WORKER RECORDS BEING FIRED - "Poor Performance" 

HR is not your friend. they only care about keeping the organization from being in legal trouble. if they help you, it is to make sure you don't take it out on the company.

She said it herself and gave HR the out they would need anyway. "I didn't close any deals". "Well Brittney, the other new hires did, so bye"

My favorite question every time anyone makes any claim in any context is "prove it?"

​@@blackjackjesterwhich is a bullshit reason for someone who was just working at the company for 3 months, during which period she had her onboarding and 2 major holidays. It's also not a metric that was ever communicated to her, she wasn't given an opportunity to explain her performance, and she wasn't given an opportunity to improve her performance. How that corporate boot taste?

The problem is most companies can't quantify what is good performance. That's why sometimes the only thing you can do is to appear to be a good employee but not try to "be a good employee".

It could be that some were bitter they didn't have the courage to do what she did but others can make the argument that since she posted this online not only would this follow her but future employers may not want to hire her because she could be a liability to the company. This is especially more dangerous if you're in a niche industry because everyone knows everyone and one hair out of line could be the end of your career.

@@secretpeace-wp6xg It's PRECISELY because they are worthless people that don't have courage. The weak hate that the strong make them look bad.

There's a lot of boot lickers more often than not

It sounded like she was talking to robots.

This happened to my friends husband who was hired as a chef at a restaurant last December. The following month he was let go because they didn't have the budget for his position.

Indeed, so gross.

typical narcissistic behaviour

Brother this is literally what progressive HR departments preach, and it's the same language you're 'supposed' to use with children.

Dude …. You guys are the same people that say work ISNT family. What the hell do you expect? Its a job. Leave the feefees at the fucking door.

I thought I was the only one. Like stfu. Quit violating me

That is right...Probably they spent 2 or 3 millions hiring a layoff specialist or consulting firm when they could have give people this answer and give a nice severance payment.

@@yomismo6969 That's why they didn't do it. They didn't want to pay severance. And they're trying to get out of paying unemployment, too, by making it look like "poor performance."

@@Venjamin RE unemployment-in the state I live in, that can be challenged with a decent attorney, short of voluntarily resigning or committing a crime on the job, you get unemployment. My employer has laid off several people here, in each case they tried to deny unemployment to each person they cut, they lost, the workers won.

@@goofyradiodude Right. Laying off isn't firing. That's what they're trying to do here.

Definitely this. Just tell them the truth rather than dancing around the subject and not being forthcoming about it. Just be honest!

And never have a clue what even is going on, you don't understand any of the jobs and requirements you are hiring or firing someone for yet you have to still pretend like you do. I guess the only real requirement for working in HR is to be able to talk a ton of bs and not care about what everyone thinks about you.

And 99.99999% of them are women. Just saying.

@@SECURITEH❤😂

My grandpa was HR. He ran his family the same way.

hr is like being a professional piece of tihs (read backwards)

You mean word vomit... In 2023 165,000 tech workers were laid off in the US meanwhile there are 584,000 H1B foreign worker visa holders in the US. Let that sink in. Politicians have been selling the jobs of tech workers to Indians and other H1B workers for over a generation now.

Yeah it actually sounds like a parody where they make fun of how HR speaks.

This real world firing by anonymous HR reps is basically a copy of the movie "Up in the Air".

He said you haven't met cloudflare expectations... the subtitle says unclear.

They're (the HR people) just puppets for the owner class capitalist unelected minority elite

I keep doing the same mistake. Guys, don't be like me!

Well, I work freelance for commission. So far only for individuals. I feel very loyal to them. But maybe I should consider them customers, not employers, huh?

Yep. It's a transaction. I provide labor, you provide money. Nothing more, nothing less.

Never have, never will. Not one of them has ever been able to justify why the ones doing most of the work get the least money out of it. Until they do, they'll have to be happy with what I deign give them.

loyalty ? what's that ?!

LOL no kidding right!?

When you interview for a job, assess what problems or events may be there that could pose 🚩 or labor issues, disputes later. A QSR counter job for $12.50/hour or a $46000/yr salary office 🏢 career job. Be realistic & know what you are going to get into. I was fired, 12/2023 private security. I KNEW the contract firm had a bad reputation, was poorly run. It had 60% - reviews 🗣 Indeed. The patrol 🚓 vehicles were trash & the officers were inept, unreliable.

