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These old engines were made to be rebuilt. My friend had his 170 Allis Chalmers rebuilt about 15 years ago. It was using oil and with over 5K hours on a gas engine it was time. Knock out the sleeves, hone up the cylinder, and you are good for another 5K hours. They went ahead and did the head while they were in there. Great video again. Thanks again as always.
I can’t tell you how happy I am to see you get this old girl back to good working condition. As a child (about 8) I remember the 8N was ideal for tending to gardens, pulling hay wagons, etc. that was when the 8N became my idea of what a tractor should be and should look like. I’ve loved them ever since.
If you find an N with a loader or even a bucket, it will do fine. While there's many choices out there today, the N is the most bang for your buck. I had a loader and backhoe. I still have one with a finish deck on it. In the post war housing boom, these tractors were used for everything. And they were equipped with everything. There are some tips from the old timers on set up for different applications that will makes them work better for particular jobs. Things you usually find out the hard way after you set it up. But they are work horses. A lot of people blow them up by overloading the engine instead of using gear ratio efficiency. Let gears do the work, don't load down the engine and they will run forever.
Said by a guy who has never been to Wyoming. Its ALWAYS windy there. 20mph wind is just another Tuesday. 30-40 mph wind isn't really uncommon either. Audio will always suffer when he is outside
When I was a kid we had a 8n we used for brush chopping, plowing the garden, that kind of stuff. We had to do a minor rebuild on the motor. We actually were able to do without splitting the tractor, but I remember I was in machine shop class in high school and I made a puller to pull the cylinder sleeves out. After reassembling with new parts it ran good after that and took care of the smoking and blow by problem. Love the videos and look forward to the new service truck, LOL.
A lot of cylinder liner manufacturers make a range of cylinders so your block can be bored to suit the next size up, and have enough thickness to be finished back to standard size. I have rebuilt many vintage engines that had been scrapped because they had been bored way over the maximum oversize and have always found liners to bring them back from the dead..
Oh crud muffins, A new service truck? What flavor is Blake getting this time ladys and gentlemen? Thanks for the shows Blake, the audio is fantastic and so is your attitude with the broken bits you find. I hope the new service truck works out for you.
I think we’d all like to see any and all of the rebuild process you feel like showing. I’ve yet to have to tear one completely down, even though I’ve owned and repaired several. Thanks for the great content!
Your valve removal is fine as long as you have the 1 piece valve guides and not the older setup with the mushroom head valve stems. If you plan to keep the tractor, make the investment for the valve guide tool. Also it doesn't operate through the ports. You use it through the tappet cover opening and pry the guide down to release the clip. That also gives you more leverage to remove stuck valve guides.
FYI, a good machine shop can usually get any size sleeve, valves, bearings and do on. So never panic! Also, I worked on a farm years ago and we had a few 8n's. We did everything with them, mowing raking, haul hay and corn wagons. They will do more than you can imagine! Also, put brass or stainless freeze plugs in it. I would port it a little too. Just make them smoother
I subscribed today after watching this. I have 4 1/2 of these Fords, and enjoy working on them, and watching other people fix theirs. Screw the haters, just have fun! I’m amazed every time I get into one of these Fords, at the simplicity of them, and the Engineering that went into them. It was a simpler time in America. I smile when I see somebody on their Japanese tractor that they’re so proud of, and my little Ford can do anything they can do!
Remarkable-clear,calm explanation of what you are doing and why-no gimmicks or crappy music-Someday all U Tube videos will be like this (In my dreams !)-Thankyou from a new subscriber-Bring them on !!!
Welcome to the channel, I like the fact language is "family" friendly. Blake's attitude on things, is over the top always happy with a smile. Even when things go south with projects. I'm very excited to see what the new service truck will be. BACON.
Yes please, Blake. More detailed tear down and explanation. I like to see more like this. I like to learn about old engines how the inner workings of it. And what your next step on the process. So more please!!!!
