Why the Medic is flawed in TF2 

Treggles, I specifically told you that body pillow was a PRIVATE merch drop. I am only forgiving you of this careless mistake for making an absolute banger video, so well done.

I think there is an even bigger problem with medic in that his bad weapons aren't even fun. I can equip a bad weapon on other classes and still have a good time messing around with a new playstyle, but on medic you just do the exact same stuff with bad weapons, only worse. Its probably why people like the amputator, it atleast feels like there is something slightly different you can do.

The best part about the crossbow isn't the burst healing, no no... its the ability to duel snipers! I fucking love dueling snipers and then taunting after I kill them from half way across the map

Despite being my favourite class, medic does indeed suffer from "The Meta" the hardest in this game we call Team Fortress Two. I almost wish that the Syringe guns had higher velocity, and were thus more accurate. Because sometimes, ze healing does not feel as rewarding as ze hurting. Plus I desperately want to be able to do something about my hapless, utterly useless and brain-deficient teammates not being observant enough to defend their main source of healing, that of which is holding the team together, from a single scout or spy.

Genuinely Medic plays like if Engie had the Rescue Ranger and nothing but variations of the Pomson in his primary slot and whenever you complain about being railroaded into using the RR at all times people just tell you "Engie's supposed to make buildings, he's not supposed to fight"

Honestly, the amputator is more of a tool for psyche than math. It's not mathematically an improvement in many circumstances, but the two main benefits for me are: •No reward for getting melee hits means that I feel no obligation to melee attack anything I don't have to •Ease of use in crowds of players Melee fights are a gamble with your life, The amputator makes that gamble so much less tempting. As for the taunt, you know how players feel, waiting for you to heal as you keep missing your crossbow? Sometimes you're missing the crossbow because a crowd keeps absorbing your bolts, and there's only two people in that crowd that actually need heals. You can use the amputator taunt to ensure that the players get some amount of healing as soon as possible, and your teammates can't get in the way of eachother's healing. It's not so much about mathmatical efficacy as it is about ensuring that nobody runs away.

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I mean after playing other hero shooters shaped after TF2 it might seem not "unique enough". There is a reason why the game outlasted literally everything that came after it. Maining Medic requires a different mindset as you're trying to save the other 8 people on your team while the other 8 people on the enemy team want to kill you. I really appreciate how you're trying to point out that in the end there is only one true way to play Medic, but for me, that "Thanks" voice command when you heal someone is enough of a reward.

I think I recall the main issue for the overdose is updates, that being originally matching your heal target's speed was solely a quick fix bonus, and the overdose came out before that buff was on all mediguns. So really it was a case of 'it was balanced until other things got buffed'

Weapon rework idea: Cozy Camper since sniper class is listed as "support" you can make the cozy camper work as a banner item like soldier's. sniper charges a bar by hitting headshots (maybe like 20% for a headshot but i leave balancing for people who know more about game design) when the meter is fully charged sniper can use the item to spawn a campfire that would work kinda like a dispencer but only with healing(campfire automatically breaks after some time)

It's refreshing to see someone giving a deep-dive into the unlocks of TF2 without devolving into a reciting of the entire wiki. That video is some cool shit.

I also think it’s important to state that the amputator taunt gives you less control over your healing. You sometimes don’t need to heal a scout because they can run/jump quickly to a health pack, but a heavy/soldier may need it really quickly, which you can dish in higher doses using medigun/crossbow

yes but in thag best case scenario for the amputater you forgot your giving the best case scenario for crossbow and quick-fix too. remember that people move and hitting 4 crossbow shots in a row is basically impossible but when you see a medic with a glowy orb around him, you know to stand still

maybe a medigun that disable your ability to manually heal but be able to build uber with damage or healing using your primary or secondary. The uber charge would be like the vaccinator where you would have 4 charges, each charge throwing out a orb that does a burst of healing and gives increased over heal.

amputator works extremely well on dustbowl imo because of how choke point heavy the map is and how long it takes for either team to make any progress especially the first point of stage 3 if you're on defense

Overdose is easily the second best primary for Medic in my experience. Helps me reach teammates faster and get out of situations alive (believe it or not just because you aren't walking into dangerous situations at high uber doesn't mean a situation can't become dangerous when you don't expect). Granted, it is best used with the Quick Fix for its very high uber rate meaning you get the speed boost fast and if you are REALLY in a bad situation, you can pop the uber to heal to full real quick and then sprint away because the Overdose speed boost doesn't decrease until you switch back to the medigun. Solemn vow is also a good melee, especially if the enemies aren't dumb enough to walk in your melee range.

