The 76ers said to "trust the process", but was it even worth it? Follow Nonstop Instagram: / nonstop TikTok: / nonstop Twitter: / nonstop Imagery supplied by Getty Images
No it wasn’t, Although the sixers haven’t made it past the second round, they have a MVP, and has been slowly improving They had 10 wins in 2015-2016 And in 2022-2023 they were the third seed and seem to get better, so yea it worked just not as well as people thought
Don't forget they started tanking because they lost in the 2nd round. So they wasted all this time to now be in posibly worse situation - Harden (and maybe also Embiid) wanting out and no real good replacements/offers for them.
@@bradulovic82 there's a little detail missing with that 2nd round finish though. They were an 8 seed that year and only made it past the first round because Derrick Rose blew out his knee in game 1 and basically killed the Bulls spirit
Lol it was a gamble, they must have been gamblers. It's a risk they were willing to take. If their "Process" would have resulted in multiple NBA Championships, then we would all be on here talking about how genius the 76ers front office is😂
Of course it failed, but the worst part of the process is it failed in the most obvious way. You can't expect young players to develop into a championship team if the organization spends the first 3-4 years telling them winning doesn't actually matter.
@@erikbentley9005 I would check out Jimmy's interview with J.J. Redick from a few years ago. Based on the way he describes things, I don't think Butler stays even if they offer him to Tobias Harris contract.
It didn’t “fail,” they have the current MVP on their roster, and a former albeit unhappy former MVP. They’re a solid team, but they aren’t winning a championship most likely. So the question of if they failed depends on what the expectations were/are and would the alternative have been better? I would say the hope was to get beyond the second round, which they’ve failed to do. However, considering that team very likely would have ended up a bottom tier team anyone this state is better than the alternative.
@@johndebono1870From his interview I remembered he HATED coach Brett. If somehow they offered Tobias Harris max after hiring Doc and of course Embiid likes him and convince him to stay then Butler would have
Personally, I'm tired of the 76ers. I've been saying this since he threw his teammates under the bus, that I trust Victor Wembanyama, Brandon Miller,and Scoot Henderson to lead their teams to the conference finals before Joel Embiid can. Joel can't be trusted as the first,second,or third option on any team. They 4real just need to pack him and Harden up,and give the keys to the 76ers to Tyrese Maxey.
Ive been saying the same thing. Honestly, id cut him full stop. I would rather have karl malone right now knowing everything hes done than embiid,. Embaby is the worst human being to ever play in the nba
Don’t wanna get ahead of myself, but I think they are finally figuring out how to use everyone properly. After the first five games of this season, 4 guys were averaging 20+. No other team has done that in history. I’m still a little skeptical, but this is looking different from years past.
According to Mark Cuban, there were 2 VHS tapes showing Giannis. People bashing teams for not taking Giannis is ridiculous. No one had any idea he would be who he is now.
That's kinda the thing, people could've at least taken a chance, it would be a high risk but it's like they always say "You miss every shot you don't take" and Milwaukee took a shot of Giannis and are now considered a title contender in a pretty tough Eastern Conference. (Boston and Miami specifically tough)
I think Embid seems to always get a pass in this ordeal, most of the blame came onto Ben. Embid haven’t shown up in the playoffs also, weather it’s because he is hurt or he just didn’t preform, I think he deserves more consideration in the blame game.
yep, for some reason he has this barrier that protects him for getting any blame. The 1st option of the team not in the best shape, always getting injured in the playoffs and when he forces to play, he hurts the team more than helping.
As good as he can be he’s always struggled with his health and he’s one of the worst clutch players I’ve ever seen. He’s just as likely to fall down as he is to make a game winning shot🙄😆
Curious why the Markelle Fultz to Orlando trade was never even mentioned here? As an Orlando fan, I used to consider this trade a heist job by the Magic. But considering the fact that the pick they gained from the trade was used to draft Maxey, it actually turned into a huge win for Philly.
The process didn’t fail because they got exactly what they wanted out of it. A mvp caliber player which they got. The reason it failed was because of all the horrible decisions like letting jimmy walk and then handing Tobias over 100 million dollars.