Dear Blake , Please , please , please , put all your episodes in chronological order , your work and knowledge are fascinating . Thank-you in advance Blake . P.S. "Tally -ho rebuild" has placed all his episodes in order. It makes the entire performance excellent . thanks Blake , God bless you and family.
Just found your channel. Love it! My grandpa farmed 120 acres in Iowa with an 8N, until the mid 1970s. But I have never worked on one, I was but a lad when he retired and moved to town. I have, however, owned several Ford Flathead V8s. (Still have a Model A pickup hot rod with an 8BA). Looks like valve assemblies and a lot of other stuff might be the same on tractors and car motors. Good thing I live in town, or I would want an 8N!
Looking forward to seeing the service truck! I don’t mind super detail, but I don’t need it personally. I’m gonna watch no matter what though because you always provide good advice and it is usually relatable to other jobs I might actually need to do on my equipment.
Nice work on the disassembly of the motor. Sadly, sometimes you have to improvise when you don't have the needed tool on hand. You just have to be very careful when doing that. Looking forward to hearing how things turn out once the block makes the trip to the machine shop. The service truck ends up being. Stay safe.
Amazing how many parts are available for these old machines. My 43 2N (SadieMae) dropped #1 sleeve in the middle of a snow storm while plowing. Same parts found inside the pan. Crank needed turning, front cover was broke, ect, ect. Hardest part of my rebuild was the rope seals. Also wonderful is the parts interchangeability of the 9N,2N and 8N. Enjoy!
what I found interesting is how cheap the rebuild kits for that tractor is, a great beginning tractor project for someone just getting started, for under $500 have a rebuilt engine in a tractor is a amazing.
Lucky it is one of the 8n with adjustable valves! the Earlier ones had a mushroom head on the valves and could not go through the valve guide, with out the valve guide coming out! Just for trivia sake, That diamond shape area on the block behind where the governor sits is where they could punch through and tape a couple of bolt holes and put a fuel pump in that block. They used that same block in the first Army jeeps in WW2 and they also put that same motor in some trucks!
Two things. You will obviously have to resleeve this block. I hope you will do another video so we can see how that goes. Also being as how the block will need to be resleeved why worry about the scoring in the existing sleeves? As a teen I had several flat head fords (showing my age) so I'm enjoying your video, and wouldn't you know I worked on them allot. What can I say - they were Fords. Thanks for the great videos.
This engine is basically just half of a 239 flathead V8. The valve train and pistons are identical. NAPA and others sell pistons that drop right in with the sleeves removed. Just hone the block and go! Or get V8 pistons in about any oversize you need. In addition, the starter and the oil pump gears are from the little 60 HP flathead V8.
I'd still have looked for a replacement engine, unless you have a buddy in the machine shop who won't charge you as much as he would usually. I too know the feeling of wanting to save as much of a machine as possible, I actually wept when I got home after sending my favorite car to the crusher when I wrecked it. Saw a hole in the block of the SUV I bought, and thought about fixing it, but there really wasn't a chance, it had lost all of its oil, the bearings were gone, as was the rest of the engine.
Ya those old light tractors were never made for a front end loader, I have a 1953 Massy Harris Mustang that had a loader , shes got a few cracks in the front frame because of the loader lol. Loader is removed and the Tractor is being rebuilt. But has the original 3 point hitch, which will stay. Some of the valves were stuck on it as well, one guide did come out with one valve, actually had to remove the cam shaft to get a brass punch from the bottom and drive the valve and guide out through the top.
Nice work on the tare down. I'm kinda excited for the new service truck. Also using the 8N for land work is exactly what I would use it for. They make great tractors to run a box blade/landscape rake with.
