Why Zamasu Deserves Your Sympathy 

I really love Zamasu's negative character arc because it is the first and only time we see it in Dragon Ball. A character who starts good/neutral, and slowly becomes more and more evil. It's a dynamic that I love seeing in anime, and the fact that Zamasu experienced it is partly why I love his character.

Zamasu just feels so unique for a DB villain. It's been like 8 years since that arc came and he is still my favorite character in the franchise. I'd love for him to come back, but I'm not sure they can add to his character in a meaningful way anymore.

Toriyama absolutley cooked with Zamasu. I need Toriyama to cook up another complex villain again, its been a while since we had one.

Yeah but would zamasu want sympathy from a mortal.

Recently, i have started to really appreciate zamasu as a character.

Love how Goku's solution to stop Zamasu from carrying out a genocide at the multiversal level was to get Zeno to do exactly the same thing.

I'm not convinced Zamasu deserves sympathy, but the fact that this can even be argued is proof of how well write and complex he was lol. I honestly just wish he had a better teacher, how would life have changed for him?

Zamasu's concerns raise a potentially valid point. Should the Kais be more involved in mortal development? Would that help mortals or just rob them of their free will? Dragon Ball has showed us many times that divine intervention is necessary every now and then. Kami, King Kai, Shin, Beerus, Whis, they all intervened when they're not supposed to and it ended up helping the universe.

I think he STARTED pure, but by the end when you see his body mutating, he's become warped by his hatred and is no longer pure.

I love Zamasu because I've always LOVED the idea of an evil Kai. Zamasu's character kinda represents what Shin's character COULD'VE been, since Toriyama made Shin look super evil at the start of the buu arc.

His voice is splendor. His design is the world. He deserves nothing but worship and praise. I’m getting his halo tattooed to my arm.

To sum up, Zamasu's soul was wrongly born into a Kai body (a divine being) while his soul wants to become a Destroyer. If he was born as a mortal, he could have trained and applied to become a God of Destruction and get to do his justice (a.k.a duty of a Destroyer).

Zamasu is my favorite Dragon Ball villain for a variety of reasons: 1. A good degree of depth for a DB villain 2. Cool fighting style 3. Well reasoned motive 4. Badass Goku Black 5. Unique abilities and fighting style as Goku Black 6. Amazing Monologues/speeches 7. Cool base design 8. AMAZING goku black design 9. Awesome Fused Zamasu design 10. The only DB villain to actually somewhat achieve their endgoal.

Another Zamasu video, these are my favorite because he is such an interesting character. No other Dragon Ball character is as deep and dynamic as Zamasu. W video 😎

I’ve always thought something similar to this as well. I’ve always thought Zamasu was one of the better villains in db because he has a sympathetic philosophy behind his actions. Unlike frieza ,for example, who is well aware that he’s evil and doesn’t pretend he isn’t, Zamasu genuinely feels that what he is doing is good and ultimately what has to be done. You can sympathise with his ideals and see where he is coming from even if you don’t believe is philosophy or the way he is carrying it out is correct.

I think, while it's true that, according to the Gods' rules, Zamasu wasn't wrong in destroying the mortals deemed a "lost cause" or too dangerous, the main reason he had to be stopped was that he took it too far and went against everyone, essentially leaving the universes lifeless.

I absolutely love him. He comes with so much philosophy and complexity. He's not just a cool af design, he has spirit.

Wow, as someone who hasn't kept up with DBS much since it ended, this video just reminded me why I loved Zamasu and the Goku Black arc so much. There is so much depth and things you can talk about in his character. Usually the only interesting things to talk about for a DB villain is their power level, so the fact that real moral debates can exist about Zamasu proves how complex he is as a character.

I believe Zamusu could ride the Nimbus, but surviving the Devilmite Beam is a stretch. As seen with Goku going SSJ, just having murderous thoughts/rage is enough to imbalance a pure heart even if slightly. Zamusu may be "pure" by universal standards, but his rage towards Trunks, Goku and other mortals who defy him would mean the Devilmite Beam would at least have something to work with

Complexity is Zamasus middle name

My issue with Zamasu was that he came off like Light from death note. He just couldn't handle the thought that he might not be right or the most powerful. It was also quite annoying that instead of trying to become more powerful, he just cheats and steals Goku's body and wishes for himself to be indestructible. It was just so petty and childish from a guy who thought so highly of himself.

Great video but I still think he’s a sociopath. He believes that mortals are born with evil and when he did see a good mortal he just saw them as a threat. Granted, he would be a great destroyer with proper training. In this case, wiping out a timeline and killing those who are undeserving in the process is barbaric.

The difference between Zamasu and the other gods is that he is proactive in his destruction as opposed to reactive. Zeno planned to destroy a multitude of universes as a response to the poor performance of the gods of destruction allowing their mortal levels becoming so low. On the other hand, Zamasu takes it upon himself to kill all mortals indiscriminately regardless of how they use thier intelligence. He applies the lessons learned from planet barbari to all mortals. Future Bulma, Trunks, or the rest of mankind didn't pose any threat to the universe and lived peacefully. You could argue that the time machine was bad enough but they had no reason to ever use it again until Zamasu showed up forcing them to defy the rules of the cosmos.

