Just a heads up! I’m not saying this camera is a “waste of money” I actually purchased one for myself 🫣 but it wasn’t for the prores options or even the BRaw… Anyways… don’t get too rowdy in the comments section 😉
you are wrong. any pro rig their cams anyway. that.s not a bad thing, i will not pay for sd cards. i will have it rigged anyway, you don.t really know what you are saying
Haha! Sorry bud but you clearly do not know what you’re talking about 🫣 Or you should watch my other videos where I tell people to rig their cameras or share my rigged out Red Komodo 😂 I can shoot a whole commercial simply handheld on the s5ii, which I have! A true professional will shoot with what they need and actually know what they need instead of saying “all the pros do this, so I’m going to as well” Just my 2 cents
The price difference is not enough to warrant the term "waste of money". Both are expensive regardless and if you do client work, it's kinda an insignificant cost difference anyway. Get the X and future proof yourself should the need arise.
To late, I just bought the iix.. if I saw this video earlier I would've bought the ii to be honest on the other hand I like to experiment with new things
The S5iiX is a great camera you can grow into. Your currents clients might not want RAW but if all of a sudden you meet one who does, the upgrade is more simple than getting (Renting or buying) and learning a new system.
I agree for the most part! The only thing is, if I’m working with clients that are demanding raw, they better be paying me enough to where I can afford a proper cinema camera.
@@AnthonyRodriguezz - When I started my production career over 10 years ago I bought great audio gear and rented cameras based on the job. Now that a $2,200 camera can do 90% of the jobs I’m cool with renting when the client DEMANDS RED or ARRI. If they are demanding merely RAW I’ll just keep the sub $1000 RAW investment and not spend the over $1000 in camera/lens rentals. In reality, I’ll just hire a cam op with a RED or ARRI because you typically get a cam op, the camera and all the camera gear for the price of a comprehensive rental.
If "all of a sudden a client" demands RAW, I buy the camera THEN and charge the customer accordingly. If I bought a new camera for every "just in case" or "future proof" scenario that marketing teams indoctrinate my mind with, I'd go broke.
Exactly. It's such an contrarian perspective. People keep acting like the ability to film to an SSD and shoot pro-res, RAW, B-RAW and high end All-I options are a con because of the external recording requirements... when none of the camera's around it's price range can record these options internally OR EXTERNALLY. The competition don't offer these options in anyway. Yes it's not ideal to record externally but as your production quality grows you can hang onto this camera for longer than having to splash out on higher end video cameras the minute you want to start exploring pro-res of RAW video recording.
@@HGQjazz If you bought a new camera for every customers need you'd go broke... To offer RAW on a S5iix only requires an investment of an external recorder for the rare situation when needed. An external recorder that can double as a monitor when not shooting RAW. To buy a camera that can offer RAW internally you're looking at either ONLY BMPCC cameras or cameras in the $5-10K at a minimum.
These are the type of channels I can't stand, where you have someone talking sense and making valid points trying to save people from buying more crap that they don't need with added features they will never use. How dare you! Nah seriously, good video. I agree. 👍
Appreciate the input Anthony. I've been on the fence on whether or not to return the S5II within the 30 day return window. I have decided that yes, I will return it and purchase the S5IIx, and here's why; - Future Proofing: I had my last DSLR for a long-ass time man, over 11 years. I was so blown away when I started looking at the improvements of the new mirrorless cameras, I had no idea so many improvements had been made. So, judging by my previous camera, I'm likely to have this one for quite a while. And if/when I do go to sell it, resale value will likely be higher and would recoup the $200 right there. - I agree with you on the file sizes and I doubt for the small business work that I do, on another RU-vid channel, that anyone would ever see the difference. So, not really planing on shooting Prores but it'll be nice to know that the capability is there if/when a client ever requests it. I may or may not get the Kondor Blue handle but just for simplicity sake on the SSD and the workflow, not interested in HUGE files. - Live Streaming: I have already done this at a couple of weddings and although it went off without a hitch, the ability to be able to do this right from the S5IIx is worth $200 to me right there. - Black Paint Job; A lot of reviewers mention that this is worth the price alone, and I do like it, but this is by far the least important thing to me. I doubt that I will ever have a single person notice it except myself and it did not influence my decision at all. Hope I can see all the dials in the dark when shooting events! - All in all, if I was not within my 30 day return window, there is no way I would take a big loss on the S5II just to get the X. Thanks for all your content man.
The '500 to 700 dollar price difference' was a little off. Maybe if the S5 ii had been out a little longer then sure the prices would be lower but right now it's more sitting at the S5 $1800 price range for used ones. Still spending a little less money but just not that big of a difference.
