Women Pastors: A look at 1 Timothy  

not true. the early church didn't.

@@airanderal the early church didn’t have female pastors

@@Eyesofmars2040 The early church had an office of servant widows whose spiritual requirements parallel those of the male elders.

@@vanessaloy1049 they never held authority over men.

@@Eyesofmars2040 Deborah was a Judge over Israel. I suggest Judges 4, else my essay on her.

It upsets women when they cant take men's role.

Yeah, unfortunately a lot of garbage from outside movements have come into the church and now women also want their equality and rights inside the church.

I suggest Judges 4, else my short essay on Deborah. God ruled Israel through Deborah, since she was a Judge.

1 Timothy 6:12-16 [12]Fight the good fight of faith; take hold of the eternal life to which you were called, and you made the good confession in the presence of many witnesses. [13]I charge you in the presence of God, who gives life to all things, and of Christ Jesus, who testified the good confession before Pontius Pilate, [14]that you keep the commandment without stain or reproach until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ, [15]which He will bring about at the proper time-He who is the blessed and only Sovereign, the King of kings and Lord of lords, [16]who alone possesses immortality and dwells in unapproachable light, whom no man has seen or can see. To Him be honor and eternal dominion! Amen. 2 Timothy 1:1-11 [1]Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, according to the promise of life in Christ Jesus, [2]To Timothy, my beloved son: Grace, mercy and peace from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Lord. [3]I thank God, whom I serve with a clear conscience the way my forefathers did, as I constantly remember you in my prayers night and day, [4]longing to see you, even as I recall your tears, so that I may be filled with joy. [5]For I am mindful of the sincere faith within you, which first dwelt in your grandmother Lois and your mother Eunice, and I am sure that it is in you as well. [6]For this reason I remind you to kindle afresh the gift of God which is in you through the laying on of my hands. [7]For God has not given us a spirit of timidity, but of power and love and discipline. [8]Therefore do not be ashamed of the testimony of our Lord or of me His prisoner, but join with me in suffering for the gospel according to the power of God, [9]who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was granted us in Christ Jesus from all eternity, [10]but now has been revealed by the appearing of our Savior Christ Jesus, who abolished death and brought life and immortality to light through the gospel, [11]for which I was appointed a preacher and an apostle and a teacher. 1 Corinthians 12:7 [7]But to each one is given the manifestation of the Spirit for the common good. This is a deeper understanding of what we see in 1 and 2 Timothy. In 1 Timothy we see that Paul commands Timothy to hold this commandments until the appearance of our Lord Jesus Christ. In 2 Timothy we see our Lord comming, according to how Paul decribes it. In 1 Corinthians 12 we see how the Holy Spirit manifests Hinself. We know that the Holy Spirit is Christ.

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The scripture will not make clear sense to those who are not born again. So be careful relying on your human logic to simplify God’s word according to what may be more aligned with your sin nature and not His.

IF. Exactly... now... English vs Greek... Through the lens of Christ vs not. In historical and cannonical context vs not.

That’s been my question every time I hear this. That seems to align with Catholic logic & why they do not believe in solo scriptura, because that requires you to adhere to every scripture. I haven’t seen any other scriptures contradict the “specific teachings” of one church against another church. They always align & if we think they do not align then we should seek where WE are wrong in our thinking.

Because it was , Paul was talking to the church in Corinth , not everyone - yes we may look at those teachings and apply them today but this doesn’t mean what Paul said in Corinth is applicable to every circumstance and every church. If you read your bible Paul also tells prophets and tongue speakers to keep quiet literally a few verses before he addresses the women - yet when we interpret the verses above we understand that Paul ddnt mean prophets and tongue speakers must remain quiet forever and in every church under all circumstances 😂😂 so why do we interpret the verse after as women should keep quiet in church forever and ever amen????

@@tohtorirosolli simple enough. Good student of the gospel.

This is why the Bible version one uses is very important. The CEV and the CEB, both remove the male/man component from scripture. Thereby they can reference ‘their’ Bible and meet the qualifications (look at it and see-evil translation)… for example “if a man is blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of dissipation or insubordination.” Is translated, “they must have a good reputation and be faithful in marriage.” Lord help us.

In Greek it says "anyone"... "like wise the women"...

Monogamy. Character not chromosomes.

