You know when you walk up to an NPC over and over and they have a list of different phrases to say? “You’re stronger than you believe” “You keep doubting yourself Diana” “You have greater powers than you know” Yeah.
I cried when Wonder Woman teamed up with Charles Stiles to stop Aries from cheating at the Cheesys Grilled Cheese Challenge. Everyone broke down in tears, Emmy worthy scene.
I honestly think it’d be far better if Ares didn’t show up at the end, it’d just fit the themes better if she was simply wrong about Ares’ involvement and had to accept that at the end.
Absolutely agree, also the fight scene was boring as shit but I i dont think we should blame the director because it was probably the higher ups who decided that must happen
I agree they could have justified that guy's stupid magic pills by making him the final villain. He could have been like Bane and his overuse of the drug could kill him after Diana spares him in the end.
I was with this movie until the last 10 minutes. Whole thing built to the point that killing one guy won't stop the war and that real problems are more nuanced. Then the bad guy she had to kill shows up literally twirling his mustache.
I think having Ares show up could have been ok idea, if it was still 1916 or 1917, with the twist that it wasn't Ares who caused the WW I, but WW I that drawn Ares. This way his death doesn't end the war, but the movie still gets its climactic CGI battle.
Pretty much, yeah. There were some issues I had with it (like the beach fight, I felt that thing was terrible staged, it made the amazons look like idiots for giving up their position), but those were mostly minor flaws I could have accepted with they had pulled off the ending. I would put Wonder Woman on one level with Ironman 3, which is also a movie which mostly works for me until the last 20 minutes really mess everything up.
Idea: Wonder Woman storms the trenches and slays most of the Germans, but after she is done she looks upon the carnage. These are conscripts given guns, not warriors. Some can be bleeding out, other crying out for god or mother or whatever, and there's this one German holding his dying friend while he points a gun at WW. She doesn't do anything, she feels pity, sadness, and disgust for herself. Then the allied soldiers kill the remining Germans and even the wounded ones while Chris Pratt kills the one pointing a gun at WW. Thus she learns this isn't the glory of war she has experienced by brutal and cruel
Another idea: Wonder Woman finds that despite her best efforts she hasn't managed to quell mankind's warlike nature. However, she can provide a better example for the human race. Cut to the final scene: an older Steve Trevor fights alongside his men in World War II. Everything seems hopeless until an Angel-of-Mons-type figure appears to save the lives of his men. Eh? Eh?
Man this would be really cool since it could become so inspired by wartime literature like Night by Elie Wiesel or The Book Thief (these involve WW2 but still). It's a disappointment that they only acknowledge a theme but don't do something like you've done and try to flesh it out. The point of having characters and plot is to use it to really show what you are trying to say without explaining it blatantly, so the audience can really take it in and experience what you want them to know. Well done dude
Eren Jaegar I don't see why not. Family Guy does this shit all the time and people still find it funny somehow. (I'm kidding, that is the worst aspect of that show, even back in the good seasons)
Like dood, I LITERALLY had a waterfall of tears cuz it was so heartbreaking when a womyn appeared on screen like for realsies I’m just tearing up thinking about it. Yea what happened exactly? Oh look it’s the Amazon island wowww. What is there to cry about anywhere? From the same crowd that screams at the top of their lungs when there’s a minor twist in a thingy they’re watching. “OMGGG!!!” *Throws everything around room* is usually the procedure.
Ralph: "Towards the last 20 minutes or so I thought I was crying but then I checked and it was just my eyes bleeding" I cried in the theater while watching the movie honestly... Oh no, not because it was emotional it was because we finally got color in a dceu film.
I was sad when Steve died although I wish they change the ending and also the villain doctor poison motivations and maker a complex or the character like Magneto is to Charles Xavier
batman Inconsistency? In a DCEU movie? Dude it’s all good the film more than makes up for it by adding an incredibly hard to see, in the dark fight between Superman and Batman.
I feel like Patty Jenkins probably wanted the more simple ending because the film was clearly building up to the message about the gray morality of war. But I'm sure that Warner Bros was like "that's not big enough bad guy fight need to happen durrr"
Its a big problem with Hollywood in general. Lots of movies that have the main conflict being an emotional one between two close characters or the character trying to overcome their own flaws always stuff a big cliche villain in for the climax.
