General Sturnn: Disregards the Imperium's hatred of alien races to help the Eldar out, however finding himself unable to keep them alive. Gives the Eldar a send off and probably wishes them the best of luck Farseer: Ohheywewon!
Considering the Guards actually show up in the next mission (and are referred to as the ultimate victor on Lorn 5), they probably won against the odds.
@@Dr.AvenVon I think this is in reference to bits and pieces of 'Stronghold Victory' paragraphs in Dark Crusade. Though this is likely due to the Ultramarine backup that was mentioned that was about to arrive in the IG ending, and not the Imperial Guard themselves. From what likely happened, while the Eldar and Imperial guard were at the titan, fighting off the Necrons and the pockets of Chaos Marines and Orks, Gorgutz turned his attention on attacking Crull's main base, successfully blowing it up and taking Crulls skull for his stick (Referenced in D.C when you beat the Orks with Eliphas's legion) The Eldar escaped Lorn V after the victory over the necrons, but blew up the Titan in the process, getting Taldeer on the humans Most Wanted list, she actively got hunted down on Kronus. Gorgutz himself likely had too little time to recover his Ork numbers when the Ultramarine backup came guns'a'blazing and started mowing down his army like a weed-whacker to the grass, so he got a 'Rok' prepared and flew outta Lorn V, essentially allowing the human faction to retack the planet in the Emperors name.
but Sturnn acknowledged Eldar help against the enemy, Eldar basically said:"We won because we're that good" but the Eldar don't understand, if the Imperium fell a world of hurt would be coming the Eldar and Tau's way.
In the beginning of the Horus Heresy, Eldar met Space Marines led by a Primarch. The Eldar saw that they were tainted by Chaos so they attacked them. The Space Marines didn't know they were tainted or what Chaos was at the time, so they thought the Eldar were declaring war on them. This of course led to the mistrust between Eldar and IoM. It would never happen, but if any 2 races were to join forces it would be the Eldar and Imperium(or Imperium and Orks, if the Orks have something else to kill)
This kind of explains the Eldar. Surviving a battle for the Eldar is like surviving an attack by predators: you're just happy you survived. Where the Imperium has the numbers to reinforce and bolater their armies, the Eldar work with whoever they have left. I remember playing both the IG and Eldar sides. The IG is fast, rapid, and exciting because you have the people you need, including AI allies who aid you in your fight by reinforcing you and providing artillery support. If you choose the Eldar, you have no choice but to fight everyone, even if you try to avoid the Imperial Guard. You essentially have to clear out as many of the Guard as you can without disabling their ability to hold the line while also staying ahead of the Orks and Chaos who are after you and try to avoid the convoy of Space Marines, who are AI controlled and are constantly moving on the gate. You have your hands full, and it's a bit stressful.
The Imperium's ignorance was the result of the corruption, which is gently went toward the primarch's heart and Horus was more of a misfortunate, he was mortally wounded and healed by chaotic powers as far as I know. The eldar however forsaw their fall, they just ignored anything indicated that, because of their pleasures. They depraved at the end and was very whimsical, a big big flaw for those who claim themselves above everything else. The Imperium however doesn't do all that shit for fun.
Yes, but long ago, the Eldar had a vast empire and were the dominant force in the galaxy. The Imperium and the Eldar do have some similarities, like they were nearly destroyed by Chaos, but their situations are also pretty different. Before the Emp revealed himself to mankind, humanity was getting along pretty well with aliens. Then came the catastrophic warpstorms that cut communication and travel between human worlds. Aliens took advantage of this and enslaved/killed humans, despite treaties.
Yeah, things could have gone differently if they explained what Chaos was. But they might have assumed that the Space Marines were agents of Chaos and that reasoning with them would have been useless. But Eldar really don't want to save everyone. They just want to save themselves. But even if that meeting went well, they would eventually become enemies for the sake of gameplay. So I'm not sure how much it really matters who shot at who first.
I am certain according to Dark Crusade that the forces of disorder lost canonically which explains Gorgutz needing a new clan but I don't know whether the Eldar ending or the imperial guard ending is canonical to the continued storyline.
she says that she bested her own destiny (she survived) not the IG. And long heroic speeches (love the epicness of Sturnn) cannot abide the fact that the IG did the same. Facts over words. No one can be trusted in warhammer.
@Tommonius Hard to really know. But Eldar are disappeared in every other ending so she might be killed. I read on many site that the Eldar won and since Sturnn last saw her fighting a lost war I don't know why Segmentum Command would send Alexander to arrest her. I didn't played dow2 but if the Imperium would have a weapon like that, no enemy could stand against them and they could easely conquer Kronus or Kaurava. Probably the Titan wasn't completely destroyed or who knows? Only Relic I think.
