Winning Whoop racers use Betaflight crash_recovery. Should you? 

OH MY GOSH! That was the most epic "you're going to learn something today" I've ever witnessed on your channel, Joshua. Great job on the vid my man 👍

I only fly in acro, and it's a pain having the quad flip out whenever I touch anything. I'm turning on crash_recovery for all my whoops. Can't wait for the test flights! Thanks, Joshua!!! EDIT: Put several packs through my three whoops this morning, and crash_recovery makes all the difference in the world! Normally after bumping anything, no matter how slight, I have to either use turtle mode or pick up the quad and start over. But with crash_recovery, almost every time I bumped something, I was able to recover and continue flying! Thanks, again, Joshua!!!

Somehow I completely bypassed angle mode and learned in acro… so this is really helpful!

"Don't go into the pool, don't go into the pool" That was some top tier foreshadowing.

Great content, as always! The rabbit holes we go down together are both informative and entertaining! Keep it up!!!

This is a great feature and a terrific explanation video. You really are an *amazing* resource for the FPV community.

wow, this is going to make a difference.THX👍👍i learned a lot from youi by now... very happy to see you on youtube!!

Works perfect with my beta95x v3. Thank you Joshua Every day im learning something new 😉

Hey J.....thanks for this reminder. I just started flying my emax tiny in acro mode...set up the recovery mode as you described. what a big difference for me. A big help for sure! No other issues yet caused by the mod.

YO!!! Game changer for me as I'm learning to be a whoop racer! Thanks JB!!!

I only fly TinyWhoops and was hoping for something like this option for so long! Thanks a lot, JB! Godsend! ❤️

I just "found" this somehow. This makes flying my whoop in acro indoors so much more fun and practical. Thanks!

This is perfect for cinewhoops! Update: I've implemented this stock setting on my tinywhoop and it's saved my behind so many times. Once I hit, I often disarm knowing I was pretty much dead. Now, this gives me a chance to recover and keep flying. Also, it did not intrude on my freestyling at all. I will be implementing this throughout all of my quads now. Thanks again.

Great informative video as always JB!

Bad weather, flying inside now. Crash boom bang on the attic. Then I remembered this video again. Lets hope this will help. Thanks Joshua!

The fact that this works so well, is so easy to set up, and we completely missed it is mind blowing

This is friggin aweosme! i fly air/acro on my whoop and i feel like this is going to help a TON! I certainly learned something today.

Awesome video Joshua, I just purchased a Mobeetle6 and I’m going to put these Paramentes on it, if I get them right I’ll add these to all my whoops. Thanks for all your great recommendations 👍

Yessssss I tried to bring this feature forward a couple months ago and nobody knew what it was. I love crash recovery for whoop racing!

I've heard about this before but never knew fully what it did, thanks Bardwell!

I have been flying acro exclusively for about 6 months and this is amazing, I just turned this on and.... It almost feels like some kind of cheat code!!! I also just picked up the vfly from you video a couple weeks ago thanks my man!!!!

yup. I love this guy. Thanks Josh.

What an amazing feature, this is a godsend for all freestyle pilots. Im about to do some thorough testing on my 3 inch freestyler with this enabled. Im gonna edit this comment in a few days with my end results, setting tweaks and test paramters for anyone interested on enabling this on their own 3 inch. The biggest use im seeing for this is as a safety net for older protocols when flying at a spot with lots of concrete and bad RSSI. Id say 90% of minor "branch clipping" crashes that happen with something like a D16/FrSky receiver unnecessarily end in failsafes and lost quads because the latency and signal issues of these old protocols doesnt allow you to manually recover with any precision when youre at low RSSI. So if you fly bandos or lush parks without a modern long range RC Link like most of us do, enabling this could propably help recover the quad at low RSSI. Say you have a D16 receiver and you clip an object at 100 meters out with like 55 RSSI, normally this situation is a guaranteed drop to the deck, followed by a failsafe, and possibly lost quad if the battery ejects aswell. With this feature, the quad just snaps to horizon, you can hit the throttle and get your RC link back. Im very excited, they should fully implement this feature and all its tweaks. Its such a simple and elemental feature, i dont see why it got left behind.

This is soo going to change my whoop game. Thanks again Joshua, your the man

Awesome, I have five whoops I will be trying this out on thanks JB!

Most I've learned today in a long time. Good one!

So I just implemented this to my 5in.... It works pretty well. Thanks JB

Years ago I dumped a mini (FT Gremlin) in a hot (still smoking) burning barrel after hitting scraggle. It was somewhat worse for the experience, but repairable. I think this feature would be the way to go for scraggle heavy areas, going to try it. Thanks, I learned something today.

DUDE WTF, that is an awesome feature especially with AIRMODE enabled... Thank you!

Dang! I did not know that secret feature existed, but then I'm not much of a pilot. LOL Thank you Mr. Bardwell for continuously leveling us up! :)

This is great info! Ive bin out of flying for a about 4 yrs now, due to RL stuff and slowly getting back into Whoops. Now to dust off my NIB Inductrix Pro and other whoop stuff thats still in packaing also

Great info man thanks a nice thing to have on your tiny whoop man

That just saved me so many walks of shame! Thank you!!

