WOMEN need GAME too: understanding how women get commitment 

So glad you are bringing this up, it’s not talked about enough.

Agree ^. You know at one time this simple knowledge was taught by elder women in the family and community. Way off track.

It's even woese. They conflate men giving sex so easily with self worth and confidence!!!😂

​@@adeltalebpour4955it's so important to teach women game and empathy and male psychology that it should be taught at schools actually!!!

All men are not trying to get sex. It's true that that's what you can expect if you're a woman who's not saving herself for marriage, because you won't attract these kinds of men, and it's true we're a minority but not an insignificant one. Christian men are the ones trying to secure relationship prior to sex, so the dynamic is very different, but most of what Orion says about game still applies, it just won't be as obvious

Yeah I agree with you

Super sayain game for women=pleasant personality +reciprocity

The problem is when she's good at faking that.

Impossible challenge

That's too hard for them. It's easier to be a sociopath.

Never ever admit you like her, game 101

Hundreds? Try thousands

If it weren't for feminism we would be living like the Jetsons what a huge anchor on humanity

It’s wild, right?

You still assume that talking to women is a skill that can be mastered? I was pretty sure mankind is going extinct over female dating standards in the smartphone era.

Us autists view your entirely neurotypical society like that. It's mind games, competing in your imaginary hierarchies, and masking your true character to oblivion... .

Yep. Big letdown.

Agreed

I have felt that so much. Let me give you some perspective. Every time people talk about "game" I go away with the same sense of "these assholes just want to manipulate others". There's another way of looking at this: The manipulative aspect of this is not real, it is a perceptive illusion generated by the way the subject is being approached. In reality, the subject is far more acceptable: Game is a code word for getting a person out of their shell in terms of beliefs, assumptions, expectations, etc; and start to calibrate with the things that are actually valuable for people you want to engage with. Usually, game will reveal what is obsolete or incorrect in your mental framework, let's say, about what women really want. There is some heartbreak related to that process too, for example, the disillusion of realizing how transactional these things really are and how little they have to do with love and unconditional loyalty. When you internalize these things are transactional, you will see the value of game as you are showing a healthy interest in the things women want so that you can satisfy them properly and get what you want. i think "game" is a horrible term to describe it. It makes me cringe. The issue here is that many women are in the same place you are, on the female parallel universe lol. This is why they also have to go through this awakening process and calibrate with men's desires. I hope this helps.

@@nikeisagreekgoddess4135 if anything game is a perfect term. It's all narcissism, primal fears, consumerist mindset, and sociopathic shenanigans. Game is perfect description for modern intersexual interactions. So you better start building that insta profile and have lots of photos around women while holding a wide smile.... .

You are more Christianized (regardless of faith) than the average American. Ought to look deeper into the historical realities

Same, tbh. But that's because I don't see all that much value in sex.

I find sex in all prospects but then commitment requires more.

@@TuscanBrick oh no my dude. I think you fail to understand that, with the knowledge that married couples have more and better sex, seeking to secure marriage is not a low t pursuit at all

Wanted sex before and at the start of my marriage. 7 years and 2 children in I don't really care any more. She never really liked it and was unwilling to communicate her wants and desires. I stopped experimenting after realizing that I was just inconveniencing her. It was not tell I laterally did not give a fuck that she got insecure and started trying on her end. The kids are wonderful but when it comes to sex Rose Palmer is much cheaper and much less effort. Cost wise being a baby daddy is probably cheaper if morally screwed up.

😂😂😂

I.mean if there are nymphos out there with male libido and standards for sex, im up to getting that number too😂

Bro!!! 😂😂😂😂

Dr. Rizzaban

😂😂😂😂

You aren't missing anything. It's a wasteland.

Kind of demeaning to reduce people to commodities like grocery store products.

@@a.d.b535 No one is forcing them to join a dating app.

Pretty much sums it up but I would add the positive aspect of being connected people from further distances

Dating apps don’t work for most men. Even though i had success on them i don’t care to use it no more.