I mean… I’ve seen many s5ii’s for around 1500-1600 on the fb groups
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For me All-i, and ssd recording is a good option. The S5IIx in Hungary was 550000Ft(1577USD) the S5II 1400USD. It wasn't such a big difference, so I bought teh X model. Everything is debends on the prices:)) Tell the truth I like the dark style, body without white letters, numbers. Tell the truth the S5 still more than enough for video, and photo, less noiser, and has better colours.
You obviously don’t know what you’re talking about. Your fear of ProRes Is scary. I don’t know a professional in the world that doesn’t eventually use it… Unless they’re using some kind of log footage. I suppose if I gave you my RED footage, you’d have a heart attack.
You obviously haven’t been on my page… I literally owned a Komodo for a year and a half 🤦🏽♂️😂 I understand needing to shoot in prores because a production house is asking for it. Other than that, the file sizes vs benefits are not worth it whatsoever. There’s no phobia here, just common sense. Also, prores is most of the time in “some kind of log footage” so I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make here
I am with you on this. When I was buying my S5ii a few weeks back I was really going back and forth on whether to get the S5ii "now" or wait for the S5iiX in June for the several extra features. I ended up deciding that for my use case the S5ii was the better choice for a few reasons, the biggest being the ease of use. I actually love that the S5ii has a lowish bitrate that allows for the use of relatively cheap, high capacity media options, even in the highest recording qualities. I have two Sabrent 1TB v60 cards in the S5ii and they, one, work perfectly in all modes- 6k open gate, burst photography, etc- and two, are a fraction of the cost of v90 or CF Express cards. In addition to that, the files are extremely easy to work with in editing suites, unlike the larger file sizes that come with different codecs. You also don't need a bunch of extras with the S5ii to get the best out of it, no external recorder, no SSD and SSD holder that needs to be attached to cage a cage and so on. I estimate that by the time you add the cost of all those things to the S5iiX to unlock its full potential, you are going to be spending $3k or easily even more when it's all said and done. I think the one thing that would have made it a little more intriguing for me is if they had been able to add full frame 4k 48, 60 and 120fps. I am in the fortunate situation to also own a Canon R5, giving me raw and all-i codecs as well as full frame 60 and 120fps, so the omission of those things are not a huge deal to me, but that being said, I would have considered making a full switch over to Panasonic had they been able to offer those frame rates. I actually think that the R5 and S5ii compliment each other perfectly, and between the two they cover just about any situation a filmmaker/photographer could encounter, but that is a whole other discussion.
Wow! That’s quite the extensive response! Thanks for taking the time to share your input I appreciate that. 🙌🏼 a lot of the same mental journey I went through
I disagree… being bulky and having more cables that can fail is pretty annoying. Saving $1-200 for another fail point on 3-10k shoots isn’t worth it imo You also wouldn’t need extremely large sd cards if you’re not shooting in ProRes which is the whole point of the video. Pretty counterintuitive if you ask me
Hi guys I need help and advise! I am an outdoor photographer and lately videographer too. My tours are adventure tours around the world in any weather conditions, desert, ice, heat, jungle, ocean etc. I just invested in a better filming set-up and chose the Lumix S5llx as lately the entire industry talk about this camera as the new 'affordable' standard camera. I started witha Canon M50 and I am happy to get to the next level now. So I bought it and now with all the features I get quite confused, I am not used to it and it makes me feal dumb to try something that seems so complicated, why didn't I started with easier cameras, but whatever. I don't know anybody who could teach me, so I turn to you guys. My criterias are 'just' high quality video that I could use my LUTs on them. I don't have a high-end editing set-up which would be my next investment, but I need to edit those files. My videos are often an hour long. I know the quality of the video depends more on the content, but I want to do the best out of the camera too. I don't want to film with huge mega files if I don't know how to use them😂. So what to do with this Prores or RAW videos? I don't think I need that, what is your advice guys, teach me and share your knowledge and experience, any advice is greatly appreciated guys What is the best settings for just using f.ex. 4K and apply my LUTs, in post or now even in Camera?
Who gives a f&#% what anyone thinks. KUDOS to you for breaking through the hype and providing an honest appraisal of the true cost of ownership in order to make full use of all the features. Solid report.👍
And here my perspective: 1. If the s5ii had ALL-intra then I might not have considered the s5iix. Gop files need computers that ...cost around 4000 today. 2. How many FF cameras have the ability to write PRORESS internally and how much do they cost? 3. How many FF, cameras are able to write to ssd proress and how much do they cost? 4. How much are 2 v90 256gb sd cards and how much is a 1tb or 2tb ssd? 5. I will agree that writing to an external ssd has some problems for the operation of the run & gun (cables, cages, base, etc.) but IT IS THE CHEAPEST SOLUTION. Greetings 🇬🇷🤘
I see your points, just most people do not need any of those options! Also, my 1500$ M1 Pro can handle GOP files and you can get that for around 1200$ used nowadays
@Anthony Rodriguez Right or wrong, I'm a Windows fan boy 🤣. My pc , 5 years old, (i7 8700, 32gb, rtx 1080) CAN'T HUNDLE GOP FILES (I have the Mavic 3 classic and the dlog files is a real pain). But when editing with proress I don't have any problems!! I guess it's the same with all intra.) Otherwise I must pay 4000 for a new PC 🤣🤣
I'm still using the GH6, and I hardly ever even record in ALL-I, much less prores lol... Storage, especially storage that is fast enough, is expensive AF!