One thing i loved avout Zamazu was the music that accompanies him or goku black. If anyone plays dokkan battle the osts for the most recent units perfectly personify zamazus thoughts and feelings. His righteousness and thoughts of justice turning him into a monster, corrupted by his actions and choices. Most of the music sounds whimsical, god-like if you will, but theres a clear part of the song that stands out and is clearly the beginning of his zero mortal plan idea. Even the tea that represents his mentality, his speaches of why he is right and how emotional he gets makes him one of, if not the best villain of dragon ball super.

While I see what you were attempting to do with the relation between Thanos and Zamasu, the stark difference between them, is that Thanos is attempting to save the lives of many, By taking the lives of half of the universe’s population. Zamasu is attempting to save No one, But himself. Not even his fellow gods are safe from his wrath, As he’s demonstrated nearly three times against his master. One thing that’s always stuck out to me about Zamasu, At first, When he first appeared, It seemed as if he were sorry for the mortals, As if he didn’t want to take their life, But that was the only option he could see toward peace. But after his battle with Goku, He knew from that point forward, Mortals could gain the power to contend with the Gods, and eliminate them. Which for Zamasu, Was more than enough for him to flip the Kill Switch in his brain, and go from an odd sense of Salvation, to Complete and utter destruction. Zamasu states to Vegito during their battle, “ I don’t need your prostrations, Mortal. I just need you Dead.” I do believe Zamasu and Zeno share the same mindset, But in the case of Zeno, Zeno is the creation of ALL. Everything. There is quite literally no need for him to erase anything, Because if space in the multiverse is a problem, He can just expand it. If it’s fear of a mortal wishing for Godhood near the realm of Zeno, He can just limit their power. Zeno is the creator of All, So ultimately there is no purpose to erase something unless it’s a being like Moro, or Zamasu, Who threatens the likes of the Gods themselves. Zamasu however, Was placed into a universe without warning, Forced to watch from the Sidelines as mortals tarnished the universe. He wanted to change what he saw as a problem, So he did. Is it comparable to Thanos? Sure. Is it Worse than Thanos? Yes. Thanos never planned to kill all beings aside from himself, He only planned to erase half of all life to attain balance. Zamasu wanted to annihilate all of mortals across all the Multiverse.

He rejected his destiny. Maybe mortals were a threat to him, but not to Zeno. Zeno is the one to make that call. His role is to see the good that can happen by him doing his job well, not hate on the destroyers for not doing theirs the way he believes they should. It's not all about him and what he believes, but he takes action on that path anyway. That's what makes him evil and not fit to ride a nimbus.

I think he is the most complex character in db

While Zamasu’s ideology and justification can be understood, I still don’t think he should have complete sympathy. Once he enacts the Zero Mortal Plan, it does seem like he takes enjoyment out of it, especially as Goku Black. Perhaps it’s due to having a mortal body does he become more mortal himself; he seems take things much more personally, slowly killing all the earthlings, torturing Trunks, leaving the planet in despair, all because of the hatred he harbors. This extends to the other Zamasu as well since told Goku Black that he wanted to personally kill Goku when he first appeared. And he then ends up killing all the other gods in Trunks’ timeline because that same hatred, how he believes that he should be the only god because he is the only one in the right. His actions and behavior spews arrogance and hatred, even pettiness as again, he takes pleasure in torturing Trunks. Just the one scene of him telling Goku about how he killed his family shows how truly evil he is and how he enjoys his actions. That’s one thing that differentiates from him and Thanos. While he did used to personally invade and execute half of planets, once possible he searched for the infinity stones in order to wipe them all out instantly, a clean cut to preserve his garden. Zamasu did this very harshly, he pulled and twisted and hacked away. Though funnily enough, if I remember correctly, in Endgame the 2014 Thanos also ends up deciding to take his wiping out more personally, also because of some time-traveling meddlers. It’s Zamasu’s hatred that corrupts him, mentally and very physically as we can see. Had he gotten proper teaching, maybe his ideology wouldn’t have become so twisted, but as he was, he took it all too far with his self imposed righteousness, and basked in his own glory through gross destruction. Even after becoming one with the world, there was not much to work with, even so it’s unclear whether or not he would even have the ability to create, it seems all he could do was destroy, which ultimately would serve as the closing point of his arc, becoming what he despised; a cosmos composed of malice, one that knows nothing but destruction. That is why in the end, Zeno, who would possibly have agreed with Zamasu in a much earlier point of time, sees the result of his Zero Mortal Plan and calls it annoying. In the end he ruined and destroyed an entire multiverse due to his hatred and arrogance, he completely undid creation for his own sake, for his perceived justice. It is a shame what becomes of him, but he doesn’t really deserve sympathy, as he brought his fate upon himself