Haha. Don't give up. Just try showing genuine interest in someone, that's good enough. No need for any manipulation

Lol 😂 nice !

The consequence of too much options.

just remember humans are just animals basically. it explains everything. we forget were just animals

FOREAL!! What a sad world we are in. Hopefully other parts of the world isn't in the mind set.

Impossible. There is already a game going on, whether you like it or not.. Even if people think "they're not playing games" they always are.

I agree. Games are played out. Be 100 and expect the same.

Game is not manipulation, it´s just a name we give to the interaction between two people that are sexually atracted to each other.

Only women have the previliges to say stupid stuff like this .

@@Juan_Olmos No, Game is by definition manipulation: in its purest form it is a false experience that you project to entertain someone into wanting to keep playing with you. You are not being your true self, you are just dancing in front of someone to make them laugh. That's why it doesn't work on everyone.

That's literally what you have to teach women, yes. If they ever muster enough self accountability and care for men's needs of course. Till then its just "men did it all!!!!"

But most men aren’t relationship worthy. Most women waste a lot of time and money in bad relationships. Only children matter for women. It is better to invest in herself, save up for children and have one or two children in early 30s or late 30s. That is a better strategy than wasting time with one man. Professional success is much more rewarding.

⁠@@keylanoslokj1806 but most men are flaky in all their endeavours. So many men aren’t working anymore it seems because they prefer to be unemployed over working a low status job, they don’t want to pay child support to support their children, they don’t show up as the father and do any real parenting, they run away from responsibilities. Even most of the vio*lent crimes are committed by men, most of the addictions are indulged by men. So yes, women are right that “men did it all”. Facts don’t care about your feelings.

The problem is men are way more demanding these days. I blame women though, it’s their fault for allowing easy access.

Chemistry = how much your goals & expectations of each other already align + game is for where allignment & expectactions aren't already in sync. The more alignment you have from the start, the less you need good game.

Chemistry = how much your goals & expectations of each other already align + game is for where allignment & expectactions aren't already in sync. The more alignment you have from the start, the less you need good game.

No bruh. You’re still in a fantasy. As a woman who have traveled all over the world, you will literally have good chemistry a few times a year if you’re in the right place, with enough people who share your interest. Chemistry means almost nothing.

This is not true.

Fave comment. This puts it in perspective

@@nicolem889 nicely said

😊 please make more babies. Your kind needs to procreate heavy.

Scarcity mentality

Yeah, after being in a serious relationship casual sex became a bit flavorless for me. Not chasing it freed me up to make huge improvements in my personal and financial life. A man needs to be selective about the quality of people he allows into his personal sphere.

If I actually like a woman I don't want to cheapen it but I've learned that if they're down for first date action then you would be wise to go with it. I've had women lose interest because they clearly wanted a casual thing and thought I wanted to exclusively date them off the bat/potentially be clingy etc because I didn't make moves on them on the first date.

OP: Yeah this vid is very one sided.

Problem is there are very few dream men to choose from.

@22ValentineRosario All you need is one. Why waste time thinking about the whole group. Every woman probably has their own version of a dream man. After a few years and mishaps, that version most likely changes.

@@mann8098 The problem being is after most women get what they want they just end up complaining about it anyway.

@undauntedthud6872 Some women aren't wife or relationship material. Most actually.

But most men aren’t relationship worthy. Most women waste a lot of time and money in bad relationships. Only children matter for women. It is better to invest in herself, save up for children and have one or two children in early 30s or late 30s. That is a better strategy than wasting time with one man. Professional success is much more rewarding.

So you’d rather she try to sleep with you sooner?

I loose interest when a man try to sleep with me without commitment.

@@aferg76 Same logic with a guy trying to rush sex out of a girl too soon. Implies low value.

The lightbulb went on for me too!

​@@HarukiYamamotoGood luck trying to sell that to any guy. Men know how ladies live nowadays. The cat is out of the bag.

True, because it's suspicious. If a woman is overly eager to have sex on the first date I also run away. Too risky.

Sammme though, that’s scary

Yea, I have been manipulated by this. That’s what I get for being naive.