Germans probably thought that it was pretty unfair for Brits having the Wonder Woman on their side in the First World War, but nobody would listen if you told them you lost the war because a bulletproof woman smashed your lines and destroyed your super weapon project, so they just blamed Jews for the defeat and then they wanted to a rematch. And that's how Wonder Woman indirectly caused the Second World War and Holocaust.
Why is the character development of ralph and fake zack snyder in the middle of a wonder woman review so intensely compelling???? 10/10 would cry at wonder woman review again
Towards the last 20 minutes I thought I started crying but it was just my eyes bleeding Ralph are you trying to make dinosaurs go extinct because you're doing a good job that joke is killing me
slykiller534 I'm torn on it. It felt entertaining to watch and it had that Star Wars feel, but it made Kylo the main villain, which he wasn't ready for and it made Rey the biggest Mary Sue ever. She has zero training and she's supposed to be like the best Jedi ever. That makes no sense.
@@mattrogersftw It wasn't "at one point" - both sides did it pretty much right around the same time. The Germans technically held the first attack but it was a disaster that exposed their own lines to the chemical agent. The only bad folks in the war were the ones in charge, which is why so many empires wouldn't exist by the end of the war as their own people turned on them and created new countries in their place.
Boaz Sardjoe Ironically, the only guy who didn’t want to blame Germany for the war afterwards was the American President. It’s funny how things have gotten kinda switched around.
It would've been a way better plot twist, if Chris Pine would've been Ares, betraying her, it would've given great conflict in the Justive League, where she would have massive trust issues or something.
or they never use and waste ares in that film, and focus on making the human villains better. in that way they wouldnt waste 3 villains and the message wouldnt lost its value
I agree with Ralph's rant around the halfway point. I thought Wonder Woman would end with her skewering Ludendorff, realizing he isn't Ares/that Ares doesn't exist at all... Chris Pine would have his same speech about how the real evil behind the war is just in men, and then the movie would end on a sad note... Diana would go into hiding in London, learn that Steve and his squad got killed disposing of the nerve gas plane... It all weighs on her for years and years, but it emboldens her by the time Justice League comes around. Would've been more moving that way, I feel.
I think it's funny that this movie acts like germany was full of nazis even before WWII when the aftermath of WWI was what drove germany into fascism. Germany was originaly not even fighting the war for themselves, yet the germans are war hungry madmen who get manipulated by a war god in this movie. And speaking of Ares, that's some horrible casting.
France and England intentionally ruined Germany in the peace treaty after the war in an effort to cripple and potentially even destroy them. It all dates back to Holy Roman Empire politics, you know, important stuff schools totally don't know how to teach, or even bother discussing... But yeah that backfired horribly...
planescaped Eyup. I really don't get why this isn't as well known when World War 2 gets tought or at least mentioned in every major country. I'm happy I know about it, since I am german. World War 1 and 2 are both huge parts of our history that make up a huge part of our history lessons to ensure it's not forgotten. But I think being german should not be the requirement to know the full story. You would think at least the other involved countrys would spend comparable time teaching it.
General Ludendorff and Dr. Poison were the only major German players that were war-hungry madmen in the movie. There's a scene near the beginning of the second act where Ludendorff gases an entire room of German higher-ups that want to sign the Armistice and end the war because they've been crippled by it. One of Ludendorff's advisers mentions that going forward with the conflict won't work because all of their soldiers haven't eaten or slept, and I know that I'm saying this about German soldiers, I'm well aware, but they were just following orders. Yeah, I probably could have phrased that better.
Von and it's not like they had the option of not fighting. As a normal citizen, you either had the choice of dying on the battlefield as a supposed "hero" or in prison as a traitor.
Ludendorff was kind of a Nazi. Well, a fascist and a white supremacist. He was one of Hitler’s political rivals. Although I don’t like their portrayal of him as a crazy angry evil Nazi person. As a history buff, it really rubbed me the wrong way.
I think the Reason this Movie was so well received was because this is a) easily the best Superhero Movie with a female main Lead (Which is a pretty low bar to set) and b) probably the best DCEU Movie (also a a pretty low bar). It's like comparing rotten Food with Shit.