Happy to see the new video posted. I hope for your sake the wrong sleeves were installed last rebuild. Hard to think that might have happened, but maybe better that than something else more damaging. For detail, up to you. Not being an N fan, I don't have much interest in major details. General is enough for me. Side note, we just got our Kubota back from the mechanic -full engine rebuild including Boring the new sleeves. Runs smooth, quieter, even. Soon will be putting it to work if we can get around a very low or toasted battery.
You are doing a good job just the way you are doing. If someone needs more detail I am sure there are plenty of videos out there that do provide plenty of detail.
Super nice job I love watching these old tractors come back to life. I only shuttered when you were pounding the guides out on the engine stand, that actually scared me a little. I was waiting for the engine to break off and the block crack when it hit the concrete floor. I was hoping you'd put a 2x4 under the end, but it worked out for you. Thanks for sharing. Best Wishes & Blessings. Keith Noneya PS I do some of that. "Do as I say, not as I do" on my channel too! LOL. Thumbs up!
Word to the wise, use the old governor housing and arms. Rebuild it, do whatever. If the flange is cupped, it’s worth it to have it machined flat again because holy shit can a new one be a bear to get right. In my experience you’ll have idle and wide open, no in between. You can’t adjust the arms like the old ones could be. If you’ve never dived in to an N before, they’re easy but that governor will give you fits. I learned the hard way, pretty sure the frustration took time off my life.
Love my 49 8N! Biggest problem I have with mine is that it's geared way too high, and I'm on the lookout for a Sherman step-down transmission. The tractor pulls a three-bottom Dearborn plow just fine, but the PTO driven rototiller is ineffective with the way she's geared. Gonna lose the bucket, but going to leave the hydraulic pump that's mounted to the front of the crank, and plumb lines to the back where it'll be useful. For busting down the overgrown pasture, the brush hog works great, but I'm going to have to get off my butt and get an overriding clutch for the PTO, as I'm really tired of having to snap it out of gear and wait for things to stop rotating at the end of the pasture! Hope the block on yours is salvageable. Would like to see more detail when you put it back together. Mine gets it's biggest workout moving snow with the blade in the winter. Trying to figure a way to put it on the front of the tractor though, as pushing stuff in reverse is mighty tough and I run out of room pulling the blade.....still better than using a shovel to get Momma's car out! Are you planning to install the new sleeves yourself, or have the machine shop do it? Either way, I'd like to watch that procedure. Have fun, don't git caught!
I've just acquired a 1951 8N! Your video guides have been great so far. Looking forward to the 12V swap video! I'll have to have a machine shop rebuild the engine for me, no experience with that stuff.
That the type of tractor I learned to drive when I was ten. After that the Jubilee was a much better tractor. It was like driving the space shuttle compared to an 8N. I worked a lot of summers at my grandfathers farm in South Georgia. I pulled tobacco sleds, corn wagons, and even plowed and mowed on occasion. I got paid the same as all the workers on his 2,500 acre farm - $4 a day. I learned how to grease the tractor every day before cranking it up. Checking the oil and the grill for debris was my first chore. My grandfather was a retired roundhouse superintendent for the A B& C railroad, so he was a real taskmaster and an excellent mechanic.
Note: if your going to sleeve the block, always do all the cylinders at one time, never do a hit and miss job. The blocks at the machine shop already it is simply less costly in time and money in the long run to do it all. The added benefit is the shop can measure, shot peen and test all bores for concentricity and any hidden damage the old sleeves maybe hiding before the costly machining steps. At the 10:50 time mark there appears to be a horizontal crack across the dividing web between the valve set galleys.
The greatest expectation continues to be enjoying your various projects or problem solving. Much nicer now with improved audio quality. Does a service truck need to be all a model year new and shiny to boot? Or may a service truck be a functional workshop on wheels? Hint: tending towards the latter. As your time may permit with the rebuild of this engine, perhaps some detail of how an orderly rebuild comes together, without adding days to the rebuild. -Bob...