@@longpapi If she does not give sex on the first date - she is just not into you... And there will not be a second date.. ;) If the date has not become physical after 30 minutes - you should stand up and walk away..

@@andersnielsen6044 This may work for you but I strongly disagree. I usually need time myself to get physical which is why I only initiate on the first date in very rare occasions. I prefer having a good talk in the beginning and it is insane how good of an impression you can make by sharing deep and interesting perspectives/stories and by listening actively what the girl has to say. If she can speak for hours and feels like you are genuinely interested and make her feel understood, you won her (for now). It's very rare that I don't get a second date.

There has been awful lot of socialization and the nuclear family is the most critical element of society. However between, second wave feminism, Disney princesses, gynocentric culture and the court system, lots of men have decided to just focus on other areas.

I was one of those men, never again.

Religion offers a model where both parties make a sacrifice to create a stable union and thus a family. We need that to have a society. Look at black America and how their social disintegration affects them. That's what's ahead of everyone if the gynocentric social order continues. Single moms and crime.

@@edheldude latest trends show religion, marriage and birth rates are all in decline. I don't think any of these trends will reverse. I think most Western countries in the future will go down a Japanese route, i.e. anime, AI girlfriends/OF, video games, etc. Lets see if my prediction is right in 10 - 20 years time.

@@marriagecausesdivorce7540 They already have. The inflow of immigrants has kept up these countries from demographic collapse.

Why the "I guess I better get married?" I'm 31 and have a very different mentality.

I appreciate men like you. More men like you, please 😊

@@kimberlyturner820 I appreciate that Kimberly, though I'm nothing special. Just a man with certain Ambitions. Godspeed to you too...

So the best thing is to avoid men altogether then?

I tell my wife that being traditional, and rejecting feminism actually makes you special. Most women are Womanist/Feminist by default nowadays in this country. Trad-wives were the default before the 70's, so attempting to be one nowadays makes you special/rare. I thought this was a positive spin on this fact👫

so you don't want your own daughter one day to be independent and self sufficient instead to relying on a man?

Good question. He might just imagine his daughter homeless after being traded for a younger model.

Women who believe they should be independent cannot keep a man. This world is built for interdependence. You'll learn one day.

Great so what have u learnt. R u married or in a relationship

It's just not entirely true. Sure it may represent many guys, but this is far from representing alot of guys. Many of us are looking for a relationship not meaningless sex.

To be fair; You do have to figure in Buyer's Remorse: She may have felt that she could get you to commit but that, if you were too set against commitment, it would be to onerous for her to keep up that level of game long term so she was trying to see what amount of resistance you would put up.

@@SmileyEmoji42 Also at 35 she has virtually zero time left if she wants a man to marry and settle down with.

@@SmileyEmoji42to be fair your idea to be fair is stupid. She had no game, she made ultimatum, her goods are depreciating and she’s a high risk birth being past 29 years old. She likely been fertile since 15 or so, legal since 18, but at the end of the night (her baby making cycle) she wants to slum it, and lock down a straggler at the club, last call for alcohol and however is left is sad and horny… type of affair. She’s learned nothing in years of “smash the stranger” and “to be fair” that’s ridiculous of her to be this ignorant of all her prior partners and this new one too. That demonstrates her lack of putting herself into the shoes of the ones “she supposedly loves”. Likely chicks like this spend more time buying shoes 👠 and fussing over make up, while they pretend to be masters of men, yet they can’t even get a man’s psychology after we directly inform them. Women are not stupid. They do great at work. They listen at work, follow advice, orders, and suggestions exceptionally well most of the time, often better then men, obedience wise over all. Yet they can’t bother to learn about Mens desires regarding commitment? It’s either solipsism to the millionth degree or she actively hates men, talks smack about us, and feels it’s beneath her to serve her lover and thereby become wise in ways of love over time. It’s really all there is to it BECAUSE she’s a human being and human beings are clever as f. If she’s not learning it’s because she’s a pompous as*hole and is too busy thinking men are dumb and she has nothing to learn, she just needs to “find the right i one”… when she’s had many the right ones the whole time. Listen bro. Go live in the 3rd world for a couple years ask ask the people basic questions. You’ll learn exceptionally wide answers to things is first worlds are perplexed by. Her heart n mind is too hard, and she can’t understand no things. C.U.N.T. And letting dude smash? Then demanding commitment is pure bait and switch but at least she’s trying now. Very poor performance on her part. Ide feel very uncomfortable with a chick like that. Desperate. And what she’s desperate for now… will she honor later? When / if she gets commitment ? What’s her offer? Just her? Attitude? Be good or else? That’s not sexy. That’s not nurturing. That’s not intriguing. It’s profoundly normal and boring and makes me think 🤔 her sex will dry up with commitment since it’s bait. But I say all this “to keep it real” rather then “to be fair”.