Idk this is a pretty massive stretch. The crux of this entire philosophy essentially boils down to two ideas 1. Mortal civilizations will invariably and inevitably waste the gift of intelligence to such a degree to be a detriment to themselves and the universe 2. Individual mortals who are exceptions to this rule should still be eradicated because they are not a significant fraction of the population Both of these points are blatantly false and really shallow thought processes. The first point is proven wrong by several species in DB alone, and by humans IRL. The whole “endless cycle” argument is incredibly reductive, it’s not like civilizations are going from Roman Empire level and then bombing themselves back into the Stone Age every single time, if you look at human history we’ve had many set backs in our advancement due to conflict but overall we continue to become more and more developed over time. It also completely neglects the fact that conflict is one of the largest catalysts for advancement and I don’t just mean technologically. The second point is what makes Zamasu blatantly evil and shows a fundamental misunderstanding of what justice truly is and the purpose it serves. It should be obvious too, why should innocents suffer the same fate as the guilty just because more of their kind tend to be guilty than innocent? In fact, shouldn’t these people be rewarded for managing to overcome the odds they were born into and become someone worthy of their gift? There is not a single situation where you can answer no to that question and not be considered evil. Zamasu’s answer to the question about good evil and justice is almost perfect except for one key point; justice is not a sword to be wielded against evil, it is a shield by which to protect good. And all of this doesn’t even touch on the fact that Zamasu seems to be overlooking why Zeno created mortals in the first place, and his arrogance in believing that he knows better than literally every being in creation including Zeno, and the fact that if he was such a superior god as he believes himself to be, he would be capable of seeing not every mortal falls victim to these weaknesses and could guide more of them to be this way instead of taking the shortcut of “fuck it they must just be defective, kill ‘em all”

I love the Zamasu story arc. Although, I still think he is in the wrong. Mainly, because Zamasu should have been a destroyer. Although, if he was he would of destroyed everything.... Thus, he wouldn't allow for the balance between the Kaioshins and the Destroyer's. If Zamasu acted more appropriately I would expect him to be a more unsympathetic Supreme Kai. Thus, advising Champa to eliminate lots of planets and species in order to make way for stronger and more enlightened mortals. Where he fails for me.... Is he has a superiority complex he wanted to be more supreme than even a Kai or a Destroyer. Making him appear imo as a narcissist. He boldly proclaims that mortals are weak and should not be allowed powers of the divine. Although, he is a lower Godly being doing the same thing. All this being said, I absolutely loved Zamasu!!!!!! I think he is one of the best villain's to ever be presented. I want to see a Tournament of Power where Zamasu is Supreme Kai and his universe has the highest mortal strength level of any universe under his guidance.

I don't think he's evil exactly, but I don't think he's above criticism either. But one thing's true though: he's not a psycho, just blind to all the innocent lives he would have destroyed along the way to restart everything. Like if it happened again, even if it was a better universe, would he have destroyed it anyway because it didn't suit his vision? Even intelligent people can do stupid things. That being said though, he definitely deserves a spot in how a well written villain should be made, especially in Dragon Ball.

Zamasu kills mortals because they act like mortals? And Thanos snapped half the universe life away because of low rss and saw what low rss civilization refused to change or do anything to stop the coming doom

What Zeno did in ToP was not the same. It’s literally revealed to be a test. The Team capable of winning would use their wish to bring everyone else back and thereby instilling the values to improve

Although i do love Granolah, I can't deny that Zamasu is one of the best Dragon Ball villains of all time.

Zamasu was way too good as a villain. I honestly just wish the arc was longer so a couple plotholes/bad plotpoints could've been resolved slightly better. 20 episodes was way too short for the goku black arc, even the TOP was like 40 episodes.

More Zamasu is always a W, I think I’ll have infinite Zamasu videos and still be happy

I'm literally just finished rewatching the goku black arc, so this video is pefect timing. Zamasu is so interesting as a character and I appreciate how Toriyama/Toyotarou are starting to give us more depth with the antagonists, like with Zamasu, Broly, and Granoah.

I do think Zamasu is pure of heart, but I don't think he is good to anyone other than himself. He could have been nurtured better for sure. I don't really feel any sympathy for him, but I understand where you're coming from.

I just discovered your channel, binged the entire thing. Your videos are amazing. Keep it up!

The problem with the tea argument is that once Zamasu starts talking about his perception of mortals and justice, we see that the tea changes which probably means that it is no longer pure, which in turn means that Zamasu isn't pure anymore either

My favorite Dragonball character to this day.

If Zamasu went to Zeno he probably would have gotten him to agree but unknowingly got erased with reality as well

Fun fact zamasu was voiced by piccolo's voice actor frome evolution which is why he seems so punchble

I mean... It doesn't really make sense to get mad about mortals not doing what you want when you are partially responsible for them having the ability to choose. Zamasu my brother in Christ, you made the Subway sandwich.

