Everyone acting like Joelinton has been revolutionised when he was never a striker in the first place. More of a second striker/attacking mid in Germany. It’s only because Bruce was such a donut that he persisted at playing him as a forward. It’s hardly shocking that when a player reverts to their natural position that they are suddenly much better.
@@jackfuller1478 oh you're absolutely right! Didn't mean to imply that anything miraculous had happened with Joelinton - I guess I was just using him as a jumping off point for my Q as the most well-known example of a successful role change in recent memory, ha
@@zonkbeast ah nice. In that case I reckon you’d have to find a player who has been similarly hamstrung by not being played in their natural position to see such a dramatic turnaround in performances. Look no further than someone like Ryan Sessegnon as spoken about further in the video aha. Can’t think of anyone else off the top of my head.
@@jackfuller1478 yeah I guess should maybe have said Bale's move from left back to left wing at Spurs as the obvious 'going super-saiyan' example. Tbh all I'm hoping for is JJ to enthusiastically examine 'what if Ronaldo played centre half??' and Alex to tell me that actually Stuart Armstrong would be a useful creative right back
@@zonkbeast ahaha. Reckon Ronaldo could give Maguire a run for his money at CB atm. Armstrong to fullback is actually an interesting suggestion. Wingers converting to fullback in their later years can produce some surprising results. Jesus Navas springs to mind.
Why does no referee implement the 6 seconds a goalkeeper can hold a ball for? What would happen if they did implement the rule and is it the least upheld rule in football?
The only time I've seen it called was when Loris Karius held the ball for like 20 seconds in a game for Liverpool about four years ago. I can't remember who they were playing but their opponent scored from the free kick.
Speaking as a referee, because it's pretty much more hassle than it's worth. I can tell the keeper to hurry up and add a few seconds on, or I can blow my whistle and give an IDFK where no other referee ever has done. It's just not worth the uproar it'd cause. Pretty much, I don't do it because nobody else does it. Funny how our brains work!
In Polish league we had situation like this: 92. minute, Legia 1:1 Cracovia. Cracovia goalkeeper was buying time, correcting his socks for more than 10 seconds, he was already booked. Referee blew the indirect free kick from inside the box, Legia scored to finish game 2:1
I think that could be a job for the 4th official.. They've got f**kall to keep track of.. End of the 90 minutes "pffffffffffffffffffffffffft... 2 minutes added time? does that sound right?"
Are players now reaching their potential at an earlier age? With advances in training and increased resource, it seems like players break into the first team at a younger age and then hit their ceiling pretty quickly, where as previously they would have developed over a longer period. Do our expectations need to be adjusted in the long term? Are Anthony Elanga or Smith Rowe as good as they will ever be and not the next Messi?
I'd like to add to this question with do you think a greater % of youths are now reaching their potential. I think back to the likes of sanogo, fierro and the other wonderkids of 10 years ago and they don't seem to have developed the same way as more recent wonderkids
@@misters6749 exactly. That’s my conclusion. So is it more important for Conor Gallagher to play for Palace than to be brought through Chelsea’s academy? Assuming all academys offer a very good platform for young players now.
Ofc Elanga and Smith Rowe are not the next messi wtf?! I do agree that players develop more quickly nowadays, somewhat at least but no they’re not as good as they’ll be because first and foremost, their bodies havent reached their physical peak yet which usually means a career peak as well.
@@markgr1059 I’d say 60:40 Nothing beats 1st team experience. But coming through such an academy as Chelsea’s allows one to be seen as worth y of those minutes in the first place. The foundations are the most important thing In any case as Conor coulda gone through another teams academy and shone (example Harvey Elliot at Fulham now Liverpool) and then 1st team minutes.