@justmytwobits He did. By illuminating the mind of some translators. The original Greek says, "If ANYONE (emphasis mine) desires to be... " And then Paul goes on to say... men shld be husband of one wife... then further goes on to say "likewise women.... ". Polyandry was not a thing. Polygamy was. Why not all translators made accurate translations is something only God knows but the ESV for example is biased- all male committee with male headship mindset. A Deborah or a Huldah or a Miriam or a Mary called the Magdelene... these perspectives are lost on them and their readers.

Texts need to be interpreted correctly - if not we end up saying God gave people the right to enslave others . This lady has studied this for our benefit - you just don’t like that the interpretation of it because it is not as misogynistic as it first appears to be . Which is worrying for you

Paul confessing he is possessed by a Demon. When did Jesus ever put Demons in people? Also Jesus said that he would not be in the desert hence where Paul had the encounter with that blinding Light. 2 Corinthians 12:7- And lest I should be exalted above measure by the abundance of the revelations, a thorn in the flesh was given to me, a 👉messenger of Satan👈 to buffet me, lest I be exalted above measure.

Its simple listen yo ya man if not we both goin to bite the fruit… well ill just leave you. But if i love you like that. We both goin to hell

My thoughts exactly. I listen to what my heart tells me when I read God's word (the bible) as God speaks to us through our hearts. When i read these passages my heart tells me women should not be pastors. They shouldn't be offended by that as woman can do many things men can't do.

​@@Ladynilow You have a fundamental misunderstanding of what the bible says about slavery and you dont seem to understand that the word means something entirely different than the American definition. The bible says to be kind to your slaves and treat them well as well as saying you can only have a slave for 6 years and on the 7th they go free. It is basically talking about a job where very poor people worked for very rich people who gave them a much better life than any other possible outcome they could have hoped for. Those poor people got to live in nice houses and eat good food instead of being truly poor and usually homeless. Then they were free after 6 years but usually decided to stay with a caring and fair owner. The word slavery was poorly translated from old language to new. It's not like people were going and stealing people by force (Like the Africans did to other Africans) and selling them off to people who didn't think of them as human at all. White slave owners in America misused the bible to justify owning slaves while completely ignoring what the scriptures actually said about being kind and fair to them as well as giving them freedom on the 7th year. Their are radicals in every religious practice and in christianity unfortunately.

you wrote: Women are not to have spiritual and teaching authority over men. This already was God's will 3100 years ago. Deborah was a Judge over Israel. What Deborah did is in the historical record. It is not doctrine. I suggest my short essay on her.

Like Adam & Eve, the women are deceived first, then they deceive the man. Case & point made by these 2 here.

😂... lol calm down. Allow others to share their opinion on the matter. Stick to the essentials of the Faith. A woman preaching Christ from a pulpit already gets a thumbs-up from Jesus. It's not a Salvation issue.

Mary Magdalene was ORDERED by Jesus to preach of His resurrection to men. The resurrection of Jesus is a key part of the gospel. But if it is preached that Christ has been raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? If there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith. More than that, we are then found to be false witnesses about God, for we have testified about God that he raised Christ from the dead. But he did not raise him if in fact the dead are not raised. For if the dead are not raised, then Christ has not been raised either. And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins. Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ are lost. If only for this life we have hope in Christ, we are of all people most to be pitied. -excerpt 1 Corinthians 15 When she had said this, she turned around and saw Jesus standing there, and yet she did not know that it was Jesus. Jesus said to her, “Woman, why are you weeping? Whom are you seeking?” Thinking that He was the gardener, she said to Him, “Sir, if you have carried Him away, tell me where you put Him, and I will take Him away.” Jesus said to her, “Mary!” She turned and said to Him in Hebrew, “Rabboni!”. Jesus said to her, “Stop clinging to Me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to My brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and My God and your God.’” Mary Magdalene came and announced to the disciples, “I have seen the Lord,” and that He had said these things to her. -excerpt John 20

Yes! Yes! Those women in the Upper room who the Holy Spirit ordained (120 men and women) to preach the Gospel were all disobedient!!