I honestly can't help but reflect on how common other syringe guns would be if they _also_ could be used to heal teamates. Idk if that solution would do much, but it'd at least be interesting

you know it's gonna be a good video when one of the timestamps is "Elmaxo is bad" KEKW

I feel like it’s be cool if the vita-saw worked like the eyelander, except it just gave you more max health, allowing for better survivability on your end, perhaps it could even give a slight damage increase to your primary as well

Your channel is so underrated, especially considering the editing quality and well constructed arguments in general, I hope the algorithm decides to notice you more! Great video.

nicely done vid , i love to play Med even if im not a Med Main, i think the "Neuron activation" when ppl play Med is watching ur patient destroying an entire team, of course that may not happen, but when in happens is a lot of fun

I'm going to put this out here, crossbow needs the sword's swap to and from speed penalty, and the ubarsaw needs to give 10%, not 25%

That whole "Amputator bad" bit was just a classic case of "Medic main tries to unglue the ubersaw from his hands"

I do think the self healing on the amputator is a bit overlooked for a lot of situations. Most players follow the strategy of "Get the medic first" which is fair, but means the medic is very often going to be taking damage. If your team is still doing fine and the enemy attention is on the medic, the self healing can buy those few extra seconds to keep the medic alive without having to waste Uber. Where I find this most helpful however is when using the crossbow as that keeps the medic at a safe distance. Chip damage can be healed from much quicker allowing the medic to go back to supporting his team quicker. Also I suck with melee and don't trust the hit registration one bit so bonus Uber on hit one time a game just doesn't stack up to double passive healing.

I do love the Amputator solely because it's saved me from afterburn damage a few times. Better to stay alive than to die and take time to respawn, y'know? But it's like you said, extremely situational. I don't utilize melee a lot as I'm definitely more of a dedicated healer. Chances are if melee is out, I accidentally switched from my primary or medigun. That's why I use Amputator, I don't utilize the melee to have the Ubersaw upside be useful. I plan to replace and try a Vitasaw instead of my Amputator when I try it too, since it's a passive buff for something I very rarely pull out.

Amazing work on the video, really entertaining and informative! 👏

As someone who really likes the amputator... yeah it sucks. The damage penalty comes to bite you quite often and the increased regen when held is almost never useful outside of being on exceptionally low health with afterburn/bleed, in other cases its just better to continue medigun and crossbow healing. You really do have to use the taunt so conservatively to not get yourself decked that most rounds you bring it into, you wont even get good use out of the taunt, if using it at all! The one point it has at least is ease of use for group healing - but even then, usually if everyone is hurt in such a location a popular location, a dispenser can do the area healing just fine and supplement your own healing. In the 0.2% of situations the amputator works, it really, really works, but the other 99.8% of the time, it really just doesn't have a reason to be in your melee slot What pains me is, i dunno how one would properly fix/change the amputator without different problems arising. Maybe it could have a meter which is drained on taunt, and the more of the meter is drained, the better the taunt (e.g. bigger aoe, maybe slight damage resistance)? It might just end up feeling like some awkward discount ubercharge, though Ramblings aside, good video! Pretty well encapsulates the position medic is in. I also had never thought about the vitasaw in the way you compared it to the ubersaw (in part because I just don't think about the vitasaw at all lmao)

im surprised you didnt talk about the bonesaw, which i think is either the best or second best melee weapon. you might think that the ubersaws -20% isnt that impactful but not having a slower firing speed is crucial for medics melee, especially as a last resort (or as a combat medic). i do prefer the ubersaw when im using the default medgun. however with the krietzkrieg and the vaccinator having faster build-ups the bonesaw becomes the better option in my opinion.