For the money that cost the S5IIX, there are not just the external features, there is also all-I H264 up to 600mbps on sd cards, and that save time editing. Also the IIX still has subject recognition when monitoring the 6K or 5.9k! And the features you say are pricy to handle, are pricy on any camera doing that and the S5IIX is one of the cheapest doing that, so yes prore will cost but for those asking for that the camera is a bargain that's all! Also the b-raw of the s5IIX is the best to date, with higlight recovery it has a of dynamic range, can be converted in any log/gamut/ colorspace of davinci, almost perfect white balance recovery/ exposure recovery! And for the price it cost over a s5II you can decide or not to use those features but if prores is a client obligation, the versatility of that camrra is difficult to beat! And it has live stream support
Hey! Thanks for your input! Not sure how everyone is getting clients that are demanding prores… I’ve never once encountered this. But I do hear what you’re saying and I do agree with you! Any firmware related upgrades will be released in the s5ii as well 🙂
@@AnthonyRodriguezz It is just that propres being almost an industry standart in terme of use and softwares that it is a probability. The camera is just note that much money, Can do the same and much if needed. And it Can begin to record all-i on v60 cards so not that much money
It's a 10% difference in price. For many people shopping at this level, the camera body is only part of many many thousands of dollars of gear, so this isnt really a huge difference for them. I agree that no single one of the X's extra features is probably going to justify the difference for most people, but I do think that the combination of all of them is worth it. For me i would pay the difference just for the intraframe internal h264/265 codecs. ProRes internal and external, raw out, and the streaming stuff are just nice bonuses for me. For many other people it's probably vice versa.
Appreciate the response! I’ve never seen the benefit of All-I outside of easier editing. That being said, my computer can pretty much handle anything really!
It's better for shots with lots of motion. That's what I shoot so it's worth it for me. That being said, I think the long-GOP codecs in my S1 are fantastic for what they are, and are more than many shooters need.
For many, it's not just about 10%. Many bought the S5 II 3 months ago. I asked my camera dealer how much I could get in exchange for the X as a used camera. He said about 1600, - so the difference is much higher than just 10 percent. That's true only for those who have waited. But I think these are the fewest.
@@mathiassiebert1217 you're reaching. It's not like the X came out of nowhere, it was announced at the same time as the S5II. Everyone had all the information they needed at the time to decide which camera was right for them. Can't blame Panasonic if someone was too impatient to wait and now regrets it.
@@aldolega Thanks for your answer. None of this is new to me. Of course, both cameras were announced at the same time in Tokyo. And also their approximate release date. I didn't claim otherwise. Also, where did I blame Panasonic? I don't know what you're reading into my post. At least not what's in there. What you don't take into account: Many wanted the camera right away. For whatever reason. It's not up to me to rate that. For me it was just the moment when I urgently needed a new camera because my old one was no longer good. Since I had several orders coming up, everything was perfect. I had already thought back then that I would buy the X later. I just didn't realize how much value the camera would lose at a professional retailer.
This is a great independent perspective. Many reviews that we've seen they were too influenced by the brand and also the hype. Probably this is a great pro camera, but these pro features are not just 200 dollars more, they are far more expensive. Thanks for sharing!
I learned about the prores format at university in 2006, I have never understood why it is a standard. It is a storage nightmare, it does not offer obviously better quality. And usually my profits don't justify the expense on storage. I have not seen the supposed performance on the computer either. It's always been a nightmare.
Apart from this video being a warning beginners, I strongly disagree to most of what you said. If someone is looking at the SIIX, they probably (should) have already compared it to other cameras, Lumix SII included. So if they get the camera it's because they KNOW, they NEED that ProRes, or that BM RAW, they know they will include these workflow into their process. So they probably already have all of the knowledge, the media and the accessories they need in order to do so, or at least have planned for it. They might be already be using other ProRes or BM RAW capable cameras like the XH2S or the BMPCCs and want to include the SIIX in their arsenal. Getting a camera is an investment, it needs research and planning, and I think most people that are looking to get the SIIX don't need to be warned about the cost of ownership. Do all the people that are hyping, defending or have bought the camera know what to do with RAW or ProRes? Probably not. But that's internet for you 😂 I'm not the target audience of your video so my opinion might not be the most relevant, still I stand by it✌🏽
Hmmm not trying to be a jerk but there were a plethora of broad assumption you made in your disagreement. To be fair, your opinion is your opinion and you’re totally entitled to it but…. It doesn’t hold much weight as I still disagree with those assumptions as they are just that, assumptions and slightly far fetched ones at best. That probably sounds rude 🤦🏽♂️ not trying to be! I promise!
