It isn't...a matter of people wanting instant gratification. The game is probably one of the least approachable I've played. Master Duel doesn't have the social community existing to really bring in new players because you're only really rewarded by winning, and winning in MD is done by removing the ability of the other player to play. Getting into the TCG is an investment and a half and is a huge barrier to them as well. it isn't a matter of "casuals are whiny anxiety riddled babies who just quit". It's that the means to teach new players are so out of reach and, to your point, the skill ceiling is SO HIGH that it really just turns people off of the game. I've tried to get a lot of other TCG players into YGO and their issue wasn't an unwillingness to learn but that things like cards being super small and hard to read. A lack of formats means there is only a few ways to really play Master Duel specifically. The Tutorial is absolutely horrible; there is no mention of staples. No tutorial for hand traps. We've only recently gotten an indicator for normal/special summons/effects used but nothing for being locked into X or any of the other QoL tools for new players who can't grasp these concepts. All trading card games have complex rules, but YGO has them from the jump. Players don't want to be handed a win. They want to understand why they lost.
An advanced tutorial, not just "this deck is different cause discards at random, or uses plants for XYZ plays", new players might learn to certain point from MD tutorial (Not going to mention irl you basically need a coach for it), but good luck understanding why Ash stopped your Magician rod and how you can counter that, or why Nurse is negated because last turn was hit by Called by the grave Honest, if people isn't here for the anime or a friend, there's better ways to waste your time... I mean play a good game
Also that's the problem with MD not YGO. Like Master Duel is a horrible game to recommend to a person who don't know the game yet. Like it's 20+ years worth of content. Like if you see it in different light the problem is not High Skill Celling... the problem is people begin at the wrong start. I don't agree with him saying YGO required commitment... I mean beside the fact that I like anime... (well arguably I just like good story) and good with tech (idk man I just have good observational skill and technical mindset) according to him I am not the kind of person who will like YGO, but I am here because I follow the game from old era casually and years of gaps, like when I heard new summoning mechanic I want to try it.
I loved the old synchro days where it's big brain to get ur boss monster in turn one and ur opponent has to grab another boss monster to battle it out. NOW it's like first turn edtablish a board and then ur opponent has to use a Specific key component to defeat your board whether and if they can't you automatically lose
Well... you also can out gass the negates, maybe by baiting them. if you're tear or bystial or tear you can summon your guy during their turn like using hand trap slow them down.
Synchros are the reason the game became the mess it is today. Six Samurai Synchro is the beginning of Yu-Gi-Oh becoming solitaire and extra deck being everything.
@@TheTuberguy1000synchros are the reason yugioh even has its own identity. Pre-synchro yugioh is a boring magic clone where you can’t even use the cool big monsters like they do in the anime/manga because they are to hard to bring out and die to easily (except for very specific ones *cough*bls*cough).
The expectation our community has that someone has to put in a university semester's worth of work just to play with the funny anime cards. Most people don't want to win a big event, they just want to play with friends. Expecting that the people playing for a social experience reach the same level of mastery that a tournament entree has is like expecting a pickup game of football requires the same preparation as a World Cup team.
@@RyanAtlus It's the community expectations, not the game itself, that is unreasonable. 17:22 Too many people say that you have to spend weeks practicing to learn to play.
@@randommaster06 I disagree there. If it's just you and your friends picking up structure decks to play out of the box you'll be fine with just the rules in the rulebook. If you wanna enter a competitive locals, that's an entirely different beast.
@@RyanAtlus I absolutely agree with you about playing with friends. It's the fact that when you ask people, especially online, they say you have to practice for weeks to be able to play. If more people said what you did about structure decks, Yugioh would't have the reputation of being an unintuitive mess.
Then why are these same people jumping into competitive matches if they just want to play for fun with friends? Literally no one is stopping you from doing exactly that. Master duel has the problem of it includes a very basic tutorial for beginners but then only has competitive game modes. It should have speed duels, time wizard, precon only, N/R or some other game mode other than competitive ladder for people. But that is a Master duel problem.
I think what makes it worse is something that I don't see a lot of people talking about. The age rating for this game being 6+. Most card games like Magic, Heathstone, Flesh and Blood, Shadowverse, etc. All have age recommendations ranging from 12-16+. To most people, this signifies that this game is more taxing to younger audiences. Pokemon seems to be the one of the two exceptions to this, as the Pokemon TCG is specifically geared towards those who are around the ages of 6+. Yugioh has the issue of asking 6 year olds, at miminum, to do stuff that confuses some players that have been in the game for a handful of years. It had taken me a quite of bit of time on how "Whens/Ifs" worked properly, and there's still some things that I'm sure I don't fully grasp yet. It basically gives the idea that because this game is rated to be "6+", most will rationalize that "This game must be easy to get into". When it's the hardest to get into and the hardest to master. In fact, I used to say this to my friends all the time: "If TCGs were Fighting games, this is what they'd be. Magic would be Street Fighter. The game that pretty much kickstarted the Genre and still is played to this day. Pokemon would be KOF, taking the base formula of Magic, while spicing it up to create a new blend. Yugioh is just UMVC2/HNK. You're not allowed to make any mistakes, any and all mistakes will result in a TOD. GG shake hands."