@@reidbonvillain5135 So what they wanted was to make themselves the joke of the league for like 4 years so they could one guy that's currently seen as the most overrated player in the league? That just feels like the NBA equivalent of the Mission Accomplished banner.
As a sixers fan, the last few years have been torture. Losing Jimmy for Tobi or Ben might sting the worst if not for our awful drafts besides Joel. I really have no care for next season and seriously doubt we'll be up to par over the next few years. They tricked me last post season but the writing was on the wall early in the 2nd round exit. I imagine it'll be the same if not a 1st round exit this year. Also Jokic deserved the MVP over Joel.
I’m a sixers fan and the process just gave me no faith in this organization that I have loved my whole life. We could have drafted so many superstar talents, and instead we got a ton of busts. We could have been in the finals multiple times, but instead, our bad front office put together a team that couldn’t even get past the SECOND ROUND of the playoffs. We could have drafted players like Jokic, Tatum, Jalen Brown, and Donovan Mitchell, but we had a team that was built around Ben Simmons. We could have been happy, excited fans, but instead, we are all just waiting to lose in the playoffs yet again. This basketball team is absolutely miserable.
Stop with this draft bullshit. You sixers always act like Ben Simmons wasn't consensus no 1 pick. You had tons of all-star level players, problem wasn't the draft, problem was you didn't know how to develop them. Also you guys always giving Embiid a pass whenever he underperforms boosting his ego and not developing into a proper leader.
for me, if not for FULTZ INJURY(a scoring PG who will have the ball once Ben shut himself up in every 4th QT), they could be a real contender on his 2-3rd year. side note: I missed The Jump.
Picking Carter Williams ahead of Giannis was not bad, Giannis was pure raw talent. And Ben Simmons very much deserved the no 1 pick, he was incredible during his early career.
To answer the last question, yes, the process was a failure. A lot of teams had more success than the Sixers did and some won a championship without tanking the way they did during those 11 year span.
Weird how many people overlook this but its kinda obvious why embiid is a post season choker. Referees allow during playoffs for players to play more physical ball which is resulting in embiid getting less foul calls and therefore he is much less productive which makes him shut down totally cuz of that loser mentality he has. So he is literally a glorified flopper who gets exposed every playoff.
@@OkagaCaliforniahe can’t be the best player on a contending team. That requires a level of passion and intensity that he just doesn’t have. I’m not even trying to hate on him because there’s maybe 3-4 guys in the whole league who are good enough to be that guy. It’s just a reality that teams can’t seem to grasp.
Al Horford got vengeance for what? 76ers gave him a bag and then traded him back to where he was happiest. Dude probably loves the Sixers. I know his bank account does.
@@michaelpantano3324 traded him back cause he played horrible and wasn’t happy, thats a bad trade for Philly. Good for big Al, but if I’m a 76ers fan, and I have ton of friends that are, that was a wasted roster spot for that season when he was there. Danilo Gallanari last year was a complete waste of money and a roster spot cause he literally never played a single minute in the regular season
sooooooooo many missed players like i knew abt all of them but seeing this break down just like oh god and the fact that mikal bridges wanted to play for the 76ers bc he is from philly like that has got to hurrrtttt && then jimmy butler the heat gained such a great player/teammate/leader w/ him. but i have faith in embiid.
2018: "We're young, we have more time to evolve!" 2019: "We took the Raptors to game 7!" 2020: "Horford stinks!" 2021: "Simmons stinks!" 2022: "Harden needs more time to gel!" 2023: "...now what?"
That is it right there! You can have all the talent in the world if you don't create the winning type atmosphere then you won't win. Nick Nurse I believe will change that for them.
100% correct. 10 years of purposely losing creating an awful culture. That’s why Bulter wanted out. Sixers management expectation is aiming for draft picks, now winning games.
@@MrOccyc Absolutely correct. Loser like Hinkie (and the "fans" that cheered him on) think that "assets" = winning. They think sports are a mathematical equation. They fail to realize that the heart of all sports in competition and winning, NOT formulas and "assets".