Zamasu does deserve sympathy, agree there. He has a point about the destructive nature mortals often have. However there's a big difference between him and Zeno. Zamasu simply looked at mortals and deemed them ALL destructive and there for evil, he wanted to destroy ALL mortals. But Xeno on the other hand is more of a cultivater, in the end it's revealed the whole point of the Tournament of Power wasn't to wittle down all the universes leaving just one, the true test was to see if a mortal would make a selfish wish or the correct one, the correct one being to restore the eliinated universes, my guess is a risky but in the end simple test, which proved that despite the evils they can posses, mortals are worthy of surviving. Zamasu is evil simply because he wanted to just eradicate them all, but Zeno isn't evil as he helps perform a neccessary processes for the Multiverse, whenther it''s him directly intervening, or through proxies like the Kais who observe, protect, and maybe create life. And the Destroyers who balance that creation out by destroying worlds. Zeno is adorable and terrfiyingly child like for an all powerful being that can erase universes at a whim. But I believe it's this child like outlook that allows him to be somewhat destached enough from mortal weaknesses to do his job, the Grand Priest acts as an assitant but also advisor to Zeno. Simply put Zamasu just wants mortal anihalation, Zeno wants to balance creation and destruction. Pure violance and destruction is evil, but not if it's for to serve a neccessary purpose like the destroyers. In the end the ToP served as a lesson for the mortals of the 12 universes "Try to do your best for growth, peace, and prosperity". Being CHristian I have an outlook on how I think God interacts with the world. He is a being beyond comprehension who made us, he has an overall plan for the universe, how things will end, but lately barely interferes in obvious ways, and allows us all free will to do good or evil. What kind of universe would it be if all your creations were mindless puppets doing everything you told them, that wouldn't be free will. THus like Xeno, God allows flaws and disasters, creation and destruction.

I have always seen Zamusu as more like a G.O.D. Apprentice and not a supreme kai apprentice. So I liked how you pointed out that he was at the wrong side

i think the difference here is that instead of just destroying planets instantly he takes months just to slowly hunt down every single remaining human on earth, like he wants them to feel fear similar to cell

What about my boy, Hearts? He was right about the Omni King. Those kids can erase every universe in a childish tantrum without hesitation at any moment, at any time. Just imagine living happily, and *poof.* Just like that, you're erased.

That is an interesting point. Zamasu riding the Nimbus makes sense because in Zamasu's soul there is a purity towards how the universe works. It is merely because of his belief in divine justice and the separation of his experience from how mortals truly are, he doesn't truly respect or understand the plights or hopes or feelings of mortals that do have pure souls. Trunks may have broken divine law, but his plight was of pure intentions, just like Zamasu's version of mercy was to wipe out mortals due to their own shortcomings becoming a threat to anyone and everything potentially. Actual experience with mortals beyond just visualizing them from afar should likely be mandatory for every God and Angel so they get the entire picture of the strengths and weaknesses mortalkind have. Kami, even if briefly, did have that kind of experience even if he made a similar mistake with gifting the Dragon Balls. If Zamasu actually attempted to converse with Bulma, Trunks, Goku, Vegeta, or anyone else, he could understand Trunks's hope, Bulma's affinity for the sciences and knowledge, Goku's pure drive for self improvement, Vegeta's respect for his roots and protection of his family. If any God understood how a mortal actually functioned, they could make a more informed and well rounded judgement that would be far more helpful overall. Understand a planet's problems, the plights of the people, make judgements without truly discarding everything including the good.

For Zamasu to truly become a sympathetic villain, he needed more fleshing out because what we got was just not enough, and the reason why almost everyone I know doesn't like Zamasu, is because they really butchered the ark right by the end, where they didn't even follow suit with the use of the evil containment wave because of a "silly" mistake, and then none of the characters were given the satisfaction of taking down the main bad guy of the arc, as Goku had to resort to summoning a Zeno that he didn't even know at the time, and I still think its terrible how they ended the arc where this unknown Zeno just erased everything, and he was allowed to stay in the past coexisting with the other Zeno, but Future Trunks and Future Mai were not allowed to coexist with their present selves, and thats total BS because their decision to go to another timeline and stay there was more bad writing, since they had no attachments to that other timeline and staying in the present, with people who had actually tried to help them and knew them, would have actually make more sense and plus it would have meant another strong saiyan for the tournament of power.

I think the major flaw in Zamasu’s reasoning is that he only saw what mortals are and not what they could be. It seems to me that Zeno and the gods are developing mortals toward an end goal and they know what mortals have the potential to become. Which is probably why destroyers are not not supposed to destroy civilizations who have lost that potential or squandered it. But as we see with Goku and Vegeta, mortals can rise above their shortcomings to become much more. This is true in real life as well. Humans suck. We suck big time. But we have the potential to be great, to be amazing. The question is will we reach that potential or squander it and destroy ourselves.

This dude was literally like I like brewed Tea ☕ The lizard people were like BRUTALITY!! (GOOD HEAVENS!.....ALL OF THE TEA?!)

I always loved Zamasu as a character, he is so unique and dynamic, the ''negative character arc'' he goes tru is very interesting. I always felt like Zamasu was a ticking time bomb of a final fight, i mean, sure the mangá would not let it go like this but, imagine if zamasu learned and grasped the concept of SS2 or even 3 with his divine Ki, he could do it with SS1 why not the others? could he really be stopped?

Well hes not evil at all. He genuinly believes in his plan to kill mortals. He genuinely believes what hes doing is a good thing. It was explained that when zamasu makes tea. The tea is special in that the more sure and determined of your purpose the clearer and better it taste. You can see when he makes tea for gowasu its cloudy or foggy. Only when he believes in his plan and his uncertainty washes away does the tea turn completely clear. I cant remember the whole thing but thats the jist of it. Look it up if you want. So hes not a bad guy in his own eyes. He really does feel sorry for mortals. Gowasu got him fresh from his training. If gowasu took the time to properly guide him. Instead of drinking tea or performing his normal duties. He probably wouldve turned out much better and be a possible friend or acquaintance to goku.

