I love Wing Chun. I have been training it for 11 years now. I have used it for self defense. Pressure testing so many times with my BJJ, Karate guys and Boxers friends. What I have come to learned, is that you have to learn to adopt to make your style, skills and whatever is you are doing in life to work. Love this video
@@christiancreasy5268 Yes. WC can and does work especially once the practitioner has several years invested (has actual kung fu). Pressure testing is always important for success in any art or style. Wing Chun principles are just sound fight physics and proper geometry and are brilliant when applied to every style
Well said! Wing Chun works when you don't use it like you're trying to look like a kung fu cinema movie. It's really knowing how to apply those base structures from any position in close and release devasting power. Done right it's pretty brutal and ugly, but it gets the job done quickly.
Wing chun works best when: 1. You are very close- fist should be close enought to hit the head. 2. You are constantly moving forward. 3. Your hands and arms are toughened by hitting stones/sand wooden man. 4. You surprise the enemy.
I agree with your views on Wing chun. To with a real-life fight, you must have real-life training. I believe the practitioner should do some random real-life attack and defend drills. An attacker will not give you a heads up On attacking you. There are those who would disagree. However, when you randomly get attacked and your ass gets handed to you, you'll wish you were more prepared. Thank you for sharing 😌 🫸🤛
@@mattnobrega6621 Yes! And although preparedness and situational awareness are actually THE most important in self defense situations because they are the most boring they are sort of overlooked. As for me and the Crane & Cobra way we try to always be prepared and we train many different ways both sport and trad. martial arts and in the way of self defense for nasty real world unfair assaults.
Up to the first point of this video: other fighters and their martial arts share the same principles as Wing Chun. So basically, Wing Chun and combat sports have same concepts and principles, but if you learn those concepts in Wing Chun, you then have to learn how to apply it correctly. But in combat sports, you can just learn something, then use it. So difference? You have to take an extra step before being able to use Wing Chun properly. Second, Wing Chun teaches you fundamental postures right off the bat. Kind of like combat sports that teach you stance and footwork right off the bat. Anyone that says that Wing Chun stance is stupid is not entirely their fault. Those people fail to realize that there is a training stance and a fighting stance. They are talking about the training stance, the horse stance if you will. And so another problem appears, why train the horse stance when you won't use it? would the time spent using the horse stance be better used to train the fighting stance? Defend from the hook by just ignoring it an going straight in? A good way to knock your opponent out while getting knocked out yourself. Chi Sau is not a real fight. Nothing wrong with that statement. Difference between speed bag and Chi Sau, is the intent. The intent of Chi Sau is to apply the concepts. No one claims that the speed bag is for fighting, it is to train timing. Training the speed bag is the same as training footwork. No one claims that jumping rope and heavy bag is for a fight, Chi Sau is criticized because it is the closest thing that Wing Chun gets to fighting. Combat sports have sparring. Why do we spar? To compensate for the fact that training the bag isn't fighting, and that it is the closest we can get to fighting without hurting each other. Plus, skipping rope is cardio training. Nothing to do with fighting. Speed bag, again, is for timing. Heavy bag, is to test techniques at full strength. Other bag types can be used the same way as the Wing Chun dummy. I'll give you a point for talking about the speed. But it trades power for it. Same as to how combat sports trade speed for power instead. So both styles are just a different approach at fighting. That aggressiveness would probably overwhelm an untrained person, but then against mma fighters and are trained to not flinch even if a punch with the power of a baseball bat behind it is heading towards them. Thank you for mentioning the philly shell. I don't appreciate how you say, "why do this instead of that". Both are just different ways of fighting. Philly shell is a stance for out fighters, people that don't like to get in close. You then have in fighters, brawlers and punchers that like to get in close. The latter uses the same principles as Wing Chun. to overwhelm the opponent. So again, staying outside, and going forward is just preference. Illegal striking. Everyone knows how to use them. That is why they are illegal. We banned them because mma fighters know how to use them. If MMA fighters didn't know how to eye gouge, groin strike, why would it be banned? Eye gouging is just a jab with your fingers. Groin striking is just a regular kick aimed to the groin. But then again, sure. Wing Chun trains "dirty" moves. (Didn't mean dirty as disrespect. It is just how it is called. I do panantukan and its nickname is literally filipino dirty boxing). And so yes, illegal moves are very effective, but then you look at it and realize that those are just regular fighting techniques taht target illegal body parts. And so do you need to pay someone to tell you that you can do these moves. Just watch a YT video about sensitive body parts and illegal combos. the "You can't leanr without a master" sentence doesn't work in this scenario, because you already know how to hammer fist, how to jab, how to kick. It is just like playing the piano, and learning a new song from a youtube video. You don't need a master. You love sparring. But are you going to keep it or not? Because sparring is used a pressure testing. Sure, I can take out my heavy bag, put it on a ground and pound and hit it until I gas out, but would I be able to execute that in a fight? probably, but probably not as well. So please include sparring in your class. For your sake and the client's. There is nothing to loose from sparring. No time is wasted. Anyways, good cover of Wing Chun. You sold its strengths pretty well. I practice WC as a complement. But I am aware of the weaknesses of Wing Chun.