Cloudflare? More like Flame-out, amirite

There's a reason why it's nickname is crimeflare

Don't work in corporate America then...this is the status quo. Corporations don't owe you anything, you don't owe them anything.

fired because Wilful, intentional poor performance, negligence equals misconduct. You will be denied benefits for that. But not for probationary period poor performance or not a good fit, inability.

Yep, this is what is needed.

Yes, what disgusting losers. So pathetic. Lol. She'll end up somewhere better.

One time when I was laid off they did make my boss attend and they sat there on screen trying not to cry and saying nothing. Any time one of the people fired tried to talk to her they got cut off, she wasn't allowed to speak, she was just there as a sort of muscle behind HR's words.

100% this. Something I've ALWAYS noticed in layoffs is that these companies that are sooooooo strapped for cash sudden give their CEOs a raise almost equal to the salaries of those laid off. Hhhhhmmmmmmmm what a strange coincidence eh?

This is why I tell people to never be more loyal to a company than they are to themselves, because at the end of the day, you’re replaceable to every company, but you’re irreplaceable to your family and friends.

Not even the exec, investors, board members and share holders wanted even more money and thus decided to let people go for no reason.

that's true

Omg the irony is so metal with this comment 🤣

They could use Ultron and it would be more compassionate.

AI: "Fire this person. He doesn't do any work..." Human Superintendent: No! I won't fire brother of my wife! AI: "Acknowledged... Promote this person, they clearly have competence to supervise others worker job." Human Superintendent: Hell no. I already have this position reserved for my wife's brother...

You're actually not wrong.

"loyal" being very loose. They're walking talking script-people. Real people would tell the truth: they're downsizing and they've cropped out their employee groups.

If it's really on the side of company, they would knew that absence of clear amount of work and performance quota metrics is poor for productivity and company. They are just doing the script they told with no care for company or employees. They on 90% can be replaced by advanced statistics AI software which will do the job better and when that happens and HRs get booted, don't be sorry for them.

@@233lynx More like a basic py script.

@@233lynxyeah but it’s not quite the same being gaslit by a computer. I want an arrogant snake who has never contributed to the company’s profit to tell me I’m not productive enough

@@rickclark7076 Well, you might be surprised, but company owners actually doesn't want that. All they want is productivity without BS. That is why HR software development is well underway.

What's she got to lose?

I totally agree. She will definitly be a good sales person 😂

I agree. She will definitely be a good sales person 😂

Too bad she didn’t have that while she was working. Ive seen to many young adults also like this host. 😂😂😂😂 what a joke

​@the_truth21 bro you know absolutely nothing about her. Sounds like she did a phenomenal job when she was working based on all the feedback she received from her manager and her metrics at the time. Sounds like you are just jealous of her courage and confidence to speak her mind. Something I guarantee you 90% of people in this situation would not have the guts to do. Keep coping man.

They were there to fire her not answer questions

That's not HR's responsibility. She *ought* to be having his conversation with her boss or bosses, formerly or not. No doubt she does not have access to *those* people(s). Thus she inflicts this upon the HR personnel - the messenger(s).

@@TheMaleRei HR represent the company shes totally justified in questioning them. They know before anyone else who and why people are being let go

@@Pappagar Heh. Management - "HR, we're firing people... The official reason is XYZ." HR - "Got it." Fired Employee - "Why was I fired?" HR - "XYZ." Fired Employee - "We made record profits!!! Don't tell me it's XYZ!" HR - "LULZ."

@@TheMaleRei If you don't see a problem with HR being useless messengers who just lie from a script, then idk what to say to you. If they just told her the truth, there would be no issue here.

I think the IT joke/threat I heard about is replacing people with "a very short script".

That'll probably get you rehired and given a raise. The suits may be soulless, but even they have a sense of humour, perhaps. I don't know since I've never actually had the misfortune of meeting one.

You gonna stay working at a company that pulled this? It's a one way street.

AI bot ? A simple tape recorder would do. Or maybe VLC with a randomized playlist of word salad.