I think the Medic HAS to be bad at head-to-head combat, because of his strong support. He is designed to rely on his teammates protection, and in exchange, he helps them, therefore rewarding them for their protection. As a contrast, Engineer is not designed to support one person at a time. He supports the team a a whole, and because there is no direct „benefit“ to protecting an Engie Nest (other than common courtesy), he is equipped with means of self defense, the shotgun and pistol.

one of the saddest thing as a pocket soldier in casual is staring at ur medic slowly healing you from 20 health to full and while he is doing that u stare at him and press the inspect button and realise his ass is running the blutsauger and not the cross bow X__X

excellent video mate! you captured your opinions well and the segments were all the perfect length!

This video is very well edited. I particularly liked that intro, creative and fun.

Amazing video man, I was M A N I C the milked engie and taunting soldier. Originally I was gonna skip to me but your video really hooked me! Good stuff mate

Thinking about this, maybe it would be interesting to give spy some more diversification as all of his unlocks are basically the same playstyle. Perhaps you could have something like the icicle knife but can be used on team mates, perhaps a vial or actual syringe? Once used it would give a buff or heals and then have to recharge. It would be a great addition to gun spy I feel and would solidify his role as a more unique and interesting character.

great editing man! def gonna watch more of your content this was great

I want a rythm based aoe drum kit, so you heal through music, like what the amputator want to be an ubering would be as effective since you're providing more health. Maybe like a small dmg resistance, speed boost, and dmg buff. Something along the lines of the game BPM I'd say you would do you're best to hit notes while being mid battle. It would also make the music of TF2 a more active part of the game as I feel like it isn't used actively in the game and more so on promotional pieces and the lobby.

This vid deserves way more views, algorithm better do it justice

One thing the crusader’s crossbow also has over every other medic primary is something not even listed on the weapon itself. It passively reloads itself, you can heal someone with a crossbow, switch to your medigun and when you switch back your crossbow is already reloaded

This man is going PLACES

I'm a medic main but one gripe I have with the class is lack of weapon variety. The only real good weapons are the Crossbow and the Ubersaw, or Amputator if you're not feeling lucky at 2Fort. Beyond that, you get to choose between 4 different mediguns that do a similar thing. It sucks because people come up with these great concepts that could really shake up the meta but Valve doesn't seem to care. I'd like to say they're too busy fixing the bot problem but it's too optimistic for me. I still like him because he plays a vital role in whether the team wins or loses. It's a natural fit because why spend so many hours practicing at tr_walkway every day when I can hop in, heal my teammates and have them shoot the bad guys for me?

8:32 I sometimes like to play games with bots using default weapons, and whenever I play Medic I go through at least 1 situation each game where I accidentally pull out my syringe gun as if it was the crossbow

that whole intro montage was absolutely incredible

I think that Medic needs some attention to not only does he have some minimal amounts of weapons in his disposal The devs should accept the workshop weapons for Medic that should really benefit the class & undoubtedly would be a big improvement for the Medic

In 5:53, I couldn't agree more. The sheer damage of explosives will completely destroy you before you could heal yourself, even if it was all splash damage. The taunt from the Amputator suffers from that also, as you've said, teammates get deadly damaged in mere milliseconds. I strongly agree that Valve could think about other alternative weapons so the other classes can give more support - even creating new sub-classes, who knows? I feel like playing medic is cool, I am used to the support hole from other games I've played. But it can get rather boring indeed. The time to kill issue is more towards the classes that won't do massive damage in one go - such as Scout or Pyro. However, I do feel like those two are constantly overshadowed in "sweaty casual" modes, as most of the high level players - that just want to stomp the enemy team - use power classes, so I think theres a lot of room for discussion on that. However, I've never had issues with the Vaccinator - It is a great counter for a team full of demos-spam and Soldiers that will just splash you to death. I do main Pyro, but when I see a Vaccinator, I just change my secondary from the Detonator to the regular shotgun. I feel like the Vacc is more of a weapon made to force the enemy team to deal damage from different sources, and I'm all up for that. The only thing about medic that truly gets me mad is the overhealing mecanic. It is a nice idea, helping some classes to withstand more damage, but the way that "Pocket Healing" doesn't get any drawback to both Medic and "Pocketed" just feels wrong. It is so common to enter a mixed lobby with red team being stomped, while blue has 2 players with 70+ points and the rest is on their 20-ish. It's so easy to make a Heavy become a "mini boss", as it gets to do massive damage via 'random crits" and won't ever die (only to backstabs and completely fully charged headshots, but that seems rather impossible when the russian guy does that much damage).