The fundamentals are simple. The base rules aren't very difficult to grasp. It's all the card effects and interactions that complicate things. I've noticed when some people attempt to teach others, they teach a rule but immediately add "except when X is played", "unless Y is active", or "but Z ignores this rule". So many cards go against the printed rules that it encourages people to list all the exceptions when trying to teach the game. At least that's how i feel.
Trial and error only works if you understand what mistakes you made. If your opponent plays a million cards in a row, how are you gonna learn from that if you don't even have time to read them?
From my experience you won't learn by playing against a deck, but using the deck you will learn it's weakness. like in YGO every deck is like their own games, if you just encounters a new deck you bound to make a mistake. Like playing against the same deck over and over make you good against that deck, but if you know how to play it yourself it's even better. Also Losing is totally ok in YGO... it's a luck games after all.
"It's only fun after you play 100 duels" See the issue here? if you need to play 100 duels just to start having fun with it, then the game is fucked. it's not a wonder why there's a new player retention problem. It's the same vibe as "This game will start getting good after 100 hours."
Hours and amount of duels does not matter you need knowledge of the main stuff for meta like staple cards and understanding complex cards. The most key thing is extra deck act like a utility belt deal with anything whatsoever your opponent has
I will say, and i have more to say but I'm just into the first minutes of the vid so far, it's not like the basic rules are rocket science, like tribute summoning, setting traps or reducing life points. The problem is real games care very little about those. You can learn about traps, but most of the good traps don't work like normal basic traps taught (imperm, evenly); tribute summoning is mostly a myth these days and special summoning aint special, just the norm; and life is a secondary win con, you set up negates and stop opponent from playing and they surrender, rather than attacking them for 0. The basics are nowhere near actual gameplay anymore. 😂
I hear people say that Yu-Gi-Oh is poorly designed a lot, and I agree, but I only agree because it wasn't ever supposed to be a real game. It was made as a plot point in a manga. It was a take on magic the gathering. In short, yes, Yu-Gi-Oh is badly designed, but that's because it was never supposed to be a real game.
Yugioh first game is a gameboy game not the card game, that is the founding pillar of the game we know today, the rulings of yugioh mimic a computer processing because it is based on digital processing.
Good video man. I started with yugioh as a kid, but was forced to go to switch to magic cause there isn't a local yugioh scene. I appreciate you being nice and understanding of new players. I feel so many yugioh players dismiss new players opinions and say just "get good" or don't play. The problem is if no one new plays, the game doesn't grow and eventually dies. Appreciate your attitude man. Keep it up!
Ha exact same thing happened to me. I had a sweet deck with all of the old staples..Jinzo, Raigeki, mirror force, ect. Traded it for a shitty elf deck bc all my friends switched to magic. Still makes me upset to this day 😄
Or just say that new players are lazy for not wanting to put dedication in reading and reading cards. I like desirable difficulty but while I'm playing and not just reading.
@@wrestlerecap1324 dude, I switched from Yu-Gi-Oh to Magic about two weeks ago. I do miss the thematics but man, it's nice to actually be able to PLAY A GAME!! My last game actually lasted more than 4 rounds! And I wasn't constantly negated!! I love the art style of Yu-Gi-Oh, but MtG is a way funner game.
I like the joke that yugioh players can't read, but has anyone considered that yugioh players don't have time to read. You have maybe 30mins per round in an OTS tournament, you don't really have time to double check every card that's played, you kinda have to already be in the know.
Another reason is that some dont need to read cards. Assuming the player is playing a combo deck that sets up 9000 negates or handloops/FTK’s the opponent. U dont need to read the opponents cards. U won
I started playing Yugioh during Dark Crisis in 2003. In 2018, shortly after Firewall Dragon was banned, I remember sitting down at locals. I lost the coin toss. My opponent proceeded to unload, using up all his monster card zones, both link zones, had 3 cards in his backrow, and still had between 3-5 cards in his hand. As he was going through all this, I sat there thinking to myself "...this isn't fun. Why am I playing this?" After his turn, my opponent looked at me and smugly said "good luck." That was the last time I played Yugioh in paper. And every time I think "maybe I miss Yugioh" I would watch people at locals and realize "nope. You don't miss this. Not at all." My poor nephew watched the anime, tried to get into the game, went to locals and was mercilessly beaten down by the bloodthirsty entrenched players. He got rid of his stuff later that week. All of my LGS around here no longer host Yugioh due to the player base (thieves, fighting, cheaters) and all the players out here now have to drive 25+ miles out of town to the last store willing to deal with the player base.
I think the community should make it a standard that if you're introducing someone new to the game, you give them Blue-Eyes Skill Drain deck. The cardpool for that is very straightforward and easy to understand. Trade-in - discard a level 8; draw 2 Cards of consonance - discard a level 2 or lower tuner (is it a dragon? Can't remember), draw 2 Melody of awakening - discard a card add two level 8 dragons Dragon shrine - send dragon to gy Skill drain - pay 1000, negate all monster effects on field (win con) It's very straightforward
24:32 the problem is that yugoih is a game, not something productive like learning maths, coding ect. With those, there's a tangible reward of a practical skill, beyond whatecer intrinsic enjoyment I get from it so i have a reason to push through the pain. With Games on the other hand (assuming im not playing competitively) i have the expectstion its not going to take up a bunch of my time and energy as theres more important things to invest in. Im one of those nerds who is willing to spend a fuck tonne of time ans energy learning coding or new animation stuff in my case, but when im investing a comparable amount of time and effort into a game I start questioning whats the point?