She girl bossed to close to the sun and now she won't be able to pay to loan she took out. That why she raging.

She's also not showing their faces either so you won't know who they are.

These corporate bots are defending their companies. Probably shills or actual bots

She's also a remote worker in Georgia I believe which is a single consent state. Anyone who's in the conversation can consent to recording the conversation without the other party's consent … Its perfectly legal what she did!

Also some states are one party states. In those states, you only need the consent of one person in the conversation to record. She's in the conversation and she obviously consents.

Haha I would have kept calling in sick rescheduling the calls then canceling last minute. See how long that can go on.

They're important to send out bad news without the upper management getting their entitled hands dirty. Scumbags.

I wouldnt say "useless" I've worked for companies with out one. Had a lot of other issues as well. The problem with HR is their very abstract from anything happening.

They're supposed to protect the company from lawsuits but they usually can't do that whatsoever so . . . yeah literally useless. My own HR are completely useless, miss meetings on a daily basis, don't show up for their scheduled in person meetings, etc. They're off the walls corrupt, I'm surprised they haven't been sued for time stealing at this point because nobody can contact them and they never show up so I can't imagine they're actually getting anything done.

HR should be managed by the state. Monitored on a public file. Stop this BS department.

Idiotic statement. HR people handle new hire paperwork. They process raises, promotions, and org chart changes. Without HR no personnal changes ever occur. Nobody ever transfers or gets promoted or gets a raise. Oh, you think managers can handle all that? Managers can't even complete employee timesheets half the time.

They always change the expectation.

It's mind boggling how many people will participate in this 💩 without considering they might be next.

That's why employees should never offer 2 weeks notices.

@@sterlynstevo agreed. I've seen people have the courtesy to give notice, and the boss tells them to go ahead and go now. There is no mutual respect.

@@sterlynstevo I rarely do. I’ll do it if I like the workplace but just need to be moving on. But for a bad workplace, no way. I don’t exactly take a deuce on my desk, but I will up and leave (I especially love to do that at a really bad time for the company if I hate them enough).

​@@theresagomez2605 Speaking as someone who sits in middle management...oh we know. We're usually the first in line to the firing squad.

Sounds like a wrongful termination lawsuit to me

I was in the exact situation myself. “Failure to problem solve” “What problems did I not solve?” “We are not at liberty to discuss this”

I hope you were able to find a new job! Did you apply for unemployment benefits? If so, did you have to explain a reason and was it approved?

@@PandaG007 Yes to all of that lmao.

Hope you claimed unemployment then. If they want to say you were fired for cause, they can explain exactly what that means to an administrative law judge.

I know a situation when a person was let go for “low performance” despite all positive feedback from the management across multiple departments/projects the entire year and with absolutely 0 prior warnings. In the end the “employee separation and release “ was sent where there’s no any explanation - just an agreement between a company and employee which confirms a separation… I’m wondering if it’s a legit reason for unemployment in this case…

I met goals and exceeded expectations while literally dying of life threatening health problems. Still let go while an incompetent, manipulative brown noser was promoted to "Head of Mobile".

Exactly, most are smart enough to realize that, but apparently CloudFlare wasn’t. When I got laid off from my company last year, they offered severance, not because they wanted to but because they were desperately trying to keep up appearances with their clients and not look like a sinking ship. It’s hush money, and it often works.

Yep, when they pay out a severance they usually make you sign a severance agreement in order to get the money. Severance agreements usually contain a non-disparagement clause. You cheap out on the severance, and you can't buy people's silence. That's how they get bad PR like this. The good news for this girl is she can now claim unemployment. The company may try to counter, saying it was performance based, but then she can appeal. They company WILL then have to prove she was fired for cause to an administrative law judge - the HR word vomit won't work there. In all actuality she'll be able to receive unemployment compensation.

Even if no severance… if they fake that is fired for cause then then the fired employee also can’t get unemployment. It’s quite cruel. But I hope You're right.

Next time Cloudflare is hiring, it will be that little bit harder for them.

@@jgood005fun fact, the National Labor Relations Board ruled last year that non-disparagement clauses as part of severance agreements is an unfair labor practice.

Exactly

Exactly

She's recording herself. It's performative. But it does show she can *act* - which is essential for a perfect salesperson.