Poor innocent Adam.

you wrote: I can't find any specific examples of women pastors in the Bible. I suggest my short and free essay on Deborah. Men and women are perfectly equal spiritually. She was a pastor, according to the scriptures. This is how the Judges are described in Chronicles by God. A woman could only be given the authority by God to execute a man for his sin, if women are spiritually equal to men. A Judge could judge homicide cases according to Deuteronomy. Therefore a Judge could execute a man. Any doctrine that is in opposition to what God actually did is a false doctrine, and must be rejected.

Deborah. A Judge was a spiritual leader, and more of course.

@878 4436 She arose as a mother in Israel, not a bad goal for any woman in the church. A mother is different than a sister and, as such, should be listened to and honored even though not serving as a pastor. Indeed, a mother ought to have great influence over who pastors the rest of the children, not unlike Deborah.

@@deanfry879 God ruled Israel through Deborah, since she was a Judge. A Judge was far far above any pastor in our time. If you want a study, I can post my short essay on Deborah. I only do so if there is real interest. Complementarianism is a false teaching. At its center it supports a two-tiered priesthood based on birthright. But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood... -excerpt 1 Peter 2 Reply for my full post 'Complementarianism' if desired. This is not an essay, but covers my thoughts on the subject in a basic way. Men and women are perfectly equal spiritually.

@@deanfry879 When a Judge died, all of God's people (that is, Israel) went back to their evil ways. A Judge was the most important spiritual leader of Israel, during this time period. But it came about, when the judge died, that they would turn back and act more corruptly than their fathers, in following other gods to serve them and bow down to them; they did not abandon their practices or their obstinate ways. -excerpt Judges 2 From earlier today to someone else: A Judge had the authority to judge murder cases. Premeditated murder was a sin. That sin demanded the death penalty. This is spiritual authority to the highest degree. This was during the Old Covenant. There are no 'roles' now that are gender specific. There was no gender requirement in being a Judge over Israel. There certainly isn't one for being an elder in a church of 200. you wrote: ...the least in the Kingdom of Heaven is greater... I do not understand that scripture at this point.

@@deanfry879 Complementarianism That false and confusing teaching, that states Christian women are less than Christian men in a spiritual way, but they really aren't, but they really are. The complementarian teaching prohibits a Christian woman from holding certain positions in a church. They can't be elders neither can they teach men. So why is that? The false teaching makes it clear that the priesthood of the New Covenant is tiered. There is a hierarchy. Those that are higher, the men, can be in leadership positions, like elder. They can teach other men. Those in the lower tier can not be in leadership positions, like elder. They are prohibited from teaching men, because the men are in the higher tier. It wouldn't make any sense. A new believer is automatically assigned their level, higher or lower, at the moment of salvation, as a birthright. Their gender determines their tier. A Christian can not move to a higher or lower tier. A Christian that is in the lower tier (woman) is not allowed to complain of the tier she was placed in. That would be sin, because God made her a woman by His choice. She should accept and also embrace her position in the lower tier. A church, is either a group of Christian men or a group of Christian men and women. A church can never be a group of Christian women, because it would be a group of only those in the lower tier. It would have no elders. But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for God’s own possession, so that you may proclaim the excellencies of Him who has called you out of darkness into His marvelous light; for you once were not a people, but now you are the people of God; you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy. -excerpt 1 Peter 2 Since the teaching states that women are spiritually inferior to men, but they aren't, but they are, when did that start? But I do not allow a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet. For it was Adam who was first created, and then Eve. And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a wrongdoer. -excerpt 1 Timothy 2 It started with the first woman. She was deceived, and sinned because of it. So we have a teaching that accepts that men and women are fallen beings. Both genders are sinful by nature. However women are different. They are lacking the ability that men have to judge if some situation, some concept or teaching is sinful. This inability was passed down from Eve to all women. It remains to this day. A woman in our time was 'lacking' from birth, even from the womb. So what can be done? Nothing according to Complementarianism. That is because an anointing of that powerful masculine being called the Holy Spirit, is just not sufficient. Even the Holy Spirit can not elevate even one Christian woman to the spiritually superior level of a Christian man.