This is why I want multiple formats. Everyone learns at different ways at different paces and are interested in certain deck types. Gaia, Blue-Eyes, and Dark Magician are the most fun for me personally to play. But the decks are outdated and get violated by everything Meta. I've played with different Meta decks. Even though I was winning with Kashtira, I wasn't having fun. I play Blue-Eyes or Dark Magician, win or lose, depending on what just happened, I'm enjoying myself.
I introduced my good friend to Yugioh a couple of years ago. I started explaining normal summoning, tribute summoning, ATK, and DEF. We then would play a couple of matches with just monsters using no effects. We would then add spells into the game, then traps, monster effects, etc. until we got to link summoning. Once he had a understanding of the mechanics, we talked about important concepts like card advantage and resource management. It took awhile, but he is now a full fledged player who understands the game to the fullest. I know that we get excited about our super long combos and crazy stuff we can pull off, but they don’t care. They don’t understand. It takes time, and having someone to personally help you along the way is a huge plus. Honestly, if Konami wanted more people to get into Master duel, then Master duel should of had more solo play options like duel links. Even, I, being a seasoned player, get discouraged from playing online in master duel because of all of the meta decks I am going to have to face. I know we have Solo mode, but it is severely limited in how it is implemented in the game. Going against a computer for an event or rewards like in duel links without having to worry about insane meta decks would help them enjoy the game much more.
Edison is my favorite for introducing new players because the fundamentals are still equally relevant and the format isnt too full of negates. The games also last a while and sychros as an extra deck mechanic are relatively easy to understand. The only annoyance is the old priority rule that doesnt exist in modern
Edison is great. Everyone I showed Edison loved it. The problem is that they also decided that modern yugioh is inferior and had no desire to ever play modern yugioh.
@@josephcourtright8071 edison has the problem of one card killers, especilaly trap dustshoot or return. i won a match by just starting with trap dustshoot both times when i went first and bricking the opponent hand. and these luck of the draw moments happen really often because the individual power of 1 ofs are so much higher. modern yugioh has a higher power floor, but its consistently that high. except for maybe maxx c. although its atleast not a one of.
@@mauer1 I don't know. Having someone Sphere Mode or Dark Ruler No More you feels more sacky to me than trap dustshoot and return. I'm not saying you cannot get sacked in Edison. But I don't think I would say modern yugioh is less sacky.
@@josephcourtright8071 Dark ruler and sphere mode are both only really worth it against full combo negate end boards and also on 3. So you end up having them turn two fairly reliably if you need them. Of course luck of the draw always exists, but getting completly shutdowned by one card that is limited just feels sad. Nobody liked Maxx c on 1 because of this reason aswell.
I have just basically decided to quit after a week; as the tutorial solo mode bears no real concept to modern decks. I wish that Yugioh would ban all meta decks under say gold, so that we get time to learn our decks and other decks in duels that last more than 2 turns...
@13:00 there it is, *that's* the terrible onboarding experience. The fact that you will NOT enjoy your first experience is what we call in the development space a "quit moment." It may be a bit longer for the paper games since you have to invest money to purchase the board and cards, but if someone starts up a game and isn't enjoying it (aka it's "not fun.") All they need to do is click that red X, and then click "uninstall" and you'll likely never get that player back. Retention is the big key. Hence why so many games focus on skill based match making. It's not fun to get blown out by an opponent with max levels and max gear when you only have the starter gear and rudimentary understanding of the game and mechanics. That ends up being exhausting, and it's a quit moment.
The game could benefit from having two different formats: a classic format and a limited format. The classic format would be designed to act like training wheels for new players and would feature Normal, Effect, Fusion, and Ritual cards, just like the game in its early stages. Once new players have gained a better understanding of the basic mechanics of the game, they could unlock the limited game mode after reaching a certain number of duels or rank. In this limited game mode, players would be able to use Synchro and other types of summons from a specified card pool. As players progress through the ranks, they would gain access to more powerful cards and be able to perform more complex combos. Ultimately, this would prepare new players to transition to the current modern format of Yugioh. Additionally, this approach may attract older players back to the game. this is my idea of how to make new players and old players to play the game
As someone who's been in and out of the game since I was a kid. The best thing you can do for a new player is run then through each of the iconic formats of yugioh. From the 25 staples+15 card engines of Goat, to the fast paced rush for boss monsters on Edison, to the slow. Methodical loop of hat, all the way until you get to TOSS Which is peak yugioh
For me a major problem for yugioh new player (but it's the case in other franchises too) is the internet community. For example I was learning a salamangreat combo but a card didn't worked. I looked in forums to if someone had the same problem. Even if I got my answer (there was a card locking me but It wasn't in the graveyard anymore) there was still people to tell "jUsT rEAd tHe CArDs". The game is not beginnger friendly with the amount of mechanics, cards, even experienced players need help to understand some interactions between cards. So for a beginner who doesn't understand the basis, and the only thing people say is "Read the cards", "Change your deck". Is kinda repusling for newcommers. It's like in league of legends where you have to understand a lot of mechanics, charaters (how to play them and how toplay against them) but everyplayer flames you for not being good because it's your 3rd game. Maybe a format with less cards could help them (like in pokemon TCG). Allowing newcomers to learn the game properly with recent cards while not having to learn the 15k cards text. Or maybe highlighting older formats like Edison which are still interesting to play while having less cards and mechanics than modern play (even if it's just putting the problem away as they won't learn to play modern yugioh.) Your video really makes a good job to highlight those problems. So great job !
