker relationship. Feeling that would compromise is own plan regarding Bruce (Parents re-murder), Jeremiah pushes Jerome into the chemicals. Bruce would attempt to save him but instead we would have the same kind of scene as 4x18 with Jerome’s death, and Jerome would let himself fall into chemicals. Then Bruce and Jeremiah confronts as the same as 5x07, and Jeremiah falls too in the chemicals. Here is the fun part: the twins are extracted from chemicals with severe injuries, one of them as definelty died from severe burns, and the other is still alive but with no brain activity. The thing as their body and face are so severely damaged and they share the same DNA, it’s impossible to know which one survived and which one died, the surviving twin would be called J Valeska instead or Jerome or Jeremiah. 10 years after, Jim would ask him if he was Jeremiah or Jerome while attempting to save is daughter. J would responds a cryptic manner that would suggest he knows who he really is but playing with it in Nolan’s Joker manner, adopting the behaviour of both Jeremiah and Jerome at the same time to maintain the ambiguity. At the end, there is no way to know who is really is J. That all, I’m conscious that this idea is quite a sketch but I find it enough interesting to share it.

yeah

Sadly the closest thing we got to a Gotham continuation was that mediocre *Batwoman* show... in the sense that Gotham's Renée Montoya came back for Batwoman season 3, still played by Victoria Cartagena. And the Victor Zsasz from that show (played by Alex Morf, that we had already seen in Gotham season 5) was very, _very_ clearly inspired by Anthony Carrigan's incarnation of the character. There are a couple other nods to the show in it, but I don't recommend watching it just for that; or at all. For every good thing in *Batwoman* (solid Luke Fox/Batwing, solid Poison Ivy in season 3, really good Black Mask as the season 2 Big Bad, etc) , there are 10 terrible ones

@@marlonclark1896 gotham is bad they moved too fast and show was just awful.

@@mrx-od3ji no it wasn't

@@marlonclark1896 yes the show was just bad,

the batman 2022 is the worst batman ever the best batman is from 1989.

the way that Gotham is depicted in The Batman reminded me of Gotham a lot. However the way Bruce is acting in the Batman wouldn’t fit into Gotham’s Bruce Wayne, because David Mazouz’s Bruce is no longer as angry about his parents death as Robert Pattinson’s Bruce seemed to be.

@@luisz222 - Damn right. I'm a massive *Gotham* fanboy, but I have no problem admitting that the show feels like an Elseworlds story, since Bruce made peace with the show's Joe Chill (aka Matches Malone) much earlier than usual, and let go of his angst before he fully transitioned into Batman. Recently, *Batman: 3 Jokers* (damn, already 3 years old??) also did a very touching scene in which Bruce forgave Chill and held his hand as he was dying... Reminded me of *Gotham* 's : "I wished you were a monster... but you're just a man" The Batman that would have resulted from 5 seasons of *Gotham* would have been very interesting, he's already dealt with some of his biggest early problems, like the mob wars between Falcone & Maroni, the Red Hood gang & Joker's becoming, he's already met with Ra's al Ghul and killed him (well, Barbara kinda forced his hand) and now his daughter Nyssa wants revenge... It also seems like it's one of these Earths in which there aren't other superheros, like how in *Superman & Lois* (season 3 airing right now), it's been stated that Superman was the only super-powered hero. Diggle has made references to Green Arrow in season 1, and we learn that he died, but sounds like his team didn't include Ragman and Black Canary (the Dinah Drake one) Anyway, the Batman that would have emerged from *Gotham* would have probably been one that would have been eager to create a Justice League of sorts, like how Green Arrow did in *Arrow* when he finally chilled out and stopped killing people left and right. At least, that's my headcanon... David Mazouz was so good, it would be a real shame if he never got to play Batman... even if it's just a small role, like Iain Glein in *Titans* or Kevin Conroy in *Crisis on Infinite Earths* ... honestly I feel like if it were to happen, a small cameo would be the best we could realistically hope for. It's a shame they didn't get Mazouz to make a small scene in *Titans* season 4's episode "Dude, where is my Gar?" , for which they got Brec Bassinger (aka *Stargirl* ) to show up on set for just one day, and got her to film a short scene with Beast Boy...

​@@mrx-od3ji Hold this L

​@@mrx-od3ji Batman 89 sucks

One one hand, I would have also loved to get more *Gotham* ... but on the other, I'm glad it ended before it had time to degrade. I'm one of the few who actually enjoyed season 5, Bane and Nyssa al Ghul were really good as the Big Bads, in a big homage to *The Dark Knight Rises* ... The last episode after the 10 years gap was underwhelming though, wish it had been at the very least a two-parter.

Until Stupid ratings had to ruin everything

Woman

I'm watching for the 6th time

Arrow was a great show too and the flash the first few seasons was great . They get hated on but I’m glad they existed

Gotham yes Arrow no.😊

@@Raiders-qk8ld - *Arrow* had a fantastic first 2 seasons, that were basically a huge Green Arrow vs Deathstroke arc... then sadly it deteriorated in seasons 3&4, and we would have to wait for season 5 to get another great season. The later seasons were very inegal, with 6 being mostly "meh", 7 starting great but ending up mediocre, and 8 being pretty damn good. In the end, *Arrow* was a good show, but the quality of the seasons was too random. It felt really good to have a Green Arrow-centric a couple weeks ago in *The Flash* season 9, apparently the rest of the season is complete crap but that one episode kicked ass.