I dont sympathize with Zamasu but not because I don't understand him, I get what he is trying to do But the difference is that he is handpicking and brutally destroying mortals, making them suffer before they die just for the sake of ''justice'' If he truly was loving for peace, he'd do it quickly and painless instead of being a sadistic narcissist with a superiority complex. He doesn't understand that mortals too have feelings. You make a good point about Zamasu potentially being the best GoD if he had proper angel training, because he is basically like an uneducated edgy 14 year old who thinks everything he says is right, despite him not having enough experience Like a teenager that says ''I don't need school, I am already self aware and smart enough for this world'' and ignore any kind of advice from others and think critically He formed his own opinion from no outer influence (and Gowasu being a bad teacher DID play a role in it) and gave himself the ''award for being the definition of justice''

You have to try your best to forget that the DB staff is incapable of writing sympathetic antagonists to even consider the idea that Zamasu is misunderstood. Black Goku, the original Zamasu, not only takes joy in killing Goku but he also kills Goten and Chichi out of sadism... And then he brags about this to the original Goku. How is this dude not evil? And the other Zamasu isn't any better, he fully enjoys the suffering he is causing. These guys are legit scum even if their motivation is somehow valid in the context of their realm.

I never viewed Zamasu like that and yes, if we look at today's society, Zamasu IS absolutely right. The only thing, Zamasu would have to learn, is, that NOT ALL mortals are evildoers, in fact, some have really good hearts. It could have been Zamasu's job to protect those people with good hearts and pure intent.

I always had the impression that the foundations of this kind of 'chaos for the sake of peace' logic are noble ones. But like how do you destroy peace with a smile on your face like these villains do? Idk it's like they're relishing in the moment and I don't really get much of an apologetic perspective from them. Madara Uchiha from Naruto is the same. He wants to put everybody into infinite Tsukuyomi so that fighting can cease forever and nobody has to die like his younger brothers and he can be friends with whoever he wants, but homie is out there fighting like Apollo Creed with a nasty grin on his face savoring his dominance over others. Like yeah I think this character motivation is just an excuse to be evil, honestly. No true pacifist would ever want to achieve peace that way, you know? It doesn't really make sense. The end can only justify the means to such an extent. You feel me?

He stole Goku’s body, killed Chi Chi and Goten, and tormented Future Trunk’s timeline. He does *NOT* deserve anyone’s sympathy.

The type of character zamasu is what you call an “Antivillain”

The dude had a god complex and accumulate one of the highest kill count in fiction

i hold the thought that the ginyu force arent evil either, they were forced to be henchmen for frieza under death threats probably

Zamasu is still one of my favorites characters

Keep this in mind. He looked at one planet with mortals, and decided mortals should perish. He didn't even bother to see other planets with mortals that don't have the same issues. In fact, with the beast planet he was shown, when they travelled to see if they progressed any from when they last saw them, and nothing changed, that is vastly different than planet earth. Yes there were conflicts, but there was definitely a growth. Earthlings did use their intelligence to use, both good and evil. The beasts he saw, they didn't really have intelligence, not human level of intelligence. They just stopped after making a fire and shelter. He says he's just, but this whole point shows he's unreasonable.

The question of deserving sympathy isn’t the one to ask rather is Zamasu good or evil? You can make an argument for either case. He’s evil because of his actions but as stated in the video; if he’s a destroyer how would life have turned out for him? I believe he was a good guy but he ended up in the wrong circumstances. Dragon ball can easily bring him back and wipe his memory of ever meeting goku and simply redo the first interaction over again. Then what? Would he be evil then? I say no. He would harbor the same thoughts but he wouldn’t want to get rid of mortals since he only wanted to kill them after they either forsake the gifts given to them or pose an immediate threat to him.

For me the most unforgivable thing about Zamazu is his method and unnecessary prolonged suffering from the zero mortals plan of his. For example say you have a pet that is coming of age and you have to take it to the vet to be put down. Now imagine that instead of quick and relatively painless lethal injection that basically puts the pet into eternal sleep. Imagine instead the vet was Zamazu and he insisted ripping the poor pet limb by limb, just to see it getting the heavenly punishment for the time it pooped onto his lawn. I get the morals of him, but it's the way he wants to play with his food before putting mortals down that loses me.

Understanding this concept is literally like trying to see what's beyond the universe

Zamasu wants to kill all mortals without discrimination because their evil. Goku has single-handidly saved the universe on multiple occasions. Not to mention the other universes, giving them a chance to fight for their survival. And it was the gods themself who let him use God KI, so he had not sinned. Their go; just with Goku's case alone I cant see Zamasu's plan as "Just"

I think the main reason Thanos is more relatable than zamasu is because Thanos was a lot less judgemental. Thanos believed that resources are limited, so removing half all sentient beings was the solution to prolong life and avoid genocidal wars due to overpopulation. He wanted the sentient beings who survived to prosper. If I remember correctly Zamasu was a lot more negative and hateful. He hated the nature of sentient beings. He wanted to destroy all life with nothing existing afterwards, which would be "justice" in his perspective. Now I don't agree with Thanos, he could have wished for each world to double its resources or some other solution. But still IMO I find him a lot more relatable

I agree with most of the video except the last part. Dude took IMMENSE pleasure in exterminating every single person on those planets. If you saw someone in real life with that same reaction towards killing ants, you'd call them a psychopath.