@@hellohennessy3462 Not a bad breakdown, sir. Appreciate the thoughtfulness. However, there IS sparring and full contact fighting in WC and it’s called Gor Sau. The main problem with most people’s perception of WC is that it is ineffective because they saw some guy beat another guy…but didn’t we all see Muhammad Ali get beat by Larry Holmes, and later we saw Holmes get beaten by Tyson(?) Two points here - just because an individual loses it does Not invalidate a style of fighting. Boxing is still effective although Ali lost! It’s more about the individual fighter and how intelligent and conditioned they are at the time and how they employ the tactics. Secondly, Every person, even the GOATs (Greatest of all time) will fail and fall if they stay in the game long enough. The hungrier challenger, the up and comers eventually beat the former champ (unless they duck and then retire) it’s the way of all nature, meaning just because they lost it does not demean an entire system or style of fighting…except in many online people’s viewpoints towards Kung fu lol 🤦♂️. The people that mock kung fu while uplifting, say, BJJ or some other art must not know history or much about genuine kung fu. It would be like learning to fight from your father and then mocking how your grandfather fought even though he’s the one who taught your father how to fight! Good WC has just as many joint locks or more than Bjj and most people have no idea that it does. It’s like after everyone started to blend styles after Bruce Lee’s teachings and then once the UFC came out people uplift a couple arts above all others and that’s a narrow and closeminded viewpoint that can get them hurt especially when we are talking Sport vs nasty crime in the streets with numerous assailants and weapons and uneven surfaces etc! Thanks again for your comment
@@hellohennessy3462 I agree. However, sparring and even full on sport fighting as seen in the UFC is still not the same as self defense (and the teaching of self defense should be different from the teaching of sports like Muay Thai and BJJ etc.) It should be noted that Timed rounds and little resets happen all throughout sport combat but not nearly as much in real street fighting or violent encounters. Those that spar often (and I do) sometimes fail to realize the cons of sparring just as those that do not spar must realize the cons of omitting that part of training
I don't really see how times rounds would affect much. I have never seen anyone waiting for the bell or even consider it. Resets? Same thing. No one hopes for a reset. You have competitions with and without resets. Fighters that usually participate in competitions with resets will fight in competitions without resets without any problems at all. Moreover, most schools even tell you to be careful during a reset as your opponent can throw a cheap shot at you. And those resets where the ref gets involved can happen in the street with the intervention of bystanders, cops. For sparring, I will be talking about hard sparring as it is the closest you can get to a real fight. I don't see many or any cons at all. Can you list me some? The fact that people keep their distance may seem like a con to you, but to others, keeping a distance is a strategy. This is just a question of preference. In most CCTV footage of succesful self defense is someone, backing up and keeping their distance. There are also many wher ethe defender just rushes in. Both works. Now to the lack of sparring. A con would be the lack of unpredictability. When drilling, you expect the same moves over and over. When drilling, you don't give it your all as the partner to the other one. If you attack and the other counters, you just let it happen. I see it too many times in self defense videos where the attacker just freezes after his hand gets grabbed. The lack of sparring doesn't exhaust you as much. Just being face to face with someone will drain you. I remember my first time sparring, even without attacking or moving that much, I was exhausted after 2 minutes despite my cardio training. Sparring just gives you the unpredictability of a fight, the physical and mental exhaustion of a fight, and the simple fact that your opponent also wants to beat you. Now, I have always had in mind an alternative to sparring that I came up with when watching Jeet Kune Do, and HEMA. A semi sparring drill, where 1 person is the defender and the other the attacker. it may seem generic, BUT, the attacker is instructed to do anything he can to take out the defender, while the defender must only focus on defensive and countering. You can change it up a bit, but the core concept is to have 2 people trying to win. This will effectively simulate the short duration of a streetfight, include the unpredictability of fighting an opponent, and the competitiveness where your attacker is actively trying to take you out.
@@hellohennessy3462 I’ll do a video soon on the pros and cons of sparring when viewed through the lens of self defense. Sport combat and self defense certainly overlap but are still different animals and should be taught differently. For example there’s loads of bjj guys walking around thinking they know about self defense when in reality they could get clobbered by a second or third man jumping into the streetfight as they get caught on the ground. Training for self defense is different from training for sport. I love and practice both because that’s a win-win but we mustn’t confuse real violence with sport fighting.
Wing Chun makes the most sense after you get to the weapons. It no longer becomes limited to close quarters it, fully feels kung fu-ey. It is the practical application of your structure, shifts, & basic footwork. Even elbow distance, stops u from cutting yourself with the knives. If a guy is standing in ma with a tan Sau up, facing a MMA guy & he gets dumped on his head. He is a rookie who has a little idea of the style.
The same truths from the 1929 National Tournament in China where proved again in Modern MMA. If you have no sparring, clinch, or grappling you will most likely lose. I just mention this because we have s great system for sparring against other arts now in Kung Fu. There is MMA and Sanda. Make use of these and don't just rely on what you learn in a classroom.