The problem of yugioh, Archetypes that's is, that is why since release Tribe Infecting Virus has been banned. Because its Anti Archetypes spam, every single problem in yugioh is simply Archetype spamming, 1+ cards that are not limited, and 2-5+ cards that are limited but can be spammed due to archetype cyclel its actually the problem of most card game with Dollar signs as a goal. Thats the problem; Yugioh has been being milked since 2005 and Zombie special summon spam. As long as there is a deck with more than 15 cards of a single architype/Type and as long as deck searching cards are not limited to just 1 and 2 if there for a different Type of card, nothing is going to be fixed, nothing will be fun. a deck needs to be more than 2 archetype basically, no more than 15 cards with any of the same name/strure type or attribute, and 4 types/attribute of monsters to be considered playable. in words, no spamming the same named card over and over again with a slight difference, and no 2-3+ cards in one neither, no +1 card that's not limited, and they should put a limit to how many limited cards in the deck can run to prevent deck with literal over 7 card that are limited. also, decks should have 50 cards as minimum, to prevent spam cycles. Special summon limited to 3 per turn unless threw a non-continuous card effect [one use], or a continues card effect with actual cost, [card like The Tricky] and change life points to 20k and no more than 3k damage by effect. pendulums summons from extra deck can only be one single summon, pendulum summoning can't be more than 2 per turn (1 extra deck plus 1 main hand) and it counts for 1 special summon limit. also, xyz, link etc monster are affected by level-based card, based on their number of stars they have; [no more bs that disables decks with lvl based effects] there fixed
the best way to learn yu gi oh is by playing the video games . i played every yu gi oh game from the game boy to the pc . but even in those games you will find NPC's that are playing with tier 0 decks , decks that won championships. i remember myself suffering a lot against Infernoid and Dragon Ruler , but fighting those NPC's is optional and genrally you can complete the game with an anime deck or any casual deck.
What's the point of even teaching your friend how to tribute summon? That's like me teaching my friends what "banding" is in MTG, except that "banding" is an ancient long forgotten gimmick and "tribute summoning" is one of the fundamentals of a badly designed games that's incapable of even using its own fundamentals. You plan to tribute summon, set or use trap cards in yugioh? The only single games who has these mechanics? Ah fool.
It sucks because I play semi maybe half competatively because in yu gi oh I sort of have to in order to stand a chance, but truthfully I wanna go back to the old ways sometimes. And when I duel a player in ranked who is also playing in the old ways it makes me feel really really bad about myself when I play against them. I can let them win but I know that'll just make them feel like the win was un-deserved. and if I beat them it'll just feel like a douchbag move.
On the other hand, with how much people have migrated en masse into certain hobbies for the last decade and have, quite honestly, ruined them, a lot of people nowadays are quite pro-gatekeeping, so maybe this is a good thing? As an example, we definetly wouldn't be bombarded in MtG with constant embarrasing UBs and SLs if the game hadn't been overran with Marvel fan-like crowd. On an unrelated note, goddamn MBT is insufferable.
As an experienced Yu-Gi-Oh player this really opened my eyes on how ridiculous the game looks on the outside to a new player. Konami needs to keep focusing on how to make the game more approachable and give less incentive to camp ranks in master duel. I felt so bad watching what this guy went through.
I think an issue is that the new player and the opponent aren’t on the same footing. You are on a random pile but he’s on a complete deck so he’s going to roll you. If both of you were playing the same level of garbage then there’s a back and forth and there’s an opportunity to learn which is why I think it’s just important to have someone you know teach you. Unless they are someone who enjoys the grind it’s extremely hard to play, lean and get better by yourself
If you don’t have meta traps and hand traps like ash blossoms and effect veiler or infinite impermanence and solemn judgement in your hand you basically get to watch your opponent lay down 50 cards for 10 minutes that prevent you from doing anything just for them to otk you, it’s not about monster battling anymore
Why I think Yu-Gi-Oh is the worst card game (that I keep coming back to for some odd reason): Mechanically, I love it. Card interactions are cool and there's a lot of deck variety (outside the meta). However... losing in Yu-Gi-Oh simply isn't fun. Of course, everyone wants to win in every game, but in other card games, you are guaranteed to set least be able to participate in the game for a few turns. In Yu-Gi-Oh, the whole goal of the game seems to be "stop my opponent from participating at all." Yeah, you can have your own interruptions and board breakers, but all too often are there times where you play against your opponent and they just shut down your every move- and that style of game seems to influence the rest of the community (which is why I only play Yu-Gi-Oh either on MD or with pre established friends). The game itself should at least guarantee that you get to use the cards you paid for even if you lose- even if you get stomped out by a horrible match up. That's what resource systems are made for. Yu-Gi-Oh doesn't have that, but instead of making cards that take that lack into consideration, they print BS like Arisehart. 🙄 I play Yu-Gi-Oh, I follow the TCG from a distance, but it's one of those games I could never have as my main. Hell, I often take breaks because playing the game just feels draining overall, and if I'm gonna spend time and money on a game, I wanna have fun in the process. TLDR; Play Digimon TCG instead. There's a lot more variance, and as a result, losing doesn't feel like putting your balls in a vice.