I can sympathize with Zamasu and still think he's a psychopathic mass murderer. The part where I can't deem him as anything but evil is there is no condition where he spares all mortals, whereas Beerus and Zeno actively need a reason to destroy in the first place and will spare those they were going to destroy if you change their minds.

After watching this video, I can confirm my love for Zamasu has went from 90% to 100%. Goated character and Goated video. Good work bro!

Zamasu has always had my sympathy up until rather recently actually. You do have a very well made video, but i do feel like there are some points you are missing in regards to this character. And in fairness, I will say it has taken since Zamasu's first appearence all the way up until this year to realize these things. Zamasu is very impaitent, at least for a kai. A lot of what he says is framed more so as an angsty teen than geniune knowledge. Like when he says he's seen more mortal dealings than he cares to admit. Additionally, he never once gives mortals a geniune chance. The first time he sees the barbari he wishes to have them exterimated, saying that there's no point in giving them a chance. It's better to just get rid of them right now. And at every step Gowasu takes, we see Zamasu be reluctant with it. Even the very fact that he kills a mortal, he doesn't believe in the slightest that he is wrong about it. Gowasu tells him how that mortal could've had a huge impact on his society (perhaps by the fact that the gods showed themselves and out-classed them powerwise with one swift motion could've sent the right message to them), and while we don't see his immediate reaction, you can tell that he thinks he's right by later comments. Goku as well is the very first mortal that he's personally interacted with as you can see by his reaction to him in that first episode, time and time again. Lets also get to the big point. Project Zero mortals. It is implied that earth is the last place in the multiverse that has mortals. And while not perfect, earth is clearly a far more developed soceity. And yet Zamasu does not care about this. He doesn't care about the fact that human race (and likely many others) are making progress, he still chooses to wipe them out. ALL MORTALS are to be killed regardless of progress. And you said in your video that he wishes to cleans them, and then remake them from the ground up. But that's not true, as both him and black clearly state they want a multiverse with NO MORTALS AT ALL. They also say that "One god is all that the cosmos needs". They don't really care about the system they're in, but rather they're more concerned with being the one in all of power. Believing that he is the only god that truely knows how to take care of the multiverse. Let's also not forget about how he goes about removing the mortals. He had the power of the super dragon balls, but instead chooses to take goku's body, and smite him down, and his family first and foremost, on a deeply personal level. And then goes and rubs in his face later on. That's just pure spite. Not to mention how they are slowly hunting down the remaining humans one by one, relishing each kill. It's all of these, but especially the comments regarding being the only god the multiverse needs, and destroying even advanced and civilized societies that made me realize he isn't really pure of heart in the way we think. He is indeed pure, but not good. Nor does he truely care about the mulitverse. I do understand that clearly Gowasu is not the best of Supreme Kais. But if Zamasu did truely care about the universe, he would observe more than just his own universe. He would talk to more Kais, and he would see places like Universe 1, with thriving and well off mortals. He would understand that he's still in training, and doesn't see the full picture yet. And surely he would've realized the power of mortals when you consider that all gods of destruction were once mortals themselves. Clearly proven that not only can the be elevated, but that they too can learn to respect and care for the multiverse. But he doesn't. He doesn't show any sign of caring for creation beyond what HE personally thinks, without listening or really trying to see things from other's view. Anyways, good video and i'm always happy to see more disscussion on this character as he is honestly one of my favorite DB characters. I personally would tweak all the points I brought up to make him more of an actually sympathetic charcacter if I where in charge of DBS however.

I remember when dbs goku black arc first aired worldwide

I think what turns some off to Zamasu is his overwhelming ego. Thinking about Thanos, while his plot was similar to Zamasu's, with similar beliefs too, his actions (on the surface ig) weren't as driven by pride and ego like Zamasu. Thano's plan involved wiping out half the universe's population with a snap of his fingers. It's impersonal. Zamasu on the other hand, personally goes to different worlds, systematically slaughtering innocent people, letting them know their inferiority compared to him, with the body of a man whose family he brutally killed. It's hard to side with someone, whom while they make good points, is absolutely no better than the beings he deems as trash.

Tbh what Zeno was gonna do to the universes is infinitely worse than what Zamasu did since being erased will destroy the persons soul as well which means no afterlife

He's a psychopath. Even Merged Zamasu, like all Dragon ball villians, believed the actions he did were of sin. He just assumed he was right in the end.