It’s clear that she knows how to properly apply hermeneutics and exegete texts

This is odd because on their site they spoke against it if I remember correctly

Since a woman could be a pastor in the Old Covenant, a woman can be a pastor in the New Covenant. Simple really. I suggest my short and free essay on Deborah. Men and women are perfectly equal spiritually. She was a pastor, according to the scriptures. This is how the Judges are described in Chronicles, by God. In all places where I have walked with all Israel, have I spoken a word with any of the judges of Israel, whom I commanded to shepherd My people, saying, ‘Why have you not built Me a house of cedar?’ -excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verse 6 NASB translation A woman could only be given the authority by God to execute a man for his sin, if women are spiritually equal to men. A Judge could judge homicide cases according to Deuteronomy. Therefore Deborah, as a Judge, could execute a man for his sin. A Judge's verdict could not be altered or appealed. A Judge was cleared to teach from scripture as he/she gave a verdict, according to Deuteronomy. Since in Judges 4, men went to Deborah to be judged, a woman could teach men, even in the Old Covenant in a public setting. A Judge was REQUIRED in scripture to judge only the hardest of cases. If your beliefs can't explain all this, they must be false.

All it takes is one good hard look at the whole world and knowing that it has been run the whole time by men should call into question whether or not men can lead and teach in accordance with the word of God.

You do know that Deborah, as Judge, had the authority to execute a man for murder, correct? If a man's case, whatever it may be, was sent to the Judge, and he refused to go, the scriptures say that he was to be executed. Also, a Judge was certainly a spiritual leader.

Good post and how many more righteous women's stories we aren't given. The gospel of Mary Magdalene had pages torn from it so it wouldn't be complete and not considered, done on purpose. If women were free and treated as equals in all of life including the church, the world would change overnight for much the better.

It's not a power struggle but freedom to become all that you can become and not suppressed but equal. Men are afraid to have equality and more brutal as the Bible and history record.

@@michaelharriss9854 I wrote a short essay on Deborah should you want a study. That's up to you.

Yes! Yes! When the Holy Spirit ordained 120 men and women to preach the Gospel, they should have sat down as you say! 🙌

I suggest my short and free essay on Deborah. Men and women are perfectly equal spiritually. She was a pastor, according to the scriptures. This is how the Judges are described in Chronicles, by God. A woman could only be given the authority by God to execute a man for his sin, if women are spiritually equal to men. A Judge could judge homicide cases according to Deuteronomy. Therefore Deborah, as a Judge, could execute a man for his sin. Complementarianism is a false doctrine that is in opposition to what God actually did. God appointed a woman as a Judge over Israel. There was no gender qualification to be a Judge, in the scriptures.

Deborah

@@user-iz8np3vv4i I said inside the church. A single story in the bible not relating to the church does not negate the multiple other teachings of scriptures relating to the church. Context matters. Another example is adultery and divorce that is addressed in Matthew 5:32 and 19:9 because of Gen 2:24 and Matthew 19:5-6. These teachings are not negated by an old testment story about Gomer which was under a different context; not about the church. Nice try though.

@@robertemard9452 I wrote a short essay on Deborah and am very familiar with her story. About 1000 years before Paul we have her story. God's people were taught for all that time that a woman could be a spiritual leader, over the army, and if necessary execute a man for the sin of premeditated murder.

@@robertemard9452 I only care about the truth. From my essay below: EXPLANATION OF GOD USING DEBORAH here: Now Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lappidoth... Prophets and prophetesses are anointed with the Holy Spirit as we know. The explanation of God using Deborah to judge men and being over the army is here: An anointing of the Holy Spirit is the anointing of a powerful masculine being. That anointing eclipses gender.

But to say women can’t preach is a lie , and this is what is being refuted . The church is still led by man 95% of the time , the issue here is the 5% that are women and people act like they are apostates who are rebelling 🤓 - Gods design is still very much intact when it comes to this and a few women pastors aren’t destroying Gods design ( I don’t even know one female pastor personally) yet folks are acting like there are female pastors everywhere?? Honestly it’s misogynistic to claim the church is now feminist because there are 2 females pastors in America??😂😂 why are people so resolute in keeping women out and under

And the times they are a changing...

@@michaelharriss9854 the times will change a ton when the Lord returns.

Complementarianism is a false teaching. At its center it supports a two-tiered priesthood based on birthright. But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood... -excerpt 1 Peter 2 God ruled Israel through the Judges. Therefore God ruled Israel through Deborah. She was far far above any pastor/elder in our time.