To be fair, MPJ was a significant risk in terms of actually contributing due to the type of injury he suffered in collage, and I say this as a Nuggets fan.
At the time, I kept hearing how the Spurs wouldn't have had their run if not for tanking to get Duncan in order to justify perpetual tanking. The difference is that this was one season because their best player suffered a season-ending injury. David Robinson had too much integrity to stick around a situation like that. The big part that people keep missing is that tanking created a losing mentality that could never be overcome. Even when the Sixers had good players, they got rid of them for fear that their tanking would be sabotaged. A bunch of players they got rid of were key parts of championship or at least Finals runs, so it almost.seemed like they were moved because they were too good.
Coming back to this post now is great. I hate Philly with a passion, but the sixers now look fantastic. They just needed to put more trust in Maxey and get rid of James Hasbeen. The sixers are sitting on top and looking like contenders. What the sixers needed to learn is that “the process” isn’t trading for “the best” players. “The process” is growing true talent like Maxey and letting him become an all star. And now they are doing it.
Philly was an embarassment to the league with their process. They proved that even if you luck out and get a good team, the organization has been tanking for so long they didn't know how to win when it mattered. The Heat is the opposite of the Sixers and have been more exciting for the league than the Sixers. If more teams played to win, it would elevate their fanbases and there would be more interesting storylines. Once Embiid leaves, the process will have been for nothing.
"Once Embiid leaves the process will have been for nothing." The point of the process was to draft and develop an MVP caliber player, which they did. You expect him to stay for his whole career? Noone does that.
Yes, "The Process" was a failure. It started in 2012 with the 76ers getting eliminated in the second-round of the playoffs. Philly did all of that tanking, trading, and signing to end up in the same place 11 years later in 2023. It's going to be a cautionary tale for all future tanking teams. The Basketball Gods frown on long-term tanking.
@@pattycakes1439and when they did it was for 1 season, because Robinson got injured. They hit the jackpot and got a great player that’s not injury prone 💀
The league owes an apology to these fans. The process was a failure. All that losing for second round exits… they had a second round loss the year before the process
You can look at most of those players now in hindsight and say the Sixers could've drafted someone else, but at the time most of those were the right call outside of Okafor and trading away Bridges.
Nah Philly sports gotta have some sort of curse, the 76ers have to be one of the worst run franchises in the NBA. Without embiid theyd have not Made the playoffs for the entirerety of the process
I don’t know why everyone seems to ignore that fact. Simmons was just a sorry scorer. He was still a really good ball distributor and an elite defender. Philly should have stuck with him to be honest. Just take him out the game in the final 3mins
The process didnt consider shooting and true leadership. Tobias Harris? Ben Simmons? Butler made more Finals Appearances than the entire sixers roster during the process combined.
Jimmy could have saved this team. Jimmy could have saved Minnesota. Both teams stacked with young players.. but young players that are paid aren’t players that are hungry..
I wont called it a total Failed. The process itself is a great strategy and rewarding 76ers amazingly, the failed part come from the individuals and luck. If they dont tank those years they likely will be another Hornets or Magics.
@@nolimitr86 There are like 10 teams that been mediocre for the last decade. There are Hornets, Magic, Piston, Wizards, Knicks, Jazz, Trailblazers, Kings, etc. They are all at their best time of the decade still a non-contenders.
@@sticket5480 the 76ers are relevant because of an MVP Caliber player, once it GOES out the window it's wraps. It's not like they are some Lakers, Knicks or Celtics.
I’m a 76ers fan, and YES the process was a ‘failure’. Embiid (((This seasons MVP, either you like it or not)))can’t do everything by himself, I’m not just blaming Ben, but keeping Doc around to long.
@@IsaacMiller-bd8hg Yes! As a personality, he is someone that sells himself really great. I tried to believe in him but like you said 2008 is what most of us remember. He’s just don’t seem like a very intelligent Coach, I think Nick Nurse will hold everyone accountable.🙏
Embiid has a heavy work load, but is a huge playoff choker. In this last elimination game he was outscored by both Tobias Harris and Tyrese Maxey. He lacks accountability for his actions. I think everyone is underrating embiid rn because of the 2nd round exit. A lot of the criticism is warranted tho. He doesn't even need to score at the same volume as he did in the regular. His efficiency plummeting in the post-season is a real issue.