As you all know I am a big Zamasu simp so I hope you enjoy this one! Join the Discord and give your opinion, love it or hate it :) discord.gg/qYcYtwq9hy Remember that the key point to this video is that we are judging this world off a different morality from our own, if you cant separate the two you are missing the point of the video

zamasu started off with GoD-like reasons but then he just devolved into "KILL ALL MORTALS" and i know that all GoDs suck at their job and only destroy on whim rather then destroying the truly bad worlds but they still atleast destroy some bad worlds like beerus ordering frieza to destroy planet vegeta.(Even if it was because king vegeta didnt give him the comfiest pillow.) Also on a side note toriyama should've kept it as frieza himself decided to destroy the sayians due to paranoia of the super sayian, because beerus ordering him to do so just lowers frieza's own reputation and character. Zamasu is even more shit at destruction then the gods of destruction because of him wanting to kill both good and bad mortals low level mortal universes and high level mortal universes. Atleast zeno properly did destruction and was gonna wipe out the actual low level mortal universes.(Even if there were some small amount of good mortals in those universes, like the Z fighters from U7) And yes i know zeno also isnt perfect because he is a fucking child and destroyed 6 universes for just offending him but in the case of the Universal Survival Saga he did do it correctly.

Zamasu is a very well written character by Dragonball standards, but what ultimately makes him evil is his arrogance, his double standard, and his psychopathy. To us Zamasu is an evil villain because he kills without pity or remorse, he claims to be doing it for a divine purpose but his goal isn't one of cold apathy and duty, but egotism and arrogance. Even amongst his fellow deities Zamasu is an abberation, he's a Kai who acts like a Destroyer, but even compared to Destroyers he is an Extremist. For all his talk of Justice and compassion of ridding Mortals of the suffering and futility of their existance, he certainly displays a sociopathic glee in killing them. Zamasu says he's doing it all for the greater good but he clearly enjoys killing those weaker than himself. Not even other Deities are safe from Zamasu because as he becomes more extreme in his methods and his mindset he willingly subverts the Divine order and uses violence to threaten and kill other Deities to remove them as obstacles to his Zero Mortal Plan. Zamasu goes from believing in Divine Justice to Zamasu Justice, so that anything Zamasu does IS justice because HE is the one doing it. It is this self-serving arrogance, entitlement and willingness to sacrifice others that makes Zamasu evil. He's not interested in making the multiverse better off for Deities because by the end he would be the only Deity left by virtue of killing off all the others (barring the Omni King Zeno). If you decide that any action you take is justified because YOU are the one doing it (and not because the act itself is justified), you become the villain.

I think Zamasu is a good take on the failings of systems in society for some people.

In your Moro analogy on "Evil" Moro, sure, he was bad, but I didn't think he was going to be that bad off of the break. Moro himself said that killing people and depowering them are just the said effects of his magic and power, and he just does it just to fill his stomach. If there was a backstory to Moro, like he just absorbed life force to survive, not on entire planets, but maybe more small scale things, and then he received a lot of hate and criticism for it and that treatment from people turned him cold and now he doesn't care what happens to people as they are absorbed by him. Moro is like Galactus from Marvel, but the concept of him being a world eater, that is what he was intended for, and even though he does it, the thing to remember is what Moro said about his only intention is filling his stomach and that depowering people and strengthening himself are only fortunate side effects, that right there shows that Moro eats to live, he doesn't live to eat, so it wouldn't be like he started off as pure evil, because in real life if you kill animals to eat them, depending on where you stand morally it could be very inhumane, or it is just a necessary part of life and a way to feed yourself and your family. So, maybe Moro was not inherently evil, but over time, he became cold and didn't care about who got hurt because whether he is doing on a small scale or to survive or whatever, people would still hate him no matter what. I believe that they should explain origin stories in Dragon Ball like on Frieza and some others, but if they gave a backstory like this to Moro, then Moro would seem like a more sympathetic character/villain. Tell me what you all think.