I agree. If you compare this to MCU movies, it would be a nice effort, but just okay. I found many of the fight scenes in Wonder Woman as disjointed as the fight scenes in all other DCEU movies. A lot of tight shots with few wide establishing shots and when they do cut wide, it never really lines up with the close shot. Continuity is bad. Characters are in poses or position impossible based on the close angle. I don’t know exactly, just don’t flow like MACU fight scenes. It’s easy to get lost and not know who is hitting who. When compared to other DCEU movies, this is a masterpiece. A good analogy, “compare rotten food to shit”.
So Wonder Woman is fast food, Man of Steel is expired food, Justice League is fecal matter. I'd say Suicide Squad was throw-up, and Dawn of Justice was a placenta left in the sun.
@sudha bhatt I cannot fathom how one can enjoy Wonder Woman more than Guardians 2. Guardians 2 has like a flawless script, every single character has a payoff or at least grows over time, it's got humor, it's got themes, it's got a stellar cast, and it makes you cry for the death of a blue guy that was a secondary antagonist in the last movie.
I feel like people are trying too hard to create 'good' female characters. Sure, getting more females into movies and other media is noble, but doing that at the cost of the character and writing only perpetuates the lack of interesting female characters.
Up is the character that was underdeveloped . this film was marketed to DEATh. of course it was never going to recoup the money the studios spent on it
Declan Nolan it is pretty sad. I wish there were more iconic female characters that are just characters, not Strong Female Characters™. Meaning, I wish people just wrote strong characters that are also female. But because it's forced it kills the intention
I fell out of my chair laughing when you showed they reused the same shot of her jumping into the bell tower for the last shot, and then the production budget.
xunknowedx Oh god that was laughably bad. I still think that the perfect way for this movie to end would be if they cut back to present day and it’s shown she was telling her story to Bruce Wayne.
Ben Blurganson which is good that she didn't say that. It just goes to show that the movie making aren't manhaters. By the way when I was walking into this movie I thought it was going to be some man hating feminist garbage but it was actually not. I was surprised
One thing I've always liked about Ralph's reviews is that even though he critically shreds movies apart, he understands why people can enjoy it and mentions that
Was anyone annoyed that she's fighting this battle against another supernatural being, with fire, explosions and yet she still looks flawless throughout the whole thing? No scrapes, smudged makeup, no grime, no nothing?! Look at the end of Frodo and Sam's journey in Return of The King, they did it right by showing the characters' appearance to be tattered, dirty, with tear streaks, chapped lips and shit, their faces reflecting the hardship they went through.
Spider Kid exactly my point! Those characters are shown as capable of being hurt despite their superhero nature. This Diana goes out in the middle of a World War I battlefield and squares up to a god and finishes it looking flawless.
That's what happens when you set peoples expectations that low. That's kinda what happened with Star Wars too, The new movies might not be amazing but at least they're not the prequels.
Everyone was talking about the No Mans Land scene like it was the second coming of Christ, but when I saw it...I was just like “oh....okay.” It wasn’t bad, but it wasn’t the best scene in the movie like everyone claimed it was. Edit: I also hated the plot twist because I REALLY wanted the plot twist to be that Ares wasn’t in this movie, and that people were just shitty. It seemed to undercut what could’ve been a pretty good message.
Ngl, but I kept thinking of those stock movie scenes that'd be in a movie when the characters are at the movie theater since the music was way over dramatic and the cliched dialogue and the whole bit especially with a big star like Chris Pine, and everything lol
What bugged me was that fact that Wonder Women never respected or reasoned with Chris Pine. Like Chris Pine says "don't go out there it will give away our cover." And she goes "No, I will do what's right." Then runs out. It was just annoying.
Ralph is the most underrated RU-vid channel, hands down. He’s funny, informative, and has an actual taste and talent for making/reviewing movies. I know what I’m going to get in a review, which is a honest breakdown of a film, but he admits that there are people who may feel otherwise for legitimate reasons. Other than that, great production quality, and funny skits. You deserve more subs!
At 300,000 subs? Nah. He's nowhere near the top of the chain for certain, but he's far from the bottom. I would call him underrated to some degree, but not "the most underrated".