The syringe guns are an SMG with 40 bullets if you use them well, as a syringe gun enjoyer I find myself *switching to blutsauger, overdose or even stock* just to keep up my survivability against flanking classes It doesn't matter if a medic can heal 400 health in 10 seconds if he only lives for 15 seconds

you re videos have alot of work put into them , good job.

The unsung hero of a timeless game - A class who can break the stalemate of a stagnant fight, at the burden of seeing a red cross icon on everyone. Those who main medic I dont know how you do it, but keep fighting the good fight

If you keep on making videos like this you will easily make it as a sawed after tf2 youtuber, you already are in our eyes (SpyTiCole, I made a new account named spy for yt content creation)

I personally hardly play as medic, but when I do, I use the Overdose, Quick Fix and Amputator, but mostly when there's already another medic with the stock medigun, since usually they pocket one player, so I am mostly the one that helps keep the team alive while they are the one that help push the objective

Heavy easily the hardest class, medic is mid

dat outro music with the medic turning around at the end is just... *chefs kiss*

This video is great ! This video deserves at least the same amount of views as your last one !

something i'm surprised you didn't mention since you ranted so much about the amputator is the fact that the extra passive healing is even more niche than it sounds like it would be problematic enough if it was simply that you had to pull it out to get the extra healing, but medic's passive healing doubles while you heal someone with the medigun, so 3-6 depending on how long it's been since you got hurt so realistically it only matters if you have no teammates around you

Amputator needs a buff. Maybe a scale up in range and healing per second based on ubercharge %.

Just wanted to say that the effort that obviously goes into editing these videos is amazing! Especially considering you have less than ten thousand subscribers!

Very good video I thoroughly enjoyed watching it

I’d give the crossbow the equalizer treatment where the damage and healing side of the crossbow are split into separate weapons, so you actually have to commit to sacrificing survivability for better healing potential

i find it quite satisfying yet challenging to play medic, he is one of my favourite classes to play and feels very rewarding to do so. i really dont get how people dont like playing medic

A little disappointed you didn't talk about the solemn vow. It does relate to the main point of medic being rigid to play in casual, but free passive information vs 25% on hit incentives you to take less risks with your melee and go for cheeky picks with the crossbow. It's a breath of fresh air to medic's meta.

This is the single most underrated video I've ever seen

2:14 what about the engie? Honestly I think he is even more unique than the med, and that a lot of people would agree on that.

1:26 For me its generally because the people I heal might not be the brightest, it can get annoying even though it's just a video game. Usually pushing the cart is easier provided your team actually do push the cart, a close by central location to easily support

weird thing nobody talks about: the overdose is a direct upgrade to stock since its only downside is doing a single point of damage less and that hardly comes into play

I think making stock (or all) needleguns heal teammates would be a good start. Then medics could pick the crossbow for single target, long range, burst heal or the needlegun for long range, sustained, spray-into-the-team healing.

Love to see bing soy in this

absolute banger

In tfclasic custom weapons, theres a needle gun that marks for death, mix it with the quick fix and a melee that can burst heal and you get this neat aggro medic pushing the front lines to pick with marked for death

Holy shit I thought you had around 100k subscribers. I didn't expect you to be so small and at the same time with such quality just from the intro.