@@russs3001 Complementarianism That false and confusing teaching, that states Christian women are less than Christian men in a spiritual way, but they really aren't, but they really are. The complementarian teaching prohibits a Christian woman from holding certain positions in a church. They can't be elders neither can they teach men. So why is that? The false teaching makes it clear that the priesthood of the New Covenant is tiered. There is a hierarchy. Those that are higher, the men, can be in leadership positions, like elder. They can teach other men. Those in the lower tier can not be in leadership positions, like elder. They are prohibited from teaching men, because the men are in the higher tier. It wouldn't make any sense. A new believer is automatically assigned their level, higher or lower, at the moment of salvation, as a birthright. Their gender determines their tier. A Christian can not move to a higher or lower tier. A Christian that is in the lower tier (woman) is not allowed to complain of the tier she was placed in. That would be sin, because God made her a woman by His choice. She should accept and also embrace her position in the lower tier. A church, is either a group of Christian men or a group of Christian men and women. A church can never be a group of Christian women, because it would be a group of only those in the lower tier. It would have no elders. But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for God’s own possession, so that you may proclaim the excellencies of Him who has called you out of darkness into His marvelous light; for you once were not a people, but now you are the people of God; you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy. -excerpt 1 Peter 2 Since the teaching states that women are spiritually inferior to men, but they aren't, but they are, when did that start? But I do not allow a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet. For it was Adam who was first created, and then Eve. And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a wrongdoer. -excerpt 1 Timothy 2 It started with the first woman. She was deceived, and sinned because of it. So we have a teaching that accepts that men and women are fallen beings. Both genders are sinful by nature. However women are different. They are lacking the ability that men have to judge if some situation, some concept or teaching is sinful. This inability was passed down from Eve to all women. It remains to this day. A woman in our time was 'lacking' from birth, even from the womb. So what can be done? Nothing according to Complementarianism. That is because an anointing of that powerful masculine being called the Holy Spirit, is just not sufficient. Even the Holy Spirit can not elevate even one Christian woman to the spiritually superior level of a Christian man.

A very astute observation.

Since a woman could be a pastor in the Old Covenant, a woman can be a pastor in the New Covenant. Simple really. I suggest my short and free essay on Deborah. Men and women are perfectly equal spiritually. She was a pastor, according to the scriptures. This is how the Judges are described in Chronicles, by God. In all places where I have walked with all Israel, have I spoken a word with any of the judges of Israel, whom I commanded to shepherd My people, saying, ‘Why have you not built Me a house of cedar?’ -excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verse 6 NASB translation A woman could only be given the authority by God to execute a man for his sin, if women are spiritually equal to men. A Judge could judge homicide cases according to Deuteronomy. Therefore Deborah, as a Judge, could execute a man for his sin. A Judge's verdict could not be altered or appealed. A Judge was cleared to teach from scripture as he/she gave a verdict, according to Deuteronomy. Since in Judges 4, men went to Deborah to be judged, a woman could teach men, even in the Old Covenant in a public setting. A Judge was REQUIRED in scripture to judge only the hardest of cases. If your beliefs can't explain all this, they must be false.

Eve's sin is irrelevant. God made Deborah a Judge. Nothing negative is written about her.

Something to add. If it is addressed to specific churches, then it would be addressed to churches where the women want to dominate the men. That being the case, if you have a church where the women are being assertive and keeping men down in the congregation I believe that would then apply. If indeed it is given to a specific set of churches it would apply to the feminist type churches where women do everything.

@@kennycouch4091 Kenny I post on these matters. Complementarianism is a false teaching. At its center it supports a two-tiered priesthood based on birthright. But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood... -excerpt 1 Peter 2 Reply for my full post 'Complementarianism' if desired. Men and women are perfectly equal spiritually. [I also suggest my short essay on Deborah.]

Then throw out every letter in the Bible that wasn’t written to your church. Hopefully you live in Rome or Corinth so you have something to hang your hat on.

I’ve seen many unsound churches lead by men. I really hope you’re not saying that the church is falling away because some are lead by women

Help me out here

if you check the Interlinear Bible, the word used “anēr” can mean a male, or a husband, or a future husband. and then there are other meanings. That’s why that particular version used “husband”.

The verse says: “I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man, but she is to remain silent.” (1Timothy 2:12)

@@sunnyjohnson992 according to Grace because it happens now.

Every scripture isn’t literal, there needs to be context.