2010 inter. That team won the UCL based on defensive players( great example is a red card Vs barce I think and eto is moved to the wing and they play long balls to no one because their shape is more important)but by the market no. Even in the 60s and 70s strikers were always the glamour position
I would say pre-passback rule chanhe and pre-offside rule change so the late 70s through to the early 90s, you had players like sammer winning the ballon d'Or. Nowadays the rules favour attacking football a lot more
Questions for next time... Man United pipped Man City to Alexis Sanchez and was a huge flop at Old Trafford. United also 'pipped' City to the signing of Ronaldo, and has scored, but at the detriment of team shape and pressing, but do you think he would have been a hit at City if he'd gone, knowing that he wouldn't press or play like Pep likes his players to do?
A player who is good in a certain system/role, but not necessarily a particularly talented/well-rounded player? Or maybe JJ(?) actually meant squad player
@@minnumseerrund "System player" is almost always used to discredit a player's ability. This is why people call Messi a "system player", because they want to say he's useless if you take him out of Barcelona's high possession style.
What is the problem with Riqui Puig ? He exploded into the scene seemingly with a lot of talent but slowly he got lesser matches and now he doesnt get any minutes. 3 managers have managed him think he is not start worthy. What is his problem ?
Good question. I think because they had better midfielders at the time, so he didn’t get game time. The small window of opportunity for him was just before Pedri came, but he didn’t have the form
I've heard somewhere that he's become diva, became complacent, and demanding more playing time (while they have better option). But please take this with a huge pile of salt.
@@richtubber7740 you underestimate how valuable parachute payments are compared to a championship team's revenue. Teams relegated from epl have 2x the likelyhood of going back up than the highest non-promoted team. Of course they try to break out, but it's sustainable for a decade at least
If we look back at 2019. It was shown that quality could beat a high pressing and fit side, but that came unstuck because they thought about the previous years mistakes, they didn't do what they are best at properly and they crumbled.
The strategy against gegenpress is extremely quick long ball counterattacks to the space behind the defenders... Real Madrid and Aston villa used this against Liverpool.
Question: Which Premier League academies produce the best talent? Another Question: Why do Mitrovic and Toney score goals for fun in the championship but can't replicate even nearly the same form in the Prem?
How would you guys break the monopoly that Bayern and PSG hold over their current leagues? Or would you even want to stop this as technically they do deserve to win it each year if their competition isn’t performing and they are Love the content lads
The problem with that thinking is that this isn't the NFL. Seasons impact every season after them. And winning generates money which can be used to buy better players who make winning easier in a never ending circle. It's easy to perform the best when you have by far the most money and can buy a squad full of world class players than when the teams' revenues are shared and their talent levels are much closer.
City are running away with 4th title in 5 years. Where are you getting with this? Lillie's win wasnt a luck. They worked hard and performed. Please do watch other leagues as well before you comment saying "competition isnt performing"
@@harshakvs6652 there’s a difference here mate Yes City have won 4/5 however there are clubs making moves to compete Liverpool are right there with them and could win this year if they beat city at the Etihad Chelsea beat city in the CL final and there’s no doubt in my mind that I’f the lukaku deal had worked as promised they’d be right there as well There are 0 challengers to Bayern or PSG, Dortmund are as far away from the title as Gruether Furth and to me this just isn’t acceptable
1. What happened to Tom Worville who was trapped since eternity in the Scattergram? 2. How did he escape? 3. Did he trick poor Mark Carey into taking his place? 4. If answer to Q3 is yes, then what was the bait offered and/or how did Tom execute the heist?
I enjoyed the chat about squad numbers - it was Ozzie Ardiles who wore number 1 as an outfield player for Argentina as his named was alphabetically first.
PSG had the same problem with England's so called "Golden Generation" back then where they forced to play Beckham, Gerrard, Lampard and Scholes at the same time at every game.. All of them occupied the same role with similar gameplay, all of them are attacking Midfielders so they lack defensive capabilities..
I think what contributed most to England's (self-inflicted) problem was the insistence of playing 442. I don't recall other systems even being spoken of at the time... With PSG, neymar Messi and mbappe can all be on the field at the same time in their preferred roles, only you'll need 7 verattis to compensate!