The Ranked mode is basically Meta Meta and Meta along with their 1 hour long combo and they can even play in your turn. Those aspects are not explained in Tutorial, and if New Player face such situation, they can be easily got overwhelmed
I quit just before synchros came out. I just got back into duel masters like a month ago. Games completely different now and definitely not as fun. Most of the time I have no idea what's going on and just hope I have an out in my hand after they finish their 15 minute turn. Its so funny you meantioned 33 yr old bc im 34 😅
I think learning the basics and learning one deck at a time with a patient friend casual is the best. You definitely have to put in work and time. Its fun when you get the hang of it
I really wanted to get into this game, I learned all the mechanics and basics, I tried to find a deck to learn, had no one in the community really reach out to so much basics of how decks works or help me pick what too play. It's annoying to find deck list that aren't worth 700
It is not that yugioh isn’t fun. It is that there is no way to easily play yugioh other than in competitive matches if you don’t have friends that play and can teach you. People act like you can jump into other games at a competitive level and have a chance and understand what is happening but yugioh is somehow different. It’s just not true. Try and jump onto a mtg ladder without proper tutorials and see how you go.
I played for years, its not fun for me. They need to limit the amount of special summons per turn. No more than 5 special summons per turn, cased closed.
@@GP.Records i can agree with that. There’s the solution right there. I can’t even appreciate the artwork of my opponents cards these days. One second they on the field and the next they’re gone.
me who hadn't grabbed a ygo deck since 2007: oh boy golly, am feeling nostalgic for that card game from an anime i liked and i cannot believe the game still exists, i wonder how it is now? *watches all the new features and summoning mechanisms and combos, the scene of the game, the community which treat a casual match as a ocassion to call you a morron and how absurdly defferent it is from when it was a water down version of magic the gathering* me:.... fuck this am not even touching it with a stick.
thats quite the contrary as a chess old yu gi oh competitive player and current competitive mtg player, the ceiling is really low, all you have to do is learn the meta, learn some pattern, learn the combos and win or lose depeding on your dice roll and your opening hand decision making have little to nothing to do with the result at high level but the floor is really high because a new player WILL HAVE to learn about 25 years of card releases, powercreep, mechanics and stuff, and so on, which is why most new players either play kitchen table yu gi oh or move away to easier to learn games like mtg, lorcana etc.. yu gi oh is probably design wise the worst competitive tcg out there, though playing edison format from time to time make the game enjoyable
I grew up watching the anime so it wasn't difficult for me understand summoning mechanics and just take the to read my cards as I'm building my decks online and from there I just play the game review the stuff I didn't remember after making mistakes until I get it right. Thats the problem nowadays. There aren't enough people as ambitious as I am that love deck building thats willing to teach themselves a game this difficult and I am no old timer I am 26 and I'm saying this. Everyone just wants to buy a trial deck and be able to compete with the best decks without taking the time to learn and be more satisfied after they've beat someone with real skill for the first time. What it comes down to is anything that adults will tell you its that people keep on getting lazier. Thats what convenience is the ability to not have to do the stuff that you or the people that came before you used to do. The closer draw to not having to do anything the lazier people will get and the more the world will suffer. I can read a effect see it happen 5 or 10 times and then I know it. Maybe it just me when I went school I paid attention in class and I got As on almost all of the time in all of my classes without studying. I don't want to insult peoples intelligence. But we can't not see things we have seen. People just don't care enough to use their brain. They just want to turn their brain off.
I loved how you addressed this video instead of just bashing the poor guy. You went thru and addressed all the issues and explained why this or why that! Thank you
I haven't played YuGiOh since HighSchool (2006), I believe the issue is that people are trying to start with the current cards, starting to learn YuGiOh with a limited set of cards before going through each type (XYZ,Syncho,LINK etc...) would be good for learners, maybe the community should create a learning ladder where you go through several important formats to learn the game.
Honestly I consider Yugioh a primary contributing factor to my low confidence as sad as that sounds. I have still never been humbled harder in my life in thinking I was good at something since competitive Yugioh. At a young age that stuff sticks. That experience definitely contributed to doubting in my own skills for basically anything I do.
If I were designing ranked I would make it so that once you make it past rookie you can buy packs not before and also on the flip side you cannot derank passed gold so if you get passed gold you cant go under it
I think your comment on "It's bad to have a coach" and "you need to go in expecting loss" is why we have a new player problem. And I have experience with this. I have a cousin, who USED to play yugioh...syncrho era. As a kid i did not explain to him the rules, I told him to read the manual. He does not like Yugioh anymore due to it's complicity, and refuses to play. I have a friend, my best friend. He's played...5 or 6 games over a month or two. He only knows how to Fusion Summon. But you know what? he can already build his own deck, what cards do and don't work for his boss monster, how to build around his boss monster, the importance of searching your deck. Why is someone lose 100 times, which is demotivating to most people (in my experience, im not social), better then being taught?
Coming off of a something like a decade break from yu gi oh. I've still refused to learn much of the new shit, but at least I can still enjoy my elemental heroes. New wingman to Master Duel when?