But she obviously can't close.

Yup, especially if she has metrics that are showing otherwise. Stop lying about it and just be honest.

She had only been there a few months so severance not likely an issue. She was in sales and hadn't sold, and that's the only metric that really matters in the longer term. From what she said it sounds like her manager may not have set expectations and given feedback clearly - I don't know about this case but in general that's fairly common among junior managers (in particular) who want to be positive about everything and to be everyone's friend. Though sometimes people just don't absorb negative feedback when they do get it.

​@AlexSwanson-rw7cv Normally sales positions don't expect you to make your first sale before 5-6 months though. Making a sale in your first 3-4 months is a really good performance. Most usually do it in 6-7.

@@AlexSwanson-rw7cv Yea, I dont mind that she posted the video. But I also dont think the company was wrong in firing her. In my experience most people are not cut out to be sales people and will always underperform. Its better to identify those people early and avoid wasting everyone's time.

@@chuckwood3426 man with her being that direct she sounds like she would do well in sales to me, especially under the pressure of being fired.

Yeah, that right there is a red flag should this ever see a courtroom. You haven't spoken to the manager and yet, you can definitively, without question, say she isn't meeting her performance goals? Then how do you know? Are you spying on employees and have all the data? But wait - in that case, you should have the metrics she isn't meeting without having to talk to someone else!

That's not their job. How could an HR person know what conversations she had with her manager?

​@@magsteel9891 normally, there are _many_ convos with HR before terminations to establish a record of poor performance and implemting an improvement plan. This is so the fired employee can't come back and sue for wrongfull termination. The fact that two HR drones are doing widespread firings and can't cite any reasons means that this is coming from the top and not her manager or possibly even her department.

@@magsteel9891 if the conversation was about her performance then yes it matters and they would be fully aware if they know how to do their jobs that is. If you are going to terminate someone you best have talked to the manager and spoke about employee performance or you are not firi9ng them for performance based reasons. Simple logic here folks.

Comrade, the enemy of the people is burguose. Do not trust these scumbags because they can't live without people working on them, but people who work can live without them pretty easily.There are parasitic organisms that affect nervous system of the host like ant zombie virus or some humans gelmints. What is the difference between parasites and all of these companies. Good parasite or bad parasite altitude ?? MAYBE no parasites at all?

100%. They do this, then in the same breath complain about staff showing no loyalty to them anymore.

@@carsella11 or better yet ask you how can we help you. But if you address the issue lack of staffing or management managing right you're in wrong.

Used to think it was me, and nearly worked myself to death trying to meet expectations that were somehow magically always out of reach. Then one day a manager said to me, I have to be honest with you, this is a thankless job, and even if you meet all those extra KPIs, you still won't get anything more than meets expectations. And that was me stating my intention to meet all of the next level. They will never reward you. Never. They will milk you until you give your last drop of blood then when you collapse, fire you 'for your own good'. I hope Gen Z maintains this fire of rage they have for this treatement because once you're trapped and financially dependent with no parents to fall back on, you have no defences against exploitation.

@ArronBushnell-rn4xz agreed

PS: I wouldn't even waste my breath with those losers it's not worth my time. I'd say goodbye and disconnect from them.

​@@althunder4269 There may be good reasons why she is doing this. It may be in her legal interests (and possibly her financial interests) to do so! They may be seeking a way to avoid paying her severance pay based on the b/s reason of "poor performance". If she can obtain admissions and proof this is not the case, she can claim her entitlements, but if she says nothing and accepts it, she may walk away with nothing. It is evident from this conversation that there are no actual "performance metrics" of the kind they claim exist to prove poor performance, and indeed it is b/s.

What lawsuit would not be thrown out of court? Honest question. For what it's worth, the reports indicate that she received multiple offers of employment within a few short weeks after she posted the original recording.

The US doesn't hold employers accountable for anything 😂

The way she was fired is the only way business can fire people and be shielded from liability. It's what happens when the only people pushing for labor reform do so in a way that doesn't actually help

It depends on employment laws in that state. In certain states they're actually aloud to fire you for no reason. Unless you specifically get fired for having a disability which I was able to get a settlement for when I was fired.