Tried using stock syringes yesterday. It was. Not very fun. I remember I used to know how to use it but ultimately it just wasn't worth it. As for the Ubersaw. Which I am sure you'll mention. I just don't like how it makes the entire game about uber. It causes this obsession with the charge that makes playing with serious medics quite annoying particularly if you were playing medic yourself.

the thing about the amputator's taunt is that there isnt a cap on the teammates you can heal if you're playing casual, theres enough people around you that it's faster 50% of the time to just use the taunt and get them up to full, or at least to a reasonable number of health if you're playing highlander, your team will likely be around you a lot of the time, making you vulnerable to splash damage. instead of having to individually heal all your teammates, you can pull out the amputator and get them all up to full in around 4 seconds if you're playing 6s, yeah its pretty bad even using the taunt once is good for healing. it'll get your team up to a level they wont get 1 shot by 7/9 classes, and 4 seconds isnt a very long time. most of you complaints about it seem to stem from using it _during_ team fights, in which it's a very poor choice a majority of the time. amputator shines when your team retreats, or has just won the fight. yes. its not better than the ubersaw. ubersaw is better. however, what you're implying is that it's so much worse than the ubersaw, that you _cant_ pick it seriously. nothing and no-one is holding you at gunpoint to make you pick ubersaw. pick amputator if you _like_ using it. pick vita-saw if you _like_ using it. pick blutsauger if you _like_ using it. if you want to be consistantly effective, make a team of all snipers, then headshot everyone on the enemy team when they round the corner. - #1 amputator stan

I specifically *avoid* the Meta. I don't use the Crossbow much. I stick with the Overdose, Blutsauger if I want to go ham, Syringe Gun if I need self defence. I use whatever medi-gun my team needs, whenever. I mostly try not to stack on the same medi gun. My melee is almost always the amputator, though sometimes I go insane with the bonesaw, or use the solemn vow for information. Vita Saw if I can get lucky hits in.

Re the overdose: it's only worth using in tandem with the quick fix, as the reduced overheal encourages hopping from player to player rather than being stationary, so the extra speed helps there. You also get more out the speed boost with the quick fixes faster uber rate. Great video btw

battle medic with the blutsauger is actually quite fun when the rest of your team can't do jack.

A while ago i made a concept for a healing-capable attack class for tf2. the class would've been called "the Rifleman" the Rifleman would have about 175 hp and would be as fast as pyro, engineer and sniper. the Rifleman would come equipped with a rifle which fires in semiauto and deals below-average damage at close to medium range, but has less falloff than most weapons, making it better at longer ranges. the class has a resource meter, which is used by the Rifleman's PDA. the resource meter fills passively at a slow rate, but can be accelerated by dealing damage with the rifle the PDA can produce small ammo boxes for 25% of the meter, medium health kits for 50% of the meter and minicrit canteens for 100% of the meter. the Rifleman functions as a more independent support class than medic, as well as being capable of laying down suppressive fire against snipers.

For a channel with only two videos you sure are good at this shit. Subscribed

Loved the bach music in the intro

did you use a toy story 2 clip and then add a fucking source in the bottom left as if there were a human on this earth who watches this channel who doesnt know what toy story 2 is

what makes the amputator even worse is that medic's regen is DOUBLED when healing a hurt teammate with their medigun, which incentivises medics to heal with their medigun when hurt instead of burst healing with the crossbow or... pulling out the amputator also imo the solemn vow is the safest and most consistent melee option. its unique in that its upside (of seeing enemy health) is ALWAYS useful, regardless of whether you make a swing at an enemy, or bothered to use the amputator. getting into melee range with an enemy as medic is rare, so it's not guaranteed that you hit someone with the ubersaw. it's a great option for medics to know their limits and not rush into 5 enemies to get le funny +25% uber

On the amputator, from a fellow medic main; If it were that you had to fill some sort of meter to use the taunt, and the healing of the taunt was the same as healing all those in the AOE with the quick-fix, it would be *way* better. Maybe you had to heal 500 health to use it, it would need some testing so who knows how the meter would be filled, but if it were like that maybe it would surpass the Ubersaw. Not like any of this matters though, *unless a steam workshop creator is reading this and made a community fix for the summer update.*

The reason why I think the medic meta is so stale is because of the fact that he already has the best options available, a long range heal and a melee that grants 1/4 of uber, other weapons became irrelevant due to how great the 2 are, the only thing I can see as at least an option are mobility, manuervability and survivability.