My experience with ranked is no different than casual, you just don't get to play. Ash, imperm, etc. Gimmick decks can brick more often than meta decks that just create negates. Everything is about negates. I'd rather play against the bad gimmick deck versus the good meta decks. lol I never see the defeat screen because I'd rather scoop than watch a long combo, the only thing I learned from this defeat, I didn't draw the out. I can learn from a grind game, but I'm not learning anything when I've burned up my turn counter trying to read and understand meta cards on my first freaking turn.
In the first 15 minutes of the video you introduce the concept that learning what keywords do and learning how the rules of the game work(steps, types of cards, summoning etc) is complicated. And to be honest, no it's not. The most complicated part of yugioh is inconsistency. Cards have their own subset of rules and even tho they are consistent with the base rules of the game, there is pretty much no pattern a player can follow to make them for example play cyber dragons and from playing cyber dragons understand Kashtyra. The gimmicks, themes and micro cosmos of rules that the cards introduce on their own is too much for a player to handle. Specially when you consider that the game has no formats, only a banlist. Usually a restricted format that reduces the ammount of information a player has to consume to understand what he will play against helps the player to feel more confortable playing the game. To be honest Yugioh from my perspective is a doomed game that will attract no(or close to none) new players, people who are still playing it are still in it because of sunk cost fallacy or deep into copium, Konami will never attempt to save the game because they honestly do not care and the game in it's current presentation is too far up it's own asshole to be approachable by someone from outside it. And the other side of the coin it's the consistency of the matches themselves, Yugioh is pretty much the only card game where you constantly search in your deck for stuff, complain as much as you like about pot of greed(free draw of cards) being busted, in other card games the true busted mechanic is searching, and in Yugioh it's one of the most used mechanics for every deck. Which decreases the game's variability in what actions a player has to adapt to win from that scenario(since you can just search for your extender or finisher) You have access to cards from your extra deck at any moment of the game(they have summoning restrictions but it's not like ritual where you have to actually have them in hand) which is another factor that decreases variability. And variability is important in a card game, You shuffle your deck and draw cards from it as a factor of RANDOMNESS specifically so it varies from game to game, otherwise card games would just be played with a hand that the player sculpts from turn "0" and play from there. And that consistency and control of what you search increases the skill ceilling and the gap between good and bad players.Which would be ok in a world where the matchmaking worked, but as seen in the video it's not a perfect technology. So TLDR: the game has too much consistency in how its played in comparison to other card games to the point where the randomness inherent of having a deck of cards to draw from is almost irrelevant. And the game has too much inconsistency/variability in how the cards themselves work specially comparing between archetypes, and how archetypes interact in a matchup. It's both the most inconsistent game ever and the most consistent game ever, but both titles here work to hinder the game aproachability and fun for new players.
I personally find it funny how everyone reacted to this video Rarran made with the typical omg Yu-Gi-Oh! to hard blah blah blah.............the most pathetic thing about this is that most people completely ignore the fact that Rarran basically didnt read a single card in either of his videos, expected to win the game by spamming every effect because "using whole hand wins you the game". Yes it is a more difficult game but at the level he was playing simply reading cards is the most important thing. He is a Hearthstone player and there are games where you get to round 10 and spam 100 cards with stupid broken combos so pretending that not knowing what you are doing but spamming is the answer is rediculous. Quite frankly the more i see of Rarran reactions over time it becomes more and more clear that he was trying to slander Yu-Gi-Oh! to prove so weird point and not actually trying to learn it because he made the most pathetic attempt at starting out I've ever seen or will see.
I think raran complaining about excavate (a keyword) was the most dishonest part of his video when magic has about 2000 keywords that he never once complained about.
I miss the old days when you could have creativity as a part of your deckbuilding. It's not intuitive, fun, or worth it to build a theme for your deck if 1/3 to 1/2 of your deck is staples that EVERYONE has. Call me a Yugiboomer or a casual player, but this is not the same game that we older fans played during school. It's WORSE.
Nah bro, Yugioh isnt anything like it use to be. Time commitment is the least of the problems. The game isnt creative anymore. Being forced to play certain decks to be competitive, 1 card flood gates, millions of hand traps blocking you from playing the game, etc. It's much more, but the just a piece of it.
So, I have a story to share with you. I edit videos and was commissioned to help make a yu-gi-oh view about the Tearlements. Finished the video, no clue what it was about. Started playing a bit to help the editing process. Not a game. It's not. It's show and tell. You show me your cards, I show you one of mine, you show me all your and the "game" ends after 1 minute.
I don't feel XYZ were bad, but XYZ that climb to other XYZ for no cost ruined the mechanic. Pendulum is just stupid and Link Climbing is broken also ruined the game
Yes that's how a new player feels. It's not about not reading the cards. I'm sure he did while playing against CPU. But the interactions just don't make sense without churning them out time and time again. My first deck was Virtual World. I have never played this before. That was a horrible mistake. It's not like I didn't read my cards. Even reading them, I still don't understand the interactions. I left. Not worth the time.
@@ZawaOnRU-vidthat’s because learning takes time and effort. Something that bugs me about this whole debate is that it acts like other games are easier: they aren’t. You just aren’t jumping straight into competitive matches and expecting to win in other games.