​@@randallflagg3700 yeah, it started out great but was turned into CW mush we know now, shame

@@Psycorde - Indeed, one episode left in the last season of the Flash, and so far the 4-episodes Cobalt Blue arc that ends the Flash is garbage. I hope they really put everything they have into the last episode, we already know of most of the cameos, so let's hope they make good use of it. Until the end, the CW had some great DC shows (Superman & Lois, and Stargirl are/were both top tiers superhero shows), but with them cancelling Stargirl after 3 seasons and now it sounds like they won't even give Superman & Lois a 4th season, because "it costs too much to produce, we barely make any money with it, and we want to become specialized in reality TV shows anyway"... Well, it's a real shame. The Arrowverse Barry Allen not even having a cameo in the Flash movie also sucks, since Ezra Miller had a cameo on the TV show, but oh welp.

is it really underrated if it had a huge fanbase (im talking about gotham) ?

I remember the day the finale aired I was at Culver's when it was on and I was bummed I missed it but watched it the next day

they botched the ending because of early cancellation. also stop calling it underrated it had a HUGE fanbase, the hype naturally died down around 4 season finale but still every episode of season 5 was trending on twt, the finale trended worldwide

@@sylvierr0n277 then why was it cancelled early?

@@CYeoung it has multiple factors to it, ratings are probably one of them but ratings have little to do with the size of the fanbase. foxtv was simply outdated and the show had awful schedule so yeah each season numbers were going down naturally, yet it was still popular and people watched it via other ways. it was doing great on Netflix🤷‍♀probably also has to do with disney buying fox

I agree. I have been reading Batman for years (I’m 35) and Jerome was literally joker from the comics on screen. Also Cameron just happens to have the physical look. Ledger and jack were amazing as joker but they didn’t look like joker in terms of build and other little details

@@timsimpson6019 I honestly would be happy if they recast Joker in the Matt Reeves Batman franchise to Cameron Monaghan. It'll probably never happen, but a guy can dream.

​@@timsimpson6019 I'm 35 too, my dude jack Nicholson in the late 80s looks exactly like the joker. Go RU-vid a video called: are you a good person by living waters

JN best joker in my opinion or tied with Caesar Romero ..go RU-vid - are you a good person by living waters

I don't think It's possible. BUT I WOULD LOVE a new Batman movie with GOTHAM cast. Just imagine

@@nyx8823 hm, okay, I guess I should’ve been more clear just in case, By “visit it’s World again” I meant it as in through other mediums, Still, yours is a interesting idea too.

You're wrong about Harvey Bullock being in Tim Burton's *Batman 89* ... apparently he was originaly supposed to show up in *Batman Returns* but Tim Burton decided to remove him from the script. *Gotham* was his first live action appearance, and Donal Logue did a great job... I agree with you about pretty much everything else though. Anthony Carrigan's Victor Zsasz wasn't comic accurate at all, but the character was so much fun that i stopped caring about accuracy pretty quick. They even paid an homage to his version of the character in the (terrible) show *Batwoman* , in which Zsasz (played by fellow *Gotham* co-star Alex Morf) is clearly based on the *Gotham* version. Like in *Gotham* , he plays a killer for hire instead of just being a serial killer, and he uses all kinds of weapons (including a rocked launcher like in "Gotham") instead of only using knives... he also has a sense of humor, makes little quips, and dresses very stylishly instead of being a complete psycho who is most often running around shirtless.

Facts

If u are blurry on it here is the specter and ending cut quick in 3 min explaining ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-m1GK86p-wXY.html

The Mr Freeze origin story was definitely one of the best moments of the show for me... _"Mr Freeze/A Dead Man Feels No Cold"_ is one of my favorite "mini-arcs". It's such a shame that after that he was relegated to elite mook status... Plus, not only was his first appearance in the *Gotham* universe, in the web-series *Gotham Stories* (which canonically takes place in the break at the middle of season 2) which was pretty cool with beautiful drawings (some are shown in this very video by Pup) and excellent voice acting, but sadly not a lot of people even watched it... But Freeze was then supposed to have a large role in *Gotham* season 5, which was cut short when they needed to make the season much shorter. And about the CW not being able to use more Batman characters than FOX... I don't think that's true? They were able, in the Arrowverse, to use Bruce Wayne, Kate Kane (Batwoman), Luke Fox (Batwing), important bat-rogues like Harvey Dent, Ra's al Ghul, Poison Ivy, Deadshot, Amanda Waller, Tommy Eliott (Hush), Lincoln March and the Court of Owls, Joe Chill, and many many others.

I'm rewatching it for the second time

Arrowverse Is Officialy Over I miss flash He is Goat Grant Gustin carried the Show after season 4 If only Gotham Have Crossover with other series Cause He is the batman And Dig should've been Green lantern but he rejected the ring on season 8 of flash And theres Superman Flash But Theres No Green Lantern Wonderwoman Aquaman Cause if Theres Justice Leauge it should've be Wally West As the flash cause In original Justhce Leauge the flash is wally west and barry allen died in the Crisis

Gotham Is Best at Portaying Young Bruce wayne And Jim Gordon As well as the villains in the show

He looks like him alot but I remember Jack saying a different name when he tells him to think about the future..go RU-vid - are you a good person by living waters

His name was Eckart, not Bullock