It's my opinion and overall understanding of screens going back even to the old CRT's that Brightness is a trickery thing cause if you drive it up too much you oversaturate the picture and you loose every detail in the color pallette. Having a real high value of nits is not always best if you can control your viewing environments and ambient light sources. I learned way back on CRTs to turn both contrast and Brightness all the way down, then adjust the contrast up and find the spot where you don't see any light comming from the screen. Then you turn up your brightness to your prefeared mode. That of course doesn't tell anything about how well your screen is calibrated but is just fast way of setting your screen up. We all have different sight and how each person sees different colors can vary both depending wether you have a perfect sight or not, if you use glasses and how old you are. Very iinformative video.
So is this a comparison of LG C1 to Samsung S95B? , a better more fair comparison would be the LG G2 to the S95B. Being as they are almost the same price and both released in the same year. I have seen each set and preferred the G2 overall quality and brightness. I found the S95B's strength in colour brightness to look unnatural and over saturated. I also prefer the blacks of the LG G2 and motion . The build quality is night and day when compared to the S95B as well as the OS. The cherry on top for me was dolby vision. Brighter does not always mean better . My biggest concern is how long Samsung panels will last?, as they push things brighter with out a heat sink i guess we will only find out if this will become a problem in a 6 months to a couple of years use. This was another reason I opted for the G2 and its free 5 year guarantee. My comment are no way intending to say the S95B is not an amazing TV it very much is. Just my own personal preference is towards the G2.
Thank you no biased opinion and the truth, Hollywood film making is looked on LG Evo screens while filming , so I want to see what they want us to see not over saturated, just my opinion I own the S95B for my kids room a G2 83 in my bedroom and waiting for the G3 to come out for the living room, LG is the original makers of OLED. So why not go with the main source?
In term of Eye comfort, is there any advantage of one over the other? I'm an owner of S95B, and i Feel it strains my eyes after more than max an hour of watching/gaming. I use Warm2 tone and Movie setting. Is it the OLED invisible Flicker? is there a different between both panels in regards to Eye comfort?
I am really happy with qd oled which I purchased following several videos of yours. I'm still impressed 3 months later at gaming and film maker mode for movies.
Seems more like the issue is color temp and calibration, rather than the inability to display colors. You can tell this from the beginning, where the sky is almost an aqua blue on the WOLED. When the color temp is shifted too cool, you'll end up with exactly these issues of purples not being purple enough (because purple is function of red and blue), and the reds being too orange, because what happens when you add blue to red? You get a browner orange color! That's why instead of blood orange, you got what is more like a burnt sienna color. What happens when you add too much blue to purple? You get a darker purple. The fact that it follows this pattern, is proof that the issue is the color temp is set too cool on the WOLED, rather than it being purely a function of color capability. Shift the color temp to neutral or warmer and all those color issues will go away.
The problem for me is that the Samsung S95B crushes shadow detail on hdr content and overbrighten things. The LG C1 looks more natural. It would be great if the QD Oled had the best of both worlds.
I think QDOLED is and will be the better tech but as an LGC1 owner having you break things down like this makes me far less envious for sure! Always appreciate you man!
Great in depth review. I’m interested in seeing a comparison with these two TVs and the Sony a95k, which pairs improved color processing with a qd oled panel
Hello, great comparison. Whilst QD-OLED is new and seemingly more attractive technology, I still prefer WOLED, as its more accurate and reliable. You know what you are getting, its universal. Maybe in three years, QD-OLED will dominate completely, we will see...
Maybe, but in seriously doubtful. Hisense' ULED tech is pretty goddamn crazy. Already doesn't even look like an LED panel; and for 2023, they're coming out with the ULED-X, which is going to have 5000+ dimming zones vs the current 528, as well as capable of 2500 nit brightness, among many other massive improvements.
Spider-Man looked better on the Samsung but the brick looks better on the Lg. It’s crazy bc that level of nuance is where we’re at technology wise. For me without a doubt my next tv I want to be a qd led but I’m holding out for Samsung to get their shit together in 2023 models. I don’t have that level of confidence in them to buy right now despite there being no doubt it’s the more colorful and brighter tv.
@@rogerrenoj idk I’m on the fence about the real value of Dolby vision. At least streaming wise. But if you use Apple TV most Dolby vision titles have hdr10 or 4k UHD. I’ve really only enjoyed DV on like marvel movies or planet earth
So right now, at this time, which TV do you recommend we buy? The LG C2 or the Samsung S95B? After all the updates, which one you do you prefer/recommend?