@@AnthonyRodriguezz Are you telling me that getting a camera is not an investment and most people do not do their research before they buy one? Are you telling me that some people do no know what ProRes and RAW means in terms of cost and process? Do you have proof that some people that are interested in the SIIX do not already use a RAW or ProRes in their work? I'm not saying it's a 100% of the people, I'm saying most do research their investment. You are the one making the assumption, I didn't say anything unreasonable or untrue.
Nono, You said people “probably” owned specific cameras prior or “probably” already have the media. The s5iix has a VERY low barrier of entry meaning that it attracts MANY that aren’t aware… like a lot! Most people that use ProRes, especially prores RAW are using it out because of FOMO and probably can’t see the difference. I do see your points though!
Great video, and I appreciate you ignoring those in the comments who dont understand what this video is trying to say. I really do love Panasonic, they make some of the best value cameras on the market. However, I just cannot get away from my Sony ecosystem.
Recording to External SSD is much better because it's A LOT cheaper and A LOT faster. Modern NVMe like SN850X that can run pcie gen 4 speeds (this camera won't be able to support it fully) for 2 TB cost only 120 usd? Not a single SD card could match the durability, performance and price per GB of a good NVMe SSD. Not to mention it's a lot easier to transfer files from an external ssd to a computer rather than wasting time with those awful sd cards.
Much better for you* I’d rather not have an extra thing hanging from my camera and another potential point of failure with a cable Also, I don’t need 2 tb of SD card storage. I use 256gb v60s and they are much cheaper than $120 and have never needed more than that for shoots
I understand your reasoning, but I still buy the X. First of all, I have the S5 (from almost launch day), and I'm sure I will at least do as long with the S5iiX... And longer, because my S5 will become the B-cam, and when the S5iiiX or S6X or whatever it will be called, I will only sell the S5 (that might even become a C-cam). However, the streaming and all-intra recording are also strong points which I really want. And BRAW in the future, although I hope it will be possible to SSD with an update. But I see myself buying a monitor in the next 12 months anyways, so the Blackmagic 12G 5 inch is a good option than. And about the rigging... True but you have your camera without the rig in five minutes or less. Sometimes i have my S5 also rigged just to be more 'professional' looking, at other moments i want stealth. And both are possible with this. But thanks for the video anyways
I don’t disagree with you! I just think the statement like “you’d be silly to not buy this camera if you primarily shoot video” or “this is the video camera and the s5ii is the hybrid” Is simply trash… those statement are false and have created hype around a camera that most people feel like they absolutely need when they… won’t even benefit from the features. More so it’d be a headache for them. I have and love my s5ii! And honestly if the c came out around the time that the s5ii came out, I might’ve purchased that!
Valid points. Will be more valid if S5II gets the update and EYE-AF does not turn off in opengate mode when external monitor is connected. Worth mentioning is that S5IIX Open Gate is only available in H26X, 200MBit codec ... not BRAW, ProRes or ProResRAW. Not a big deal for YT, but if someone wants ProRes and Open Gate might be surprised .... Also compatible drives are Samsung T5 (which are discontinued) or Sandisk Extremes, which user report are very unreliable (at least 2TB+ versions). And also Pro Blades which are very expensive.
Yeah… it will! I mention the problades and all of that! The s5iix is an incredible camera don’t get me wrong! Just not what most beginners are expecting. Thanks for sharing your input!
@@AnthonyRodriguezz Pro blades and the handle are interesting. But handle is on pre-order ... and pro blades are f... expensive (alnd double that in my stupid country). I got one usb drive and I pray it will work with S5IIX, but chances are 50/50 cause it does not work with BMPCC 6k :(.
For sure! When I got the camera the SSD is cool and all but it would be great to just have a hybrid CF Express and SD card slots. Like 2 SD cards, and 2 or 1 CF Express Card. Shooting that high res on a small camera won’t make sense for a lot of people but this can be great for B Cam for people who shoot on Reds or something that need that crazy extra higher quality footage. Good video mate!
@@AnthonyRodriguezz yeah this camera for Apple Pro Res Raw or BRAW makes sense for people that need that as a BCam for a bigger camera system like yourself. But it is nice that it is more future proofing your camera for a couple extra years if you buy this camera for that reason. Like I film professionally but I use V30 SD cards since my clients don’t need Apple ProRes or I don’t need to film All Intra recording since they won’t even notice the difference in the videos. But if you are shooting a giant doc with the red as an A then yeah this is a solid cheap B cam for those type of people.