Okay I'm guessing the cleaned up and reworked valve guides will stay in place when you lap the recut valve seats and valves. Never had to go this far with my old NAA tractor. When I was an apprentice aircraft mechanic one journeyman I worked with was a PITA, if he used a nut driver you better use a nut driver not a socket and extension on a ratchet handle.
Enjoyable video but I like detail and lets face it, it would make more content. Keep up the good work. FYI I had the pleasure to meet Guy in Wy at OWL roundup and what a nice guy.
You will have a like new engine when done. Next rebuild will be the hydraulic pump. The reason 8n tractors are still around after 70 years is because the are easy to repair and they are reliable parts are available and cheap. An 8n in great shape goes for 2800 or less . Great value for the money.
I like your way it shows use what you have ... I'm looking at a Ford 8N it runs but only on 3 cylinders old if it do to valve stuck or what just yet but watching your video helps
I would not worry about what someone says. I build and disassemble stuff my way. I use what makes it the easiest for me, based upon my experience and the tools I have readily at hand. BFH’s are excellent tools. What as that four cylinder out of? An 8N, OR A jubilee type?
I cross my fingers for you the engine is good because I would like to see you doing work with that tractor around your place. I like those older tractor
Hi Blake , I believe that’s your name if not I am sorry. This might be too late as your videos are not next day published. If it turns out that the stock block is toast, think of an upgrade. When I was a kid years ago in Wisconsin there was a guy that just for the fun of it put a flat head V-8 in an 8N. Plowing was never to hard now. There was a company called Funk that built kits for the conversion . It takes extra work. The hood needs to be widened, the grill needs same treatment. But then you have the power to use a step/step down between the clutch and the transmission. Would really make a fun little chore tractor, and a conversation piece. I am waiting to see how the engine/tractor turns out. I’m sure you can handle it.
Back in the 70s I grew up in South Louisiana and Baton Rouge the ingersoll-rand dealer Rebuilt and did machine work on those 9 N they have a air compressors that Ron cast-iron sleeves and it made excellent re-built That worked well
As for removing the front cover, the proper order of the ball, spring and rod is ball first, spring in the middle and rod to the outside and that cover nut? I won't be rebuilding one of those engines, just curious. This video was very enjoyable. You were very relaxed, as you explained.
Blake really enjoyed the tear down and like the rest will enjoy the detail build. I asked before and wasn't sure if the four cylinder was your choice of power for this tractor. The service truck will be interesting in if it will be able to provide a compressor, generator, welder and typical service necessary for servicing remote operations. Also were you able to upgrade lights and insulation on the Massey Ferguson for winter operations?
thx.... very cool to watch and learn a thing or two.... i wish all jobs could be relaxing and not so stressful.... anywho i tell all my co workers that i come to work to make friends and have fun .... lol...
Interesting, because the guy messing with the drag line crane fitted a new valve spring with the head on. I’ve never tinkered with one where the guides come out. (Except by pressing)
You can service flathead valve springs without removing the head, but since this needs a complete overhaul the lock has to be stripped down for machining.
@@GuyinWY for sure :o) Hot jet wash the oil galleries while in there as well. That one bit me on the ass a few times :o Stupid dried up carbon is a menace!
I can really understand the decision to avoid using the pneumatic and or electric tools and instead using spanners and wrenches while without no deadlines working working with things. It is satisfying taking a 1 1/2 inch spanner instead of a socket and a pneumatic machine. 1 1/2 inch is the bolt diameter so the hex head is 2.4 inch.... ie whitworth...
An 8n or 9n will need front end weights if you're going to use a rear hay spear. I have a ford 641, and when it lifts a round bale, the front end goes up and I have to steer with the brakes. Not the easiest way to drive down the road.
I try to tell my buddy about small engine repair, that if it takes him 10hrs to repair a 150 dollar blower, weed whacker, etc, from Home Depot, just tell the customer to go buy a Stihl and don't waste their money. They will thank you and still return, maybe not if they own a Stihl, but they will respect you and recommend you to others.
