Will The T95 Magic Weapons Live Up To Expectations? 

Yeah the watching action bar was why I said there HAS to be an audio & visual queue so we know when it has reset.

Can be fixed with Visual / Audio queues.

You are so right, I was personally hoping combat beta would lead us towards something that deals with this. But unfortunately nothing reeeeallly changed from that.

Necro does a decent job to a degree but it sort of feels like summoning with abilities

That's great and all, but they have not addressed the problem that leads to switch scape by doing so, they have only made switch scape more expensive... You can still use your FSOA via EOFA while camping these weapons, the only barrier is the price tag of sacrificing a FSOA into a EOFA.

Yea, the cooldown won't change switchscape. It will just cause everyone to toss an fsoa in an eof. It just increases bis cost.

I thought that it does now. Wasn't that one of the updates in the recent combat rework? They still cancel in group, which is an issue, though.

@@TheRealZombot still doesn't work in sunshine

Yea, but all the other boosts now correctly apply. Like perks, levels, boosts, etc

This wasn’t a run on sentence, it was a marathon

@@tylerbrown2938 yeah too lazy when typing on phone lol and I should be working and not on RU-vid 😂

no spec yet...hard to say now

Yeah until we have a full version I couldn't really say. Very early on

Back when there was the EoC beta people would reimport their save and open the clues again, one person had done nearly 500

60 seconds? You high?

@@ducksquidbat8315 90s???

What a broken ability that would never see the light of day

I absolutely do think putting any t95 into an eof is a silly idea and shouldn't be a thing. I also think they should make the melee t95 not need to be put in there either. Crazy design. Jagex said they want to make t95 weapons become something such as a "legendary" weapon that we upgrade into the future releases. That they want them to feel special. Can't do that if they are dumped into an amulet, never to be seen again, lol. Why is switching a problem for you? You can kill bosses just fine without them, I know because I do it. (I don't take most switches). Other than oh no, that person killed it faster because they tried harder.. there are no real issues with letting people use switches? You don't HAVE to get the best times, so long as you can still do the content? If you want to compete in a race, you can't walk and say, "wtf that person running, was faster".

@@InitYeah out the gate i wanna apologise for the tone of my original comment, i struggle to keep the tone balanced and neutral and thats on me, but with that also know that this is intended to be balanced and neutral also. but, i think this is where the community is going to be quite polarised. i do agree having t95s not see the light of day doesn't make sense because they're supposed to be the strongest weapons in the game, however, i do quite enjoy having specs that synergise really well with other weapons and reducing the need (desire) to switchscape - IE the t95 melee 2h & mwsoa, which still requires a switch (if 2x'ing) but it's not so egregious and you can sorta get away with camping the spear, plus it's a decent spec even without the spear's passive which to me makes it a formidable t95 and is only outclassed because that's the nature of 2x vs 2h. switching in general is a problem point because it's one of those things that adds unnecessary complexity and tedium to the combat system that isn't needed, an amulet/accessory that provides an insane bonus like the eof where it can synergise amazingly if setup properly (and can be switched much simpler than 2h->2x) and provides unique builds (if there were more options, that is. maybe one day). while different, it is a bit like base builder games adding survival mechanics to make it challenging, it's not challenging to survive ,it's just tedious. similarly, it's not challenging to switch and have fast kills, it's just tedious. i dont think that having this tedium is beneficial even to speedkillers, youre shaving a few seconds here and there and there's gotta be a million better and more intuitive ways to allow those who want to try hard to try hard while keeping it simplistic enough that even those who don't, can't, or won't try hard for speed kills can still pull off quick(ish) kills if utilising an appropriate setup. and who knows, maybe having the t95's be upgradeable into the legendary status you mention for t97+ could transform them into the power hitters they were intended to be, as it stands though, there is very little use cases to use an ek-zekkil outside of an eof, you don't have this with the bolg because it's spec is tied to the bolg's passive and is expensive to sink, so unlike the sgb which has a direct dps spec plus being much more affordable, and the ek-zekkil which synergises well with another weapon or with just bleeds on it's own, it can only really be used when wielded and not when sunk into an eof. i see the same sort of thing happening with the t95 magic 2x weapons, where the 2h's spec is so crazy that just having it on command and not needing to switch is ultimately so much more enjoyable and intuitive, it's not like eof specs go off on revo you still have to put that effort in to get the best use out of it. to be completely blunt, the whole combat system feels so out of wack, there's just no consistency to it at all in my eyes, and maybe i'm missing something i don't know, but i'd rather have consistency in weapon styles (like 2x being dps, 2h being aoe) and then having unique passives and specs that synergise and provide unique gameplay options which is further expanded by having an eof. Like, if you have t92 2x melee you're not using the t95 2h because it doesn't out-dps 2x by any means, however the spec allows it to be an insanely powerful eof sink while adding the unique gameplay of utilising a bleeds effectively, while also having the option to switch to the mwsoa if you want to go the extra mile for damage output. i don't know if any of this makes much sense to pro-pvmer's, im a simple guy and tpyically use revo because i'm not looking for a cb system that makes me sweat just to make any progress, i want something that's intuitive to use, simple at it's core, and expands in complexity the more you want to try but doesn't ultimately force you down the path of trying hard just because you want to be at all decent at combat.