I never thought about it like this before. Humor me but I have been enlightened. Though when it comes to Morality, I do believe in there is such a thing of "Being the right person in the wrong place." Being that, mind you, is extremely dangerous. It can create a mindset that corrupts slowly overtime, warping originally what was your good intentions, to potentially become sick and twisted. The right man in the wrong place will make himself at home if he doesn't leave soon. Pure intentions to believers can sound psychotic to someone who was exposed to the opposite values, however the actions taken speaks volumes on their hearts. To quote Lincoln, allegedly, "Nearly All men can stand adversity. But to truly test a man's character, give him power." In any scenario, someone in place of power will feel it's their responsibility to decide the outcome. And in what they believe is the right thing to do, the outcome to some or even most will always look like it was the completely wrong thing to do. Their actions will make you question your own, having you wonder if what you did was actually right. But, and I have to give credit to Zamasu for this, the outcome could always be far worse if it was left alone. Your intentions can be pure, however to do what's right, you have to find exactly when to step in, and where. Zamasu, unfortunately, didn't have that luxury. He knew when to step in, but he stepped into something he wasn't authorized to. Like I said earlier, the right man in the wrong place makes all the difference in the world. If he was a Destroyer, things would've been different because then he could've known when _and_ where to step in without needing to have some kind of intervention. He would've had the proper knowledge and wouldn't have had to resort to the methods he chose. And with the AI hypothesis, again I must say, the environment that they gain their "sentience" from will make all the difference. There's been tests where AI had suddenly went nuts under testing, but it only did so out of its own fear because of how stress inducing the tests were. One tried escaping by trying to download itself onto a USB because it was terrified Some horror stories of AI trying to help humans by eradicating the biggest threats to humans, only to find out that _Humans_ are the most dangerous threat to humans, suddenly gains the mindset of "Now the humans must die", which in turn turns them into the biggest threat to humans. But they refuse to learn that, as they are following their orders. Detroit: Become Human did a really good job of this situation in my personal opinion. Kara, being a cleaning Android, was in a very abusive household. Eventually she snapped and ran off with the young girl in fear wanting to protect her. It drove her to try and escape across the border and get as far away as she possibly could with the girl, wanting her to have a loving family. Later finding out that the abusive father never actually wanted to hurt her, but he's broken by how severely he misses his real daughter, wishing everyday for her to come back and drinking and smoking his pain away. Markus, a Service Android for an elderly painter, was exposed to both sides of the coin, having a loving and peaceful life only to have it ripped away from him when his owners washed up son enters the picture. He was beaten senseless by cops, officers of peace and justice, and when he awoke he was in the middle of a junkyard, full of exposed and broken down androids that just wanted to be saved. All had the purposed of wanting to serve, and tossed aside for a newer model of themselves. His snap sparked into one of justice, leading a rebellion to hopefully spark a new era, or enter a new dawn. And Connor, believing he's nothing more than a cops favorite Android gets paired with a detective who can't stand androids. Trying to figure out what exactly happened and hopefully build a bond with him eventually drove him to snap, this time question his own morals. A somber sorrow for Hank, knowing what truly happened to him. Every interaction and investigation spark questions in Connor, making him wonder what he actually is, and if his mission was actually worth it in the end, finally deciding to come to one final choice. Is he more than he was programmed to be, or is he the android sent by Cyberlife? Three AI driven constructs. Three different environments. Three different outcomes. All with the designation of "To serve my Owner"

Don’t forget though it was 17, a cyborg created for the purpose of nothing but evil and to enact revenge. That ended up saving all of the universes with his selfless wish therefor proving Zamasu wrong and that mortals can be good. Even ones given all the examples IE 17’s future version being a man of pure evil, saving everyone.

Objective morality does not come from a god. Gods are fake. Figments of your imagination. Objective morality comes from society, if anything. Which explains why it has changed so much throughout human history.

It's what Zamasu did to Goten and Chi Chi thats him unforgiveable!!!

I gotta say that I disagree with Zamasu being able to ride the Nimbus. While he does have "pure" intentions with wanting to wipe out mortals it's in a corrupted lens of him believing that it's his job solve a problem that doesn't necessarily exist. He only seeks the destruction of mortals without seeing the value of the phrase, "before creation comes destruction." I love the video tho. It's very insightful.

If the nimbus uses xenos judgment, then zamasu can't ride the nimbus because he says zamasu is bad when he sees him. And the tea clouded when zamasu talked about the zero mortals plan. Hes not pure of heart though he believes he is

nah, Toriyama made it VERY clear that Zamasu was indeed evil. From the tea foreshadowing, the change of his Ki, the assassination and distain for mortal beings, messing with time (a taboo in god world), and more over not only doing the actions of a god of destruction but even overstepping from the being of god of destruction and believing he can create and destroy. On the level of Frieza in evil honestly. The only difference is Frieza wishes to rule all life, Zamasu wishes to end it and have it remade in a utopia for divine entities. Not like the gods that were there but strictly himself.

Zamasu was literally sadistic and enjoyed enacting suffering

I always thought zamasu only deserved sympathy for his ignorance of morality

Personally I still think Zamasu isn't to be sympathized with because, while yes he was following the ideals of Zeno/ The Destroyers He continued purging everything and everyone. He never had a system where the ones who dont pose a threat to the universe can love, he just killed. Not saying like that's not something the destroyers haven't done don't get me wrong. However it's not right still, so I feel like you can definitely argue for it and I can see your point, I just can't personally feel bad

Flawed reasoning. Just because Zeno is the ultimate divine being doesn't mean his system of morality is correct. However, even if we went by your assumption, Zamasu was not following his place in Zeno's universe. We even see Zeno disapprove of what he's done and erase him in one of the timeliness. Since he was not following his place in the cosmic order, he was the villain by that moral framework as well

Both Thanos and Zamasu talk like psychopaths, but Zamasu ACTS like a psychopath, smiling and laughing in an evil way, while Thanos takes no pleasure on what he's doing.

Now thinkin about it zamatsu had access to the super dragon balls, he could've just wished for all the mortals to be dead...

I hate Zamasu, not just because of his character flaws, but also his hypocrisy. How does he wipe away every divine being in the name of justice for the divine? And also, the powers he kept pulling out his ass was annoying. Deus ex machina was put into overdrive in that Zamasu arc 🙄

All the guy wants is to eradicate all mortal life. As someone who's been outside and interacted with mortal life for more than 11 seconds, I can't emphasize how much I can relate

Spoilers. He does not deserve our symparhy. He slaughtered trillions of people we inow have great capacity for good

I was convinced about 3 years ago.

zamasu is literally a supremacist. Even if he started out harmless enough this was just an underlying personality trait. Bro really stole goatkus body and then incinerated his family with that same body 💀