Why is the ssd a problem? most people rig out there camera regardless so using a shoe doesn’t really matter and why spend more money on a smaller sd card when you can have a faster work flow with the ssd plug and play for less but with more storage. No brainer for me. Most people will need a monitor/ext recorder. I actually picked up a 4tb for storage. So let’s also forget about the sick blacked out body. 😂 well at least your footage looked good.
I understand your point and “most people” actually do not rig out their cameras. I prefer to not have more cabling, points of failure and technically SSDs aren’t cheaper if you’re looking at the size of files needed vs the storage you’re getting. What you’ll be recording to an sd card will be much smaller than the ssd stuff and if you’re just recording all I to an ssd, it’s more of a reason to keep it simple and not complicate things for little to no benefit
one of the reviewers you scrolled through as examples was Camera Conspiracies... i feel like he gives it to ya pretty straight.. he really didn't hype it at all.. i like his videos for the realism.. n cynical wit.., but I like where you're coming from.. it can be really annoying how often reviewers just hype everything that comes their way
Totally. I picked up a S5 II used with a lens at a really good price. Moved up from my S1. I'm not an advanced video shooter, and I'll just get some gaf tape and a sharpie. Done. :)
Am I the only one who finds this "black" very ugly? Some Fuji and Leica cameras are splendid, this Lumix S52X is a bit like a matte black modern car. Nothing is more beautiful than an old car with rounded shapes and vintage colors. On the subject you mention, I think the main problem is the usb c power supply made impossible if an SSD is connected. File size and storage cost are a non-issue. And, other brands offer ProRes internally on their cameras, one HDMI A + 2 usb c.
@@AnthonyRodriguezz I get that it can be enabled by firmware but until it does it’s just a wish :). Currently ditching a7siii because lack of what seems like easy to implement firmware updates that have never materialized.
Slight correction from what I've seen online: Both the s5ii and s5iix use the older autofocus system instead of the newest PDAF when shooting over 30fps in 1080p. Please correct me if I'm wrong but that seems to be the case according to Gerald Undone who is very trustworthy.
The fact that these in-camera features are available for $200 more is a personal choice. With the S5II you have to pay 200 dollars more for the upgrade! You don't have to use these extra options right away, but grow towards them and later when this storage becomes cheaper you will be prepared for the future.
@@AnthonyRodriguezzHey bro. Im entirely new to photography and video. I want something good. I'm deciding between s5iix or the S1H. I can get the s1h for 2600 brand new from eBay as Therr is a high rated seller selling it.. but based on all the things I read, I think the S5 IIX is the way to go.. I'm based in Los Angeles and I'm also wondering if you think I would be able to get work doing photography and videography with that s5iix. Your info is much appreciated brother. Thank you
If your shooting anything ProRes it's going to be a large file size no matter the camera. ProRes is a very large compression format that's a ProRes problem not an S5 issue. A $20 hard drive holder on a cage and a Samsung T5 and you're good to go. I do wish it could record BRAW straight to a hard drive that would have been epic.
fyi on amazon the s5ii is actualy 270$ cheaper and come with a 600$ lens.. combined with the fact most people cant notice the different between h265 and raw footage.
Well… this wasn’t an in depth review it was specifically about the s5ii over the s5ii. But you do have a point! In all honesty though you won’t be noticing the poor rolling shutter most likely unless you’re shooting speedracing or crazy fast moving trains and even then there are Hollywood movies that are action packed where you will notice poor rolling shutter!
@@AnthonyRodriguezz well for run and gun scenario with lots of movement in hand held its quite a big of a problem. Can’t be really compared to hollywood as their digital cameras like alexa has rolling shutter below 8ms compared to lumix 20+. And cine cameras are heavy so it compensates even that little rolling shutter effect they might have. fast-moving subjects can appear angled or sheared, and rapid camera movements are more likely to appear as a wobble. Effects are most pronounced with whip pans, fast subjects, high shutter speeds or run and gun type shots. Just try it yourself, try to shoot some hand held action scene ala extraction 2 or bourne with this camera and it will look like 🐕 💩. Hence i think it’s actually a very important factor that nobody cares to cover
I owned a Red Komodo for over a year so Ik what the benefits are… I just think it’s not as big of a deal for 98% of work! I 100% value the benefits of little to rolling shutter delay, don’t get me wrong!
what is blocking me from getting this camera is the highlights , how they look. latitude is better on blackmagick cameras.. but i like lumix camera style. thanks for sharing
I wish I could get the X not blacked out. I think it's going to be harder to see the label/icons at night or on a dark stage.But for $200 I think it's worth the upgrade. Will probably be better for resale value in the long run and also you can record all codecs to the SSD not just prores. So that could potentially save you time and money. And I honestly don't think too many people will put their nonX for sale considering that camera just came out. Maybe in a few months or a year that will be the case.