She gives it right away, dont do that. Also follow sadia khan.

The usually the older they are they're more straightforward because they used their good years

The ways to be useful will vary from woman to woman. Not all men’s needs are the same. That’s why he said to do the research. Learn about the man and his life. Then see where you can make his life easier. If that means being traditional “wifey” material, that’s what you should be willing and happy to do. Look for ways you can free up some time for him. He will then have more time to bond with you. This should be common sense, but somehow it’s not. If you need every little way you can be useful to be listed out for you, do you even see the man you want as worth the effort? There is no way to have someone else do all the work for you.

Thank you for taking the time to share advice! Of course it varies from person to person what is useful. But sometimes what women perceive as useful is different than what men perceive as useful, so I think a male perspective might be interesting. Of course a list could never be exhaustive, but brainstorming can be helpful to shift our perspective when society brainwashes us to not naturally think this way. @@CheshyLARK

It's the Man's fault of course!

It's funny because online women frame this as if they have leverage but in reality the man chooses you lol theres more women in the world than men

Facts !

Women pressure men into marriage, & getting married is optional. Men can't pressure women into simply keeping marriage vows which should be compulsory.

as rational male I contemplate on cost vs benefit ratios - which in 98.5%+ of xx.ine cases would eliminate any commitment tendencies, if not all else anyway, too. physical seggs seems utterly overrated in bigger picture - thus xx.s don’t have anything to ‚offer‘ game-wise. ENOUGH already.

Men like women with traditional skills, who are easy-going, little conflict and you have to be a net-positive add to the man and his life, not a net-negative. Modern feminism teaches the opposite of this. If you don't "need" a man, then he won't need you.

That's why you don't simp a woman after being rejected, you need to send a FOMO signal. If you send the message "i will always wait for you", then the woman doesn't feel the need to hook you in, and to take you before an other woman does it. Waiting is also a low value move that make you seems like a bad catch (a "i can't hope to get better, i don't mind keep waisting my time for her waiting for a miracle" move). If your special quality is a very long expiration date, don't expect anything else to stay than being put inside the freezer for hungry days, when there is nothing else in the fridge. If a woman need to choose between two man, the best is to start with the one that won't wait, and keep the second simp waiting man (most likely lower value) in the case the first relationship end. It's bad economic sens to waist the simp by giving him the first ride while losing the other man, when you can choose the other man while keeping the simp in your backpocket until you need him. One other issue with post-rejection simping : free labor is only free until you pay for it. Men don't understand relationships privileges don't start and end by sex. If you give every relationships privilege for cheap or even free (validation, emotionnal support, saving her from trouble), why a women would bother to commit to a relationship (including having sex exclusively with you over an other better man) for obtaining validation and emotionnal support she can always get without having to conced a relationship to you ? Why buying a house, you are already living inside for free ? It's better to buy an other house, and get profit from renting it. Why buy something you can already use for free anyway ? Free sample are exactly that : SAMPLES. If you get something for free once, you get a taste for it and want more. The good employe is the one you want to pay more, the cheap employe is the one you want to pay less. If you take the role of giving the same advantages you would give to your GF to a woman that reject you, doesn't than mean as long she keep rejecting you, she can have two boyfriends taking care of her needs, while only having to have sex with the most attractive one ? Simping = being the low value spare wheel, or being used as an almost-boyfriend that treat her like a girfriend, while she keep treating him as a friend.