How about intelligent human being. A lot of men aren't fit to lead a family or any other group, sure don't nurture life but history shows how they enjoy destroying it, and Jesus as well

Jesus approved of a woman to be a Judge over Israel in the Old Covenant, with the authority to judge homicide cases. To believe that Jesus would strongly disapprove of a woman being an elder in the New Covenant, makes no sense whatsoever. This is all Paul. He was very much a man of his time and his pride. Paul gave himself the title of 'father', since he couldn't meet the qualifications of elder that he himself put forward. The title of 'father' was expressly forbidden by Jesus. And do not call anyone on earth your father; for only One is your Father, He who is in heaven. -excerpt Matthew 23 -words of Jesus

@@user-iz8np3vv4i Thank you for writing. It is SO very sad how many people just do NOT know the Word of God by the Holy Spirit. Paul did not write his words, views or opinions, because the Holy Spirit wrote the Word by men inspired by his voice. 2 Peter 1:20-21. Paul was not a man of his time, nor was filled with Pride. Paul was a humble servant of God, an Elder in the faith, as Peter was, I Peter 5:1-4. Paul absolutely fulfilled all and even when Peter finished his last epistle in 2 Peter 3, preparing saints for judgment day, he mentioned Paul and shared ALL who are UNLEARNED and wrest with Paul's writings, meaning uneducated and ignorant, will be bring damnation to themselves. WOW. Your reasoning about Paul calling himself a "father", all the Apostles were spiritual fathers, I Cor. 4. We all have natural fathers and we call them such, so your statement makes no sense spiritually. What Jesus said in Mt.23, after rebuking RELIGIOUS men, the Pharisees to damnation, he told his disciples call NO MAN "father" on this earth, meaning in the ministry sense. Meaning NO believer is to ever call MEN like the Catholics call the Pope PAPA or father. You have ONE Father in heaven. The Bible says in Heb.13:7-9, that Jesus is the SAME yesterday, today and forever more. Jesus was the WORD made flesh, Jn.1:1-14. So nothing changes. In Judges, if you were talking about Deborah, PLEASE read your Word. Othniel was first appointed by God and then Ehud after Othniel died. Both appointed BY the Lord God. BUT, read ch.4, it says And Deborah judged Israel at that time. It does NOT say the Lord ordained her, appointed her, and she did a good work, BUT it was Barak God called and he refused and even Deborah addressed him for his lack of faith. In the Old Testament, there were NO women Elders, NO women overseeing the ministry of the Tabernacle. In the New Covenant by Jesus, he never chose ONE woman, never ordained ONE woman, NEVER appointed one woman into ministry. He chose 12 MEN to start. No woman ever wrote or penned a book in the Bible. In the Book of Acts, in all Epistles, NO woman was ever permitted to set ORDER IN THE KINGDOM authority of the Government of God. As THEN, so NOW. The Bible says what it does and means what is said. YOU are called to PROVE all things by scripture. SO find ONE woman in the Ascension gifts of Jesus. Be blessed and encouraged.