I think the resell will be exactly the same as the s5ii BUT I do think it’s worth the 200$ just not necessary and the backend costs and hassle definitely need to be considered! You’d be surprised. There are already people selling their s5ii’s now that reviews are out for the x
Not being able to see the blacked out labels in low-light situations might be the only reason not to buy the X version. Other than that, i would totally pay the extra bucks.
Really good content dude. Thinking of upgrading from s1 and finding this content really helps. Personally i think that having all that option is enough reason to upgrade tho. Might not be using it now but its kinda future proof. Good work tho. Appreciate it 😊
If you buy the S5ii and than the S5iix you have the same camera that can do a lot more, bbut you dont have to do a lot more. Sorry man sell your S5ii now before nobody want to buy it.
I really enjoyed this video. I actually really enjoy all of these filmmaking videos from all of these amazing filmmakers, but I have yet to feel like my original S5 is letting me down in any situation. I guess if I find myself really desiring better autofocus, I'll upgrade at some point, but this camera is just so good. But I'm sure all of these cameras are absolutely incredible. :-) I DID run into moire ONCE, and that sucked, bjut overall, I'm pretty grateful right where I'm at. Thanks so much for sharing though, I really do enjoy all of your videos.
I have this camera. It is fantastic, but there is one giant reason why to potentially not buy it: horrible rolling shutter. It's far worse on the open gate modes, and improves if you shoot APS-C mode,, but shooting APS-C just to have acceptable horizontal motion negates much of the purpose of the camera.
Never had rolling shutter hinder a project or a client come back with criticism about it. I do like having fast shutter cameras though… not a deal breaker by any means
@@AnthonyRodriguezz Guess it depends on your work. I know of people that stopped using it because of rolling shutter, RU-vidr Patrick Tomasso has done videos about the issue for instance. There are factors that make it better/worse and more/less noticeable. The sensor read out is super slow on this camera which is so frustrating as I love everything else about it. If you shoot with long lenses for instance, especially on open gate 6.2k and pan you'll see the whole image becomes a wobble world. If you operate in APS-C UHD 4K 24p with a wide lens it is far less though, so there are ways to manage it. Shooting in a room with strobe for instance will be unusable on this camera but on the Fuji XH2S, their newer stacked sensor one, it's practically zero rolling shutter to the point that you can shoot strobe lights and it'll be perfect. It's APS-C though and missing some video assist features.
Other important upgrades on the X are the faster open gate modes - this is really nice if you shoot anamorphic. Also, If your use to a ProRes workflow I think this is a great addition. It’s 2023 - storage is cheap. The R3D files from my Komodo and Gemini are just as large if not larger. Also for long term when project footage is going to be archived we usually convert it over to H265 10bit 422 where it generally goes to retire on a NAS and can be resurrected in pretty good quality on the off chance it’s needed again in the future.
@@AnthonyRodriguezz you don’t see value in the all-I modes? In my experience all-I can be important if you shoot any scenes with high frequency detail and want to preserve that detail. I’m usually more on the VFX side of things but do DP occasionally and if you ever do any roto work and rely on any level of automation to speed up a roto the mushy detail on long gop files can be murder. I think the price difference is so little between the two cameras and the fact that you have more open gate frame rate options, all- i as well as ProRes if you want it that the x is definitely the way to go. I did the math and 2 hours at 6k open gate ProRes 24 is about 1.4tb - that’s really not that bad and in line with my REDs, Alexa’s when we have rented them as well as the Varicam LT we had up until last year.
I don’t at all… I’ve never had the need for it and a client will never truly notice BUT it is such a small price difference, you’re right there! I was just adding a different perspective in the mix of the YT hype.
Great color grading, Anthony! Just ordered the S5IIX to replace my Sony A7RII. My main camera that I use since 2020 is the Blackmagic Pocket 4K (rigged and paired a lot of times with the Ronin M), but I only use it for my biggest projects, where normally I know I will be doing color grading and look building, basically for cinematography. However, I always wanted 4K 50p for some run and gun projects, events and thinks like that, where a light camera that I can either fly on my Ronin S or use handheld, and switch between those quickly, is paramount. With a versatile zoom lens and all Canon glass that I have, paired with the MC-21, I think I'll get the perfect light camera for videography, and a great B camera that I can match with my Pocket 4K properly. All that said, I understand why for some people, those features won't mean much, and specially for those who already have the S5II.