Yeah, back in the old days 'turning off' crash recovery seemed to be the recommended setup for racing. So a lot of us just got used to turning it off. I'm definitely going to set this up on my new 65mm.

I love the lava lamp dude!! I’m trying the crash recovery

Pretty interesting indeed, Joshua! Thanks! 😃 I'm definitely going to try it out! Because I don't know why but I can't fly in angle mode... My brain doesn't seem to work well with it. 😬 Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊

Great video. I wish more fpv stuff got put into the suggested content

🤯 Another great video with eerie relevance to my fpv needs 😅 Question for you though Joshua: is this test done with airmode on or off? Will it work with air mode enabled?

Great Video man

Nice intro! Love the hat illusion… almost thought there were two Joshua’s. 😂

Loved the video might have to try this out

Wow! Great intro! :))

This is potentially amazing😮 gotta try it out! Btw atm my favorite lihv for 65mm are gnb 380 60/120C. They wheigh 8g with Gnb27 connector and have plenty of power and flight time

albert kim did a video on it a few years ago, nice one for bringing it back again guna try it on my 75mm

Love this intro JB. :)

I tried it out just now and holly s it works great, I heard ciotti talk about it and, now you so I figured well lets go for it.. thanks for making me learn something today 😉

This is the reason why I stayed with Emuflight when I switched to it in mid 2020 on my 5 inch quad. I started with Betaflight and used it for a year and half. When it hits something, it wheeeeehs sometimes. I've crashed my Emuflight many times but I never encountered the wheeeeeeh. That's a great new feature in Betaflight! Thank you Joshua for the updates!

I can't wait to test this feature on my Emax NanoHawk. I hit the like button from the start of this video.

Nice! Never heard of that feature.

Yooooooooooo game changer, my tinyhawk thanks you good sir

You know it's hot in Tennessee JB is flying whoops 😬.. excellent video Josh. Thank you

Thanks for the explanation JB, until later I have a tinywhoop..👍😊

I sure did learn something 🙌

Totally forgot about that feature, thank you for the reminder. I am going to try use it on some other light qwads. I mean, FCs and BF has come a long way since 3.2.

been wanting to mess around with crash recovery. I thought it was depreciated code for some reason. Going to give this a try and see how it works. Thanks!

cool video, Joshua!

I think I tried crash recovery mode once a while back. I just don't crash enough to really test it. 😀 Thanks to this video I'll try it again.

Just came back to get that fabulous "you're going to learn something today" moment.

Fun Fact: One of the big reasons that a lot of the BEST Whoop racers started going to Acro was the atrocious crash handling of Betaflight in Angle mode. I hadn't been using Betaflight for quite awhile for Angle, so when I watched Whooptopia and another big race, I noticed that the "flush" code that Charlie and I worked on with the Betaflight team wasn't working. Basically, on disarm, it flushes so that it settles and you can rearm without "the lean"...BAD NEWS first...that code is not working anymore in Betaflight 4.x...GOOD NEWS, the BF team knows about it and is working on a fix (it also is key for GPS Rescue). In the meantime, the last known good version for this was BF 3.5.7. Emuflight doesn't have this problem as it was forked from 3.5.x code. BUT! A lot of the things Joshua addresses that are weaknesses in Betaflight Angle have been addressed in Emuflight. There is new code that calculates Angle by using Euler's which handles gimbal lock approaching 90 degress. In Emu you can actually set max angle at 90 and it won't freak out...It's not the same dive as in acro, but it's VASTLY better than the old way. Emu also rewrote angle code so that you don't crash as much, has less wall sucks, etc. It uses "low and high" Angle PIDS based on stick deflection. BAM, hit a gate, center stick and it lessens the chance of an overflow. Combine that with Dual Axis Steering and Emu Angle Mode is the most advanced Angle Mode in any flight control software. So why use Angle? Why are more pilots going to Acro? Well, some of the big races are set up..bigger where Acro starts to have an advantage...but just look at the Tiny Whoop IO that just happened where Blu J and Augustin fought it out for the win...it was a tight and technical course and Acro had a distinct disadvantage. I love flying Acro and Angle, and I believe added "crash recovery" to my PMB diffs when it first came out, so yes, please use it if you race Whoops in Acro. Crash Recovery is also available in Emuflight.

2 days I tapped a tree and my quad went out of control this would have helped so much. I’m definitely enabling this feature.

Great tip, for me crash recovery works really great with your airmode off, while Throttle is high tip for Open/EdgeTX but with airmode permanently on it acts sometime to sensitiv.

Thanks!

These intros are getting better and better 😂

Wow, thank you Joshua! I don't understand why Betaflight doesn't have a hover mode, but I'll definitely give crash_recovery mode a try (I may not have ended a flight at the bottom of a pond last year if this was on).