I think QD OLED is the future, it is the better technology overall in my eyes. Even Samsuns QLED TVs aren't interesting to me at all anymore since I own my S95B. The picture blows you away. I would say that you can't improve LED/LCD displays to a level at which they are equal or better to QD OLED or even regular OLED Displays overall. I also think that regular OLEDS/WOLEDS are not futureproof since QD OLED is just so much better in most aspects. LG should try something new.
Hey Quantum thx for the comparison! Do you think Sony, on the paper, could have the best 2023 tv with the qd-old panel and the new mediatek chipset? I say on paper because imo I feel like they failed to deliver for the past 2-3 years on the software side. Thx for the work!
Seems like you can't win either way. But I wonder why LG doesn't switch to QD-OLED. Is it because they're not able to, or is it because they think WOLED is still better overall?
They make more $$$ by just improving WOLED right now. In the probably near future though they might have to come up with a totally new OLED technology to keep up with the maturing QD-OLED technology.
QD oled made their improvements, now w oled has to catch up. Although like you said, color is washed with the QD oled. W oled needs to brighten up a bit.
What mode are you using I mean is there a bass line to this test? Before you start showing things like this I would like to see personally how the TVs are set.
All setting are available exclusively for channel members. You're welcome to join if it means that much to you. Otherwise don't hold me to unfair standards of disclosure no other youtuber follows. Hdtvtest, digital trends, nor anyone else tells you every setting before comparing. So you'll have to excuse me for keeping that same energy.
He says LG lowers black levels so black nuances not full blacks. And if the question is how can full black on LG look blacker it's because they use a polarizing filter so it's abyss black as no light enters whereas on the qdoled some few external light enters so they don't look as deep
@@Quantum_TV Agreed in terms of color volume and brightness. But that grey screen in a room with any ambient light drops the percieved contrast as the screen is not jet black in that circumstance...Thus defeating the purpose of OLED. I returned the S95B for the C2 because of that reason. If you watch TV like a vampire with all your curtains closed in a pitch black room all the time than sure it's fine. But in a room with light you are losing that contrast due to the screen being grey instead of black. Now apparently samsung has made some changes to the anti reflective coating to make the screen more black in the 2023 models but the reviews will tell if it is true or not.
Pue no la verdad el qdoled muestra imajenes exageradas de color muy antinaturales solo atree a la vista a ojos que se dejan impresionar por colores saturados,ademas los smartv samsung son de menor calidad que lg
Even though it still falls very short of Plasma, RGB-OLED is so much closer to late generation Plasma displays, it's just much more "alive" looking, deeper, richer, more vibrant, I really want to see what Tandem RGB-OLED and PHOLED looks like vs the best Pioneer and Panasonic Plasma displays, I think a 8K or 12K multi-stack PHOLED will finally be able to surpass the best Kuro Plasma monitors, I'd also like to see what RGBY-OLED looks like, as having the extra yellow subpixel really increased fidelity and colour luminance in the Sharp Quattron RGBY-IPS LCD displays, it gave an extra 25% resolution/PPI, and at least 20% higher colour luminance and full screen brightness, if it can do that for LCD, then imagine the benefits for OLED, especially combining RGBY with multi-stack PHOLED, if they combine RGBY, MVA (they could even treat the micro lenses with quantum dots), multi-stack (2, 3 or even 4 self-emissive OLED layers), and lastly the upgraded and much better pure phosphor based RGB organic LED's (current OLED is only florescent based), they would also need to either fitch sample & hold, or use 600Mhz rolling-scan/bar modulation, if they combine all 5 of these technology factors and improvements to an OLED display, along with a 12K resolution (perhaps even 16K), something tells me this would produce the most incredible display we have ever seen to date, not even Panasonic's MegaCon prototype could match it.