Simply put, he was the one for you but you were playing hard to get. Luckily you came to your senses and accepted what was in your heart.

Now THIS is game and sound advice for women!

Chemistry = how much your goals & expectations of each other already align + game is for where allignment & expectactions aren't already in sync. The more alignment you have from the start, the less you need good game.

Thank you! These comments are so helpful. You're all invited to my future wedding 😉

My issue with this is too many women are very casual about sex to the point where they take pride in it....which means they don't seem to always have the goals you want in a woman.

he just made a new video that basically says what you said

Im curious, If relationship was your goal, why did "early" sex changed your mind about her.

@@paultag45 I know, it was completely illogical on my part. I just felt extremely awkward about the whole situation, and I suppose I didn't want to relive those feelings by seeing the girl again; meanwhile she did absolutely nothing wrong and was a nice girl overall.

@@paultag45 too easy. big red flag for relationships.

@@memesofproduction3 no, I didn't hold it against her at all. That never happened to me before, and I was at the very least curious what would happen. But the actual physical act of trying to have sex with practically a stranger felt intensely awkward to me. 99.9% of guys out there would not feel like that, I'm quite sure. I'm just speaking strictly for myself.

@@markrcca5329so close and yet so far away

That's a good problem for us men. Women will be able to cope with the issue.

I’m sure a lot of women like you 😂

I do understand.

women love rape fantasies and roleplay eg plumber comes over and bones her or policeman arrests her then bones her lol

True

women dream of goind to swinger parties and that their man actually agrees ;)

Women have WAY different sexual fantasies than men. They get off with emotional stuff not uniforms and lingerie like men do

I wrote something extensive on this re bdsm once. Actually i have a shorter version i can grab from my email that i made on a Star Trek short Im probably the only one who has contemplated klingon bdsm from a psychological aspect Actually, the reason why people are into bdsm is because it's a "test" that reassures each sex of their insecurities. Men fear that a woman will be disloyal when a difficult trial comes. Women fear that a man's aggression will be used to harm her. So what does each sex receive when engaged in rough sex or pain play? The woman sees that when she's completely helpless and/or he's angry, he has the self control to go right up to the edge but not cross it, and that he still cares about her such that he seeks to bring her pleasure out of pain, and not merely suffering and torment. The man in turn sees that the woman is faithful, able to endure suffering because she loves him, and TRUSTS him, and will still cheerfully yield herself to him even when she's under stress or anxiety. You would have to think about what Klingons want most on a partner and therefore what they fear most, before you could figure out what their kinks would be. I propose to you that Klingon men care so much about honor that they would fear being with a woman who looks down at him or disrespects him / finds him not honorable. So consequently, we might conclude that Klingon kink would entail the female challenging her mate's authority and being conquered by him, to include being beaten up, in particular including "dishonorable tactics," ie he (maybe both of them) would fight dirty, to show her that he is capable both of brutally dominating his opponent, and that he does not avoid playing dirty and dishonorably because he is unable to, because he's weak, but rather that he is fully able to-- and to defeat an opponent who fights dishonorably -- but does not do so because he doesn't need to since he is strong and capable and self controlled, a man of competence and character, instilling in his woman respect and honor for him. That would be my guess

I’m sure she has money if she can’t offer this man a family.

Yea, it’s her pension/retirement money. It’s sad that ppl target that demographic like that.

No manipulation is needed. It's what a women brings to the relationship that a man might value. Are you interested in him sexually, good listener, reliable, trustworthy, supportive, can you cook etc.......?

​@@susandavis903I agree with all except..."do you know how to cook?...we all...male and female all need to know how to cook

Stop the cap

@@hugevagiine cap because...???

humor helps. lines like " you, you'll DIE wanting me" spoken with a smile, "later, later" spoken with a smile.ETC. ETC. have any more gracious humorous boundary setting lines, ladies? reply here

Me too I got sisters

You don’t tell a guy when you will have sex but you politely decline and make it seem like it will eventually happen. It’s the man’s job to earn sex and it’s the girl’s responsibility to ensure that she can get a relationship.