@@lukemclellan2141 It's hard for Eriksson to choose other formation when you need to play Beckham, Scholes, Gerrard, Lampard at the same time.. if Eriksson choose 4-5-1 then Rooney couldn't play his best role second striker, And with no real Winger, Gerrard, Lampard, Scholes most likely overload the central area, without width your attack would be easily deflected by compact defensive block.. Eriksson maybe needs to use 3-5-2 but it would diminished Ashley Cole attacking prowess.. And again the same problem, Gerrard, Lampard, Scholes would go to the center.. And agakn their attack would be easily deflected by compact defensive block.
@@naufalpahlevi8976 agreed. Fitting all four was never an option. Two possible, three at a push (Gerrard as support forward? But that's Rooney's best spot). Personally, lampard would have been the player seeing the least time on the pitch.
Does bringing a player off shortly before the end of a game actually have worthwhile impact on player recovery? (i.e. the concept of giving a player 5-20 mins "rest" when leading/losing heavily).
On the show, I've heard Alex refer to certain players as being "press-resistant", such as Dennis Zakaria (if I'm not mistaken). Could you please explain what it means to be press-resistant, as well as the characteristics and advantages of press-resistant players?
10:23 I thought this section and the longer video on Pele was slightly weak. Simply measuring whether a player is “good” by including competitive league goals is fairly inaccurate, given it doesn’t take into account the quality of the league, particularly as Pele played league football in Brazil and..the MLS
What they should have included, he was the youngest world cup winner and won 3 in an era when football used to be rough and he consistently did at international level against good teams. Ballon dor guys said he would have won more than messi if they included south american players back then.
I dont know if it is true or not but I have heard people saying the brazilian league is one of the best leagues at that time. And he didnt play in mls for very long so that cant skew the numbers to his favour that much.
The Brazilian league was one of the best in world, hence why Brazil looked so much better than other teams 1955-1970 with a team full of players from the Brazilian league.
Pele's goals in friendlies are worth looking into. Back in the 1960s and 1970s, exhibitions and world tours were alot more important. For instance, in 1963, Santos played (and beat) Real Madrid, Benfica, Inter, Torino, Leeds, Liverpool, Ajax, Bayern, and Partizan. Pele scored 12 in those 9 games. Those goals should count, but up to what quality of opponents should the goals count? He scored more than 400 against teams from semipro level to European cup winning teams
@@nert-13 Exactly, because football itself didn't have the same financial power it does nowadays, so teams used to go on friendly tours to raise more money and bring more suppporters
I know you’ve discussed PSG here but do you think that the quality of opposition in the ligue 1 holds French teams back from competing effectively in Europe
Long-time PSG fan, I agree with every tactical point they made. The way we press (or don't press), squad mentality, and youth academy stuff are all topics us fans debate weekly. Only thing I disagree with is that we are basically a new club. Yes, QSI has turned this club into something totally new, but we're not void of history. We've essentially been a Europa League side since the 80s, and made the UCL semis in '95, where we also got our first Ballon D'Or winner in George Weah (who technically won it with Milan, the same way Messi "technically won it with us this year, all the achievements that won it for him were done at the previous club)
i believe the front 3 of Messi, Mbappe, and Neymar can absolutely work, but only if you abandon the press. they need to be at the front of a 343 and the team needs to sit deep in defense, with the front 3 not too far away from the halfway line. clogging the central space is a rational way to defend, and the 3 acting as a single defensive unit (Mbappe being marginally more advanced, more of a forward than an inverted 10) can be effective in showing the ball wide. Nuno Mendes and Hakimi will be wonderful as wide players in that middle 4, and i believe playing Verratti in a 2 with someone like Gueye is a sensible choice. they have plenty of central defenders capable of playing in a 3, and Marquinhos is comfortable coming forward and functioning as a makeshift 6 if need be. you simply cannot expect a Pochettino style press to work with this team, but a pragmatist and excellent man-manager like Ancelotti would flourish with this squad. Edit: i accidentally called him Mess instead of Messi, very rude of me
Regarding man utd's dm problem, is it worthwhile to try out lindelöf in that position? And what would you change about the current squad's positions/roles?