Let's be honest. Companies know that they have to hire many junior sales execs to have one exec who can actually sell something. They have to over hire constantly as they have to fire most of the new execs for the lack of sales. I have talked lately with my old colleagues and bosses. Companies are now trying to avoid these graduates and hire more experienced sales people who have some kind of evidence that they can sell something. It's easier to pay extra for experienced people than play games with these gen Z graduates, who don't even know what it means to work. There is no participation trophies in business. That could be a big surprise for the young people, who have their cupboards full of participation trophies from their early lives. She had five months and didn't close any sales. How they fired her was s*it show but the reason is pretty clear. Great meetings and a lot of activity is nice, but only sales will count as a performance. I have been in sales for a long time. These big companies are sales "factories". If you can't sell instantly, you are out. They will not wait a long time for results. There is always a huge pool of new candidates, who want these positions.

Don't worry once you get the new position and give them notice they will magically have an offer for you. A lot of companies are dumb/suck.

My daughter was in that situation for like a year and a half. She finally got an offer for a newly invented position. Her pay was cut a little bit since she was on salary with taxes taken out and eligible for benefits. Hopefully, it works out. I don't want her learning to be loyal to, or dependent upon, some 💩 company.

Like one person said, they will make you an offer when you're ready to leave. DO NOT take that offer, tell them no thanks and move on. They are stringing you along and will keep doing so.

If healthcare is not an issue stay a contractor or demand more money the next time around.

@Johnny-Utah-91 well im not getting the same pay as the full-time workers, even though i do the same amount of work.

I'm British so don't understand this about unemployment benefits in USA. Over here we basically get benefits from the govt not the employer

@@keithparker1346 In the U.S., each state administers its own unemployment insurance program. Most of the funds come from payroll taxes paid by employers. If you voluntarily quit or if you are fired for cause, you are not eligible for benefits.

@@amicaaranearum thanks for your reply. USA is terrible for employment rights compared to Britain and we have poor rights here compared with mainland Europe

She's too emotional 😔 She didn't make the sales deadline.

Yeah sure, then the 'Union rep' can bilk us for 'dues' instead. 🙄 NO means NO collectivist.

That's why the day I decided I was done I quit that day. Wasn't going to use then as a reference anyway so no point in putting in 2 weeks.

Not all positions are entitled to severance pay. I was laid off in 2020 and received no severance. That's at the companies discretion and employers aren't obligated to offer it. It's usually for high level employees, not lower level ones, from my experience.

@Cerez78 I know, however if they have an established severance procedure already, they can't break that policy, so they often fund loopholes, like firing people "for cause" like not meeting metrics instead of laying them off. If they didn't have a severence policy, then they are not obligated to have one, but if they did, they would have to follow it. I work in quality management systems & compliance.. so I am always looking at procedures my employer has, including HR policies. My employer does have one, and there is provisions of what qualifies for severance and what doesn't. Being fired for cause disqualifies an employee from any severance. Workforce reduction and resignation due to your position relocation does qualify. That is why I speculate they were trying to get around their policy

I mean....yes? Who else is going to do it?

The fking boss! GET SOME BALLS!

I sort of feel bad for them. If they are smart they are probably planning their own exit. I understand the criticism of the CEO/senior management, but these HR people are working simps like Brittany was and have been put in an awful position. We know HR is supposed to protect the company and to be cautious before coming to them with any complaint. Protecting the company sometimes means doing some awful things. This is why I could never be in HR

I think they know that it’s just a mass layoff because they “overhired,” but they don’t want to admit that, because it makes management seem incompetent.

I agree. But that's not what 'simp' means.

Invariably people are paid in arrears so they will be owing you money. Companies can and do have a habit of messing you around so it's not quite so clear cut

@@keithparker1346Also people pay require references from their former employer especially if they’ve been there a while.

Ignorant advice

tbh some bosses really think that. Some bosses expect you to work overtime with still 100% for little to no extra pay. Your current salary in most cases doesn't match your responsibilities for X reasons. Threaten a smart boss to leave and he will increase your pay, threaten a dumb boss to leave and he will say okay and few days later everything will go to hell

legal action is the only way to get justice and that...takes money....almost like justice doesn't exist since it needs to be purchased.