My main problem with this movie was how much they disregarded the historical setting. I mean for fucks sake saying its set in world war one then having a poster of her holding a tank that wasn't entered into service until 1926 is pretty fucking egregious.
THE BRAIN SPECIALIST In addition: British and French troops were sitting in the same trench Chris Pine was flying an eindecker plane, IN 1918! Ludendorff, a real person, was for some reason an evil cunt (I mean, why Ludendorff and not von Hindenburg? It just seems like they randomly picked him out of a history textbook without doing any research, not to mention the fact that they should have probably just made up the villain) French borders on maps were entirely inaccurate for the period And many, many more...
Jurassicparkrules96 I expect people to do basic research, I'm not asking for Saving Private Ryan style accuracy, just basic things, like idk not having a tank that was entered into service 8 years after the war the movie is set in on the poster.
the WW1 aspect bothered me - it was a very messy war with no real bad guy and no good guy, it was just war. they had a chance to play this as a really interesting story having the Germans not be generic evil nazi's but they did -_x
I too feel like they just sed WW1 as a backdrop with a bare bones explanation as to why Dyana was there . Lieut. Luddendorff was just a prop. I can think of many scenes that need to be edited down to a few sec in favor of character development for the nazi characters. They made appear so one dimensional. it was terrible.
Mankind was the villain. Not Ludendorf, Doctor Poison Ares, or even the Germans. Yes. Even history would try to paint the Germans as the bad guys, but the British let their soldiers, and innocent people in Veld, die in order to preserve the armistice. I'm not talking history either. This is in the film. Wonder Woman tries to prevent this and can't. She learns that all men are capable of the worst atrocities, but they are also good. She participated in the bloodshed, and she refused to kill people again after she killed Ares. She witnessed a century of horrors and allowed it to continue, because she refused to add to it. This is the second darkest DC Film behind Batman v Superman.
Yea I felt the same with ralph also, how most of these soldiers were forced to go into war and how most of them were 18-20 year old men, but no, she kills them mercilessly
The Austrio-Hungarian Empire were the victims if anything. Not to mention that it was France and England's fucking of them so hard after WW1 that directly led to the rise of fascism in Germany and WW2. Then there's the Ottoman Empire being forcibly dismantled and it's borders redrawn to cause the most internal conflict possible in the middle east in a knowing and intentional effort to halt the rise of another Ayyubid/Abbasid/Fatmid/Ottoman Caliphate... yeah. Good Job Allies! Though I can't blame them too much for fucking over the Middle East so completely. Muslims being scary isn't a new thing...
I'm glad women feel properly represented by this movie, because as a German I feel fucking offended by this. Germany was NOT a Nazi state in WW1. Germans, just like EVERYONE ELSE IN EUROPE, were excited about the war initially and wanted it to be a glorious victory to parade in. But what everyone got out of this war was a miserable meatgrinder that killed thousands upon thousands of Soldiers who didn't even to be there.
Germany wasn’t portrayed as a Nazi state in the movie. The only German who was depicted as being evil was Ludendorff. The very end of the movie showed German soldiers hugging one another.
@@adama.7735 No. They are predicted as evil in this movie. Where are the allies war crimes in this movie? Where does it show the allies gassing a town full of German civilians?
Thank you so fucking much for putting this up. I've been attacked for weeks for saying the same thing and wondering why nobody else noticed it. People seem to think I should love this sub-par movie because I'm a woman and I should be empowered, and some of my female friends actually got legitimately angry and disappointed at me for disliking it. Which is pretty damn sexist in itself. I'm sorry that it takes more than just putting a woman in the lead to make me think a movie is great. Critically, its just not that good. Am I happy to see a leading lady? Yes. But is that going to make me ignore all of the obvious flaws in this film? Fuck no. Thanks again, Ralph. I've been waiting for someone to say it, and you've said it all extremely well. Sincerely, That One Bitch That Didn't Like Wonder Woman
Bella Rose Lewis thank you I feel same way about this movie An black movies just because there black or a women doesn’t mean I’m going to love the damn movie. An I don’t need ppl trying to pressure me into liking because I’m a woman or black . How silly is that .
Amen to that! That is completely ridiculous. People shouldn't be limited to only liking certain movies. We should just be allowed to like what we like. End of story.