Master Duel is one of the worst ways to get into Yugioh. I love Yugioh but Master Duel is a high level curve to understand. Duel Links is easier but even then there is a learning curve
Yu-Gi-Oh is hard, not fun for some and the duel is usually already decided on turn one. Most children are not playing because it's too complicated, teenagers usually don't have the money to spend on a card game to be able to compete and adults usually don't have the time to play. Especially parents. Why are ygo consumers expecting new players to join the community when it feels like you need to study the game like you're preparing for an exam? Most people aren't gonna invest a lot of time into a card game that feels like a hassle to play through. I will not be surprised if Konami drops standard Yu-Gi-Oh TCG and focus entirely on Rush Duels.
I'm sorry to explain you there is no being a better duelist in this scenario, the game just sucks, and we have majorly archetype to thank for that, just like most card games same problem; their is no time, there is no effort, there is no training, and there is no form or way, I don't feed people false hope; don't play the game, if you want to have some sort of more fun and easy entering, play yugioh 5ds and everything older than that, there is still archetype problem but trust me it's much better (less ridiculous) than modern; playing modern is just wasting time. No yugioh was pretty much enjoyable at first, when I started, and I didn't even had a structure deck just random cards, someone gave me, and the rules where quite simple. the game just bad now, I'm not talking about nostalgia, I'm talking about actual real stuff, I played over 20 card games, yugioh sucks hard, as many of the game I played; and for the exact same reason; archetype spam, and +2 cards, constant meta spam, and better cards each year.
i found this video because it apeared on my feed... o my fucking god yu gi oh it's bullshit now, i still remember when summon, sacrifice summon, fusions and rituals, magic card and trap cards were the only things, the game now it's just a solitarie game, you can watch all the movies of the lord of the rings before your turn begin, and probably will play less than 2 seconds because the other player will negate everithing you do
The way I enjoy yugioh is collecting and playing casual schoolyard rule matches with my childhood friends. Growing up in the mid to late 2000s was honestly the best time to play yugioh because you could still enjoy it without being FTKd or trolled
All he had to do is play Solo mode for 10 minutes and it would have been fine Im a new player, and I played from Rookie to mid Platinum in my first season Its not a hard game to learn at all, all you need to do is pay attention at what your opponent is doing
How do you fix it, easy. standard rotation. People say it all the time and people delude themselves into thinking its not the ultimate answer. They wouldnt have to print as busted pack pushers if they didnt have to build off the current state of the games power creep. Plus current yugioh would just become the equivalent of modern in mtg or vintage, etc. While its fantastic old formats are popping up in yugioh, as one of the people who started in yugi/kaiba starter format and more or less at least stayed in the loop of how the game plays (right now im on swoswo) I can tell you I already played those, and while innovation can occur based on the card pool, said card pool can never change because its a format frozen in time. This is why standards exist in almost every other game. Standard formats exist to level the knowledge playing field amongst players, you can still express it, but the reward wont be as over the top crazy as it is in current yugioh.
You're totally wrong. Keywords are NOT the problem. Quit saying that they're the hard part. Those are confusing to a new player for like two seconds. Understanding win cons and strategy is way worse.
Yu-Gi-Oh! is not fun, period. The game is broken beyond repair. Modern players are so used to doing the same combos over and over and just summon omni negates, they get bodied by the decades old AI of Yu-Gi-Oh! Power of Chaos.
I played yugioh until someone played Tower, i read the card and think about all card in my deck and all interaction to find no solution. I see the end of yugioh in that one card and quit thé game. Now it an New game on is own.
this one's free: any deck that isn't meta sucks. You're either playing the best top 2 or 3 archetypes in the game, or you're losing no matter what. And yes, i'm new to the game, and so far, this is how i see it. Does your favorite archetype suck? boo hoo, better take a seat cause komoney isn't interested in making support for your deck, and if they do, there's a chance that it won't be enough support.
The main problem with Yugioh is that you can look up what to build and how to play it. So even if you are dueling other new players. There's a good chance they will have built a cookie cutter deck and learned how to play it, but they never learned why they are playing it like they do. They don't understand cards outside of whatever is meta. They never organically learned the game. And thus getting into Yugioh is a huge chore.
This has never been addressed but I think it's also a generational thing. How would you explain this game to a group of people whose attention span only lasts 4 seconds?
