Wintrading…Live in Pro play?! 

The Ultraliga have responded by suspending the 2 players for 2 games while the investigation is ongoing: x.com/UltraligaEN/status/1750151204942787061?s=20

Finally, Chinese wintraders escaped my solo q and went straight to pro play. Xi sends his regards.

That is just flat running it at that point. The commentators in case your curious are just in a state of disbelief watching this plays, stuff like "this has to be a simulation" (this cant be real) and overall are just very confused with whats going on. Do want to highlight the Gwen ending with lovely commentator gems like, "let me out, I am done, I'm leaving this game". Hats off to the top and bot for salvaging this.

that is 100% a wintrade.

As a bronze player, these clips you showed make me feel right at home.

For me this was wintrading. Also ex ultraliga players said that this was 100% wintrade. Ultraliga said they will open and investigation.

Just to let you know. If the team and ultraliga can prove the Matchfixing allegations those 2 can face jail time up to a couple years in Poland. (we have pretty hefty laws in place regarding matchfixing due to the fact that we used to have a matchfixing mafia in Poland. They chose the wrong country to do that shit.

I hope the other 3 players get some attention for literally clutching up a 3v7

Not just wintrading, this is matchfixing. A practice that is illegal in a lot of countries.

That teamfight where Jayce does nothing is what really sold me. Try not to make it too obvious challenge (impossible)

okay so im polish and i will try to translate what they've said at 1:44 he was talking about stuff that happened previously (not about lee sin walking in straight line) and then he was saying that there were happening tp on top like they didnt notice what just happened 2:30 "there is ggiler (corki) and desolinee (k'sante) up but this is really huge damage that irons(wolf team) can deal and they probably could end it very soon, but wait? ODIN?!" 3:00 they were talking about it being 4v3 and that they (ESCA) had no reason to fight it they just didnt notice jayce's movement and ignored it 3:30 one of them said that he thought they will continue it and the other one said like "why?" i guess cus of jayce resetting it and the other one said that Mazi could come on elder at 4:05 he's saying something like "no, no it's a simulation" and that it's a joke like they noticed it being win trading it was pretty hard to translate especially with the words they used cus they are hardly ever used (also my english could be better) but i hope it helped a little bit

If you’re interested you should go watch the full game, there’s WAY more they both do I just included examples I thought were probably the most obvious. Thanks for watching!

If I saw this happen in a bronze ranked game I wouldn't bat an eye, but this is a PROPLAY scene. I don't for a second doubt this is wintrading. 100% it is. A Jayce not finishing inhib then flash inting a kill. A Jayce starting elder instead of helping his team then leaving once the team comes to elder A Jayce not using abilities in a teamfight A lee sin jumping into the base, wasting ult, wasting flash. These sound like things you would see watching iron gameplay

It's so funny knowing they lost their money and their future in LoL

In this case, having the Riven gameplay play in between the clips is a bit confusing

I havent seen a wintrade this obvious since that time in 2010 WoW where I autoran into a wall for 30 seconds and kept rotating in place, randomly mistiming my spells to make it seem like I was lagging because this chick said she'd send me nudes if I let her get 2200 rating. Still the most WORTH business exchange I have ever done to this day.

1-2 Obvious mistakes is normal 3 Obvious mistakes and it's suspicios 4-5 Obvious mistakes and worth investigating 6 Obvious mistakes and it's basically discided 7+ Obvious mistakes and it's confirmed -Official measurement on LoL mistakes in pro play to determine a wintrade patent pending

In scandinivain mythelogy,odin is considerd a trickster,but unlike loki or other trickster his trickery is based on his knowledge and wisdom,he dosent trick to harm them,he is like merlin from the arthur king legend,ironic seeing as this odin lack both knowledge and well intentions

Casters: "we are living in simulation or are we a part of some large scale prank?" 😂

There was also a situation in this game at around 15 mins where kylin just ran at 3 ppl on mid giving up 150g bounty and one of the commentator said "none of the champs in ESCA's team can respond to Gwen on a sidelane (kylin dies) unless kylin donates a kill" Two minutes later Odin tps to a fight a little late and then goes in 1v4 on a full hp ksante after his death commentator said "I dont understand Odin's decision to go in" At 21min we could also see Odin and hylin going in on a naut who was surrounded by his 3 teammates, after Odin dies commentators were shocked and wondering why he went in instead of poking and one of them also pointed out that he still has flash up

The leesin going in and out, flash kicking aphelios etc seems like soloq when one guy wants to have fun and doesn't care to win ahah

I hope kylin and Odin borrowed money from a super sketch hyper violent loan shark to make those bets.

that looks like an insane wintrade wow..... the casters going "no way..this has to be a simulation" LMAO

At 1:39 he said: "Positive Thinking. Tp to top!!" So yea. He didn't notice this. In later clips he says that this is like a simulation and a joke.