I appreciate that she had charisma and seemed to be really trying giving the role 100% but I don't think she had the talent or expirience to pull off a lead role quite yet. It seemed her appearance fit the role much more than her acting skills did, which is pretty disappointing and ironic for a film that was meant to begin a movement for strong female roles in Hollywood.
Ok, I'm just gonna say that at least ONE soldier in that scene where she burst into that room and was surrounded would think to shoot her in the head. There was like five guys in there at point blank range, and she clearly had no helmet (weird tiara thing doesn't count because it covers nothing). She also waited about 10 seconds before moving, so yeah, they would have easily blasted her brains out.
if it was because she was a child they wouldn't say she can "never" know the truth, they'd say something about making sure she can have a real childhood, or to not burden or confuse her in her youth. Bad writing. Actually, fucking terrible writing. ACTUALLY should be illegal writing.
I would have had the twist be that there was no ares, and that the amazonians made it up because they didn’t want her to know that this world is very complicated.
Sputterbugz yeah it would've been great but instead we got two twist that were predictable. Wonder Woman being the weapon and that old mustache guy who is ares.
They didn't even experienced the moral complexity of the war. The Germans the she killed were just soldiers. Soldiers! Following orders. She didn't even try to save a single one of them. Just blasted them all. And not fucking single scratch comes on her for whole movie
Y'all seem to forget that WW2 happens after WW1. The world is still complicated because Ares was right. Ares was already dead at that point. A lot of people say that what Wonder Woman said at the beginning of Justice League doesn't make sense. Why would she leave humanity behind when the war already ended and Ares was dead? Because (surprise surprise) *WW2 happened* and it was more bloody and deadly that the previous one Not really completely defending the movie (especially her acting because she could be the next Tommy Wiseau) (except some parts that are actually good). Just want to clarify about this "plot hole" everyone keeps claiming and also how "pointless" Ares was in the film
I get the feeling that the Wonder Woman movie was originally supposed to take place in World War 2, but then somebody realized that it would make it TOO close to the first Captain America movie. The thing is that during WW1, there weren't any real political or ideological differences between the different sides. It would have been interesting to see Wonder Woman reacting to seeing the Allied forces using chemical weapons on the German soldiers, or to learn that the reason for the entire war that had killed hundreds of thousands was that this one guy got assassinated and he was married to this one woman whose family were the rulers of this other country. The soldiers in WW1 weren't really fighting for much of a cause other than the leaders of their countries were involved in some really complex alliances that were the result of intermarrying. So instead of trying to portray it in a more complex way, they just decided to make the Germans evil like they were Nazis and then also threw in impossibly advanced weapons because it worked well in Captain America.
Not only would that have been seen as spitting all over the source material, but it also would’ve meant that all the mystical elements of the film would’ve been left completely unexplained.
The “love” monologue at the end made me grown audibly in the theater. Having the one female superhero movies final message about how “love can only truly save the world” made me barf. Like every woman needs love to defeat anything. Also the end of the movie going against everything Chris Pine said at the end pissed me off I appreciate you pointing that out.
Gotta love how the movie totally discards and then goes against it's entire message and theme right at the climax. -__- If not for that sheer fucking atrocity of writing, I'd have actually been able to overlook all the other flaws.
5:31 -- actually, the costumes were not fantastic at all, especially from a historical standpoint. Not only were they bad, sometimes *they used stuff from World War II* , even though the movie takes place during the first world war. There's a lot more I could say (about the costumes and about many other things), but it'd be way too easy to get carried away. To summarize: I'm a wamen but me no likey.
One of the biggest costume inaccuracies is the fact that the British Soldier's don't have their "emblems" on their trench caps. Some also wear the webbing on their bags wrong. I could maybe find some more but my eye isn't very good for this type of stuff.
@@garfd Yeah, I don't know details in regards to uniforms off the top of my head, but because it just didn't look right I looked it up, and they definitely screwed up. Or maybe I shouldn't say "screwed up" if they didn't even try, lol. Another costume thing is the turtleneck worn by the male lead. A roll neck style like that was like, 1950's or later I'd say. And even normal turtlenecks only just started to become popular in the late 1920's, like a decade after wwi. Also, that whole montage of her trying on different stuff... unless the store was a specialized place that sold old garments for some reason (and ones from the future), she just wouldn't have tried on most -- if not any -- of the stuff.