That doesn't make sense. • The people who were born somewhere around the time that the TCG first came out and played it in their childhood, left the game at some point, and then tried to get back into it in the present day *will* struggle to have any interest for the game now and are always more likely to drop it again than not. • Older people, born quite some time before the game or the manga and anime even came out, are not exactly gonna be any more interested in the game than those people _let alone struggle _*_less_*_ with it,_ especially if they had never even heard of yugioh or just never tried to get into it (or any other TCGs) until now. • Younger people are generally _not_ gonna be all that ecstatic about it nor have an easy time with learning yugioh either if the two groups previously mentioned already aren't, especially when there's nothing around to really capture their attention and bring them to the game in the first place like the yugioh anime did to a lot of us in _our_ youth. There was a short golden age where every kid *didn't* already have their own phone at the age of like 7, where everything _didn't_ cost you a kidney, where there were still plenty of third spaces for kids and teens to hang out, and where the internet was already up _but in its infancy,_ and that time is long gone. Now, every kid has a smartphone, almost everything costs at least double what they used to, third spaces have largely vanished, and video games (specifically online multiplayer) have pretty much destroyed a lot of the unique appeal and fun that there was to be had with things like card games *and* they've somewhat filled-in the gaps left behind with the disappearance of third spaces. Why try the yugioh TCG when they can just try Master Duel, inevitably fucking hate it, and then drop the game from there? Why would they even bother trying to get into it at all when they've got things like Fortnite to play online with all their friends now? The whole "it's because 0 attention spans!!" angle really doesn't work here, lol. Yeah, it's _somewhat_ of a generation thing but it's only _part_ of the issue, and it's _nothing_ to do with fucking attention spans or else the kids who *don't* use things like TikTok *would* be coming to yugioh like flies to shit right now and not having many issues getting into its TCG, and same goes for grown adults who just never got into yugioh until now like the guy in the video, but that's not the reality we're seeing now is it? Little to *no* kids and teens today cares about it, TikTok brain damaged or not, and the ones who *do* attempt to get into it obviously aren't having a good time. They're in a very different world than the one *we* were in as children and teens, one where they already have like a million other options for games and other hobbies to get into with their limited time, and neither Konami or the game itself are being successful in pulling them in - for good reason. *The game is ass,* and Konami is _barely_ trying to fix it or do anything to attract new blood in the first place.
Bad take. Come on really. Yugioh way back when was simpler and easier to learn. It became more complex and thus more off putting to new players as the years went on.
Its not fun for old players either Yugioh used to be about putting a deck together and beating your opponent Now its coppying each other to become a meta slave hivemind
Almost percent 90 of the game's mechanics no longer even apply because of the fast gameplay Examples being defense position,flip monsters,trap cards and tribute summons
What a freaking mess thouse card effect man, too much, too many conditions, too many stuffs, to many effects, how can any sane person look at this and won't say, sign me out. to much text. the entire yugioh need a reboot honestly.
I think Rarran's mistake was being so stubborn about not wanting any help. In my specific case, I made some research before starting to play yugioh (was struck by nostalgia because my mom got rid of everything I had as I kid). I started playing late 2015-early 2016, I got to a OTS by myself (none of my friends at the time played) to learn, watched YT videos of BEWD decks (I bought the structures), etc. People want instant gratification and that just doesn't happen in the real life. Matter of time? Again, IN MY CASE it was just about being organized. At the time, I was at med school, poor (playing cheap decks, no meta staples) partying, etc. Now I do consultation, work on clinical trials, studying for a medical speciality, videogames, hanging out with friends, and I still make a room to play. Rarran is a content creator, OBIOUSLY he is not going to invest time into the game, he needs content and fast. As everything in life (videogames, watching a show, learning an instrument, work out, relationships, work...), to play this you need commitment.
How do you convince new players that this game is worth even putting time and effort into playing? Thats like saying that a TV series gets really good 10 seasons into a 100 season series and that you just need to read all the accompanying visual novels, comics and interviews to understand and enjoy the show. Almost every other game in human existence has some level of minimum enjoyment without a semester of a double major university degree worth of reading to catch up on. The fighting game false comparison is also ridiculous because fighting games by design are able to be played by new players fairly easily. In every modern fighting game new players are able to grasp the very bare input mechanics without needing to learn all 72 moves from the rest of the roster. Clearly some Yugioh players have never seen new players play Tekken. At the end of the day the repeated advice from Yugioh players towards new players that comes across as emotionally driven defence of "just put in more effort and time nothing in life comes easy" is as cogent as a billionaire asking a cashier to just work longer and harder hours if they find life too hard. Why is it in Magic or any other TCG the community is so much less defensive on how hard it is to get into their TCG and instead seek to slowly educate new players through gameplay instead of scripture? Maybe the lack of keywords means that it is impossible for newer players to identify patterns without depending on GPT6.0 surgically installed LLM neurochips to read cards for them at size 6 font under the time limit of human starvation. And god forbid that reading the card actually DOESNT explain the card. Cards will take all of 140 words to basically say I will summon a 1400/1400 Oceangate submarine monster that summons another submarine monster and now you will have to use SCP levels of intuition to guess what monster they will play next with what effect, even after having seen the deck in action a few times. All while Yugioh players chant that you just need to read the card text, all associated tribal card texts, all rules associated with the card text, all staple card texts and any fringe card tech texts that may or may not interact with your cards. I sincerely hope no Yugioh player wonders why new players don't seem to be joining their card game when you've been told multiple times what exactly new players find challenging and the response is to go read the Yugioh Hadiths and that they werent the chosen ones of the prophet Yugi. Trying to convey learning Yugioh to Yugicoomers is like trying to explain human rights to a polar bear only using lines from Cat in a Hat while it is ripping your balls straight off with its tongue alone.
I’m sorry I know people like renarin but when you start your video off with “I’m going to show you how ridiculous this game can get” you are not making a good faith argument.
My take on the matter is that as a community we need to reframe the game not as being a game like hearthstone, or even an insanely super fast paced game. It's just a game where you summon a bunch of cool guys and then your opponent tries to kill you. As a result every deck can both immediately kill you and set up a board that is designed to keep them from dying. The problem is that new players aren't trying to do either of these things. The tutorial tells you to just summon a guy and see what happens, which is the equivalent of waving hi to your opponent during a gunfight.