Currently a S5 owner, I do a lot of corporate stuff and I'm just starting to dip into the world of shooting RAW. Shot some stuff in Prores RAW but the workarounds for getting it into Davinci held me back considering the diminishing returns you're getting from RAW. I see the use cases for it but my stuff is usually in fairly controlled environments so I don't have to make huge adjustments in post. BUT, I am also starting to get into shooting some short film stuff, and I can see more use cases there, as real world environments can have so many factors out of your control. So for those situations the S5ii X is the perfect upgrade to get access to BRAW. I already have a Samsung T5 1TB to shoot BRAW externally and plenty of storage on a NAS to accommodate larger files, so the jump to shooting more RAW won't be too bad for me. A true cinema camera is on my "someday" list, but for now I can't wait to see what the S5ii X can do. EDIT: For anyone else coming across this comment, the S5 ii X does NOT shoot BRAW to USB-C, as clarified in the comments below. Although I have found a nice way to take advantage of ProRes Raw. Shoot ProRes on a USB-C and use that as my main working files, shoot ProRes RAW to a Ninja V as a backup and only access the files that I may have gotten something wrong or I perhaps need the extra flexibility in post. I'm willing to deal with converting a few files to Cine DNG as opposed to an entire project.
I really hope they add the ability to record BRAW directly to an external SSD, but currently you can only record braw to the black magic video assist monitor which is not cheap.
My perspective is: it might be worth it getting BMPCC 4K/6K from my Fujifilm XT3 because of RAW, but during blind tests between the XT line and LUMIX, the fuji seems to have the better image. Why would anyone want the Linux compared to cameras such as the 4K/6K.
The xt cameras have less dynamic range and wayyy less features. The reason for wanting the s5ii over the bmpcc is the better DR, more versatile codec range, best IBIS for easy handheld footage, actually has AF unlike the blackmagic and it’s more ergonomic and portable
@@AnthonyRodriguezz I am sure that is true on paper, but i haven’t seen a comparison that would prove this. Like when RED claimed to have 17stops, but ARRI was better with their 15stops. Could of course just be that there aren’t good enough tests online.
Can’t prove it with my own “tests” but after using both cameras extensively I definitely could tell there is more latitude in the s5ii, especially in the shadows.
If all you wanted was B-RAW you could have picked up a S5. The prices are dropping like a rock. If anybody is sitting on the fence for 200 bucks, you guys are looking at the wrong gear. I waited for the IIx and used my S5 in the mean time. I'm keeping both.
So, new to the channel and at the time of my comment, this vid is 7 mos old so im a bit late to the convo 😅. However i did have 3 questions. The cons you listed aside, can the X do everything the s5II do that you like? And 2, did the X improve on any of the drawbacks or reservations you had about the s5II? And finally, how does the X do on stills and sports/wildlife shots if you know.
I'm a little late but having owned the S5iix since it launched I may say I'm not disappointed. I come from the S5 and still use it as a second body for stills and third body for video (GH5s is 2nd video body). For hybrid shooting is fantastic and I've done a couple of jobs recording on SSD. It's fantastic. The Lumix lenses are a little bit on the sharp/digital side but they are so good. 35mm and 85mm are my main. All the different record resolutions are a little too much at the beginning but since you can program a button to select your preferred resolutions it's just so easy and so handy to have all those sizes. You can experiment with them. specially since apsc is the only mode that has fast autofocus on video. but sometimes you can use the full frame if you don't have to rely a lot on autofocus. It's a camera for filmmakers not a point and shoot so you have to practice and learn a lot about it.
All I is still compressed, have you ever transcoded all-I to ProRes? The files are massive. What y’all both are missing and I really do mean missing Is ProRes Raw. Changing ISO, white balance, tint and avoiding internal sharpening on camera as well as many other things are really important to real film makers and aspiring film makers alike. I don’t think you have a clue. Editing compressed files is almost like editing jpegs. Don’t do that if you don’t have to.
I think the benefit of SSD recording is cheaper storage and the ability to edit directly from the SSD rather than transferring files from the SD card more than the image quality. So, for people who need to deliver really fast and want to save a few bucks on storage I think this is a good feature.
@@adrianfigueroanavidad2747 I get you, but would also say that nobody should really be editing off of the same drive they record onto, and would typically back up and maybe have a dedicated drive for editing. The whole notion of editing straight off the same ssd is kinda bad practice.
Hi Anthony, great video for a beginner like myself looking to upgrade my camera/ something I can grow into. Do you have any other comparable suggestions? Something that wouldn't take up as much storage?
oh come on. Stop complaining! It's the cheapest camera out there with such performances. Hype? Pfff...Hype is around Sony and Canon. Panasonic simply creates great things which other brand can't make with such price.