There's also Jayce solo dying at bot inhib 1v4 right after securing Elder while the enemy team (including a Maokai with ult up) is on vision in their own base and he doesn't even flash Maokai's ult although he coud easily have dodged it

why do people wintrade... (seriously why? idk lol)

One: I'm positive that was win-trading. Too many stars aligning there for it to be anything but. Two: HeSSZero, Ruf, and Endz need actual medals for that performance. They basically looked their midlaner and jungler in the face, said, "No", and just dragged them by the balls straight across the finish line kicking and screaming, lol.

Riot: I’m gonna pretend i didn’t see that, same goes for all the team mates you guys get in solo que that int/run it down or have bought accounts

the jungler's definitely sus, but I am not 100% that he's wintrading the mid laner on the other hand... yeah he's wintrading out of his mind.

Hi polish person here, I decided to translate the commentators: 1:42 commentator 1: what just happened? - prob refering to an action made right before the lee sin didnt perform a ward hop commentator 2: positive thinking, (gwen) teleporting to top - referring to gwen tping top in an energetic voice so to say the least, they absoulutely didnt notice the play 2:37 both of the commentators were surprised at the flash, but none of them noticed that odin didnt destroy the inhib 2:55 they didnt notice odin, they commentate over the fact that esca shouldn't have taken the fight 3:30 commentator 1: this is definitely a problematic situation, surely for both of us beacuse.. commentator 2: (cuts him of) look at this, oh i thought they would continue this (elder drake) and i wanted to say that Mazi (Maokai) would come here 4:05 commentator 1: no, no, this is a simulation *laughs like a maniac*. this has to be some sort of a large-scale prank

i was watching that live its incredible how their team still managed to win the game props to gwen for popping off

If anyone asks me the definition of wintrading, I'll link this match

Funnily enough, there were a few games during Worlds two months ago that looked like pretty obvious wintrading too but no one spoke up about it.

yeah wintrade, the "no casting" thingy is a classic from chinese wintraders, you would see it blatantly in Tyler1 streams when he was being betted on, there's somewhere in his vod reviews one where a ezreal just straight up refuses to shoot any abilities for a fight and they lose because of it, with them being blatant and known wintraders

Nahh that Elder start and casually leaving was so blatant LMAO

Oh what I would give to hear the comms from that game

Some of these *could* be *potentially* argued as just misplays, but the one that really seals the deal beyond an absolute doubt was the clip of Jayce just not doing anything in the fight but running around.

me trying to climb the teammates in my promos :

Imagine how the other team is feeling now knowing this. They pretty much lost a 3v5 game lol.

100% wintrading like this is something id expect from a autofilled jungler/mid to do...

It’s always the Chinese lol

This lee play when having baron and drake is literaly my game from Yesterday PTSD from this play here

When you need to make the wintrade so blatant because your toplane and ADC is cracked, and manage to win the game, is something else.

If this happened in my silver ranked game, I’d type in chat “Lee, you good bro????” 💀

1:37 its like "don't act like you are larssen (from rogue) in this game" and then someone says "what was that?" then slivan screams "so what, positive thinking tp top from iron wolves"

Nice video (as always, been a fan for a while now). One minor detail that bothers me that I just wanted to express. When talking about clips in detail (like you did in this video), having your own clips in the background really throws me off. I love them in general and it's nice to watch your riven outplays while listening, but when you're explaining clips, I tend to try to connect your explanation to the clip I'm watching atm and it makes it hard to focus on either. I suggest when you explain the clip have parts of it play and then cut to play the whole clip as you do already. Maybe it's just me, but I just wanted to point it out. Sidenote, this is not a judgy coment at all. I don't want to seem like I know everything about video making. I'm just saying this with absolute love for your content

I can't tell the difference since that's what I see everyday in my solo queue

there are no rooms for opinions here, this is as blatant as wintrading in pro play can get lol then again, this might secure them a future as LEC junglers

i knew it was wintrade since the inhibitor. also i like your new pfp rival

Quick translation as I'm Polish of the first clip "Co to było? (the dissapointed sounding voice) No co, pozytywne myślenie. Teleportacja na topa! (the loud part)": What was that? (the dissapointed voice) Positive thinking. Tp to top! (The loud part) Edit: Rest of the clips don't really havev any important commentary

giga wintrade players of this caliber know exactly what they are doing

Hidden pool agents at it again, but this time caught in hd

Some could be explained by purely not paying attention (the inxib i can understand the first part, not the second eith the flash) but others are really strange. Like the last lee sin example, or the elder solo by jayce

I am more surprised that Estonian players are in Esports league, as an Estonian myself, that does put a smile on my face

Dont forget the fact that if "Rybson" didin't say out loud what he thinks then this wintrade might have been not seen by many. Good vid as always!