I had just forced myself to get used to acro on tiny whoops but it's cool to find a way to help recover from those times where it goes pinging off faster than I can react(gotten rare though).

Thank you sir ... I learned something really cool

I did learn somthing today… nice

well, here we go again. Just opened youtube, and I actually learned something today. Thanks, Joshua. I have a question: does anyone has the issue when you arm, sometimes mobula 6 is trying like go very fast in one of angles? rearm a couple of times helps.

Here I thought I knew it all... Nope. Still taking me to school Joshua. Great vid.

Wow this is a cool intro!

Mind blown 🤯

I've mostly only flown Whoops in Angle mode, but when I initially got it it freaked out a bit when it hit something - especially the sticking to walls issue. Found a really simple solution: Turn off "airmode". No more problems.

Ok, this is the most important "you are going to learn something" I've seen. I've just came back from first whoop race ever, and I imagine I'd do just better with that feature.

Thanks thanks thanks your the best 😅🤣 keep making video's ✌

I have been using crash recovery on all my quads since since it came out. Not just on whoops, but 2.5-3" open prop rippers, too. Props out + crash recovery really helps to slip through greenery sometimes without actually crashing. For me, the main parameter to adjust is the recovery_angle. I set it a little higher to make it give back control faster/more reliably. Edit: it sometimes helps with walls too 😎

Now I don't feel like sticking with acro for whoops was a waste, this is awesome. The best part is this feature has been there this whole time, so I can try it out on my ancient tinyhawk running BF 4.0 without disturbing the mockingbird tune.

Hi Joshua, as always: thank you for the lesson learned!! Would this also work on 5inch racers / freestyle and line of sight? I dont have a whoop...

I learned something today

How the hell did I not know about this?? Awesome tip!

Nice video

Очень хорошая функция, сегодня настроил. Спасибо большое!

Awesome

JB, you just saved me from getting all those hairs in my motors! 🤣

Just gave it a try on my 5in with some pine tree scraggle its pretty nice wasn't able to false trigger it with my max rate of 555

I'm mainly worried about it burning a motor/esc if I hit a tree. The disarm setting seems perfect for cinewhoops with sturdy cameras where you want to disarm ASAP!

This was very helpful!! Only for whoops or would it work on a 5 inch

love that intro , haha

I totally did forget about this, I remember messing with this a long time ago, but yeah it totally fell off my radar.

There are cases where you simply want to disarm as soon as you hit something because you don't want the escs to be abused (and eventually frying them) trying to stabilize the kwad. In that case you will prefer 'set crash_recovery=disarm' option. If you see how Mr. Steele flyes you will notice that he allways disarms his kwads as soon as he realizes he is going to crash. This is a defensive strategy, because this way you can avoid destroying the propellers (also electronics), and then if neccessary you can use turtle mode to recover the kwad.

Sounds great, it looks like a pretty useful feature. I wonder if it would be useful with 3" cinewhoop. Time for testing.

I'm so trying this on my cinewhoop

Bardwell earth 838 variant is smarter than the 616 variant. Great information…I just hope this doesn’t cause an incursion.

Mob7 had a big ol’ beepper. I’m going to test this for cinewhooping. It might be really nice for those door frame bumps....

Topic suggestion: Did anyone notice that DJI Mini 3 Pro has blades that aren't flat? They have like the equivalent of anhedral wings, at least from the front. I wonder the effect and impact for freestyle/racing quads if we did that. Would it rotate better? Impact Propwash?

FINALLY a helmet for my training wheels!

8:49 I think this can be implemented. Just add both signals and send it to the motor. The frequencies of these signals are far apart and don't really interfere. It's worth to give it a try. It's the same as how the feedback signal of the pid controller is added to the feedforward signal of the stick commands.

When I started FPV with the Tinyhawk II it would just stick to walls or just jump off it right into the opposite wall the moment I touched it - completely unlike the SIM-behaviour where the drone just bounced off that wall. Turned out the main issue was crash recovery kicking in ultra early and throwing that whoop just all around. So I turned it off and never touched it again. It may have just been wrongly tuned (like the whole quad) and kicked in way to early, but well. It told me to fly acro :)

I've started flying with a santawhoop (silverware), maybe more than 3 years ago. I think it had something like crash recovery. All of my betaflight whoops have this option, never flew in angle mode. I was so surprised that tiny whoop racers are even flying in angle mode... Maybe I had luck finding out about crash recovery. I think it is not good for 5 inch, never tried though. It could be fine for cinewhoops. Good to know about all the settings! Thanks

Great video, but it seems you glossed over what may have been an important point. Does the profile number in the cli refer to rate profiles? That could be a powerful tool to be able to set profiles to a switch and potentially have a more or less aggressive crash recovery setting you could toggle between for different sections of a track. Or even just turning it on and off with a switch on your radio could be useful. As a tiny whoop racer who flies in acro I'll definitely give this a try.

Not sure of the interest on 1s whoops, but will test it on 2s: when you hit a gate inside, there is a pinball effect that could be tamed thanks to this feature.