Amazing video, watch it blow up very very soon.

I like your editing style.

So somehow i missed this video and since i found it today im just going to assume it was a birthday present. Amazing video, we probably need a medic update after the heavy one. Also we have the same brand of coffee machine except mine is fancier and the grinder is part of the machine, it also auto tamps by pulling a lever down. (very good tamping though)

It was when I slowly burned to death in front of what looked like a decent-moderately experienced Pyro I was actively healing and screaming for help at that I truly understood why no one plays medic

The thing I'd like most from Medic is to buff the blütsager and overdose to be on equal footing to the crossbow to give an alternative for when your team isn't doing a great job defending you, kinda like how Engi can equip the shotgun for when his team won't help him keep his buildings up

Theory-Y Studios made videos of how to buff both the Melee and Primary weapons, as well as buffing quick fix and nerfing vaccinator. The reason I play medic is to feel like the anchor leading my team to victory. My journey started as a pyro main. During a match of badlands, a demo on my team called for medic, then stared at me. I said why not, and switched on the spot. Haven’t looked back since

I don't even know how you got 9k subs already or who you are but keep up these videos I'm loving them

i demand more videos this was great

I don’t think giving more healing to other classes is the solution. There’s a reason that pyro is the only class that has fire(no the cow mangler doesn’t count). It’s part of his identity. Same goes for medic. Besides giving the classes more healing really doesn’t fix the problem that medic has a primary and melee so superior that all the others can’t even carve out a niche. I think this is why buffing the other weapons is probably better. My ideas for some buffs for medics weapons: - Syringe guns: give the syringes more velocity. Allow them to get Uber on hit. - Vitasaw: rework the weapon completely. allow it to heal your teammates with a melee hit. - overdose: 20% speed boost all the time when the weapon is out(this was in the video) - Amputator: Give the medic the ability to cancel the taunt. Maybe bump up the heals slightly. Allow the healing from it to give overheal.

How is this video so good for a channel with just 2 videos? I am confused and i demand more videos!

I dont think uniqueness can ever be classified as a problem.

1 - What if you could move around with the amputator, but during the sad violin, you couldn't switch to another weapon? 2 - What if whenever the Blutsauger poked people, you would build up a "health bar" that when unleashed (Mouse2), could instantly heal all teammates within a certain radius? 3 - What if the standard syringe gun had "special" syringes (Mouse2) that healed teammates when you poke them (like crusader's crossbow)? 4 - What if the Ubersaw made medic's medi-gun gain uber at a slower rate instead of slowing down your swing rate? 5 - What if the Vita-saw... uh.

An idea I had for another primary weapon would be some kind of Tether, and it would allow the Medic to heal two or three people at once with the Medigun (But he can only Uber one person.) This may be buggy or dumb balance-wise but it would be a nice change up from the usual crossbow gameplay.

I found this in my recommended and when I saw you were the same man that made “how to win every fight as Medic” and saw that I didn’t sub,I pulled out the kritkregz and ubered a soldier before he missed all his rockets so I had to walk up and smack it. I can’t wait to see what you’ll soon

As a “totally not” battle medic, and medic “true” main. I can hit all my shots (missing 0-3 needles) the +3 helps a lot when I’m low and don’t wanna run for a medicpack. There have been plenty of situations where the reload of the crossbow just feels too slow, and I die while reloading. Another plus to the any of the syringe guns is “you can do chip damage” and is easy to do. just do a little flank spray about 50 needles in the area of the enemy’s (usually a cap point or payload) and run. Combining that with the blutsauger’s +3 health lowering 5 different enemy’s health by a small amount will completely fill up my health and that’s something the “meta” can’t do.

I love that the "I am the Spy!" joke lives on

3:55 YOU CAN DO THAT!!!! WHAA

Now this is high quality content

Wasnt expeting Hans "beads" Niemann here. Nice reference

bing soy appeared so im watching this entire thing twice to see if he shows up