With the option of buying an original S5 for under $1,000 - I still believe that it is the best option out there for most people! Mirrorless mount. Full frame sensor. 10-bit 4:2:2. That's a dream come true! Unless you require a full sized HDMI port, open gate, better AF, and a few of the other S5II features - saving money and putting it toward lenses is a great option. I'm just having a hard time understanding why Panasonic released the S5II twice with minor upgrades that can be accomplished via firmware. Very odd!
Idk if I’d agree with this statement. Same sensor doesn’t mean same image or even implementation of that sensor. The dynamic range is wildly different in This camera
Well, the Batman paint job that looks cool to the user yet attracts less attention from those members of the public whose attention you don't want is perhaps another reasons why the X might be another reason why some might think that they won't miss those 200 dollars.
Appreciate your input and makes a lot of sense, however even though I don't think I will use a lot of the pro features to begin with and will just record to an SD card with normal format to begin with, BUT it will be nice to have the options to use some of the more pro features in the future if I want to and hell that Blackout stealth look is worth the extra. Also, there's a deal on here in the UK where if you trade in £250 worth of camera gear with MBP you get a whopping £1000 off the camera, and the £250+ from MBP so I'll be getting a S5IIX, plus the 20-60 zoom, 35mm & 80mm for £2329 all in, absolute steal, so happy to pay a bit extra for the X. Thanks for the video, didn't consider how many SSD's I may have to buy to shoot in the pro formats.
Returned the s5IIx auto focus is slow not recommend plus crops in 4K60p only good options is a7siii or r6 mark 2 or fx3 or zve1 If you want a hybrid go canon route. Sony and canon better auto focus. Nikon in third.
If you already have the S5 with all the extra stuff anyway (I do) it's an easy decision. I want it for the improved auto focus. The S5 II doesn't make much sense for 200 bucks difference. You need to record to a SSD on the Sigma FP to get 4K raw it does 1080 raw internally ( I love that camera ). The T7 1TB attaches to the cage and is pretty small.
@@AnthonyRodriguezz s5iix does everything that not even many cinema camera do,. Why the fook are you beetching s5iix you out of your mind it does 24hz 48fps & 4:3 h.265.. you don't know anything about this camera shutyo mout boi 🤣🤣🤣
I just canceled my pre-order on the s5iix. I don’t feel I need the extra bells and whistles and don’t feel like buying a bunch of storage just for RU-vid videos haha. Thanks for this video! Really helped me make a better buying decision. Plus we still get ProRes in a future firmware upgrade.
Ahh this makes it all worth it! I love the s5iix I’m just glad this video was able to help you make the better buying decision for you! Just a heads up that future firmware update is 200$ extra when it does come out!
@@AnthonyRodriguezz I see! That’s good to know. I think I don’t really need external ssd recording. I’ve used SD cards my entire life lol. I guess being able to edit directly from the SSD is cool though. I can just transfer the footage. Honestly not even sure if I really need ProRes either for RU-vid haha
@@AnthonyRodriguezz I cancelled mine as well. I saw another photographer do a photo shoot/portrait video with the S5II and it made me realize that it’s just not worth it for me to go with the X. If I’m ever at the point where I absolutely need ProRes consistently, then I can just buy one. I have a GH6 and I think the GH6/S5II combo is going to cover all of my bases.
Just to be clear... The $200 unlock for the S5II Does NOT give it All-I, Pro-Res, or the streaming functionality. All it provides the the RAW over HDMI capabilities for ProRES RAW and BRAW.
You forgot to mention that this camera includes all intra recording options internally. So for those of us who have computer's that struggle with big Long GOP files the X is a better choice. Also, Live Streaming will be useful to some.
what windows laptop do you recommend when video editing the highest resolution 6k of this? or what minimum windows laptop specs should i consider editing this 6k?
I honestly wouldn’t know as I don’t shoot on pc laptop and I don’t recommend to. I’d just get an M1 Pro or an m2 pro. You’re getting much more bang for your buck
Personally, I think choosing the S5ii is stupid. You're cutting off all possibilities to save $200. Unless you're an existing Panasonic user, it's not a competitive choice with Sony. If you want a lightweight and simple camera, Sony is better.
@@AnthonyRodriguezz If the S5II wasn't a sub-camera for you, you'd agree. 👍🏻The Panasonic also has heavier lenses, and if you're choosing it for light use.. 🤷🏽♂
@@AnthonyRodriguezz I'm watching your other videos now. They are interesting and very helpful. Your main camera seems to be the C70, but the options on the S5ix could be a good substitute for the C70 at times. There are so many different situations on set, and to give up such great possibilities for $200? I think it's a shame. Sony is compact. I'm comparing them for that reason alone.
I’m glad you made this video I was doing my research and things just started adding up really quickly it’s not a necessity for me smh. I just purchased the S5ii almost a week ago for $1800 from Best Buy it was a return so it’s pretty much brand new barely used so essentially it’s a $400 savings for me