@@newcovenantworldoutreach-v3909 Since a woman could be a pastor in the Old Covenant, a woman can be a pastor in the New Covenant. Simple really. I suggest my short and free essay on Deborah. Men and women are perfectly equal spiritually. She was a pastor, according to the scriptures. This is how the Judges are described in Chronicles, by God. A woman could only be given the authority by God to execute a man for his sin, if women are spiritually equal to men. A Judge could judge homicide cases according to Deuteronomy. Therefore Deborah, as a Judge, could execute a man for his sin. A Judge was cleared to teach from scripture as he/she gave a verdict, according to Deuteronomy. Since in Judges 4, men went to Deborah to be judged, a woman could teach men, even in the Old Covenant in a public setting. This setting in Deborah's case was under a palm tree. She used to sit under the palm tree of Deborah between Ramah and Bethel in the hill country of Ephraim; and the sons of Israel went up to her for judgment. -excerpt Judges 4 Full read time: 12 minutes, free ____________________________________________________ Were Deborah AND Barak Judges? Was Barak a Judge? Was Deborah a Judge? And when the Lord raised up judges for them, the Lord was with the judge and saved them from the hand of their enemies all the days of the judge; for the Lord was moved to pity by their groaning because of those who tormented and oppressed them. -excerpt Judges 2 Now Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lappidoth, was judging Israel at that time. She used to sit under the palm tree of Deborah between Ramah and Bethel in the hill country of Ephraim; and the sons of Israel went up to her for judgment. -excerpt Judges 4 The peasantry came to an end, they came to an end in Israel, Until I, Deborah, arose, Until I arose, a mother in Israel. -excerpt Judges 5 Tola and Jair were also Judges. ..., rose up to save Israel... Now after Abimelech died, Tola the son of Puah, the son of Dodo, a man of Issachar, rose up to save Israel; and he lived in Shamir in the hill country of Ephraim. He judged Israel for twenty-three years. Then he died and was buried in Shamir. ...rose up and judged Israel... After him, Jair the Gileadite rose up and judged Israel for twenty-two years. And he had thirty sons who rode on thirty donkeys, and they had thirty cities in the land of Gilead that are called Havvoth-jair to this day. And Jair died and was buried in Kamon. -excerpt Judges 10 The same phrasing is used regarding Deborah, Tola and Jair. They were all Judges. Deborah: Until I, Deborah, arose, Until I arose... Tola: "...rose up..." Jair: "...rose up..." Barak is never referred to as a Judge. He was commander of the army. Deborah was the Judge over Israel at this time. She knew it, and so did Barak. Now she sent word and summoned Barak... -excerpt Judges 4 (above) Deborah summoning Barak. She gave the order for the battle to begin that Israel won. Then Deborah said to Barak, “Arise! For this is the day on which the Lord has handed Sisera over to you... -excerpt Judges 4 (above) Deborah ordering Barak. CONCLUSION Deborah was a Judge. Barak was not a Judge.