@Cocarat206 They actually didn't. But atleast Sturnn had the decency to say a goodbye to the Eldar and even somewhat apologizing. The Eldar simply ignore the humans.
@DarkArtistKaiser "Some may question your right to destroy 10 billion lives at a whim, those who understand, know you had no right to let them live" in Exterminatus Extremis.
And while we are at the Eldar subject I do belive Tzeentch would be the one to dominate if he uncovers the archives the Eldar Laughing god and the Harleyquins protect. After all it contains so much information about the warp that Tzeentch hunts down them to gain entry to that library. :P
@zanderjohn1 Gothic actually. The Eldar are advanced enough to learn it in about a year or something, the orks got it in their genetic code to atleast understand and speak broken Gothic, forces of Chaos are mostly human and Warp-born, so no question why they understand it there, Nids don't speak at all and Necrons either don't speak at all or are able to talk through Pariahs (former humanoids turned into Necrons) Your point?
@EBTcraft15 Well Sturnn said he wouldn't help them to preserve his mens's life. Implying that if he had a safe way to help them, he would, but hey, the Eldars have nearly always acted as traitor, stabbing the imperials in the back when they weren't needed anymore.
I love the Eldar personally, but I agree they are pricks. But you have to understand what they've been through. They are arrogant as a species but I feel after time they will become more humble. But they are in a universe where everyone wants to stab people in the back. So you have to be ready to stab them before they stab you.
Exactly, Tzeentch does not care for the simple chaos that Khorne, Nurgle or Slaanesh hangs after, what he sends his servants to do is done for the right reasons, just that it involves chaos and destruction in it's path. Compared to the others he is the man With the plan you could say. :P All he need is the Library the Harleyquinns hide away and who knows what he could do?
EBTcraft15: In 40K the Tau, although, do not feel fear or confusion in their misunderstanding of the warp, or lower perception, and their belief in the Greater Good, the Etherials, and belief in the abilities of their race because of their fast evolution, keep them united and near fearless.
@donteros I would stand against the use of Exterminatus....but I will agree with you on the Eldar. Their more concerned with saving themselves than saving others, and act as if they are the sole good of this universe.
Whether or not Eldar would do that or not is debatable. The Eldar are so few in number that they need man and Orks as a buffer so Chaos, nid's, and crons don't focus them down. They have some respect, but they're too arrogant to show it. The Eldar are not stupid, they know that they are a dying race and that their time is over. They're just waiting for their final battle that will destroy Slaanesh. Considering that the Imperium thinks that the galaxy belongs to them, they aren't so good either.
Exactly, if Tzeentch got his hands on it he would have the universe in his very hand, but what would he do? I do belive he would not destroy it like any other Dark God, but would bring some chaos indeed. But like you said, we'll never know, only speculate. xD
The Eldars have lost themself into their wicked cause in desperation of survival that they have become more horrible than a Ork fleet upon an orphanage. Willing to slaughter millions off innocent, so is Mankind in their wicked seek of triumph, none of the factions are perfect but none besides chaos is as destructive as the Eldar seek to be.
In Soulstorm during one of the Eldar epilogues they make mention of Taldeer being captured by the Imperial Guard. Hm.... Sturnn's spirit has risen up to bitch slap Taldeer. "That's right baby, suck on my basilisk!!"
I know all of that, lol, and my comment 9 months ago was making fun of their dominance they once held, also, yes I do know about the War in heaven, I'm actually writing up a story from the beginning of time all the way to the recent Tyrannic incursions, and using a combination of pictures, and video to tell it along with voice over. btw I read your deleted message, lol.
Tzeentch becoming dominate makes a lot of sense. Knowledge is power after all. Also, his Lords of Change are hard to defeat, since they can see the future and are impossible to surprise.
@@finnheisenheim8274 technically all can see the future, but it can change, just see that necron chronomancer who goes into the future to change things then go back to the present and predict his chnages.
@zanderjohn1 orks speak orkish which is what you hear,humans speak gothic and variations of it(kinda like latin) and the eldar speak:Da gceilfi an fhirinne, b'flieidir go neosfai breagI(If the truth were hidden, perhaps a lie would be told).i dont really get how they understand each other,altought some human leaders have learned(yorrick knows orkish).still...