@shanesloth4419 no way I didn't read it as a bad tone or anything haha. Just wanted to open conversation as it's a topic I'm actually interested in getting peoples opinions on :) I'll read through this when I get a spare minute! (Or week ;p) hahaha but in all seriousness I appreciate it! Will read soon:)

@@InitYeah of course it is a bit of a word wall so take the time you need! i do just spew nonsense sometimes haha, it's partly why i wanted to apologise, i read my original comment back and thought "that sounded bitchy as fuck" and it's just me not taking the time to think how things sound. read my reply to you at least 30 times to make sure it didn't sound the same way lmfao. have a good day and i look forward to the conversation!

Honestly, I think the EoF needs to be reworked entirely if they ever plan to fix switchscape. Give EoF this attunement effect so you can't just bring 5+ weapon specs, and instead you chose 1, and only have access to that extra spec if you attune to the necklace throughout the fight.

Like?… Great to criticise but actually providing some examples would be good.

@@ducksquidbat8315 examples of specs? increase the dmg of basics for 10seconds and in that time a certain threshold has a chance to reset instead of stacks to do it. a powerful shot doing a shit ton of dmg in one hit but for 10 seconds after ur defence is lower by 25 percent. like a recovery thing. a spec that resets all threshold instantly but has like a long ass cooldown.

Why? More actions and difficulty should usually lead to more benefits in a game no?

Agree with OP. Yeah, there might be skill to it, but it does two things to game that can be brutal to longevity of an MMO. First and foremost it's a nightmare for a developer to balance. How can a developer properly set a bosses difficulty if the highest of the high end are performing 8 switches in 2 ticks and clearing the most challenging content easily? Sure these people took the time to learn to do it, but to keep an MMO healthy you need a lower barrier to entry. These people will drive the ceiling higher, and are likely the most vocal in the player base since they have put in so much time. This creates a larger gap in the player base over time. That gap is problem 2. Can't have a healthy community if no one wants to join it because to do what most consider "mid level pvm" you need this inventory, these 3 ability bars, learn these keybinds, these firmiliars, and these additional 4 switches just to have a shot at clearing the content. Tldr - agree with OP, this helps Jagex balance stuff and doesn't alienate the larger community.

@roberthayes3223 but if the larger community is the people not doing it, I don't see how that alienates it. If someone told me "you need 5 switches, only 3 pieces of food, a 2 min kill time, bla bla" I'd literally just say absolutely not, and find someone who isn't losing their mind. Balancing makes sense for sure, but the game already is balanced for it. All content can be done perfectly fine without it, you can just do it faster with it? I'm not a switchscaper btw, I avoid it as much as I can. But only because I couldn't care less about being optimal. So long as I can still do the content and enjoy it whatever.

@@InitYeah very fair points. I guess I worry that if the game leans too far towards the switchscape scene they'll start making content that requires it. So far that hasn't happened, but I'm not losing sleep if they keep the cooldown or not. To each their own.

@roberthayes3223 if jagex remove it because they think the game would be better off I'd be allll for it. I was just curious as I sit right in the middle of the conversation haha was interested in the opinions.

I believe they are trying to stop switchscape. That is why they swap abilities between 2h and dw - and the reason for the 9-second charge timer. I may be wrong.

Switchscape is miserable.

The dungeon dwelling switchscape hybrid sweats aint gonna like that tho.

I am genuinely curious why switchscape is such a big issue? You can do everything perfectly fine without it. So why are some players using it such a big deal to you? (Actually looking for a legit answer as I am curious about it).

I also think switchscape for a lot of players is what makes RuneScape fun. (I wouldn't consider myself a switchscape player btw). Why does players having that option make it less fun for someone who just.. chooses not to use it? If you actually COULDN'T kill bosses or do content in game without it, I'd say absolutely it is a problem. But since you can, idk this conversation always confuses me.

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How is it a blight on the game? So long as you can do all the content without "switch scape", why is it an issue if people can do it faster / more efficiently by trying harder? Other than "they killed it faster, I feel bad/sad about that". I can't see a single reason for it being a problem. (So long as no switching is still fine, which it is).

@@InitYeah BECAUSE NECRO DOESNT REQUIRE IT?!? Do you want the entire game to be Necro-based where every single player outside of the top 5% quit due to being completely bored with the same Necro rotation over and over again? The other three styles should be made simpler to use so that players that got into Pvm through Necro feel they’re worthwhile moving to. “But you don’t have to hurr durr”. Obviously? But the problem is that camping fsoa or dual wield is much less damage than just using Necro and is far more complicated. For magic to actually be worthwhile jagex needs to simplify the rotation to the point Necro players can access the style without it nullifying their dpm to negative numbers. I couldn’t care less if switchscape still exists but it shouldn’t be mandatory and when you can just camp Necro dual wield for better dps everyone will just do that

@ducksquidbat8315 yo chill, I'm just asking questions lol. I don't think it should be mandatory at all. Absolutely not. But that also doesn't mean it should just be removed? You should 100% be able to be relevant with just 1 weapon. They need to fix that for sure. But that doesn't have to be the only option when you can offer both so that all players are able to decide on their own what they want to do. Want to take it more chill and standard? Go for it! Wanna be sweaty af and get slightly better kill times? Go for it! One shouldn't have a problem with the other, because you are picking which you want to do. I don't use switchscape personally, I just don't hate on it because I can still play the game without it. I think we agree on most points tbh.

Charge effect does not prevent switch scape thanks to eof, so what REALLY needs to happen is eof get's a charge effect and makes it so you can pretty much only use 1 eof in a fight. People casualling bringing 5 eof switches to a fight is total cancer.

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