Is there a player that Liverpool can sign to fully replicate most of the things Firmino does? (ie. Lack of goal scoring but plenty of goal creations and pressing)
Question: Free kicks are almost never taken quickly. Referees booking/admonishing players typically prevents this, but sometimes there seems to be no reason that a quick free kick is called back. The ball is still, no bookings are to be made, and the player takes it quick but the ref pulls it back. Why is this? Can any rule changes be made to speed up the play and ALWAYS allow free kicks to be taken quickly?
Pelé, Bobby Moore and Ossie Ardiles started in the 1981 Film "Escape to Victory". Vinnie Jones has been in several films. Eric Cantona and David Beckham have also both made film appearances. So which footballer is the best actor?
Why is Jordan Henderson so criminally underrated? For context - a fair bit of analysis about Liverpool over the last couple of years has often referred to Henderson being a relatively weak addition to our starting 11, or selected only for his leadership. I want to see whether this is a fair account of his play, because as a spectator the quality of his passing ability, his insane work rate for 90 minutes (often the one still coming forward with intensity to enforce the press as the game gets to the later stages) has always made me feel the take that he is a strength in the dressing room and nowhere else misses so much of what has kept him among Klopp’s most dependable. Can Tifo show if he is underrated or rated just fine?
I saw a Xhaka question and it inspired one from me... "Arsenal fans generally loathe Xhaka, but the team (imo) always seems a lot better when he plays. Given that Xhaka was disliked before the whole sarcastic applause thing, why is there such a disconnect between his actual and fan perceived value?"
Can Johan Cruyff be considered the goat? He might not be the best player ever, but he's one of if not the most influential individual in the history of the game
@@lukemclellan2141 yep. I'd really like their perspective on it. I compared it to smthg like boxing. Ali is considered the goat, eventhough he might not be the best of the best. Purely cuz of how much he changed boxing.
Question: It seems fouled players are a lot more likely to be given a penalty/free kick if they fall on impact, compared to managing to stay up and try finding a pass/finish. Are refs not allowed to rule a penalty if players stay on their feet? If they are, are there statistics showing that players gets decisions their way more often if they fall (from the same offences from opposition players)? Sorry for the long question, i hope this doesn't prevent me from getting answered. Love you all!
How is it that injury rates are declining in football? It feels like players are out for injury all the time these days with more congested schedules and increasingly physical demands (fullbacks)
For the jersey numbers, please correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t it technically required that keepers wear certain numbers depending on the competition? Like in the World Cup, keepers wear 1, 12, or 23. In La Liga, first team keepers wear 1, 13, or 25. And in Ligue 1, first team keepers wear 1, 16, or 33? Something like that
there are a lot of statistics to understand how good a player is (xG, pass accuracy, pressing success rate, etc). but do we have any statistic to describe how good a manager / head coach is?
Can you explain how is it that one of the most experienced managers among top clubs, Carlo Anchelotti, does not understand how to deal with rotations? I understand Madrid doesn't have the greatest bench right now but come on, you could at least try. Better to try Ceballos against bottom tier team than trying to work Modric to death, right?
Question for the guys: One thing that was apparent during Solskjaer's era at United was that there was clear lack of coaching and real tactical nounce. Sure Mourinho and Van Gaal are two of the greatest managers in history, but they didn't have squads nearly as good as Solskjaer's. So having already alluded to Ole's tactical shortcomings at the highest level- my question is should United be looking at Ralph Hasenhuttl? Given that he is one of Rangnick's disciples, and the players have somewhat been exposed to that philosophy( High pressing 442), surely Hasenhuttl should be mentioned given the incredible job he is doing at Southampton with no budget and losing key players every season.
Tactically, he is not a bad option to build a foundation on. However, I think the problem may arise or can Hasenhuttl handle the United dressing room of stars. He's clearly shone that he is a capable manager even theoughout the bad periods at Southhampton( 2 9-0s, woof!).