You are delusional sixers fan. Yeah, embiid cant do everything by himself, but he needs to do anything in post season instead of disappearing into thin air every season. Dude has loser mentality and its painfully obvious to everyone except delusional fans like you.
When the new regime took over for Herb Kohl in Milwaukee, we did a “process” called “OWN THE FUTURE” where our team was bad, but had the talent of Giannis, Jabari Parker and Khris Middleton. Sure it was a bumpy road, but the year the Bucks made the ECF against Toronto, the motto was now “THE FUTURE IS HERE.” Meaning it was now officially time to compete for the title. Sure it didn’t happen until 2021, but hey… it was worth it lol
They chose Tobias Harris and Ben Simmons over Jimmy Butler. Hate Embiid but the 76ers would’ve won at least one championship in the past five years with Embiid and Butler as their core duo. Butler took a bunch of role players to the 2020 and 2023 finals.
I know hindsight is 20/20 but damn, seeing it all like this is brutal. So many mistakes and misdrafts over all these years. Thank god they lucked out on Embiid, otherwise they would have been entirely irrelevant for a decade. Being 1 player away from being the pistons is never a good look…
I think one of these videos on the current OKC would be fun, but they just don’t have to wait for the process. But okc are still going, and getting better
What went wrong was dumping Hinkie right before his picks became stars. The next gm’s made awful trades, blew the assets Hinkie accumulated, blew drafts (Bridges traded for Zhaire Smith??, Trading for the 1st to select Fultz over Tatum). Awful free agency signings (letting Redick walk, signing Tobi to a max, Al Horford). I don’t blame them for the Jimmy trade bc he made it clear he didn’t want to return with Brett Brown and Simmons on the team but the sixers wanted to give him the max. Any article at the time said they were all in to have 4 max players on the team (Joel, Simmons, Butler, Harris). But Butler threw a fit and wanted out. If he bought in and they went into the luxury tax that team definitely would’ve won a chip the next season or two seeing how kawhi left and the warriors were hurt for 2 years. It was a lot of things that went wrong. Even tho Jimmy has gone to 2 finals since and lost them both he still made the wrong choice. Had he chose to stay in Philly and become the leader of the team (Sixers were going to trade Ben anyways and get a new coach) he’d have a few rings by now. Jimmy leaving made those mistakes by the gm’s in FA, drafts, and trades in general even more apparent. It just came down to letting go of Hinkie too quick and Jimmy’s ego.
Shamelessly tanking is almost never rewarded. Sell off your free agents, play your young players, find a star or two in the draft, add another via trade/free agency. You willfully lose games for five years and don’t attempt to be competitive, you create a shit environment for all these “great” players you’re drafting. Two of whom literally can’t shoot a basketball.
Is "The Process" a failure? I have to be objective and say "yes". The goal of deliberately tanking and stocking up draft picks was to build a championship winning team, so anything short of actually hoisting that Larry O'Brien Trophy is definitely considered a failure in my books. It's kind of ironic too, that before and during the Process era, the 2nd round has always been the boogeyman for this team. You blew the team up cause you are sick of being bounced in the 2nd round, waited and toiled into building a contender, and STILL get bounced in the 2nd round.
Joel isn’t good enough to lead a team to a championship, the proof is all here. You have the best coach for him and y’all blame the coach for Joel’s bad game 7’s.
Moral of the story Tanking is pretty fine until it’s actually time to start winning. Philly was perfect context getting players with value and trade them for picks only problem was that the talent they got didn’t fit together. Nor did they develop outside of Embiid. So to all those rebuild teams out there like Washington, Utah, Okc and Houston let this be a lesson
Back when simmons and embiid were rookies and sophomores, i really wanted to see the sixers get better and i remember i was perplexed on why they traded mikal. Even if Mikal leaked as an elite 3andD guy, that’s like the most ideal player you want (outside of a star)