😂😂😂 3v7 is a straight mental warfare

Season 1 gaming

Could've paused the clips during the explanation and not throw in Riven clips during the explanation of upcomming clips here mate

honestly, if they're new on the team and the only chinese players on the team, most of this could be explained by being nervous and miscommunication, I'd love to hear the team's communication during this cause it can be hard to fit in with a new squad

The second jayce clip and the last clip of lee are 100% win trading ,like the jayce didnt use a single spell or even autos .

Clips are weird but the best evidence BY FAR is the way the betting seemed to go. It's always pretty suspicious when betting odds shift alot

Translation 1:40: What was that? What possitive thinking, procession to top. 2:20 they can end it wait a minute ODIN 2:50 just talking about fight they arent mentioning jayce even once 3:30 This is really problematic Look at that, look at that They can't continue (elder drake) 4:00 no no, this is, this is simulation ha ha This is like very hard joke to understand That is basically it

3 vs 7 and still winning😅

That was straight up matchfixing, could not be more obvious lol

Mannnn you can't post this after LCK night, this low key scared me that KT or DK were win trading with a team

they just wanted to cash in but her teammates said no XD

Thank your for making a video about a reddit post. But why do you comment over a random riven match up instead of pausing the clip in the beginning so we can actually follow your "analysis" ?

Good job to the 3 players who won despite not having a mid jungle presence, I hope that the 2 win trades get dropped or have to pay some sort of fine or something

The comentators in the 1st clip 1:44 -What was that.... - What - It was positive thinking, teleportation is ass This is literally what they are saying. What second one says us a bit weird but I guess it was an irony that jumping to a ward - teleportation, is lame. 2nd clip 2:32 - They are gonna win that! -They can end it this moment -No, wait... -But, one moment... -Indeed (something inaudible) wide (something inaudible)

They were just trying their best and we should respect them for it!

1:48 the commentator said:what was that, then Well, teleportation sucks

Pin or like it to for ppl to see - After the game, polish streamers had a conversation with Heszzero (gwen) and yea, he said it was XD match, afterwards quite fast those 2 wintraders got banned from competing in the 2 future games and stuff, afterwards there was an investigation about them, sadly for the Hesszerio, Endz and Ruf, since they lacked 2 ppl to even compete in the games that were in future days, they lost 2 games by default bcs of lack of team to even begin with.

that 1 lee sin play was 100% troll.... he had no place there. it was like watching trolls in Emerald do random shit for the sake of being random

i am from poland and i saw this match with comment of few ex pro players rybson nervarien etc. they all were soo suspicius about behavior of odin and kylin (propably they made this all public from poland to riot and rest of the world) so im pretty sure that they were trying to wintrade this match.

Yeah... it looks like my games

This isn't the first match I would suspect of wintrading/matchfixing. From what I have seen, albeit subtle- I have suspicions on LCK games, and LEC games over time. Some things just seemed too uncanny.

looks like my solo q teammates

The commentators in 1:40 didn't really say anything about the lee sin one just said ,,What was that'' with despair while the other one addressed with enthusiasm that there is tp top.

Some of it might by miscommunication or whatever, but IMO the clip with the inhibitor left at 1 hit followed by a suicide engage was very obviously on purpose.

1:45 he said: what was that?

massive iBuyPower flashbacks here

grory to d motherrand

I wish my teams in ranked inted this soft instead of straight up running it down. 100% a wintrade

Oof. I really want to give them the benefit of the doubt and blame it on bad communication, and tilt, or them trying to show off and make a name with some flashy play… but this is pretty bad (especially the fight where Jayce doesn’t auto). Best case scenario: there was a huge communication issue and these players were nervous and/or just trying to make a name for themselves by doing something solo or crazy (and maybe not knowing the patch well). Maybe even tilting after their champions fell behind and fell off. If they had any real professional gameplay experience/history then this is pretty inexcusable… what worries me is that even their own teammates were question mark pinging them.

Just watching this 2:50 it's already enough

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this was match fixing and not wintrading. They even bet on themselves to lose

There are only 2 possibilities either it's a wintrade or they should not be there

I don't know how familiar you are with the dota scene but matchfixing happened a lot with the chinese

2 future mc donalds employees

Wait.... this isnt Palworld news!!?!

What benefits could they get from Wintrading?

looks like a Normal SOLOq Game LMAO

Okay that Jayce play where hes just running in circles in the fight in hammer form doing absolutely nothing is DEFINITELY wintrading behaviour wtf????

im gonna be a pro player!

2:16 what the zed doin? xddd

did you ever think maybe they just nervous and really bad

This is one of the most obvious wintrading, or at least running it down situations ive seen

100% wintrade. If I saw this in my diamond/master games then It would either be someone literally wintrading, or the only other possible option would be that they were trolling the team for whatever babyrage reason. Or MAYBE the Jayce spiked to 2000 ping in the middle of the team fight. Obviously none of these can realistically occur in a professional environment, so that leaves one option. I would rather bet my chances on winning the lottery than this being a 100% normal pro game.

The only way back for Kyle’s is to rename himself as Shoeless Joe Jackson.