How should i put it.....Eldar claim to know more and hell they do. If something of important scale happens in the 40k universe a sorceror, Tzeentch or an eldar farseer will say "just as i planned". However no one expected the birth of Slaanesh. They never witnessed or experienced the birth of a chaos god before so they didn't see the signs. Also thanks to Slaanesh being born and calming down the warp everyone has warp travel (the Imperium would not have existed without this happening)
That is because the loss of Eldar lives is more crippling than the loss of other races' lives. The Eldar are also the first to respond to awakening Tomb Worlds. Without them (and the Warp) the Necrons would destroy Mankind. Deeming them beasts for being efficient is both arrogant and stupid.
"... the lightlings inflict it through their betrayals and manipulations. " Well that is out of need since they can't match the prowress of some factions they have to trick them into doing their job. Also this is war. Inflicting pain and causing death are the objectives here.
They made Slaanesh out of acident! They didn't know! And they believe themselves great because they are actually more evolved than the normal human and they had a galactic empire before the Fall. As for being high and mighty there is Space Marine chapter (i think the Ultramarines) who are a hell more arrogant and annoying than the Eldar.
@ardesnudo i would like to paly the imperium...the nids and necrons are fighting on a planet...and here i come with 100 ships and do exterminatus on the plannet and fire a couple of hundred nukes XD
She kinda had to, considering she shows up in Dark Crusade, though I think WA's canon ending is an Eldar victory, considering how pissed the Guard is at Taldeer.
I dont know why eldar were supposed to win winter assult since the Imperial Guard were the main team used in winter assult how do I know that I looked it up
Well, Stern managed somehow escape the chaos horde(He is still alive in the last eldar mission) so I don't see why Taldeer shouldn't succeed with that :P
I don't play Eldar. I'm just tired of all these ignorant people that don't understand them. During the War in Heaven, Eldar were fighting along side the Old Ones against the Necrons. They had no other races to do it for them, and there were enough Eldar that they could fight there own battles. The Imperium's ignorance of Chaos led to the Horus Heresy, and nearly broke them. Holding the Eldar's flaws against them and ignoring all the flaws of other races is just bias when every race does evil.
I hate Eldar, at least Sturn saluted the Eldar's bravery and acknowledged their help when he left the filty xenos to die. Obviously he praise was far more than they deserved.
It is said that the Library contains complete knowledge of the Warp and the Eldar Book of prophecy. What he would do with it is the question. But that would probably ruin 40k and GW doesn't really want to advance the story line, so we'll never know.
@Tommonius This is the canon ending since the eldar's soulstone wrecked the Titan and because of Taldeer's manipulating actions Segmentum Command sent Alexander to Kronus to... arrest her. And as I know the Blood Ravens defeated the necron, the eldar and (because of some opposition of the superiors orders) the imperials. So I hope they really buried this arrogant and spineless bitch.
It is the eldar nature, not their lack of manpower. Eldar are made for stealthing and sneaking. Yeah, Eldar learnt from their mistake, after nearly extincting out of their own ignorance. The Imperium had treason which almost tore apart everything, they only learnt that heresy is everywhere. I guess you're an eldar player, that's why you defend them so fiercefully, despite they'd butcher your whole town to recover a single spirit stone.
i hope they will i wanna immagine if the entire imperiums army massed lol...we have seen until now only a small smalll verry small fraction lol... i just hate the horus heresy...because most of our tech was forgotten and we dont advance :( in tech eny more
According to Relic and GW, the Eldar ending is legit, but Sturnn survived. The reason Lukas in Dark Crusade is sent to Kronus, other than to take it back for the EMPRAH, is to kill Taldeer for destroying the Titan. Interesting stuff, this internetz.
Ha! Research an army that can phase out! No wonder why the Imperial guard are going nowhere! Also...Victor takes the spoils of war...Just cause guard got owned....again...
Like I said, the Eldar learned from their mistakes, yet you still hold it against them. The amount of self control the Eldar have now, to resist all those temptations, should be reason enough to forgive them. The Imperium, however, are willing to kill all other sentient life because they think the galaxy belongs to Man. Having a bad experience with Xenos in the past doesn't condone the extermination of everyone you come across.
@SentinelConvergence but humans have someting that the elder will never know.. Faith, Bravery, Pride, Strength (since the humans are the weakest race off all...) and many others.
@requiemaura Calm down gee. I understood the dialogue its pretty complex. gee you don't know me , I am doing things. I just found out about DOW and got a bit interested. And you uses the word noob just because I commented on the dialogue!
@Scarbgunner the games dont mention it. the novel by CS. Goto is crap and he makes up his own facts. Anyway just look at Dark Crusade. Taldeer survives. just ask on teh forums. Eldar are the cannon winnners in WA