There's this frat video by Nando v Movies called "Disarming Ares" that I advise everyone disappointed with the use of Ares in this film go check out. It's essentially trying to sell the viewers on a rewrite of his entire role in the film, and what is offered sounds infinitely more intriguing and satisfying than what we got.
I’m honestly so glad someone agrees with me? I left the cinema /so/ disappointed, and I was honestly confused to how it gained so many positive reviews. As a girl, I wanted a strong female character to look to, and as a movie lover, I wanted a good film, and I didn’t get either. As you said, she’s flawless- which makes her difficult to relate to. Personally, I’d prefer someone who has flaws, and isn’t perfect, so I’m not looking up to something plastic. Secondly, as you said, I instantly noticed there was little to no development, or story arc. I compared the movie to Iron Man, where Tony isn’t Iron Man at the start- far from it, he has to /earn/ his title, through hardship. Wonder Woman was very much; “oh wow! I have special bracelets” “oh wow! I can wield swords and shields” “oh wow! I can walk across no man’s land”. She didn’t earn her power or title, it was given to her when she didn’t deserve it. Lastly, it was just .. boring. I wanted to leave the cinema at multiple points during the film. I could forgive some of its mistakes if I was entertained, but I wasn’t. (Also, don’t get me started on the ending. I was hoping, so badly, that at least it would follow through with it’s message of her naivety, and that killing one man wouldn’t end the war. I was going to forgive it - and it completely screwed me over). Before anyone gets mad at me, I tried to like this film, I really did. I can easily see the appeal to young girls, and casual fans, but there are so many flaws that I find it difficult to overlook them. If you enjoy this film, good for you! I don’t shame you at all, you have every right to like it.
Trick Fewell because of progressive bias in Hollywood. They wanted this movie to do well because it helps feminism or some shit apparently.
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She is a greek demi godess of course she's going to be over powered... She was very naive, isnt that an interesting flaw that you can work and create discussion with the other characters with?
@Trick, Wonder Woman does get development in the movie. There's her struggle to help people, while keeping a balance in doing what's right, but not turning to the dark side like Aeres.
After the general was proven not be Ares I thought that it would turn out that Ares didn't even exist, like idk maybe he died or was never real in the first place and Diana had to actually learn something from it. Still think that would be better.
Because it would trip up the character's understanding of reality if a person that was supposed to be a scapegoats for men's foibles didn't exist. She would actually have to accept that fact. An alternative would be that Aries does exist but was never involved and the movie hinted that he was doing something else or nothing at all.
If they wanted to be real ballsy, they should've made Steve Ares, I mean yeah, it isn't comic accurate, but it'll probably be better than professor Lupin
@@dignerds lmao miss me with that wonder woman pic and that's the point guess what people have different tastes than you and I for one quite enjoy Ralph and he has the right to be "pretensious" because he is a movie maker as his name suggests and they are great so he has perspective on movies none of us do and I wasn't even taking about Ralph I was replying to the comment above my first one
@@PanzerPlant Well...one of the MANY things this piece of shit RU-vidr got wrong is "Fighting a woman".....Diana wasn't fighting a woman ...she was fighting Ares....
I saw this at a drive-in with my estranged father and was fucking bored the whole time but couldn't put my finger on why. I immediately went home and told my sister "i can't wait till Ralph comes out with a video on this movie"
Gamora is a good example. She's badass and it does not need to be shoved in your face every five seconds that she's a woman. There are amazing female characters that are good because of the character not their gender. I feel like this movie was advertised entirely on the fact that she's a woman.
A bit late to the party but, yes, what you said about posing prevented me from watching this. Even in trailers, i couldn't stomach it. Literally everything I've seen suffered from being shot in a way that would be cringe-inducing even for a parody of a hero movie. It's so forced and overly expressive that it made me uncomfortable. I wouldn't be surprised if there are scenes in the movie where Gal Gadot orders food in McDonald's in some theatrically epic fashion. Have you guys watched Bedazzled? You know the Sunset scene? Well, somehow, Wonder woman goes beyond that and not only that, it goes beyond that in every shot.