I like wing chun because it is very complete. If you are fit and train regularly then you should be able to handle just about anything short of people who fight for a living. Trolls love to go with the do that against a UFC fighter line. Truth is that it does not matter what martial arts you practice, if you are training as an amateur and you face a professional you can just about guarantee that you will lose.
@@stevemeisternomic Yes. And most never draw the very real distinction between Sport vs Real life or death self defense. There IS a difference in training and in application. Wing Chun is incredibly well thought out with proper physics and geometry. Great stuff
@@VicNorth2023 And if the person actually knows what they’re doing it works against many other arts too because the 5 principles are universal and align with proper physics and all humans move the same way.
@@craneandcobraclosecombat Imposing restrictions on a style can and does limit the style. A circle will beat a linear move AND a linear move will beat a circle. Ducking and weaving are absent. A lot of Wing Chun training is practicing with Wing Chun opponents. From a street capability standpoint the chances of being up against another Wing Chun practitioner are remote!
@@VicNorth2023 After the Biu Jee level is learned there are no “restrictions” imo. My main Wing Chun Sifu (Grandmaster Jody Hill) taught us that when we perform the big circling arm movements and the bend over and touch the floor part, in addition to fighting applications, it also signals that anything goes if or when necessary within that space - meaning we can duck or bend over or extend our arms way out, etc! As I said, genuine Wing Chun has universally brilliant fight concepts and those 5 amazing principles mixed with wise and speedy physics and movements that can work well on the ground grappling, or fighting against a boxer (although large gloves are a disadvantage) or against other styles although, traditionally, it is a self defense and Not a combat Sport.
@@ifoundthistoday WC has power but it takes years to learn. I agree many end on ground because someone is knocked out (other than that the idea “most fights go to the ground” has been debunked and yet is constantly repeated because if you ask LEO then it’s usually true but that’s because they are attempting to restrain and arrest not just violently end an altercation) many learning WC don’t use their razing attacks and forward intention and imbalancing their attacker enough imo this then allows their attacker time to wind up and strike
Wing chun is excellent at close range if you exclusively target vital points, which mostly excludes using fists. But most of the closed fist strikes from wing chun lack stopping power, a point JKD I think addresses better at long range.
@@mmurmurjohnson2368 Yeah, power in WC is developed steadily over time by utilizing torque, the joints and spine, and “borrowing” force from one’s assailant. Hitting those vital spots, as you said, are critical in self defense (and illegal in mma). JKD (which I also study) does blend boxing and kickboxing into WC but it has a little less secure stance imo. WC stance is more defensive with the weight on the rear leg in order to snap out quick front kick and or lift to defend. JKD stance is often distributing the weight near 50/50 and if the JKD practitioner is quick it won’t matter but if they are slow the 50/50 may cause a slight delay because they have to shift weight to one leg or the other before moving their body forward or back. Bruce was like lightning so it didn’t matter.
I think martial arts is about training the body to react and specifically to any sort of situation or attack. Martial sports have an objective to entertain real combat may be very quick and not so entertaining.
Only reacting on the question raised in the title, it is simple as that, Unfortunately, self defence is often considered as a one-sided issue based on preparadeness, training, etc, but without showing the potential opponent. In real life, however, any would-be practitioner of martial arts should take a look into the mirror and only then decide on the style of the martial art to suit his or her needs. Luckily the styles follow a style based on human body structures or anyimals somehow closing to the persons bosddy and also behaviour, say a heavy strong but passive cannot start with a snake or crane style. , instead a tiger or bear could be more appropriate to begin with. With enough practice our "bear-type" practitioner may take on ability to adopt some abilities from other styles, , but Wing Tsun has been designed to people with susbtle yet adaptive body structure, but taking the risk of facing the opponent at close range! Ultimately, time will favour the dilligent and determined individuals. Paul,69, former instructor of Karate
Most people get their WC from RU-vid, they don’t have a legit teacher and there are not that many out there. You got to be be lucky to find one.. you don’t need to get complex with moves but you need to be fast
The issues isn't the style, ita that it gets marketed as a mysterious dangerous thing. there's usually no sparring. and no physical conditioning. people learn chin qui then open a school
@@thac0twenty377 Yes, any person looking to defend themselves or looking to be prepared for a fight must condition their body and exercise and must learn to handle many different sizes of people and pressures. This is why our motto is Train like an athlete - Fight like a criminal! Real kung fu means excellent skill that’s acquired after many years of hard work…unfortunately some schools do Not put in the work
@@attritionwarrior Then you probably don’t know much about self protection or self defense. Intent to injure and cause devastating harm is a must and should be taught (especially to women) when if ever jumped/attacked in a serious situation which happens all the time all over the planet. Your comment is bs as is the idea that one’s fighting skills will become so good that they’ll just go easy on their assailants and handily resolve a violent encounter 🤦♂️ Study and learn from Tim Larkin, Rory Miller, Tony Blauer etc then get back to me