@tonkabeanpumpkin-fh4fz send me visa

I partly agree. See part of my opinion I posted.

I never understand why women want to place a label on everything. It's about the journey. Let's vibe. See the connection/chemistry. Build on it. Take it slow. A woman that either friendzones or gets attached, either way, is a turn off.

R u in a relationship currently

@@KD400_ i’m talking to several nice men

@@yourfavoriteentertainmentif a woman friend zones you, that’s the point….it’s supposed give a hint that she doesn’t want you in that way.

perfectly explained!

Correction: Most of the men YOU WANT, seem to be terrified of long term commitment. You think you have to play some kind of idiotic "long game" to "ease them into it" and you need to "give them plenty of sex" and it is the antithesis of this video. Maybe if you weren't chasing after actual assholes and just genuine, honest, non-manipulative people, you'd have different personal experiences.

But most men aren’t relationship worthy. Most women waste a lot of time and money in bad relationships. Only children matter for women. It is better to invest in herself, save up for children and have one or two children in early 30s or late 30s. That is a better strategy than wasting time with one man. Professional success is much more rewarding.

@bellatindale3120 This is perfectly explained. As a man I have gotten into relationships with this exact game. Of course like any man I have fears of being commited to the wrong person for my wellbeing. However this fears are easily pushed away with a genuine and kind woman and thoughts often occur like "I could see myself with this woman." Thats where it starts.

We are not "terrified" but cautious of it because a relationship requires a lot of effort and time, especially as the guy because with a gf he'll have to carry more responsabilities now such as, taking care of her if she's out, flat tire/car problems, emotional support and a lot more of other things. Even relationships for both sexes are not symmetrical when it comes to duties/roles to fulfill

I agree that the narrative that men just want sex and women just want relationships is outdated. It is certainly true that women want/enjoy sex as well. But as you've said, the fact that men on average tend to get aroused much more easily, shows there's a clear disparity. There's also the fact that men masturbate far more frequently than women do in all the articles that cite studies I've read. To top it off, there is little to no media (that I can find, anyway) of women talking about what makes them aroused vs men.

Seriously..

Correct! Men are not only more easily aroused but, due to anatomical differences, they achieve orgasms more quickly/easily as well. The newest 'Sex Revolution' is hoping to pick up where the previous ones left off, in an effort to decrease or close the orgasm/pleasure gap.

Play the video again and listen carefully once more.

They lose their virginity at 15

Women have destroyed their ability to pair bond. They have up to 50 partners by the time they're in their early twenties. When she's got so many options, she is paralyzed by choice. You're not competing against one ex boyfriend, fellas, you're competing against a combination of all the best parts of her past lovers. She'll take man #1's height, man #2's bank account, man #3's humor, man #4's social influence, man #5's artistic ability, etc, and combine them into some fantasy man. THIS PERFECT GUY DOESN'T EXIST. Women are living a fantasy, and it's encouraged by our culture, institutions and media.

EXACTLY!!!

literally

Lol they all fail.

Absolutely. Women bully/shame men into marriage... but in 2023, men are powerless to bully/shame women into keeping those marriage vows when women want divorce.

It's easier for women to go all psycho and gasligting on you, than empathically and gently lead you into a relationship with genuine desire from your side

Men have their own ways to bully and manipulate women into bed. They do it all the time by lying and SA women. Purposely pushing boundaries ... using illicit substances to gain access.

Basically most women in relationships think that just existing is enough. And that it works if she projects her needs on him without searching for what works for men...c.

Also eating chocolate, crying, and charging their phones.

Tell me that you hate women because women don’t have any interest in you without telling me

Someone got hurt and can’t move past it🤡

You know brother. When you know. It's actually pathetic & you can't un know it

​@killjoy117007 so sorry for u but admire your honesty. Don't be so hard on yourself.