@@Daytruin Straight facts... gotta pay for justice

The claims are baseless because they weren't documented and the supervisor never addressed any performance issues with her. Anyone with performance issues would have records in their file leading up to the termination to support it.

My buddy got let go from capital one out the blue last fall too. Zero remorse. They don’t care at all.

Assholes at Thumbtack did the same shit. They spent MILLIONS on these bullshit retreats/team building events then had the audacity to lay off saying the people were expensive compared to their projections. No, fuckers, you spent stupid amounts of money on dumb shit while on the high from expanding so much and made those people that got you there suffer from your shit spending habits.

did you get terminated after telling your manager that? If not, how did you manage that?

Hells Fargo pulls gaslighting b.s. like this all the time. It is the worst of the major banks to work for by far.

You shouldn't have said anything to your manager at all about how you feel insecure there. You should have strummed along until you got another job and laid it out bare when the time came. Once you unveil any thoughts to anyone, a coworker or manager, they can send that info right up the chain of command. Watch what you say.

Can she sue?

Doesnt exist

27 out of 50 states are "right to work" states, so there are a lot of Americans that don't have any wrongful termination protection.

Did you take any legal recourse?

Same thing happened to me. Got a raise same day I got a PIP. 30 days later terminated on the pip that had no measurable goals.

Yes, they made a case against you.

You can still get unemployment.. Unemployment Doesn’t come directly from the company.. Sonif you took unemployment payments, that company isn’t paying “extra” Unemployment for the employer is a giant slush fund they pay into.. You can still claim it. They would have to specifically deny you and most don’t

I don’t get it, it seems as if I come across a lot of companies that are begging for salespeople

@@Labyrinth6000 Half a salesman's performance, the salesman has no control over. The salesman has no control over how many customers agree to accept an offer, so an employer can use close rates to their advantage to judge a salesman's performance unfairly.

What is that other youtuber???

​@@airgin3000 A Life After Layoff channel

@@airgin3000 A Life After Layoff.

Get outta my head, that's exactly what happened to me! Bout to go back to blue-collar work in about a week, feels good man

He wasn't critical her. He sympathize with her.

@@uganda8956 He did sympathize with her but he didn't think her posting this online was a good look.

@@Canoby soe.times we the public need to see this to remind us how shitty companies and hr are. I think we need to know so that we can remind ourselves that we should always look out for us first and eff corporations.

@@uganda8956 Based take.

​@@CanobyBryan is an HR recruiter. I wouldn't trust him.

Hey! Don't try to make sense here! Especially flipping the script on management! How dare you?! /s

It’s so normal. I wish we had protection like the EUROPEANS!

Join the club. Most times affinity bias and office politics is a big decider on who they allow to stay. Here's the big question: Can she sue?🤔🤔🤔🤔

@@mangodiet801 sadly no she can not.

She could have gotten unemployment. They refused to say anything substantial to prevent that.

Check out the WARN Act, there's a time component to this. You can lay people off for no reason, what you can't do (if you have enough people) is decide tomorrow you're going to lay people off for no reason.

@@sterlynstevo see now that's bullshit. She should be able to get unemployment. If that was their intention then they are just evil because they have to pay for unemployment like an insurance policy. I'm not totally sure of the ins and outs, but I worked for a guy that did seasonal work and he told me to claim unemployment because he had to pay no matter what.

@@kittydaddy2023 It is bullshit, but that's how FT corporate/white collar jobs like this are. If it involves a W2, they will screw with your termination as much as possible to avoid having to pay anything out in the event they want to let you go.

Most "at will" states still have rules. They aren't lawless and workers do have rights. Like a lot of people are saying, they don't want her to get unemployment (which is paid by the firing company) or severance. This video is proof that they are lying aka sue their ass!

Never has been any.

lol no.....That's code for "I'm definitely not going to call you back after".

No, its called Saving Face which is basically a human condition where people lie to avoid confrontation (i.e. escalate confrontation) to tell people what they want to hear to get rid of them in a positive manor with no intention of follow-up.

It's all bullshit anyway, so I hope they get sued.

That’s the truth. These calls are recorded. She wanted to call her on the side and give her the real.