@@newcovenantworldoutreach-v3909 PAUL HIS FALSE, CONTRADICTORY, AND CONFUSING TEACHINGS (Revised December 2023 to include/add Part 13) INTRODUCTION Some believe Paul was a false apostle. The scriptures below are used as the beginning of their argument. Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, To the saints who are at Ephesus... -excerpt Ephesians 1 (the very beginning of the letter) “To the angel of the church in Ephesus write: The One who holds the seven stars in His right hand, the One who walks among the seven golden lampstands, says this: ‘I know your deeds and your labor and perseverance, and that you cannot tolerate evil people, and you have put those who call themselves apostles to the test, and they are not, and you found them to be false;... -excerpt Revelation 2 I don't believe Paul was a false apostle or a false teacher. But it's extremely close. This essay gives several examples of Paul teaching falsely. (This essay will not address Paul's possible questionable financial matters. That would go to his character, but are not teachings.) Part 10 PAUL REFERS TO HIMSELF AS A SPIRITUAL FATHER THE MOST SERIOUS FALSE TEACHING OF PAUL And do not call anyone on earth your father; for only One is your Father, He who is in heaven. -excerpt Matthew 23 -words of Jesus They love the best places at feasts, the best seats in the synagogues, greetings in the marketplaces, and to be called by men, ‘Rabbi, Rabbi.’ But you, do not be called ‘Rabbi’; for One is your Teacher, the Christ, and you are all brethren. -excerpt Matthew 23 -words of Jesus Jesus knew that if any man gave himself the title of 'father' that man would regard brothers and sisters in Christ as his children. That is what Paul did a number of times. Paul NEEDED this type of respect. It also shows he was either ignorant of this teaching of Jesus, or thought that since he was an apostle (something he mentions in most of his letters) he had the authority to set aside the words of Jesus. Paul states that he gave birth, in a spiritual way, to the Christians in Galatia. But it is good to be zealously affected always in a good thing, and not only when I am present with you. My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you, I desire to be present with you now, and to change my voice; for I stand in doubt of you. -excerpt Galatians 4 KJV -words of Paul Yet to all who received Him, He gave the power to become sons of God, to those who believed in His name, who were born not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. -excerpt John 1 MEV We see in John 1 (above) that we become sons and daughters of God, by God. Not any man. Not even by Paul. So when Paul writes: I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you... Paul is speaking a falsehood to the Galatians. Paul, again, below, regards himself as a father. He referred to himself as a parent loving his children. Behold, the third time I am ready to come to you; and I will not be burdensome to you: for I seek not yours but you: for the children ought not to lay up for the parents, but the parents for the children. And I will very gladly spend and be spent for you; though the more abundantly I love you, the less I be loved. -excerpt 2 Corinthians 12 I write not these things to shame you, but as my beloved sons I warn you. For though ye have ten thousand instructers in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel. Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me. For this cause have I sent unto you Timotheus, who is my beloved son, and faithful in the Lord, who shall bring you into remembrance of my ways which be in Christ, as I teach every where in every church. -excerpt 1 Corinthians 4 KJV -words of Paul Paul writes: For this reason I have sent to you Timothy, who is my beloved and faithful child in the Lord... Paul played no part in leading this man to Jesus. So, sort of strange from that perspective. The wording would indicate to anyone that Paul led this man to Jesus. Now Paul also came to Derbe and to Lystra. And a disciple was there, named Timothy, the son of a Jewish woman who was a believer,... -excerpt Acts 16 Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, according to the promise of life in Christ Jesus, To Timothy, my beloved son... -excerpt 2 Timothy 1 -words of Paul You therefore, my son, be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus. -excerpt 2 Timothy 2 -words of Paul to Timothy To Titus, mine own son after the common faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ our Saviour. -excerpt Titus 1 -words of Paul I appeal to you for my son Onesimus, whom I have begotten while in my chains, who once was unprofitable to you, but now is profitable to you and to me. -excerpt Philemon 1 -words of Paul A father in real life is over his children. There is no equality. The father must be respected according to scripture. “Honor your father and your mother... -excerpt Exodus 20 Listen, my son, to your father’s instruction, And do not ignore your mother’s teaching;... -excerpt Proverbs 1 Paul calls himself a 'father' in a spiritual sense. This goes against the teaching of Jesus. Also, since Paul calls himself a father, he conveniently bypasses the requirements of being an elder, which he states, partially, as a married man that has children. For this reason I left you in Crete, that you would set in order what remains and appoint elders in every city as I directed you, namely, if any man is beyond reproach, the husband of one wife, having children who believe, not accused of indecent behavior or rebellion. -excerpt Titus 1 -words of Paul As Paul says, he wasn't married: But I say to the unmarried and to widows that it is good for them if they remain even as I. -excerpt 1 Corinthians 7 Two requirements set by Paul to be an elder were to be a married man that had children. Paul could not meet these requirements so he gave himself the title of 'father'. A father being a man above churches and the elders in them. I robbed other churches by taking wages from them to serve you;... Apart from such external things, there is the daily pressure on me of concern for all the churches. -excerpts 2 Corinthians 11 -words of Paul Paul believed he had the authority to discipline as a father does. Do not withhold discipline from a child; Though you strike him with the rod, he will not die. -excerpt Proverbs 23 For if you were to have countless tutors in Christ, yet you would not have many fathers... But I will come to you soon, if the Lord wills, and I shall find out, not the words of those who are arrogant, but their power. For the kingdom of God is not in words, but in power. What do you desire? That I come to you with a rod, or with love and a spirit of gentleness? -excerpt 1 Corinthians 4 Paul believed his authority to discipline extended even to the ability to execute a man. Paul believed he could make this judgement from afar, as God could. ...for I indeed, as being absent as to the body, and present as to the spirit, have already judged, as being present, him who so wrought this thing:in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ -- ye being gathered together, also my spirit -- with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,to deliver up such a one to the Adversary for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus. -excerpt 1 Corinthians 5 YLT For I, on my part, though absent in body but present in spirit, have already judged him who has so committed this, as though I were present. In the name of our Lord Jesus, when you are assembled, and I with you in spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus, I have decided to turn such a person over to Satan for the destruction of his body, so that his spirit may be saved on the day of the Lord. -NASB version An example of real power is part of the story from Acts 5 below. Here we see God performing the execution with an apostle present. The apostle prophecies death, and death comes. In contrast to Paul ordering an execution from afar to be performed by men. Now an interval of about three hours elapsed, and his wife came in, not knowing what had happened. And Peter responded to her, “Tell me whether you sold the land for this price?” And she said, “Yes, for that price.” Then Peter said to her, “Why is it that you have agreed together to put the Spirit of the Lord to the test? Behold, the feet of those who have buried your husband are at the door, and they will carry you out as well.” And immediately she collapsed at his feet and died; and the young men came in and found her dead, and they carried her out and buried her beside her husband. And great fear came over the whole church, and over all who heard about these things. -excerpt Acts 5 NASB