Hard to trust this review without any context as to what picture mode and settings both of these TV'S are displaying. How do we know that the WO LED isn't intentionally set to a dimmer mode or if some of the brightness is purposely lowered to make the QD OLED look better? 🤷♂️
If you don't trust the #1 brand in honesty, do a little fact checking. I have no reason to lie. QD-OLED is brighter and better for color than Woled. It's science. Here's a different source telling you what I'm showing in this video en.tvhifipro.com/televisions/qd-oled-vs-oled-what-are-the-differences/
DSLRs use RGB filters over light detecting diodes , when you get in to it that diode is basically exact same as OLED RGB pixels , or RGB diodes , so i think DSLRs can not take a picture of real world , not enough DR not enough colors , just like OLED TVs , so basically its same tech , and i think if any screen shows DSLR pictures or Video , is OLED TV . They are compatible technologies , like with FILM camera , printing those pictures , it looks like printed picture , becase camera uses film , and printer or developer uses film , chemicals on both sides , that is same with Digital SLR camera and OLED tv . I would also say that QD OLED is not QD , its just brighter . Think about it , QD OLED has more LED diodes , but they are smaller . When you want a bright Flash light , you dont take a bunch of small Diods , you take one big . So , QD OLED is a fake , its just a difrent panel , and with same tech made with larger diodes would have better Dynamic Range and overall brightness and color . This is same with Cameras , DSLRs with largest pixels are the best ones . Someone is lying to you , they are better for burn in because of pixel shifting , but not much , that is another lye . They dont only Burn in , they also lose on light output , or NITS , every Diode degrades , does not just burn in . Same thing happens with DSLR , you can have a burn in on DSLR , its called Dead pixels . So its exactly the same tech , meaning Colors and DR are complementary on OLED TVs and DSLR cameras , its same tech , just reversed . Microlensing , DSLRs had it 10 years ago ,20 years ago . Microlensing is not a new thing . So what i think is that QD OLED is not a difrent technology , its the same but they made diodes smaller i guess , but stronger . So if you want to test an OLED best use RAW image from DSLR . I think . But in any case all the footage we have is from DSLRs , its just a mater of having it RAW and Compressed . You use compressed material when you make your own test material in RAW , it doesnt have to be a movie , you have a camera . Take some pictures , do some testing , play with it . I know i would .
lg always sucked on colour, now that lg is trying to up the brightness all that lg is doing is gonna end up with is a over exposed picture, with washed out colour
So you compare a C1 to the latest and greatest top QDOLED, G2 would be more meaningful. Anyway I saw an X95K to S95B and the colors of almost all scenes look better on the X95K, the Sammy seems always to purple/red … You see it on the bison scene as well, on the S95B rocks/water are to red / purple tint, and once you notice this you cannot unsee this strange color cast the QDOLED panels have in nature / outdoor shots … studio footage not so much, but real life shots … can’t stand the tuning. On second thought, the Sony QDOLED is way better in this regard.
You have the most useful and the most informative reviews! Do the black parts of the Samsung S95B have a pink tint in rooms with moderate ambient light? Does it also have a grey shift when viewed off-angle?
Thank you so much! I thought I was seeing things when I compared my LG WOLED to my spouses' QD-OLED in Cyberpunk 2077. The red on LG looks off no matter what I do. Very interesting
The C3 will be brighter than the C2 in most instances. Honestly, i think there's no one size fits all because i love my QN90A over my C2 but it depends on content. I love QLEDs on ray traced content. It's incredible.
Have you calibrated your monitors for the camera? I have the impression that you didn't do it. So this whole comparison is a bunch of bullshit. WOLED without proper calibration in front of the camera turns blue. And that's what you showed.
You just talked about LG Woled crushing the black parts of the scenes, but you didn't show an example. But I had an LG old B1 55" and it has always annoyed me that they over darken the shadows and crush the details along. Now I just bought a Samsung S90C 55" and hopping based on various evidence from deferent reviewers that the QD-Oled can handle the shadow detail better. And in the LG B1 the color Red was totally ridiculously crushed and very easy to notice. And there was issues with the 120 Hz getting out of sync unless i reduce the bit color quality on PC , now the Samsung should handle up to 144Hz. My Samsung should arrive in the next hour 🎉 will see how good it feels.
Do you think qd oleds more likely to pixel dim and burn in since full illumination of pixels for whites like task bars and banners usually cause image retention?
And that's why we replace it with the next Hotness... I don't keep my Oled's more than 2 years, and I haven't experienced burn-in, or any major degradation yet...
You guys are obnoxious about that oled tech has come a long way my c9 still works fine no burn in still works flawlessly unless you plan on keeping a TV past 7-10 years oled is fine
Hi, what do You think about new firmware update on LG C1? Instal it or not? Everytime i turning On my C1 communicate showing up to update to new firmware , it's any chance to turn off this without instal?
I have LG C3. My biggest complaint is colour-shifting which I've discovered is common with WOLED. Light areas, when directly in front, are warm (pink) on left and cool ( blue) on right. Off-axis viewing results in uniformly cool. This colour-shifting is most noticeable in B&W content. My next TV will NOT be WOLED.
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QD-OLED's are phenomenally bright and beautiful in color saturation but I'd go with the WOLED all day long due to better "color accuracy". It's not all about peak brightness. There's a healthy balance where I prefer a more well rounded qualitative and crisp picture. All the new top of the line WOLED are plenty bright enough for the past couple of years for most people in practical terms but what good is getting brighter if the accuracy is diminished 🤨🤔?
That's is not how it goes.. it is impossible for the lesser wOled to achieve the color volume of QD-oled.. lets say your scene requires 200nit of "pure red" 400 of green and 250 of blue.. forget about brightness and consider the numbers a set of coordinates.
